MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:09 pm
Easy, NY was hit early and hard and didn't have enough PPE for medical staff in hospitals, much less for anyone else, given the enormous increase in usage.
Florida came much later and received PPE on time. Helped to be a Trumpist on the latter, former was just luck.
That's why those 'missing 6 weeks' of not cranking up PPE production, testing, etc are so important and to have a national distribution system instead of states bidding against one another. We needed far more than we had. Still do.
The fact that the gubmint was caught with their pants around their ankles seems to surprise you. I know enough about how slow the procurement channels work in DC that it would not have mattered who the POTUS was. The POTUS could demand anything become top priority. You think the underlings, especially if they dislike a POTUS are honestly going to work any faster? POTUS screwed this up but there was no bright shining light anywhere around here in the world of Washington DC. It took people like a Fan to grab the bull by the horns and make up for the short comings of the federal government. The people of the USA are the ones who have bailed out their incompetent leadership. Our leaders screwed the pooch on many levels. The monday morning quarterbacking should wait until somebody, somewhere, somehow get this entire sh***y mess under control.
NO - failure to hold this administration's feet to the fire just allows it to get worse. Trump could have been a true leader, but was so damned afraid of messing up the stock market that he refused to things in his power that needed to be done as time was of the essence (and still is).
I understand your point and I don't disagree with it. I am not an expert on how government works but I do know one thing. The government responds to emergencies the same way the Titanic responded to that iceberg. They are too big and too slow to ever be able to make the turn in time. The BHO people were given months of warning about the dangers in Benghazi and they did nothing. The Trump people were given ample warning about what COVID might do to the country. Nobody in government no matter the party ever wants to deal with the worst case scenario. They will always dick f**k around looking for an easier way around the problem. That is how our government works. They are scared s***less about being the boy who cried wolf and getting it wrong from the start.
Here we go with Benghazi
That was not my point TLD. I knew one of the usual jackwagons here would not understand. I hope I can splain it for you in simple enough terms for you to comprehend. I was comparing the intelligence failure where BHOs folks IGNORED the threats being made in Benghazi. I was comparing that to the intelligence failure Trump made in the COVID screwup. It was not about what happened in Benghazi. It was about what happens when any POTUS ignores the critical information being given to them by people that understand the situation. I hope you understand now? I tried to make it clear enough for you and your self portrait.
More false equivalency.... Find a better comp....we have 50,000 people dead in a month and have lost trillions in economic value......looking for WMD’s is a more fitting analogy....chuck wagon is a better descriptor
You think if Trump had gone all in all this would have been avoided? It is not about a false anything. It is about what happens when you ignore what your smart people are telling you. GWB screw up is a valid comparison also. Why was his screwup even possible... 9/11/2001 is why. America was all ticked off. It is alot easier to motivate people to do what you want when they are angry. The point is not about body count, the point is what happens when you either ignore or delay the information given you. Sometimes 4 people die, sometimes 50 thousand people die. COVID blindsided the entire world. Woulda, shoulda, coulda is easy to say now. We are all Monday morning quarterbacks. Every monday morning I always know what my Buffalo Bills did to lose the game. It is so much easier to understand what went wrong after the game has been played.
Do you know anyone that said COVID 19 in America was avoidable? I know one guy that was close.... “we have 15 cases and it will soon be 0 or close to 0”....Your CinC
When in the last 100 years did we have 50,000 people die from a virus in one month? You don’t know what you are talking about. You actually “sound” stupid.
We are not in the worst of all possible timelines. And yet, our hopes for the pandemic’s quick resolution should clearly be shelved. Taken together, the three major developments of the past few days paint a bleak picture of the months that lie ahead: COVID-19 is too deadly to let it rip through the population. An effective cure is not in sight. And the federal government is incapable of formulating a coherent pandemic response.
After weeks in which it made sense to hope that something would happen to end this nightmare, the prospects for deliverance are more remote than ever.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:09 pm
Easy, NY was hit early and hard and didn't have enough PPE for medical staff in hospitals, much less for anyone else, given the enormous increase in usage.
Florida came much later and received PPE on time. Helped to be a Trumpist on the latter, former was just luck.
That's why those 'missing 6 weeks' of not cranking up PPE production, testing, etc are so important and to have a national distribution system instead of states bidding against one another. We needed far more than we had. Still do.
