Orange Duce

[CU77]

This is a horrible event. When the fires are put out and final tally of the cost is known guess who the folks of California will be looking to for aid, comfort and financial support... probably some guy with the initials DJT??

Hey, C&S, here in California we are a big-time maker state. We ship TONS more money to the feds (for them to hand out to the Red state takers) than we get back, no matter how many fires there are.

Want to give us all that money back? We'll handle the fires.

[runrussellrun]

I for one would LOVE to have MORE California "making" money, especially from the produce pickers higher wages. Alas, when you pay a human being 2 cents to pick a head of lettuce.....or 7 1/2 cents doesn't mean a heck of a thing, but give it to me every hour, 40 hours every weeks......we've figured it out.

Imagine how much MORE California would send to Washington DC if they only paid migrant workers, legal or not, what Dr. Ford gets paid to "teach" or "research" shrink stuff. More income, more income tax.

CAL Berkeley , sure they can go without the paltry $150 million, just from the NIH alone. Stanford gets VERY little from NIH as well. They can give Iowa the $500 million they get from NIH.

NSF does give research grants to "fly over" states, certainly proportional to populations

Sell this to the "low information" voters.......willing to bet your income is derived, at most, 3 degrees of seperation from Fed. welfare trough.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I for one would LOVE to have MORE California "making" money, especially from the produce pickers higher wages. Alas, when you pay a human being 2 cents to pick a head of lettuce.....or 7 1/2 cents doesn't mean a heck of a thing, but give it to me every hour, 40 hours every weeks......we've figured it out.

Imagine how much MORE California would send to Washington DC if they only paid migrant workers, legal or not, what Dr. Ford gets paid to "teach" or "research" shrink stuff. More income, more income tax.

CAL Berkeley , sure they can go without the paltry $150 million, just from the NIH alone. Stanford gets VERY little from NIH as well. They can give Iowa the $500 million they get from NIH.

NSF does give research grants to "fly over" states, certainly proportional to populations

Sell this to the "low information" voters.......willing to bet your income is derived, at most, 3 degrees of seperation from Fed. welfare trough.

Do you know what has been the return on research funded by the government since WWII?

[old salt]

CU-77 -- this is not the time to evaluate policy, but has there been any serious discussion within CA about how to effectively mitigate & reduce the wildfire risk. It would seem that a large scale, significant near term effort is required, beyond waiting for a reversal of climate change. El Nino & Santa Ana will never go away.

Stay safe. Thoughts & prayers don't put out the fires, but you & your neighbors have mine.

[runrussellrun]

I for one would LOVE to have MORE California "making" money, especially from the produce pickers higher wages. Alas, when you pay a human being 2 cents to pick a head of lettuce.....or 7 1/2 cents doesn't mean a heck of a thing, but give it to me every hour, 40 hours every weeks......we've figured it out.

Imagine how much MORE California would send to Washington DC if they only paid migrant workers, legal or not, what Dr. Ford gets paid to "teach" or "research" shrink stuff. More income, more income tax.

CAL Berkeley , sure they can go without the paltry $150 million, just from the NIH alone. Stanford gets VERY little from NIH as well. They can give Iowa the $500 million they get from NIH.

NSF does give research grants to "fly over" states, certainly proportional to populations

Sell this to the "low information" voters.......willing to bet your income is derived, at most, 3 degrees of seperation from Fed. welfare trough.

Do you know what has been the return on research funded by the government since WWII?

I really have no idea what you are asking. When you say "return", do you mean profits? Since the 1980 Bayh-Dole act?

And, all this time, I thought non-profits weren't interested in "returns". Funny, how the F can a publically funded college be given non profit status to begin with

[Typical Lax Dad]

I for one would LOVE to have MORE California "making" money, especially from the produce pickers higher wages. Alas, when you pay a human being 2 cents to pick a head of lettuce.....or 7 1/2 cents doesn't mean a heck of a thing, but give it to me every hour, 40 hours every weeks......we've figured it out.

