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Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:39 pm
by old salt
runrussellrun wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 1:53 pm
https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trum ... part-1.php


What follows is the story of Trump, Russia, and the press. Trump’s attacks against media outlets and individual reporters are a well-known theme of his campaigns. But news outlets and watchdogs haven’t been as forthright in examining their own Trump-Russia coverage, which includes serious flaws.

On the eve of a new era of intense political coverage, this is a look back at what the press got right, and what it got wrong, about the man who once again wants to be president. So far, few news organizations have reckoned seriously with what transpired between the press and the presidency during this period. That failure will almost certainly shape the coverage of what lies ahead.

 Chapter 1: A narrative takes hold

As Trump began to nail down the GOP nomination in 2016, he spoke critically about NATO. He focused mostly on America’s disproportionate share of the financial burden, though he occasionally called the alliance “obsolete” in an era of counterterrorism and voiced his hope to “get along” with Putin, prompting some concerns inside the national-security world.

Those concerns would be supercharged by a small group of former journalists turned private investigators who operated out of a small office near Dupont Circle in Washington under the name Fusion GPS.

Trump, unaware of any plan to tie him to the Kremlin, pumped life into the sputtering Russia narrative. Asked about the DNC hacks by reporters at his Trump National Doral Miami golf resort on July 27, he said, “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the thirty thousand emails that are missing.” The quip was picked up everywhere. Clinton national-security aide Jake Sullivan quickly seized on the remarks, calling them “a national-security issue.” The comment became a major exhibit over the next several years for those who believed Trump had an untoward relationship with Russia. Clinton’s own Russia baggage, meantime, began to fade into the background.

Hope Hicks, Trump’s press aide, later testified to Congress that she told Trump some in the media were taking his statement “quite literally” but that she believed it was “a joke.”

I asked Trump what he meant. “If you look at the whole tape,” he said in an interview, “it is obvious that it was being said sarcastically,” a point he made at the time.

I reviewed the tape. After several minutes of repeated questions about Russia, Trump’s facial demeanor evolved, to what seemed like his TV entertainer mode; that’s when, in response to a final Russia question, he said the widely quoted words. Then, appearing to be playful, he said the leakers “would probably be rewarded mightily by the press” if they found Clinton’s long-lost emails, because they contained “some beauties.” Trump, after talking with Hicks that day in Florida, sought to control the damage by tweeting that whoever had Clinton’s deleted emails “should share them with the FBI.”

That didn’t mute the response. Sullivan immediately jumped in, saying the remarks at Doral encouraged “espionage.”

The 2016 dossier’s conspiracy claim was never corroborated by the media, and the supposed plot involving the Russian bank, Alfa Bank, didn’t fare much better. Still, that fall Fritsch made frantic efforts to persuade reporters from several outlets, including Isikoff, to publish the bank story. Their best hope appeared to be the Times.

The Clinton campaign, in mid-September, was eagerly anticipating a “bombshell” story on “Trump-Russia” from the Times. It was causing a “Trump freak out,” headlined a private September 18 memo by Sidney Blumenthal, a longtime close Clinton confidant.

In early October, the intelligence community put out a brief statement concluding that Russia had been behind the recent hacks, a pattern of behavior “not new to Moscow.” But, the report continued, it would be “extremely difficult,” even for a nation-state, to alter voter ballots or election data.

The report was quickly lost in a frenzied news cycle.

... It also noted the FBI believed the hacking operation “was aimed at disrupting the presidential election rather than electing Mr. Trump.

That Halloween night the Clinton campaign, anticipating the imminent publication of the Alfa Bank story, was prepared to “light it up,” Fritsch emailed a reporter that morning. Another story Fusion helped arrange appeared that day, too, in the left-leaning magazine Mother Jones. It said a “veteran spy” had provided the FBI information about an alleged five-year Russian operation to cultivate and coordinate with Trump. That came from Steele’s dossier. Within hours, the FBI contacted Steele, who “confirmed” he had been a source for the article. After working with the bureau for several months as a confidential informant on the Russia inquiry, he was terminated by the FBI, bureau documents show.

At 8:36 at night on October 31, the campaign lit up, as Fritsch promised, on Twitter. Hillary tweeted out a statement by Jake Sullivan about “Trump’s secret line of communication to Russia.” Her aide only cited the Slate story on Alfa Bank.

Clinton had also been aware of the Times’ unpublished story. She hoped it “would push the Russia story onto the front burner of the election,” but was “crestfallen” when an aide showed her the headline...