The fact that the gubmint was caught with their pants around their ankles seems to surprise you. I know enough about how slow the procurement channels work in DC that it would not have mattered who the POTUS was. The POTUS could demand anything become top priority. You think the underlings, especially if they dislike a POTUS are honestly going to work any faster? POTUS screwed this up but there was no bright shining light anywhere around here in the world of Washington DC. It took people like a Fan to grab the bull by the horns and make up for the short comings of the federal government. The people of the USA are the ones who have bailed out their incompetent leadership. Our leaders screwed the pooch on many levels. The monday morning quarterbacking should wait until somebody, somewhere, somehow get this entire sh***y mess under control.
NO - failure to hold this administration's feet to the fire just allows it to get worse. Trump could have been a true leader, but was so damned afraid of messing up the stock market that he refused to things in his power that needed to be done as time was of the essence (and still is).
I understand your point and I don't disagree with it. I am not an expert on how government works but I do know one thing. The government responds to emergencies the same way the Titanic responded to that iceberg. They are too big and too slow to ever be able to make the turn in time. The BHO people were given months of warning about the dangers in Benghazi and they did nothing. The Trump people were given ample warning about what COVID might do to the country. Nobody in government no matter the party ever wants to deal with the worst case scenario. They will always dick f**k around looking for an easier way around the problem. That is how our government works. They are scared s***less about being the boy who cried wolf and getting it wrong from the start.
Here we go with Benghazi
That was not my point TLD. I knew one of the usual jackwagons here would not understand. I hope I can splain it for you in simple enough terms for you to comprehend. I was comparing the intelligence failure where BHOs folks IGNORED the threats being made in Benghazi. I was comparing that to the intelligence failure Trump made in the COVID screwup. It was not about what happened in Benghazi. It was about what happens when any POTUS ignores the critical information being given to them by people that understand the situation. I hope you understand now? I tried to make it clear enough for you and your self portrait.
More false equivalency.... Find a better comp....we have 50,000 people dead in a month and have lost trillions in economic value......looking for WMD’s is a more fitting analogy....chuck wagon is a better descriptor
You think if Trump had gone all in all this would have been avoided? It is not about a false anything. It is about what happens when you ignore what your smart people are telling you. GWB screw up is a valid comparison also. Why was his screwup even possible... 9/11/2001 is why. America was all ticked off. It is alot easier to motivate people to do what you want when they are angry. The point is not about body count, the point is what happens when you either ignore or delay the information given you. Sometimes 4 people die, sometimes 50 thousand people die. COVID blindsided the entire world. Woulda, shoulda, coulda is easy to say now. We are all Monday morning quarterbacks. [/color]Every monday morning I always know what my Buffalo Bills did to lose the game. It is so much easier to understand what went wrong after the game has been played.
ding ding ding.
I also know one guy, on 23-Jan....by the name of Dr. Fauci. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uosnJBDQ7yE that was waffling and talking soft on it. Then in this video on 7-Feb he is still saying "if there is and I hope it does not broaden" then convieniantly the skip ahead 2 and half weeks...hmmm wonder why? Then on 25-Feb..."we are reasonably prepared" and "We need to start thinking about closing things down".
Fauci is part of the problem. He should have stuck with the medical science and kept out of politics.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:09 pm
Easy, NY was hit early and hard and didn't have enough PPE for medical staff in hospitals, much less for anyone else, given the enormous increase in usage.
Florida came much later and received PPE on time. Helped to be a Trumpist on the latter, former was just luck.
That's why those 'missing 6 weeks' of not cranking up PPE production, testing, etc are so important and to have a national distribution system instead of states bidding against one another. We needed far more than we had. Still do.
The fact that the gubmint was caught with their pants around their ankles seems to surprise you. I know enough about how slow the procurement channels work in DC that it would not have mattered who the POTUS was. The POTUS could demand anything become top priority. You think the underlings, especially if they dislike a POTUS are honestly going to work any faster? POTUS screwed this up but there was no bright shining light anywhere around here in the world of Washington DC. It took people like a Fan to grab the bull by the horns and make up for the short comings of the federal government. The people of the USA are the ones who have bailed out their incompetent leadership. Our leaders screwed the pooch on many levels. The monday morning quarterbacking should wait until somebody, somewhere, somehow get this entire sh***y mess under control.
NO - failure to hold this administration's feet to the fire just allows it to get worse. Trump could have been a true leader, but was so damned afraid of messing up the stock market that he refused to things in his power that needed to be done as time was of the essence (and still is).
I understand your point and I don't disagree with it. I am not an expert on how government works but I do know one thing. The government responds to emergencies the same way the Titanic responded to that iceberg. They are too big and too slow to ever be able to make the turn in time. The BHO people were given months of warning about the dangers in Benghazi and they did nothing. The Trump people were given ample warning about what COVID might do to the country. Nobody in government no matter the party ever wants to deal with the worst case scenario. They will always dick f**k around looking for an easier way around the problem. That is how our government works. They are scared s***less about being the boy who cried wolf and getting it wrong from the start.