Imagine how much MORE California would send to Washington DC if they only paid migrant workers, legal or not, what Dr. Ford gets paid to "teach" or "research" shrink stuff. More income, more income tax.

CAL Berkeley , sure they can go without the paltry $150 million, just from the NIH alone. Stanford gets VERY little from NIH as well. They can give Iowa the $500 million they get from NIH.

NSF does give research grants to "fly over" states, certainly proportional to populations

Sell this to the "low information" voters.......willing to bet your income is derived, at most, 3 degrees of seperation from Fed. welfare trough.

Do you know what has been the return on research funded by the government since WWII?

I really have no idea what you are asking. When you say "return", do you mean profits? Since the 1980 Bayh-Dole act?

And, all this time, I thought non-profits weren't interested in "returns". Funny, how the F can a publically funded college be given non profit status to begin with

How many jobs have been created and how much corporate and personal tax revenue has been generated from commercial spin outs from Universities? It has been a good use of federal funds to stimulate economic activity. Like anything, not every investment will see a return.

[cradleandshoot]

This is a horrible event. When the fires are put out and final tally of the cost is known guess who the folks of California will be looking to for aid, comfort and financial support... probably some guy with the initials DJT??

Hey, C&S, here in California we are a big-time maker state. We ship TONS more money to the feds (for them to hand out to the Red state takers) than we get back, no matter how many fires there are.

Want to give us all that money back? We'll handle the fires.

No problem about that from me. If you think the folks that run your state will spend that money in a wise and prudent fashion? What I have observed from the people that run California is if you give them whatever billions they request it will be whizzed away on everything else but what they wanted the money for in the first place. Then they will still want the other 49 states to then bail their asses out. Give us a number as to what you folks need to fight the fires and America will give it to you. If you fail at that task then go figure it out for yourselves. Not to be cold hearted but then I don't give a rats rear end if your entire state burns to the ground. Many folks in California want to be your own free and independent nation. There is a part of me that so very much says please... let them do it. I apologize in advance for my bad attitude. I just spent the last 4 hours raking up and bagging leaves and my back is killing me and I still have to go out and do the back yard. Not a lot of compassion in these old bones right now.

[MDlaxfan76]

This is a horrible event. When the fires are put out and final tally of the cost is known guess who the folks of California will be looking to for aid, comfort and financial support... probably some guy with the initials DJT??

Hey, C&S, here in California we are a big-time maker state. We ship TONS more money to the feds (for them to hand out to the Red state takers) than we get back, no matter how many fires there are.

Want to give us all that money back? We'll handle the fires.

No problem about that from me. If you think the folks that run your state will spend that money in a wise and prudent fashion? What I have observed from the people that run California is if you give them whatever billions they request it will be whizzed away on everything else but what they wanted the money for in the first place. Then they will still want the other 49 states to then bail their asses out. Give us a number as to what you folks need to fight the fires and America will give it to you. If you fail at that task then go figure it out for yourselves. Not to be cold hearted but then I don't give a rats rear end if your entire state burns to the ground. Many folks in California want to be your own free and independent nation. There is a part of me that so very much says please... let them do it. I apologize in advance for my bad attitude. I just spent the last 4 hours raking up and bagging leaves and my back is killing me and I still have to go out and do the back yard. Not a lot of compassion in these old bones right now.

Raking and bagging leaves can indeed leave one cranky and sore, CS.

But here's the thing: California taxpayers really do pay into the federal coffers way more than they take out. The rest of us would need to pay higher taxes if we didn't have their disproportionate contribution.

I don't know about you, but I'm pleased to not have to pay more. (My state of MD, your's of NY, etc are also contributing disproportionately; want to pay even more?)

[seacoaster]

Anyone have a problem with the President demanding that the counting of votes be stopped?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... d7159bd80f

....even though Florida law requires that overseas and military votes that arrive by Friday must be counted?

[CU77]

CU-77 -- this is not the time to evaluate policy, but has there been any serious discussion within CA about how to effectively mitigate & reduce the wildfire risk. It would seem that a large scale, significant near term effort is required, beyond waiting for a reversal of climate change. El Nino & Santa Ana will never go away.