In December, President Obama secretly ordered a quick assessment by the intelligence community of Russia’s involvement in the election. Instead of the usual group of seventeen agencies, however, it was coordinated by the Director of National Intelligence and produced by the National Security Agency, which gathers electronic intercepts, the CIA, and the FBI.

In mid-December the Post reported that the FBI now backed the CIA view that Russia aimed to help Trump win the election, compared with a broader set of motivations, as the Times had reported on October 31. Strzok, the FBI official running the probe, texted a colleague about the unprecedented wave of leaks: “our sisters have been leaking like mad,” he wrote, referring to intelligence agencies like the CIA. Strzok now believes the leaks originated elsewhere. “I now believe,” he told me in a 2022 interview, “that it is more likely they came not from the CIA but from senior levels of the US government or Congress.”

Trump, unaware of the coming tornado, including the most salacious contents of the dossier, set out to form a government and make peace with the press. He made the rounds of news organizations, meeting with broadcast anchors, editors at Condé Nast magazines, and the Times.

A note on disclosure

Has America ever needed a media watchdog more than now? Help us by joining CJR today.

Jeff Gerth is a freelance journalist who spent three decades as an investigative reporter at the New York Times.
:shock: ...the sound of crickets chirping in this forum is deafening.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:55 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
old salt wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:39 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 1:53 pm
https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trum ... part-1.php


What follows is the story of Trump, Russia, and the press. Trump’s attacks against media outlets and individual reporters are a well-known theme of his campaigns. But news outlets and watchdogs haven’t been as forthright in examining their own Trump-Russia coverage, which includes serious flaws.

On the eve of a new era of intense political coverage, this is a look back at what the press got right, and what it got wrong, about the man who once again wants to be president. So far, few news organizations have reckoned seriously with what transpired between the press and the presidency during this period. That failure will almost certainly shape the coverage of what lies ahead.

 Chapter 1: A narrative takes hold

As Trump began to nail down the GOP nomination in 2016, he spoke critically about NATO. He focused mostly on America’s disproportionate share of the financial burden, though he occasionally called the alliance “obsolete” in an era of counterterrorism and voiced his hope to “get along” with Putin, prompting some concerns inside the national-security world.

Those concerns would be supercharged by a small group of former journalists turned private investigators who operated out of a small office near Dupont Circle in Washington under the name Fusion GPS.

Trump, unaware of any plan to tie him to the Kremlin, pumped life into the sputtering Russia narrative. Asked about the DNC hacks by reporters at his Trump National Doral Miami golf resort on July 27, he said, “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the thirty thousand emails that are missing.” The quip was picked up everywhere. Clinton national-security aide Jake Sullivan quickly seized on the remarks, calling them “a national-security issue.” The comment became a major exhibit over the next several years for those who believed Trump had an untoward relationship with Russia. Clinton’s own Russia baggage, meantime, began to fade into the background.

Hope Hicks, Trump’s press aide, later testified to Congress that she told Trump some in the media were taking his statement “quite literally” but that she believed it was “a joke.”

I asked Trump what he meant. “If you look at the whole tape,” he said in an interview, “it is obvious that it was being said sarcastically,” a point he made at the time.

I reviewed the tape. After several minutes of repeated questions about Russia, Trump’s facial demeanor evolved, to what seemed like his TV entertainer mode; that’s when, in response to a final Russia question, he said the widely quoted words. Then, appearing to be playful, he said the leakers “would probably be rewarded mightily by the press” if they found Clinton’s long-lost emails, because they contained “some beauties.” Trump, after talking with Hicks that day in Florida, sought to control the damage by tweeting that whoever had Clinton’s deleted emails “should share them with the FBI.”

That didn’t mute the response. Sullivan immediately jumped in, saying the remarks at Doral encouraged “espionage.”

The 2016 dossier’s conspiracy claim was never corroborated by the media, and the supposed plot involving the Russian bank, Alfa Bank, didn’t fare much better. Still, that fall Fritsch made frantic efforts to persuade reporters from several outlets, including Isikoff, to publish the bank story. Their best hope appeared to be the Times.

The Clinton campaign, in mid-September, was eagerly anticipating a “bombshell” story on “Trump-Russia” from the Times. It was causing a “Trump freak out,” headlined a private September 18 memo by Sidney Blumenthal, a longtime close Clinton confidant.

In early October, the intelligence community put out a brief statement concluding that Russia had been behind the recent hacks, a pattern of behavior “not new to Moscow.” But, the report continued, it would be “extremely difficult,” even for a nation-state, to alter voter ballots or election data.

