Taliban reclaims Afghanistan

[Typical Lax Dad]

Who dat?

I wonder why we bother to sign deals...

white man speak with fork-ed tongue?

[MDlaxfan76]

Anyway, the firing has ceased.

No it has not.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci ... 021-09-04/

yeah, you shoot up in the air and the bullets eventually come down...

Thanks for admitting you are okay with innocent people dying. Just ask the USNA Plebe's Mom....oops.

huh? I'm "okay" with something?
where do you get that notion?

[youthathletics]

Anyway, the firing has ceased.

No it has not.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci ... 021-09-04/

yeah, you shoot up in the air and the bullets eventually come down...

Thanks for admitting you are okay with innocent people dying. Just ask the USNA Plebe's Mom....oops.

huh? I'm "okay" with something?
where do you get that notion?

Your downplaying of gunfire killing innocent people.

[cradleandshoot]

https://news.yahoo.com/blumenthal-furio ... 00285.html

Blumenthal... that conservative piece of scum...

[cradleandshoot]

https://news.yahoo.com/blumenthal-furio ... 00285.html

Blumenthal... that conservative piece of scum...

Somehow this has to be trumps fault...

[MDlaxfan76]

Anyway, the firing has ceased.

No it has not.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci ... 021-09-04/

yeah, you shoot up in the air and the bullets eventually come down...

Thanks for admitting you are okay with innocent people dying. Just ask the USNA Plebe's Mom....oops.

huh? I'm "okay" with something?
where do you get that notion?

Your downplaying of gunfire killing innocent people.

I downplayed it????

The article says it was celebratory firing of weapons into the air...people killed...stupidly, not on purpose...Taliban says knock it off, it's dangerous...

But certainly not Taliban shooting at Americans or Americans shooting at Taliban, which was the original point. That shooting has stopped.

[MDlaxfan76]

https://news.yahoo.com/blumenthal-furio ... 00285.html

Blumenthal... that conservative piece of scum...

Somehow this has to be trumps fault...

yeah, more performative hip shooting from Blumenthal. Kinda standard for him though usually he's grandstanding the other direction, but I think you're going to see Dems actually critique this Admin in ways R's wouldn't dare to do with Trump. And it'll be as much about saying 'see, I can criticize my own party sometimes' than actual anger etc.

This is easy...more needs to be done.
And hey, maybe Blumenthal actually is angry...certainly possible.

[Farfromgeneva]

Who dat?

I wonder why we bother to sign deals...

white man speak with fork-ed tongue?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.histor ... x-blankets

[cradleandshoot]

Anyway, the firing has ceased.

No it has not.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci ... 021-09-04/

yeah, you shoot up in the air and the bullets eventually come down...

Thanks for admitting you are okay with innocent people dying. Just ask the USNA Plebe's Mom....oops.

huh? I'm "okay" with something?
where do you get that notion?

Your downplaying of gunfire killing innocent people.

I downplayed it????

The article says it was celebratory firing of weapons into the air...people killed...stupidly, not on purpose...Taliban says knock it off, it's dangerous...

But certainly not Taliban shooting at Americans or Americans shooting at Taliban, which was the original point. That shooting has stopped.

The Taliban don't need to shoot anymore. They just have to play Joe for the idiot he is and see how much money they can get to release the hostages now being held in Afghanistan. Your going to keep telling us what a great job Joe did in the evacuation of Afghanistan. You and about a dozen other people believe that load of crap. Tell us MD why Joe bugged out of Bagram Airfield? What the F**k was he thinking? Joe Biden just made the biggest effup a POTUS has made in decades and your spinning like he did a magnificent job. You think YOUR party is going to be kind to him in 2024? You think YOUR party is going to be kind to all those democrats running for election/re-election in 2022? Your worried about the trump influence. You should be worried about the Biden incompetence. Joe is the very best friend YOUR party has right now.

[Farfromgeneva]

https://news.yahoo.com/blumenthal-furio ... 00285.html

Blumenthal... that conservative piece of scum...