Stay safe. Thoughts & prayers don't put out the fires, but you & your neighbors have mine.

It's not an easy problem, mainly because many people like to live near the wild areas, and quite a few have built expensive homes there. Tell them that they can't do that, and they'll decry gubmint interference in the free market.

I'm no forest-management expert, but I know that plans for controlled burns that would mitigate future wildfires are sometimes derailed by NIMBYs. Who have a point that "controlled" burns can very easily become uncontrolled, despite all best practices.

The perennial fire problem has been greatly exacerbated by the severe droughts of recent years that have turned much of the back country into a giant tinderbox, and the persistence of warm weather later and later into the Fall. In years past, my wife & I would try to see if we could make it to Halloween without turning on the furnace. The past few years, we've been wishing we had air conditioning.

[runrussellrun]

I for one would LOVE to have MORE California "making" money, especially from the produce pickers higher wages. Alas, when you pay a human being 2 cents to pick a head of lettuce.....or 7 1/2 cents doesn't mean a heck of a thing, but give it to me every hour, 40 hours every weeks......we've figured it out.

Imagine how much MORE California would send to Washington DC if they only paid migrant workers, legal or not, what Dr. Ford gets paid to "teach" or "research" shrink stuff. More income, more income tax.

CAL Berkeley , sure they can go without the paltry $150 million, just from the NIH alone. Stanford gets VERY little from NIH as well. They can give Iowa the $500 million they get from NIH.

NSF does give research grants to "fly over" states, certainly proportional to populations

Sell this to the "low information" voters.......willing to bet your income is derived, at most, 3 degrees of seperation from Fed. welfare trough.

Do you know what has been the return on research funded by the government since WWII?

I really have no idea what you are asking. When you say "return", do you mean profits? Since the 1980 Bayh-Dole act?

And, all this time, I thought non-profits weren't interested in "returns". Funny, how the F can a publically funded college be given non profit status to begin with

How many jobs have been created and how much corporate and personal tax revenue has been generated from commercial spin outs from Universities? It has been a good use of federal funds to stimulate economic activity. Like anything, not every investment will see a return.

Can you name ONE commercial spin out from college research, funded by Fed tax dollars.

And, once again, I have zero problem with CAPasocialism based economy, if only for:

-Don't act superior to our nations neighbors because you get well fed (tax funded welfare), and point to the large turds (taxes paid) you carp out as it's something specials.
-Don't pretend to care about humans when you spit in the face of the idea of having a salary CAP ( 20 to 1 ) at spin outs, or other entities, reliant on fed $$$ stimulation.

[a fan]

[Can you name ONE commercial spin out from college research, funded by Fed tax dollars.

You played this game before. Rather than list the millions of things like why do you suppose our military is superior to all others....I'll just list one thing:

The Internet. Game over.


Do you think it's a coincidence that Silicon Valley is where it is?

Why haven't we had another Dust Bowl? Coincidence? Happenstance? Or maybe it's all that Federal research into Ag, all while dispensing knowledge and hardware to farmers for free?

[runrussellrun]

This is a horrible event. When the fires are put out and final tally of the cost is known guess who the folks of California will be looking to for aid, comfort and financial support... probably some guy with the initials DJT??

Hey, C&S, here in California we are a big-time maker state. We ship TONS more money to the feds (for them to hand out to the Red state takers) than we get back, no matter how many fires there are.

Want to give us all that money back? We'll handle the fires.

No problem about that from me. If you think the folks that run your state will spend that money in a wise and prudent fashion? What I have observed from the people that run California is if you give them whatever billions they request it will be whizzed away on everything else but what they wanted the money for in the first place. Then they will still want the other 49 states to then bail their asses out. Give us a number as to what you folks need to fight the fires and America will give it to you. If you fail at that task then go figure it out for yourselves. Not to be cold hearted but then I don't give a rats rear end if your entire state burns to the ground. Many folks in California want to be your own free and independent nation. There is a part of me that so very much says please... let them do it. I apologize in advance for my bad attitude. I just spent the last 4 hours raking up and bagging leaves and my back is killing me and I still have to go out and do the back yard. Not a lot of compassion in these old bones right now.