The report was quickly lost in a frenzied news cycle.

... It also noted the FBI believed the hacking operation “was aimed at disrupting the presidential election rather than electing Mr. Trump.

That Halloween night the Clinton campaign, anticipating the imminent publication of the Alfa Bank story, was prepared to “light it up,” Fritsch emailed a reporter that morning. Another story Fusion helped arrange appeared that day, too, in the left-leaning magazine Mother Jones. It said a “veteran spy” had provided the FBI information about an alleged five-year Russian operation to cultivate and coordinate with Trump. That came from Steele’s dossier. Within hours, the FBI contacted Steele, who “confirmed” he had been a source for the article. After working with the bureau for several months as a confidential informant on the Russia inquiry, he was terminated by the FBI, bureau documents show.

At 8:36 at night on October 31, the campaign lit up, as Fritsch promised, on Twitter. Hillary tweeted out a statement by Jake Sullivan about “Trump’s secret line of communication to Russia.” Her aide only cited the Slate story on Alfa Bank.

Clinton had also been aware of the Times’ unpublished story. She hoped it “would push the Russia story onto the front burner of the election,” but was “crestfallen” when an aide showed her the headline...

In December, President Obama secretly ordered a quick assessment by the intelligence community of Russia’s involvement in the election. Instead of the usual group of seventeen agencies, however, it was coordinated by the Director of National Intelligence and produced by the National Security Agency, which gathers electronic intercepts, the CIA, and the FBI.

In mid-December the Post reported that the FBI now backed the CIA view that Russia aimed to help Trump win the election, compared with a broader set of motivations, as the Times had reported on October 31. Strzok, the FBI official running the probe, texted a colleague about the unprecedented wave of leaks: “our sisters have been leaking like mad,” he wrote, referring to intelligence agencies like the CIA. Strzok now believes the leaks originated elsewhere. “I now believe,” he told me in a 2022 interview, “that it is more likely they came not from the CIA but from senior levels of the US government or Congress.”

Trump, unaware of the coming tornado, including the most salacious contents of the dossier, set out to form a government and make peace with the press. He made the rounds of news organizations, meeting with broadcast anchors, editors at Condé Nast magazines, and the Times.

A note on disclosure

Has America ever needed a media watchdog more than now? Help us by joining CJR today.

Jeff Gerth is a freelance journalist who spent three decades as an investigative reporter at the New York Times.
:shock: ...the sound of crickets chirping in this forum is deafening.


Your boy helped Trump and hurt Hillary.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:57 pm
by Typical Lax Dad

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:59 pm
by Typical Lax Dad


Did you also believe him when he said he would only put in the tip?

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:55 pm
by MDlaxfan76
old salt wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 2:53 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:55 pm

Old Salt’s guy Vlad ain’t giving up without a fight! He is within his right to take Ukraine.
This one's better.
Very good interview with her.
I tend to think she's right on the money.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:01 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:55 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 2:53 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:55 pm

Old Salt’s guy Vlad ain’t giving up without a fight! He is within his right to take Ukraine.
This one's better.
Very good interview with her.
I tend to think she's right on the money.
Great documentary.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:10 pm
by NattyBohChamps04
Something Something Charles McGonigal... Whoops.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:30 pm
by Typical Lax Dad

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:37 pm
by old salt
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:55 pm Very good interview with her.
I tend to think she's right on the money.
This one's really good too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV5aFnB-1ec&t=936s

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 11:05 pm
by a fan
old salt wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:39 pm :shock: ...the sound of crickets chirping in this forum is deafening.
:lol: Because it's the same half-wit, idiotic story you've been telling us for all these years, where you "forget" to tell us 90% of the story...

No mention of Flynn's firing and why he was fired, and found guilty of lying
No mention of Freaking Manafort. FFS, gee...ya think that's a important detail for the press?
No mention of allllllll they lies that landed TeampTrump in jail, and took the FBI and Mueller on a pointless wild goose chase.
No mention of Trump foolishly firing the guy investigating him.
No mention of TeamTrump lying to the media anytime Russia is mentioned. "Trump Tower Moscow? Never heard of it"
No mention of meeting a Russian spy in Trump tower, looking for info. on Hillary to help win the election

And dozens of other "details" that you stomp your feet and hold your breath, and pretend never happened.

And then claim that the media was out to get him.....all while telling us yourself that Trump was, and I quote, "unfit for office."

How dare the media acknowledge that you're right, Old Salt, that yes....Trump is unfit for office!