Here we go with Benghazi
That was not my point TLD. I knew one of the usual jackwagons here would not understand. I hope I can splain it for you in simple enough terms for you to comprehend. I was comparing the intelligence failure where BHOs folks IGNORED the threats being made in Benghazi. I was comparing that to the intelligence failure Trump made in the COVID screwup. It was not about what happened in Benghazi. It was about what happens when any POTUS ignores the critical information being given to them by people that understand the situation. I hope you understand now? I tried to make it clear enough for you and your self portrait.
More false equivalency.... Find a better comp....we have 50,000 people dead in a month and have lost trillions in economic value......looking for WMD’s is a more fitting analogy....chuck wagon is a better descriptor
You think if Trump had gone all in all this would have been avoided? It is not about a false anything. It is about what happens when you ignore what your smart people are telling you. GWB screw up is a valid comparison also. Why was his screwup even possible... 9/11/2001 is why. America was all ticked off. It is alot easier to motivate people to do what you want when they are angry. The point is not about body count, the point is what happens when you either ignore or delay the information given you. Sometimes 4 people die, sometimes 50 thousand people die. COVID blindsided the entire world. Woulda, shoulda, coulda is easy to say now. We are all Monday morning quarterbacks. [/color]Every monday morning I always know what my Buffalo Bills did to lose the game. It is so much easier to understand what went wrong after the game has been played.
ding ding ding.
I also know one guy, on 23-Jan....by the name of Dr. Fauci. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uosnJBDQ7yE that was waffling and talking soft on it. Then in this video on 7-Feb he is still saying "if there is and I hope it does not broaden" then convieniantly the skip ahead 2 and half weeks...hmmm wonder why? Then on 25-Feb..."we are reasonably prepared" and "We need to start thinking about closing things down".
Fauci is part of the problem. He should have stuck with the medical science and kept out of politics.
You are not that stupid.... you either didn’t watch the video or did not apply any intellect to comprehend his statements.
Try this one:
Old Fauci is dumb. Said we all had nothing to worry about.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:09 pm
Easy, NY was hit early and hard and didn't have enough PPE for medical staff in hospitals, much less for anyone else, given the enormous increase in usage.
Florida came much later and received PPE on time. Helped to be a Trumpist on the latter, former was just luck.
That's why those 'missing 6 weeks' of not cranking up PPE production, testing, etc are so important and to have a national distribution system instead of states bidding against one another. We needed far more than we had. Still do.
The fact that the gubmint was caught with their pants around their ankles seems to surprise you. I know enough about how slow the procurement channels work in DC that it would not have mattered who the POTUS was. The POTUS could demand anything become top priority. You think the underlings, especially if they dislike a POTUS are honestly going to work any faster? POTUS screwed this up but there was no bright shining light anywhere around here in the world of Washington DC. It took people like a Fan to grab the bull by the horns and make up for the short comings of the federal government. The people of the USA are the ones who have bailed out their incompetent leadership. Our leaders screwed the pooch on many levels. The monday morning quarterbacking should wait until somebody, somewhere, somehow get this entire sh***y mess under control.
NO - failure to hold this administration's feet to the fire just allows it to get worse. Trump could have been a true leader, but was so damned afraid of messing up the stock market that he refused to things in his power that needed to be done as time was of the essence (and still is).
I understand your point and I don't disagree with it. I am not an expert on how government works but I do know one thing. The government responds to emergencies the same way the Titanic responded to that iceberg. They are too big and too slow to ever be able to make the turn in time. The BHO people were given months of warning about the dangers in Benghazi and they did nothing. The Trump people were given ample warning about what COVID might do to the country. Nobody in government no matter the party ever wants to deal with the worst case scenario. They will always dick f**k around looking for an easier way around the problem. That is how our government works. They are scared s***less about being the boy who cried wolf and getting it wrong from the start.
Here we go with Benghazi
That was not my point TLD. I knew one of the usual jackwagons here would not understand. I hope I can splain it for you in simple enough terms for you to comprehend. I was comparing the intelligence failure where BHOs folks IGNORED the threats being made in Benghazi. I was comparing that to the intelligence failure Trump made in the COVID screwup. It was not about what happened in Benghazi. It was about what happens when any POTUS ignores the critical information being given to them by people that understand the situation. I hope you understand now? I tried to make it clear enough for you and your self portrait.