Raking and bagging leaves can indeed leave one cranky and sore, CS.

But here's the thing: California taxpayers really do pay into the federal coffers way more than they take out. The rest of us would need to pay higher taxes if we didn't have their disproportionate contribution.

I don't know about you, but I'm pleased to not have to pay more. (My state of MD, your's of NY, etc are also contributing disproportionately; want to pay even more?)

Is this why California has ZERO budget issues? You are naive to think that California doesn't get more than they give. Remember, I count the discounted aviation fuel that googles climate earths changing warming Exec. hypocrites got.....for years.......as getting. Not giving.

[runrussellrun]

[Can you name ONE commercial spin out from college research, funded by Fed tax dollars.

You played this game before. Rather than list the millions of things like why do you suppose our military is superior to all others....I'll just list one thing:

The Internet. Game over.


Do you think it's a coincidence that Silicon Valley is where it is?

Why haven't we had another Dust Bowl? Coincidence? Happenstance? Or maybe it's all that Federal research into Ag, all while dispensing knowledge and hardware to farmers for free?

Military superiority is based on the internet? the vague military is the commercial spin out we are really going to as an example of college research. What college invented the internet?

Farmers get john deere or catepillar for free? wtheck are you talking about? We haven't had prohibition for a while either, even though plenty of Fed dollar research shows how horrible drinking ethanol products is to our society & body. book1

Why is silicon valley where silicon valley is? Probably cheap land at the time? tax break?

[Typical Lax Dad]

[Can you name ONE commercial spin out from college research, funded by Fed tax dollars.

You played this game before. Rather than list the millions of things like why do you suppose our military is superior to all others....I'll just list one thing:

The Internet. Game over.


Do you think it's a coincidence that Silicon Valley is where it is?

Why haven't we had another Dust Bowl? Coincidence? Happenstance? Or maybe it's all that Federal research into Ag, all while dispensing knowledge and hardware to farmers for free?

Exactly....

[runrussellrun]

[Can you name ONE commercial spin out from college research, funded by Fed tax dollars.

You played this game before. Rather than list the millions of things like why do you suppose our military is superior to all others....I'll just list one thing:

The Internet. Game over.


Do you think it's a coincidence that Silicon Valley is where it is?

Why haven't we had another Dust Bowl? Coincidence? Happenstance? Or maybe it's all that Federal research into Ag, all while dispensing knowledge and hardware to farmers for free?

Exactly....

No....not exactly.

Dust bowl? Perfect example.

Who brags about being a giver, rather than taker? The folks of Oklahoma, or California? Home of the Joads, one would figure that the Univeristy of Oklahoma, or OSU, would get way more research dollars for soil retention, fertilizers that wouldn't wash away with rain, etc.

Do you really think THAT is the case

(The entire University of California system functions as that state’s “land-grant institution.”)

Did federal research stop dust bowls prior to the 1930's? Or, did farmers suddenly forget dryland techniques, thought of nearly a century prior by Johann Cornies. Or Hugh Bennet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... 78ihulTx1k

[a fan]

Military superiority is based on the internet?

No. It's based on technological superiority. Where do you think think that comes from? You think Lockheed is doing it all? What do you think all that money pouring into Hopkins Physics Department is for? Sweet lockers? Gold plated slide-rules?

What college invented the internet?

You can't possibly not know where and how the internet was founded.

Farmers get john deere or catepillar for free? wtheck are you talking about?

First of all, you know doggone well there are Federal loans, Federal insurance for farming equipment.

Second of all, who do you think invented the GPS systems that run combines? I can tell you, because my dad worked on it in the 70's while at the Department of Interior, when computers still run on reel to reel tape. He was 2nd in command for the design and implementation of ALMRS, which put all Federal land on a GPS. This allowed Fed agencies to understand what we had in terms of Federal land. From there they can fix rates for oil, mineral, or grazing rights. That R&D was all done by the Federal government, my friend.