Somehow this has to be trumps fault...

yeah, more performative hip shooting from Blumenthal. Kinda standard for him though usually he's grandstanding the other direction, but I think you're going to see Dems actually critique this Admin in ways R's wouldn't dare to do with Trump. And it'll be as much about saying 'see, I can criticize my own party sometimes' than actual anger etc.

This is easy...more needs to be done.
And hey, maybe Blumenthal actually is angry...certainly possible.

Commonfund, Malken and Wien (through his wife), riverdale, one of the wealthiest senators in congress despite never working in the private sector. Took Linda McMahons seat post financial crisis in a state
That has corruption rampant forever while he was AG and let Rowland to what he wanted for a long time because Rowland was dirty for more than a year to two, I had gotten to know one of his benefactors named Bob Matthews who lied to us about tearing down a hotel called the Royal Palm to build condos after we gave him a very high leverage bridge loan.

He’s a Kerry democrat.

[MDlaxfan76]

https://news.yahoo.com/blumenthal-furio ... 00285.html

Blumenthal... that conservative piece of scum...

Somehow this has to be trumps fault...

yeah, more performative hip shooting from Blumenthal. Kinda standard for him though usually he's grandstanding the other direction, but I think you're going to see Dems actually critique this Admin in ways R's wouldn't dare to do with Trump. And it'll be as much about saying 'see, I can criticize my own party sometimes' than actual anger etc.

This is easy...more needs to be done.
And hey, maybe Blumenthal actually is angry...certainly possible.

Commonfund, Malken and Wien (through his wife), riverdale, one of the wealthiest senators in congress despite never working in the private sector. Took Linda McMahons seat post financial crisis in a state
That has corruption rampant forever while he was AG and let Rowland to what he wanted for a long time because Rowland was dirty for more than a year to two, I had gotten to know one of his benefactors named Bob Matthews who lied to us about tearing down a hotel called the Royal Palm to build condos after we gave him a very high leverage bridge loan.

He’s a Kerry democrat.

yeah, never been impressed with him.

[Farfromgeneva]

https://news.yahoo.com/blumenthal-furio ... 00285.html

Blumenthal... that conservative piece of scum...

Somehow this has to be trumps fault...

yeah, more performative hip shooting from Blumenthal. Kinda standard for him though usually he's grandstanding the other direction, but I think you're going to see Dems actually critique this Admin in ways R's wouldn't dare to do with Trump. And it'll be as much about saying 'see, I can criticize my own party sometimes' than actual anger etc.

This is easy...more needs to be done.
And hey, maybe Blumenthal actually is angry...certainly possible.

Commonfund, Malken and Wien (through his wife), riverdale, one of the wealthiest senators in congress despite never working in the private sector. Took Linda McMahons seat post financial crisis in a state
That has corruption rampant forever while he was AG and let Rowland to what he wanted for a long time because Rowland was dirty for more than a year to two, I had gotten to know one of his benefactors named Bob Matthews who lied to us about tearing down a hotel called the Royal Palm to build condos after we gave him a very high leverage bridge loan.

He’s a Kerry democrat.

yeah, never been impressed with him.

Screwed the Pequot tribe like 20yrs ago when there was a bunch of land in SE CT (meaning New London/casino area) for taxpayers, sued every company leaving and constantly lost and made it worse for employers and is considered the reason UConn didn’t get an invite to the ACC. That Blumenthal.

[MDlaxfan76]

Anyway, the firing has ceased.

No it has not.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci ... 021-09-04/

yeah, you shoot up in the air and the bullets eventually come down...

Thanks for admitting you are okay with innocent people dying. Just ask the USNA Plebe's Mom....oops.

huh? I'm "okay" with something?
where do you get that notion?

Your downplaying of gunfire killing innocent people.

I downplayed it????

The article says it was celebratory firing of weapons into the air...people killed...stupidly, not on purpose...Taliban says knock it off, it's dangerous...

But certainly not Taliban shooting at Americans or Americans shooting at Taliban, which was the original point. That shooting has stopped.

