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Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:13 pm**

Also mentions Shure coming back which will hopefully aid the shortstick corps.

In terms of Jennings - always have the concerns about 1 year rentals and the trickle down effect - it's too bad about Reinson - I thought he played well last year

Then there is the subject of the treatment of Petro. That's a tough one to be sure. On the one hand he was/is a legend at your school and sport and deserves all the plaudits and recognition. On the other hand, he didn't want to leave and that's always a tough deal. There aren't very many Frank Beamer's running around. I doubt a highlight video would have meant very much to Dave at the time - the press release was as well worded as it probably could have been:
"For two decades, Dave Pietramala guided our men's lacrosse program and we are truly thankful for his tireless efforts and the leadership he provided to the young men who represented Johns Hopkins at the highest level on and off the field," Baker noted. "Very few great players have demonstrated the ability to become great coaches; Dave Pietramala has done that and his legacy as a player and coach is virtually unmatched in the world of college lacrosse." Then went on to mention his success as a coach by the numbers and the academic success realized by his players which is very important to Petro.

It truly wasn't a "we thank him for his contributions and wish him well in future endeavors" memo

I know Wombat went Bat$h!+ crazy over this issue but the timing - if it was going to be done - HAD to be done when it did. Not only were you presented with all the looming uncertainties of the virus, you had to find a coach, figure out a '21 recruiting class with all the defections and try to demonstrate some transition and stabiity when the '22s could commit in about 4 months. If Petro really got cheated out of a few months of his contract - that would be poor form on the administration's part no question.

Maybe they will ask when the Orange visit in '22 or '23 whether they can do a tribute like hockey teams like to do - I would applaud that wholeheartedly.

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:17 pm**

51percentcorn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:41 pm The Huge news - 15 game schedule - 10 OOCs
Schedule loaded with good teams - UVA Loyola Georgetown UNC Syracuse are among the highlights

nice. hopefully the hoos game never goes away again.
15 regular season might be hopkins' most ever?

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:23 pm**

I have seen Jennings play a bit bc I watched them play Gtown twice. He had a really tough time covering Carraway for what it’s worth (as would most people).

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:42 pm**

51percentcorn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:13 pm Maybe they will ask when the Orange visit in '22 or '23 whether they can do a tribute like hockey teams like to do - I would applaud that wholeheartedly.

There you go. Perfect idea. I'm guessing that would mean the world to Petro and his family.

I've already taken up too much bandwidth on this stuff. Sorry, gang.

We're nearing fall ball. Only discussion of current games/players/coaches from here on out from me......

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:47 pm**

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:56 pm**

75% of the 2021 NCAA quarterfinalists
75% of the NCAA semifinalists
100% of the finalists

C'mon Milliman why didn't you schedule Notre Dame and Duke? Chicken

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:48 pm**

51percentcorn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:13 pm Also mentions Shure coming back which will hopefully aid the shortstick corps.

In terms of Jennings - always have the concerns about 1 year rentals and the trickle down effect - it's too bad about Reinson - I thought he played well last year

Agreed on both counts, but for all intents and purposes Jennings is just going to be "Reinson" this year. Replacing one experienced 5th year lefty with another. Given we thought Reinson was coming back, it doesn't really change the math. I doubt it impacts Todaro or Smith much—if those two are who IL says they are then they'll find their way onto the field regardless.

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:04 pm**

51percentcorn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:45 pm Here's the announcement - it says Lyne is returning and does not mention Reinson
Also says Kirson is returning - I guess I understand why but....
So much for trimming roster size

https://hopkinssports.com/news/2021/7/2 ... ebook.aspx

That’s a very tough schedule. Blue Jays will need to be a top-ten-caliber team to just finish with a winning record.