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:52 am
by old salt
a fan wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 11:05 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:39 pm :shock: ...the sound of crickets chirping in this forum is deafening.
:lol: Because it's the same half-wit, idiotic story you've been telling us for all these years, where you "forget" to tell us 90% of the story...

No mention of Flynn's firing and why he was fired, and found guilty of lying
No mention of Freaking Manafort. FFS, gee...ya think that's a important detail for the press?
No mention of allllllll they lies that landed TeampTrump in jail, and took the FBI and Mueller on a pointless wild goose chase.
No mention of Trump foolishly firing the guy investigating him.
No mention of TeamTrump lying to the media anytime Russia is mentioned. "Trump Tower Moscow? Never heard of it"
No mention of meeting a Russian spy in Trump tower, looking for info. on Hillary to help win the election

And dozens of other "details" that you stomp your feet and hold your breath, and pretend never happened.

And then claim that the media was out to get him.....all while telling us yourself that Trump was, and I quote, "unfit for office."

How dare the media acknowledge that you're right, Old Salt, that yes....Trump is unfit for office!
:lol: ...yeah, the Clinton campaign's Russian disinformation op, aided by a complicit msm & partisan hacks in the DoJ, FBI, IC & other Deep State partisans, had nothing to do with it. The Russian's influence was minimal, compared to what Fusion GPS & Christopher Steele were paid to provide. The FBI/DoJ cabal knew it was a wild goose chase before Mueller was launched. They failed to prevent Trump's election so the mission became to end his Presidency. The details are starting to come out & a lot of them are from the evidence brought forward by Durham's investigation.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:12 am
by dislaxxic
Trump and Old Swabby get treated SO unfairly.

..

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:43 am
by a fan
old salt wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:52 am
a fan wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 11:05 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:39 pm :shock: ...the sound of crickets chirping in this forum is deafening.
:lol: Because it's the same half-wit, idiotic story you've been telling us for all these years, where you "forget" to tell us 90% of the story...

No mention of Flynn's firing and why he was fired, and found guilty of lying
No mention of Freaking Manafort. FFS, gee...ya think that's a important detail for the press?
No mention of allllllll they lies that landed TeampTrump in jail, and took the FBI and Mueller on a pointless wild goose chase.
No mention of Trump foolishly firing the guy investigating him.
No mention of TeamTrump lying to the media anytime Russia is mentioned. "Trump Tower Moscow? Never heard of it"
No mention of meeting a Russian spy in Trump tower, looking for info. on Hillary to help win the election

And dozens of other "details" that you stomp your feet and hold your breath, and pretend never happened.

And then claim that the media was out to get him.....all while telling us yourself that Trump was, and I quote, "unfit for office."

How dare the media acknowledge that you're right, Old Salt, that yes....Trump is unfit for office!
:lol: ...yeah, the Clinton campaign's Russian disinformation op, aided by a complicit msm & partisan hacks in the DoJ, FBI, IC & other Deep State partisans, had nothing to do with it. The Russian's influence was minimal, compared to what Fusion GPS & Christopher Steele were paid to provide. The FBI/DoJ cabal knew it was a wild goose chase before Mueller was launched. They failed to prevent Trump's election so the mission became to end his Presidency. The details are starting to come out & a lot of them are from the evidence brought forward by Durham's investigation.
"The Details are starting to come out...." :lol: :lol: It's been SIX YEARS.

All you do, over and over, is make my points for me. You trundle over all the lies and the, gee, I don't know Old Salt......f'ing felony convictions of TeamTrump. :lol: How dumb does someone need to be to NOT understand that a Felon Conviction tells you: hey, this investigation was worthwhile? It's literally the point of ANY investigation, anywhere on Earth.

Yet here you are, 6 years later, telling us that the 5 members of Team Trump that were found guilty of mother-f-ing Felonies "doesn't count" as criminal behavior, and didn't merit the initial FBI investigation. :lol:

And you're STILL claiming these investigations were unjustified and corrupt. There isn't an honest citizen in America who isn't OVERJOYED that the FBI looks into liars that hold power, and that the DoJ prosecutes them in a Court of law...and gets convictions. Makes me wonder how many felonies you have on your record if you are telling us that this is just no big deal.


And OF COURSE the F'ing DoJ and FBI knew it was a wild goose chase before Mueller was appointed by a F'ing Republican. How many times did I tell you that AS IT WAS HAPPENING??