The Taliban don't need to shoot anymore. They just have to play Joe for the idiot he is and see how much money they can get to release the hostages now being held in Afghanistan. Your going to keep telling us what a great job Joe did in the evacuation of Afghanistan. You and about a dozen other people believe that load of crap. Tell us MD why Joe bugged out of Bagram Airfield? What the F**k was he thinking? Joe Biden just made the biggest effup a POTUS has made in decades and your spinning like he did a magnificent job. You think YOUR party is going to be kind to him in 2024? You think YOUR party is going to be kind to all those democrats running for election/re-election in 2022? Your worried about the trump influence. You should be worried about the Biden incompetence. Joe is the very best friend YOUR party has right now.

cradle, I'd appreciate it if you'd tone down the invective a couple of notches. I bet others would as well.

I don't know all the logic re Bagram other than they apparently thought they could exit better from Kabul, given difficulty of actually moving people from Kabul to Bagram. Armed convoys traveling over land...what could go wrong?

But I'd be interested in knowing what the military's plans for getting this done (date certain exit) and whether there was indeed an alternative play that would have been better. One thing's for sure, I'd need to know a heck of a lot more than I do or you do to know what the pros and cons of various alternatives actually were.

But to me, it almost feels like the military thought they were going persuade Biden to delay further and then were surprised when he didn't and said, well then the heck with it, we're out of here as fast as we can...feet save ass. But that's probably not right either.

[old salt]

Why did the US bugout of Bagram with no notice and who would have made such a stupid decision? This stinks to me like a decision made by someone very high up in DC. I'm also wondering where the leaks are in the Biden administration when we really need them?

A decision this significant had to go all the way to the President.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-09/ ... /100277452

I remain mystified why we felt the need to get down to just 650 troops nearly 2 mos before we had to.
We demonstrated we have the ability to extract 6,000 troops in a few days, if we have to.
We obviously expected to be able to keep the Embassy & HKIA open after the troops were gone.
All the planning was based on the Ghani govt remaining in power & the ASF staying in the field & able to defend Kabul.
The plan provided no contingency to respond to the govt falling & the ASF collapsing.
Airlift was our only way out, so we needed to hold every air base as along as we could.
How would we get people to Bagram ? In those 7 Embassy Air helos we left for the Taliban & all the military helos we airlifted out last.
We could have airlifted directly out of other air bases or shuttled evacuees to Bagram via C-130's.
It violates all the precepts of an orderly retreat from a position of strength. It was a self-inflicted rout.
We'll get answers. Books will be written. This will be studied in War Colleges & Service Academies forever, ...as a monumental failure.

[Brooklyn]

The Taliban don't need to shoot anymore. They just have to play Joe for the idiot he is and see how much money they can get to release the hostages now being held in Afghanistan. Your going to keep telling us what a great job Joe did in the evacuation of Afghanistan. You and about a dozen other people believe that load of crap.

Since it was your party that started the war let them pay the "ransom" as part of the reparations they owe Afghanistan for the multiple billions of dollars they caused in war damages to that country.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Why did the US bugout of Bagram with no notice and who would have made such a stupid decision? This stinks to me like a decision made by someone very high up in DC. I'm also wondering where the leaks are in the Biden administration when we really need them?

A decision this significant had to go all the way to the President.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-09/ ... /100277452

I remain mystified why we felt the need to get down to just 650 troops nearly 2 mos before we had to.
We demonstrated we have the ability to extract 6,000 troops in a few days, if we have to.
We obviously expected to be able to keep the Embassy & HKIA open after the troops were gone.
All the planning was based on the Ghani govt remaining in power & the ASF staying in the field & able to defend Kabul.
The plan provided no contingency to respond to the govt falling & the ASF collapsing.
Airlift was our only way out, so we needed to hold every air base as along as we could.
How would we get people to Bagram ? In those 7 Embassy Air helos we left for the Taliban & all the military helos we airlifted out last.
We could have airlifted directly out of other air bases or shuttled evacuees to Bagram via C-130's.
It violates all the precepts of an orderly retreat from a position of strength. It was a self-inflicted rout.
We'll get answers. Books will be written. This will be studied in War Colleges & Service Academies forever, ...as a monumental failure.