DocBarrister

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:50 pm**

-WOMBAT is always capitalized.
-HF16 was right about the schedule. One less thing for Quint to scream about w/navy/uva back. By the way quint, epstein didn't transfer, guess you and anish and carc were wrong about the chemistry issues from a player getting held accountable. Next move the big rivalry games or some of them to april where our broadcast partner espn can get some decent shots of filled stadiums. The acc is not conference only later in the year and rosemont has done nothing to promote the conference or sport.
-Depth is going to be important w/all those games. We're going to have a lot of attrition. Jay Dyer who I am not a fan of, will have his work cut out.
-That's a 12 person freshman class, one of the smaller in memory.
-Team chemistry is going to be a big issue. Most of the team recruited by Petro years ago but now we have new kids, some older brought in by PM who might squeeze out kids who've played or waited for awhile.
-I respect 51 but anytime we bring in a gb vacuum cleaner I'm in.
-Ton of defensive turnover for years. Shure is a stable force. Good.
-Alumni/parents/ex players/lacrosse community cares about Hopkins lacrosse, whether the current generation of students that know nothing but program mediocrity and are the product of a ridiculous woke university admissions process care about a mostly white upper middle class sport remains to be seen.
-Milliman needs to get on campus, introduce himself and the program and connect with a new generation of students and alumni. Get him on a zoom w/the coaching staff let alumni across the school ask questions, then do another w/the current players, engage. It's possible and not beneath him or the program.
-Still think we should leave the big ten and it's time for some frank calls to rosemont about getting games off big ten plus. The conference has made hundreds of millions of dollars off the introduction of the terps and rutgers markets and there's no reason Hopkins fans should be paying additionally into that.
-Petro has no beef w/the school. He coached his way out of a job. Period. 1 ff in a decade is caa garbage. He should have gone public earlier w/his issues w/daniels and straightened it out through the media. Desko and Syracuse was a lot uglier than people want to admit. They clearly told him to go, he clearly did not want to and in the process they recruited gait for the job and brought in a rival as a dc. That's going to be a circus.
-Pellegrino is the Patriots DB coach. I give it 5 years or less and he'll be a HC.
-without knowing home/away and some of these games are going to be midweek. Wins-Rutgers/PSU/Michigan/Delaware/Jacksonville/Navy/Towson/Princeton/Syracuse Losses UNC/uva/maryland/Loyola/georetown/osu.

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:24 pm**

06, that post was an absolute handful, even for you. I don't know where to begin...so I won't. But would it kill you to, I don't know, chill out once in awhile? Everything is going to be ok. I promise.

It's insanely too early to be predicting wins and losses. The only real takeaways for me are a) they will have ample opportunities for "big wins" and b) important rivalries with UVA and Navy are back, and they're continuing ones with Cuse, Princeton, Loyola, etc. I thought the UNC game might be a casualty of the new staff but apparently Pete Milly wants that smoke. I'll take it as a positive sign—if he thought this team would get embarrassed by this gauntlet of a schedule then he would have put in NJIT and Lafayette as Mr. "courtdog" prognosticated. It's also a point for team "Hopkins lacrosse is still Hopkins lacrosse." PM keeping all these sacred rivalries suggests he knows his place and respects the institution—something that I think a small but vocal minority of alums were worried he might not. That 6 super-seniors are coming back also says the new staff has won those guys over. DeSo in particular could have transferred anywhere he wanted to.

Maybe it's because it's July and we've had nothing to talk about for months but the combination of schedule/transfer/returning 5th year news has me excited. Might have to get down to Homewood on Oct. 24.

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:35 pm**

jhu06 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:50 pm WOMBAT is always capitalized

Couldn't care less

jhu06 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:50 pm Next move the big rivalry games or some of them to april where our broadcast partner espn can get some decent shots of filled stadiums. The acc is not conference only later in the year and rosemont has done nothing to promote the conference or sport.

None of these stadiums are going to be filled - BIG games are in April - maybe a midweek game or two - get over it

jhu06 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:50 pm Depth is going to be important w/all those games. We're going to have a lot of attrition. Jay Dyer who I am not a fan of, will have his work cut out.

They're 19-23 years old - I still have a hard time measuring this issue - Duke routinely plays 17 regular season games - though maybe a couple more cupcakes

jhu06 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:50 pm That's a 12 person freshman class, one of the smaller in memory.

Granted smaller than 2 18 person classes in the past couple years but still NOT small

jhu06 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:50 pm Team chemistry is going to be a big issue. Most of the team recruited by Petro years ago but now we have new kids, some older brought in by PM who might squeeze out kids who've played or waited for awhile.

Other than Jennings - who likely gets to play - where is this coming from? Everyone thinks Marcille is the goalie and Maher is what? a projected second line middie? Incoming freshmen are a blessing/problem for every team

jhu06 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:50 pm I respect 51 but anytime we bring in a gb vacuum cleaner I'm in.

86 ground balls in 3 years - let's not get carried away - Bocklett used to gather that many in one season - 30 gbs in a season is less than Reinson's 37 last year in 13 games

jhu06 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:50 pm Milliman needs to get on campus, introduce himself and the program and connect with a new generation of students and alumni. Get him on a zoom w/the coaching staff let alumni across the school ask questions, then do another w/the current players, engage. It's possible and not beneath him or the program.