Why is silicon valley where silicon valley is? Probably cheap land at the time? tax break?

Keep playing dumb. How about this: why didn't Silicon Valley pop up around IBM in NY State? That was ground zero for American computing, right?

[a fan]

Did federal research stop dust bowls prior to the 1930's? Or, did farmers suddenly forget dryland techniques, thought of nearly a century prior by Johann Cornies. Or Hugh Bennet?

Dude. You're playing dumb again. There's no way you don't understand what caused the Dust Bowl. And there's no way you don't know that Federal spending went way up to make sure it never happened again.

You're more of a contrarian than my 4 year old daughter is, my friend. You're arguing settled fact.

[runrussellrun]

Did federal research stop dust bowls prior to the 1930's? Or, did farmers suddenly forget dryland techniques, thought of nearly a century prior by Johann Cornies. Or Hugh Bennet?

Dude. You're playing dumb again. There's no way you don't understand what caused the Dust Bowl. And there's no way you don't know that Federal spending went way up to make sure it never happened again.

You're more of a contrarian than my 4 year old daughter is, my friend. You're arguing settled fact.

Perhaps an Oscar is inline for me in the future?

AFAN, you are taking my points out of context. CALIFORNIA is the topic. FIRES is the topic. TAX dollars, giveth or taketh is the topic. And whether California takes more than they give. Hence my google Execs getting avaition fuel on the cheap, as a Federal handout. Thousands of examples of taking that NEVER make the list.
Again, the point isn't about Federal tax dollars providing some benefits, some good. It's the 10,000 hours (tax dollars) spent doing something, referenced in Outliers book. California is getting all the hours (dollars) and pretend elite liberals are chest thumping that they are superior, b/c they get all the money in the first place. That is the ONLY point I am making. You and TLD are going off on some weird tangent.
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And NO, I do not know WHICH college/s invented the internet. Why the F would I ask?

[cradleandshoot]

This is a horrible event. When the fires are put out and final tally of the cost is known guess who the folks of California will be looking to for aid, comfort and financial support... probably some guy with the initials DJT??

Hey, C&S, here in California we are a big-time maker state. We ship TONS more money to the feds (for them to hand out to the Red state takers) than we get back, no matter how many fires there are.

Want to give us all that money back? We'll handle the fires.

No problem about that from me. If you think the folks that run your state will spend that money in a wise and prudent fashion? What I have observed from the people that run California is if you give them whatever billions they request it will be whizzed away on everything else but what they wanted the money for in the first place. Then they will still want the other 49 states to then bail their asses out. Give us a number as to what you folks need to fight the fires and America will give it to you. If you fail at that task then go figure it out for yourselves. Not to be cold hearted but then I don't give a rats rear end if your entire state burns to the ground. Many folks in California want to be your own free and independent nation. There is a part of me that so very much says please... let them do it. I apologize in advance for my bad attitude. I just spent the last 4 hours raking up and bagging leaves and my back is killing me and I still have to go out and do the back yard. Not a lot of compassion in these old bones right now.

Raking and bagging leaves can indeed leave one cranky and sore, CS.

But here's the thing: California taxpayers really do pay into the federal coffers way more than they take out. The rest of us would need to pay higher taxes if we didn't have their disproportionate contribution.

I don't know about you, but I'm pleased to not have to pay more. (My state of MD, your's of NY, etc are also contributing disproportionately; want to pay even more?)

I just did the back yard so I am more sore and cranky and answering you right now would not go well. I do have friends that live in California and not a one would tell me they are under taxed at the federal and state levels. Sort of like how things work here in my State of New York. In NYS I know we have 2 US Senators that work very hard at bringing home the bacon to as much of the state as they can. It gets to be a convoluted little game. You send x amount of money to the feds then you work your tail off to get as much of that money sent back to your state as possible. I don't know the answer to this but how much of that money comes back to California from the efforts of their US senators to bring home the bacon? It is sort of like the shell game trying to find out where the little ball is. It moves around all over but eventually comes back to where the person moving the shells wants it to be.