Sound like Johnny Unitas talking about the Colts 25 years later.

[DocBarrister]

Why did the US bugout of Bagram with no notice and who would have made such a stupid decision? This stinks to me like a decision made by someone very high up in DC. I'm also wondering where the leaks are in the Biden administration when we really need them?

A decision this significant had to go all the way to the President.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-09/ ... /100277452

I remain mystified why we felt the need to get down to just 650 troops nearly 2 mos before we had to.
We demonstrated we have the ability to extract 6,000 troops in a few days, if we have to.
We obviously expected to be able to keep the Embassy & HKIA open after the troops were gone.
All the planning was based on the Ghani govt remaining in power & the ASF staying in the field & able to defend Kabul.
The plan provided no contingency to respond to the govt falling & the ASF collapsing.
Airlift was our only way out, so we needed to hold every air base as along as we could.
How would we get people to Bagram ? In those 7 Embassy Air helos we left for the Taliban & all the military helos we airlifted out last.
We could have airlifted directly out of other air bases or shuttled evacuees to Bagram via C-130's.
It violates all the precepts of an orderly retreat from a position of strength. It was a self-inflicted rout.
We'll get answers. Books will be written. This will be studied in War Colleges & Service Academies forever, ...as a monumental failure.

The “monumental failure” occurred back in 2003 when George W. Bush failed to finish the job in Afghanistan and diverted massive resources to Iraq.

Bush left his successor with two major mismanaged wars (never mind the wrecked economy as frosting on his cake).

President Biden finally ended the nation-building folly that George W. initiated. You cannot deny that nation-building was a major rationale for Bush’s two wars.

Both W and Trump completely screwed up. President Obama should have take Biden’s advice and withdrawn from Afghanistan a decade ago.

Nothing the United States could have done short of a permanent substantial deployment would have “saved” the Afghan government. W’s failed experiment in nation building and Trump’s reckless agreement with the Taliban were both doomed to fail from their initiation.

And you blame Biden for the failure?

If so, you haven’t learned a thing in the past two decades.

DocBarrister

[old salt]

Why did the US bugout of Bagram with no notice and who would have made such a stupid decision? This stinks to me like a decision made by someone very high up in DC. I'm also wondering where the leaks are in the Biden administration when we really need them?

A decision this significant had to go all the way to the President.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-09/ ... /100277452

I remain mystified why we felt the need to get down to just 650 troops nearly 2 mos before we had to.
We demonstrated we have the ability to extract 6,000 troops in a few days, if we have to.
We obviously expected to be able to keep the Embassy & HKIA open after the troops were gone.
All the planning was based on the Ghani govt remaining in power & the ASF staying in the field & able to defend Kabul.
The plan provided no contingency to respond to the govt falling & the ASF collapsing.
Airlift was our only way out, so we needed to hold every air base as along as we could.
How would we get people to Bagram ? In those 7 Embassy Air helos we left for the Taliban & all the military helos we airlifted out last.
We could have airlifted directly out of other air bases or shuttled evacuees to Bagram via C-130's.
It violates all the precepts of an orderly retreat from a position of strength. It was a self-inflicted rout.
We'll get answers. Books will be written. This will be studied in War Colleges & Service Academies forever, ...as a monumental failure.

Sound like Johnny Unitas talking about the Colts 25 years later.

He was describing the way the Colts slinked out of Baltimore in the middle of the night.

[old salt]

Why did the US bugout of Bagram with no notice and who would have made such a stupid decision? This stinks to me like a decision made by someone very high up in DC. I'm also wondering where the leaks are in the Biden administration when we really need them?