No he really doesn't - the athletic department should devote some time and thought as to how best to get students to attend games but Milliman shaking hands on the Gilman quad is not it.

jhu06 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:50 pm Still think we should leave the big ten and it's time for some frank calls to rosemont about getting games off big ten plus. The conference has made hundreds of millions of dollars off the introduction of the terps and rutgers markets and there's no reason Hopkins fans should be paying additionally into that

I really need some of what you are smoking

jhu06 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:50 pm Pellegrino is the Patriots DB coach. I give it 5 years or less and he'll be a HC.

My God - bring back your comment about wombat - it's more relevant

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:44 pm**

Good job by the program, both in setting up a legitimately good OOC schedule and in announcing it early. I'm guessing timing is intended to get the attention of the '23 recruits ahead of September 1 - "hey guys, you want to play college ball at the highest level? come to Hop and you can play both the B1G and (most of) the ACC. and Navy and Loyola and Georgetown and Denver. and be on TV a lot. that sound interesting?"

Really love that they got all the local rivals (Towson, Loyola, Navy), the historic rivals (SU, UVa, UNC, Princeton), a couple of "should wins" (Delaware, Jax), and the two best Big East schools (DU and G'Town). Not to mention that playing more games gives kids chances to develop, allows greater roster usage and let's guys get their stats (a la Duke).

Will miss Reinson. Kid made some truly great plays for the Jays. Thought he deserved an HM AA this year, but the team D as a whole probably wasn't good enough. Glad to have Lyne back though.

Posted: **Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:13 am**

NY - Denver is not among those annnounced as OOC apponents - the way you broke out the list totals 11

Posted: **Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:26 am**

There's another question I missed coming out of yesterday's announcement - technically Fernandez is/was a senior last year with 2 years remaining in eligibility. But he was not mentioned in the notebook - does that mean he packed up his sore knees and went and got a job? I remember PM saying something to the effect early this year that Fernandez would contribute down the road or something to that effect.

Let's Check the math by class:

Returning for Final year of eligibility - 7
DeSimone - A
Keogh - M
Lyne - D
Shure - SSDM or LSM?
Kirson - G
Prouty - F/O
Jennings - D

Seniors - 2 years of Eligibility - 10
Calnan - D - DNP - 3 years of E?
Hawley - M
McManus - D
Epstein - A
Lilly - SSDM
Narewski - F/O
Keneally - LSM
Degnon - M
Mabbett - SSDM
Versfeld - G

Juniors - 3 years of eligibility remaining - 13
Glassmeyer - SSDM - DNP - 4 years of E?
Handsor - SSDM - DNP - 4 years of E?
Fox - D - DNP - 4 years of E?
Burnett - A - DNP - 4 years of E?
Rodgers - D - DNP - 4 years of E?
Uphoff - M - DNP - 4 years of E?
Marcille - G
Angelus - M
Szuluk - D
Jaronski - LSM/SSDM
Ruddy - D
Rahm - D
Krampf - A

Sophomores - 3 years of eligibility - 17
Ladrido - M - DNP - 4 years of E?
Ince - SSDM - DNP - 4 years of E?
Chauvette - A - DNP- 4 years of E?
Arteaga - SSDM - DNP - 4 years of E?
Evans - M - DNP - 4 years of E?
Bauer - A/M - DNP - 4 years of E?
Tallino - M - DNP - 4 years of E?
Harkin - M - DNP - 4 years of E?
Smith - D
Raposo - M
Deans - LSM
Grimes - A
Martin - SSDM
Dunn F/O
McDermott - M
Peshko - M
Maher - A/M

Freshmen - 4 years of Eligibility - 12
Todaro - D
Hicks - M
Webb - G
Callahan - F/O
Teachout - M
Charboneau - A
Wong - A
Whitaker - D
Kaufman - LSM
Phillips - M
Reen - M
Bowler - LSM

59 - Ugggghhh - And we had such high hopes Pete - If Fernandez was somehow not specifically metioned as returning because technically he has 2 years of eligibility left - than its an even 60 right now.

By listed position:
4 Goalies
4 Face-Off
9 Attack - I put Bauer in here
17 - Midfielders - I put Maher in here
8 - Short Stick Defensive Midfielders - I put Shure here
5 - Long Stick Midfielders
12 - Defensemen

other notes: 15 players on this roster - or assumed to be on the roster - did not play a second last year - they could not have all been hurt
LSM - looks especially thin upon review of roster - Jaronski and Deans the ony ones that played any meaningful minutes and Deans stopped halfway through the season - 2 of the 5 or 6 names (depending upon Fernandez) are freshmen
Attack - of the 9 names - only 4 have ever played - and that includes Krampf in some very short mop up time - Burnett/Chauvette/Bauer and the 2 freshmen obviously have never set foot on the field for Hopkins - any injury to the top 3 reshuffles the mid-fields big time as Keogh/Angelus/Degnon are probably on the whiteboard - I guess Maher is really an attackmen that we assume is going to play middie