More false equivalency.... Find a better comp....we have 50,000 people dead in a month and have lost trillions in economic value......looking for WMD’s is a more fitting analogy....chuck wagon is a better descriptor
You think if Trump had gone all in all this would have been avoided? It is not about a false anything. It is about what happens when you ignore what your smart people are telling you. GWB screw up is a valid comparison also. Why was his screwup even possible... 9/11/2001 is why. America was all ticked off. It is alot easier to motivate people to do what you want when they are angry. The point is not about body count, the point is what happens when you either ignore or delay the information given you. Sometimes 4 people die, sometimes 50 thousand people die. COVID blindsided the entire world. Woulda, shoulda, coulda is easy to say now. We are all Monday morning quarterbacks. [/color]Every monday morning I always know what my Buffalo Bills did to lose the game. It is so much easier to understand what went wrong after the game has been played.
ding ding ding.
I also know one guy, on 23-Jan....by the name of Dr. Fauci. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uosnJBDQ7yE that was waffling and talking soft on it. Then in this video on 7-Feb he is still saying "if there is and I hope it does not broaden" then convieniantly the skip ahead 2 and half weeks...hmmm wonder why? Then on 25-Feb..."we are reasonably prepared" and "We need to start thinking about closing things down".
Fauci is part of the problem. He should have stuck with the medical science and kept out of politics.
You are not that stupid.... you either didn’t watch the video or did not apply any intellect to comprehend his statements.
Try this one:
Old Fauci is dumb. Said we all had nothing to worry about.
His words again....And I only got thru the first 12 minutes. Thanks for providing the link and proving Fauci slow rolled this.
@ 8:25 "I am virtually certain the mortality rate will be much-much lower"
@ 9:05 " The overwhelming majority of those that have died are elderly or have underlying condition"
@ 9:25 " When you look at the demographic profile, it is clear there are not alot of children, and not alot of young people"
@ 9:45 "the numbers coming from other countries are quite small"
@11:42 "novel coronavirus is much like SARS"
to be clear, I am not minimizing the virus, I am casting a light on Fauci himself. He inserted himself into the public when he should have stayed embedded in the lab.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:09 pm
Easy, NY was hit early and hard and didn't have enough PPE for medical staff in hospitals, much less for anyone else, given the enormous increase in usage.
Florida came much later and received PPE on time. Helped to be a Trumpist on the latter, former was just luck.
That's why those 'missing 6 weeks' of not cranking up PPE production, testing, etc are so important and to have a national distribution system instead of states bidding against one another. We needed far more than we had. Still do.
The fact that the gubmint was caught with their pants around their ankles seems to surprise you. I know enough about how slow the procurement channels work in DC that it would not have mattered who the POTUS was. The POTUS could demand anything become top priority. You think the underlings, especially if they dislike a POTUS are honestly going to work any faster? POTUS screwed this up but there was no bright shining light anywhere around here in the world of Washington DC. It took people like a Fan to grab the bull by the horns and make up for the short comings of the federal government. The people of the USA are the ones who have bailed out their incompetent leadership. Our leaders screwed the pooch on many levels. The monday morning quarterbacking should wait until somebody, somewhere, somehow get this entire sh***y mess under control.
NO - failure to hold this administration's feet to the fire just allows it to get worse. Trump could have been a true leader, but was so damned afraid of messing up the stock market that he refused to things in his power that needed to be done as time was of the essence (and still is).
I understand your point and I don't disagree with it. I am not an expert on how government works but I do know one thing. The government responds to emergencies the same way the Titanic responded to that iceberg. They are too big and too slow to ever be able to make the turn in time. The BHO people were given months of warning about the dangers in Benghazi and they did nothing. The Trump people were given ample warning about what COVID might do to the country. Nobody in government no matter the party ever wants to deal with the worst case scenario. They will always dick f**k around looking for an easier way around the problem. That is how our government works. They are scared s***less about being the boy who cried wolf and getting it wrong from the start.
Here we go with Benghazi
That was not my point TLD. I knew one of the usual jackwagons here would not understand. I hope I can splain it for you in simple enough terms for you to comprehend. I was comparing the intelligence failure where BHOs folks IGNORED the threats being made in Benghazi. I was comparing that to the intelligence failure Trump made in the COVID screwup. It was not about what happened in Benghazi. It was about what happens when any POTUS ignores the critical information being given to them by people that understand the situation. I hope you understand now? I tried to make it clear enough for you and your self portrait.