A decision this significant had to go all the way to the President.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-09/ ... /100277452

I remain mystified why we felt the need to get down to just 650 troops nearly 2 mos before we had to.
We demonstrated we have the ability to extract 6,000 troops in a few days, if we have to.
We obviously expected to be able to keep the Embassy & HKIA open after the troops were gone.
All the planning was based on the Ghani govt remaining in power & the ASF staying in the field & able to defend Kabul.
The plan provided no contingency to respond to the govt falling & the ASF collapsing.
Airlift was our only way out, so we needed to hold every air base as along as we could.
How would we get people to Bagram ? In those 7 Embassy Air helos we left for the Taliban & all the military helos we airlifted out last.
We could have airlifted directly out of other air bases or shuttled evacuees to Bagram via C-130's.
It violates all the precepts of an orderly retreat from a position of strength. It was a self-inflicted rout.
We'll get answers. Books will be written. This will be studied in War Colleges & Service Academies forever, ...as a monumental failure.

The “monumental failure” occurred back in 2003 when George W. Bush failed to finish the job in Afghanistan and diverted massive resources to Iraq.

Bush left his successor with two major mismanaged wars (never mind the wrecked economy as frosting on his cake).

President Biden finally ended the nation-building folly that George W. initiated. You cannot deny that nation-building was a major rationale for Bush’s two wars.

Both W and Trump completely screwed up. President Obama should have take Biden’s advice and withdrawn from Afghanistan a decade ago.

Nothing the United States could have done short of a permanent substantial deployment would have “saved” the Afghan government. W’s failed experiment in nation building and Trump’s reckless agreement with the Taliban were both doomed to fail from their initiation.

And you blame Biden for the failure?

If so, you haven’t learned a thing in the past two decades.

DocBarrister

What Bush did or didn't do, 18 years ago, has nothing to do with how this botched retreat was executed.

[Farfromgeneva]

Why did the US bugout of Bagram with no notice and who would have made such a stupid decision? This stinks to me like a decision made by someone very high up in DC. I'm also wondering where the leaks are in the Biden administration when we really need them?

A decision this significant had to go all the way to the President.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-09/ ... /100277452

I remain mystified why we felt the need to get down to just 650 troops nearly 2 mos before we had to.
We demonstrated we have the ability to extract 6,000 troops in a few days, if we have to.
We obviously expected to be able to keep the Embassy & HKIA open after the troops were gone.
All the planning was based on the Ghani govt remaining in power & the ASF staying in the field & able to defend Kabul.
The plan provided no contingency to respond to the govt falling & the ASF collapsing.
Airlift was our only way out, so we needed to hold every air base as along as we could.
How would we get people to Bagram ? In those 7 Embassy Air helos we left for the Taliban & all the military helos we airlifted out last.
We could have airlifted directly out of other air bases or shuttled evacuees to Bagram via C-130's.
It violates all the precepts of an orderly retreat from a position of strength. It was a self-inflicted rout.
We'll get answers. Books will be written. This will be studied in War Colleges & Service Academies forever, ...as a monumental failure.

The “monumental failure” occurred back in 2003 when George W. Bush failed to finish the job in Afghanistan and diverted massive resources to Iraq.

Bush left his successor with two major mismanaged wars (never mind the wrecked economy as frosting on his cake).

President Biden finally ended the nation-building folly that George W. initiated. You cannot deny that nation-building was a major rationale for Bush’s two wars.

Both W and Trump completely screwed up. President Obama should have take Biden’s advice and withdrawn from Afghanistan a decade ago.

Nothing the United States could have done short of a permanent substantial deployment would have “saved” the Afghan government. W’s failed experiment in nation building and Trump’s reckless agreement with the Taliban were both doomed to fail from their initiation.

And you blame Biden for the failure?

If so, you haven’t learned a thing in the past two decades.

DocBarrister

What did Bush specifically do the wreck the economy? Wouldn’t be the wars. Is it leaving Greenspan in charge? Ethanol mandate? Or did you throw that in just cause? Tax code changes and profit repatriation (as well as ethanol mandate) required congressional approval and had fairly broad appeal (reducing cap gains was a huge mistake IMO but that’s not Bush that’s all of congress including Pelosi and Biden).