And the size issue may not abate in '23 either - of the relatively small senior class that has 2 years of eligibility left
you would definitely want 3 of them back right now: Epstein/Narewski/Degnon and you made the deal with Versfeld so if you let Kirson stay you are going to let him stay and then you very well might want some combo of McManus/Mabbett/Lilly so you could be back to 6 or 7 again and your '22 class has 12 so the equipment manager will once again be overworked and underpaid

Posted: **Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:38 am**

51percentcorn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:45 pm Here's the announcement - it says Lyne is returning and does not mention Reinson

Well this is really good news. Lyne is a beast. I thought he was our best defenseman by the end of the season. He could be a real force in 2022. WOW! I'm feeling pretty good about our defense next year even with the losses at lsm. I believe Todaro can play lsm and it sounds like he's got some game. I guess we'll see tomorrow night.

Posted: **Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:04 am**

Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:38 am
51percentcorn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:45 pm Here's the announcement - it says Lyne is returning and does not mention Reinson
Well this is really good news. Lyne is a beast. I thought he was our best defenseman by the end of the season. He could be a real force in 2022. WOW! I'm feeling pretty good about our defense next year even with the losses at lsm. I believe Todaro can play lsm and it sounds like he's got some game. I guess we'll see tomorrow night.

Todaro is definitely capable of playing LSM, as is Smith. Between Fernandez, Deans, Jaronski, Szuluk, Smith, Todaro, Bowler, Kaufman, I'm not super worried about it.

I did think Fernandez's omission from the summer notebook was curious but I'm quite certain he's returning. He doesn't graduate undergrad till the spring.

SSDM is a very interesting position for us. Suddenly there is a ton of depth there. Not wildly experienced depth but guys who have played and at least a couple who have shown promise. Martin is locked in but then now you've got Lilly, Jaronski, Mabbett, Glassmeyer (assuming healthy), and Shure all with at least some experience at the position. I'm assuming they will try to convert one or two of the freshmen into shorties—Reen and Teachout might be candidates. Both are big and athletic.

Posted: **Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:43 pm**

a fan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:41 pm
steel_hop wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:10 pm He had about a decade to right the ship and over that time had one good year 2015. Otherwise, it was substandard. Look, I get you are hairpulling but it was time for Petro to go. Just like it was time for Dom to "retire" and Desko to go. Tierney saw the writing on the wall and made a move. He was probably 2-3 years of similar performance going to be let go. It was why Petro should have pursued the UM job.
I don't disagree with them putting Petro to pasture. They could have done it with far more class. Same for Desko, for that matter.

steel_hop wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:10 pm Doesn't mean that they weren't or can still be good, or even potentially great coaches but they wore out their welcome. They weren't performing on the field to the necessary standards set.
Neither did Milliman......and that seems to be the missed point here. Yep, promise and all that. And yep, they looked better when the freshman played. And yep, optimism. And yep, give the new guy a long leash. But: 4 wins is 4 wins. And we have no clue what 2022 will bring....covid has made evaluations impossible. Heck, the whole Ivy league shut down last year.

Peshko could light up the league in 2022, for all we know. For me? I hope that both Hopkins and Syracuse are playing each other in Final Fours, and soon.....

If you don't see the difference in evaluating a coach that had been at an institution for 20 years and had an extreme drop off in results verse a coach's 1st year then there isn't much to say. Under your analysis Lars Tiffany should have bene fired for going 8-7 that is only 1 win better than the year before.

But, as I said, you need to pull hairs for some reason. Enjoy the rest of your day.

Posted: **Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:20 pm**

steel_hop wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:43 pm If you don't see the difference in evaluating a coach that had been at an institution for 20 years and had an extreme drop off in results verse a coach's 1st year then there isn't much to say. Under your analysis Lars Tiffany should have bene fired for going 8-7 that is only 1 win better than the year before.

Nope. You're projecting. I understand the difference just fine.

Enjoy your season, and best of luck this year!

Posted: **Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:43 pm**

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:04 am Todaro is definitely capable of playing LSM, as is Smith. Between Fernandez, Deans, Jaronski, Szuluk, Smith, Todaro, Bowler, Kaufman, I'm not super worried about it.