More false equivalency.... Find a better comp....we have 50,000 people dead in a month and have lost trillions in economic value......looking for WMD’s is a more fitting analogy....chuck wagon is a better descriptor
You think if Trump had gone all in all this would have been avoided? It is not about a false anything. It is about what happens when you ignore what your smart people are telling you. GWB screw up is a valid comparison also. Why was his screwup even possible... 9/11/2001 is why. America was all ticked off. It is alot easier to motivate people to do what you want when they are angry. The point is not about body count, the point is what happens when you either ignore or delay the information given you. Sometimes 4 people die, sometimes 50 thousand people die. COVID blindsided the entire world. Woulda, shoulda, coulda is easy to say now. We are all Monday morning quarterbacks. [/color]Every monday morning I always know what my Buffalo Bills did to lose the game. It is so much easier to understand what went wrong after the game has been played.
ding ding ding.
I also know one guy, on 23-Jan....by the name of Dr. Fauci. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uosnJBDQ7yE that was waffling and talking soft on it. Then in this video on 7-Feb he is still saying "if there is and I hope it does not broaden" then convieniantly the skip ahead 2 and half weeks...hmmm wonder why? Then on 25-Feb..."we are reasonably prepared" and "We need to start thinking about closing things down".
Fauci is part of the problem. He should have stuck with the medical science and kept out of politics.
You are not that stupid.... you either didn’t watch the video or did not apply any intellect to comprehend his statements.
Try this one:
Old Fauci is dumb. Said we all had nothing to worry about.
His words again....And I only got thru the first 12 minutes. Thanks for providing the link and proving Fauci slow rolled this.
@ 8:25 "I am virtually certain the mortality rate will be much-much lower"
@ 9:05 " The overwhelming majority of those that have died are elderly or have underlying condition"
@ 9:25 " When you look at the demographic profile, it is clear there are not alot of children, and not alot of young people"
@ 9:45 "the numbers coming from other countries are quite small"
@11:42 "novel coronavirus is much like SARS"
to be clear, I am not minimizing the virus, I am casting a light on Fauci himself. He inserted himself into the public when he should have stayed embedded in the lab.
Nahh the media can’t tell me how to think. Lap it up dupes.
That guy does not have a good track record and his damned website still has the 1990's godaddy logo on it.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:41 pm
by youthathletics
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:17 pm
What did the President know and when did he know it?
If you watch your Fauci videos....too damned late.
You are always on the side of science in most debates and yet ignore that Fauci participated in slow rolling this. Sure Trump is a ding bat, and has tripped over his orange-d, but even when he listened to science people smarter than him...he was fed watered down info.
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:17 pm
What did the President know and when did he know it?
If you watch your Fauci videos....too damned late.
You are always on the side of science in most debates and yet ignore that Fauci participated in slow rolling this. Sure Trump is a ding bat, and has tripped over his orange-d, but even when he listened to science people smarter than him...he was fed watered down info.
Like I said, I was wrong.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:10 pm
by youthathletics
This is disheartening. Women screaming and crying in New York street, explaining she has had to live with a deceased body for 4 days....screaming at Mayor DeBliasio.
youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:10 pm
This is disheartening. Women screaming and crying in New York street, explaining she has had to live with a deceased body for 4 days....screaming at Mayor DeBliasio.
youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:10 pm
This is disheartening. Women screaming and crying in New York street, explaining she has had to live with a deceased body for 4 days....screaming at Mayor DeBliasio.
youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:10 pm
This is disheartening. Women screaming and crying in New York street, explaining she has had to live with a deceased body for 4 days....screaming at Mayor DeBliasio.
she doesn't say 4 days, she says for days. a quibble.
if it's true, it's another tragedy.
diblasio is just another con man.
Heart wrenching.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:38 pm
by old salt
Trinity wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:32 pm
No. This is only the third inning. Republican Senators need to tell Trump to resign or be reimpeached and then put a grownup in charge of this response and reopening. What’s General Petraeus doing? Or Admiral Stavrides?
Selling books. There's still time for the DNC to nominate Jeh Johnson.
youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:10 pm
This is disheartening. Women screaming and crying in New York street, explaining she has had to live with a deceased body for 4 days....screaming at Mayor DeBliasio.
We are not in the worst of all possible timelines. And yet, our hopes for the pandemic’s quick resolution should clearly be shelved. Taken together, the three major developments of the past few days paint a bleak picture of the months that lie ahead: COVID-19 is too deadly to let it rip through the population. An effective cure is not in sight. And the federal government is incapable of formulating a coherent pandemic response.
After weeks in which it made sense to hope that something would happen to end this nightmare, the prospects for deliverance are more remote than ever.
His herd immunity analysis is too simplistic. He applies the same mortality rate to the entire population, rather than isolating & protecting the high risk segment of the population until a vaccine becomes available &/or the virus burns out trying to spread through an ever increasing healthy herd.
Every article from an author residing in the NYC metro area should come with a disclaimer.
It's a unique situation requiring a unique strategy.