Again - with now 60 names on the roster - if Fernandez is returning - bodies to throw at any particular problem is not the issue. Experience and performance is. Fernandez is coming off his second ACL if not mistaken and has never played for Hopkins. Todaro, Bowler and Kaufman are freshmen obviously. Szuluk to my observation is a better close defensemen. Deans mysteriously disappeared from playing time midway through last season - injured? Jaronski split time between LSM and SSDM - as did Shure - maybe the most confusing coaching decision - (aside from the Grimes Claude Rains impersonation in the second half of that one game) - so there is not alot of experience. One of the things you want to see from your LSM is ground balls - such as DeLaney's 39. Jaronski 12/Szuluk 7/Deans 6 - I know they didn't play as much at the position but there's a hole there that needs to be filled.
Kaufman is my dark horse - that is one long rangy young man - if they can teach him what to do and where to go - could be a contributor.

Posted: **Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:02 pm**

51percentcorn wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:26 am There's another question I missed coming out of yesterday's announcement - technically Fernandez is/was a senior last year with 2 years remaining in eligibility. But he was not mentioned in the notebook - does that mean he packed up his sore knees and went and got a job? I remember PM saying something to the effect early this year that Fernandez would contribute down the road or something to that effect.

Let's Check the math by class:

Returning for Final year of eligibility - 7
DeSimone - A
Keogh - M
Lyne - D
Shure - SSDM or LSM?
Kirson - G
Prouty - F/O
Jennings - D

Seniors - 2 years of Eligibility - 10
Calnan - D - DNP - 3 years of E?
Hawley - M
McManus - D
Epstein - A
Lilly - SSDM
Narewski - F/O
Keneally - LSM
Degnon - M
Mabbett - SSDM
Versfeld - G

Juniors - 3 years of eligibility remaining - 13
Glassmeyer - SSDM - DNP - 4 years of E?
Handsor - SSDM - DNP - 4 years of E?
Fox - D - DNP - 4 years of E?
Burnett - A - DNP - 4 years of E?
Rodgers - D - DNP - 4 years of E?
Uphoff - M - DNP - 4 years of E?
Marcille - G
Angelus - M
Szuluk - D
Jaronski - LSM/SSDM
Ruddy - D
Rahm - D
Krampf - A

Sophomores - 3 years of eligibility - 17
Ladrido - M - DNP - 4 years of E?
Ince - SSDM - DNP - 4 years of E?
Chauvette - A - DNP- 4 years of E?
Arteaga - SSDM - DNP - 4 years of E?
Evans - M - DNP - 4 years of E?
Bauer - A/M - DNP - 4 years of E?
Tallino - M - DNP - 4 years of E?
Harkin - M - DNP - 4 years of E?
Smith - D
Raposo - M
Deans - LSM
Grimes - A
Martin - SSDM
Dunn F/O
McDermott - M
Peshko - M
Maher - A/M

Freshmen - 4 years of Eligibility - 12
Todaro - D
Hicks - M
Webb - G
Callahan - F/O
Teachout - M
Charboneau - A
Wong - A
Whitaker - D
Kaufman - LSM
Phillips - M
Reen - M
Bowler - LSM

59 - Ugggghhh - And we had such high hopes Pete - If Fernandez was somehow not specifically metioned as returning because technically he has 2 years of eligibility left - than its an even 60 right now.

By listed position:
4 Goalies
4 Face-Off
9 Attack - I put Bauer in here
17 - Midfielders - I put Maher in here
8 - Short Stick Defensive Midfielders - I put Shure here
5 - Long Stick Midfielders
12 - Defensemen

other notes: 15 players on this roster - or assumed to be on the roster - did not play a second last year - they could not have all been hurt
LSM - looks especially thin upon review of roster - Jaronski and Deans the ony ones that played any meaningful minutes and Deans stopped halfway through the season - 2 of the 5 or 6 names (depending upon Fernandez) are freshmen
Attack - of the 9 names - only 4 have ever played - and that includes Krampf in some very short mop up time - Burnett/Chauvette/Bauer and the 2 freshmen obviously have never set foot on the field for Hopkins - any injury to the top 3 reshuffles the mid-fields big time as Keogh/Angelus/Degnon are probably on the whiteboard - I guess Maher is really an attackmen that we assume is going to play middie

And the size issue may not abate in '23 either - of the relatively small senior class that has 2 years of eligibility left
you would definitely want 3 of them back right now: Epstein/Narewski/Degnon and you made the deal with Versfeld so if you let Kirson stay you are going to let him stay and then you very well might want some combo of McManus/Mabbett/Lilly so you could be back to 6 or 7 again and your '22 class has 12 so the equipment manager will once again be overworked and underpaid

Nice summary, 51.

Suddenly, the Blue Jays seem to have good depth everywhere.

Very optimistic about the 2022 season.

DocBarrister

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