But because you pretend to be a doddering moron anytime your party is involved, you IGNORE that Trump fired the guy who was about to clear Trump. But you and FoxNation are pretending to be SO dumb, that you don't know that. FoxNation does it to bilk money from guys like you.....I have NO IDEA what your excuse is for pretending you can't read, can't think, and can't understand how sentences and paragraphs work.

If Trump doesn't fire Comey? The "Russian investigation" would have taken a fraction of the time it's taken your Deep State to go after Hunter Biden. There would have been no appointment of Mueller, because Comey could have been left to do his job. I ADORE that you always leave that tiny "detail" out.

If Trump had kept his powder dry, like a big-boy? Manafort and the rest would have walked. :lol: Ah, I love irony. Trump did this to himself, and everyone around him. And you're still stomping your feet, pretending that's not what went down. It's sad to watch.

They're now at year 3 of investigating Hunter's laptop, btw. I'll have to search the forum to find your Deep State complaints about that. :roll: :roll:

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:44 am
by a fan
dislaxxic wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:12 am Trump and Old Swabby get treated SO unfairly.

..
Old Salt still thinks it's super cool to fire the person investigating you or your family.

If you look on the forum, you'll find that Old Salt has been PLEADING Joe Biden to fire the FBI guy that's looking into Hunter.....because Old Salt claims, and I quote "that's what you're supposed to do when you're President, and the FBI dares to look at your family for corruption".

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:51 am
by old salt
a fan wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:44 am
dislaxxic wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:12 am Trump and Old Swabby get treated SO unfairly.

..
Old Salt still thinks it's super cool to fire the person investigating you or your family.

If you look on the forum, you'll find that Old Salt has been PLEADING Joe Biden to fire the FBI guy that's looking into Hunter.....because Old Salt claims, and I quote "that's what you're supposed to do when you're President, and the FBI dares to look at your family for corruption".
Who's investigating Hunter ? You don't even know his name ?

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:05 am
by a fan
old salt wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:51 am
a fan wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:44 am
dislaxxic wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:12 am Trump and Old Swabby get treated SO unfairly.

..
Old Salt still thinks it's super cool to fire the person investigating you or your family.

If you look on the forum, you'll find that Old Salt has been PLEADING Joe Biden to fire the FBI guy that's looking into Hunter.....because Old Salt claims, and I quote "that's what you're supposed to do when you're President, and the FBI dares to look at your family for corruption".
Who's investigating Hunter ? You don't even know his name ?
:lol: Are we gonna use Old Salt logic when Hunter gets indicted?

Because let's all remember: in Old Salt's world, a Felony indictment means that the FBI is corrupt, and shouldn't have investigated someone, right. Oh, and that the media was "in on it" when they report on this stuff.

Now's your chance, Old Salt.....before Hunter is indicted for felonies, has Hunter FINALLY uncovered Old Salt's Deep State?

Old Salt thinks that we shouldn't "weaponize the DoJ and FBI to go after corrupt politicians", right?

So tell us Old Salt: does this Hunter case enrage you? You should be REALLY upset about this.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:37 pm
by old salt
a fan wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:05 am
old salt wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:51 am
a fan wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:44 am
dislaxxic wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:12 am Trump and Old Swabby get treated SO unfairly.

..
Old Salt still thinks it's super cool to fire the person investigating you or your family.

If you look on the forum, you'll find that Old Salt has been PLEADING Joe Biden to fire the FBI guy that's looking into Hunter.....because Old Salt claims, and I quote "that's what you're supposed to do when you're President, and the FBI dares to look at your family for corruption".
Who's investigating Hunter ? You don't even know his name ?
:lol: Are we gonna use Old Salt logic when Hunter gets indicted?

Because let's all remember: in Old Salt's world, a Felony indictment means that the FBI is corrupt, and shouldn't have investigated someone, right. Oh, and that the media was "in on it" when they report on this stuff.

Now's your chance, Old Salt.....before Hunter is indicted for felonies, has Hunter FINALLY uncovered Old Salt's Deep State?

Old Salt thinks that we shouldn't "weaponize the DoJ and FBI to go after corrupt politicians", right?

So tell us Old Salt: does this Hunter case enrage you? You should be REALLY upset about this.
Yeah. They were doing the deal for Trump Tower Moscow via that Alfa Bank secret server.
Glenn Simpson, Sid Blumenthal & the NYT told you all about it on their Collusion Tin Foil Hat channel.
Keep humping the Hunter sob story. Lay down that smoke screen before the House hearings.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:41 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
old salt wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:37 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:05 am
old salt wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:51 am
a fan wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:44 am
dislaxxic wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:12 am Trump and Old Swabby get treated SO unfairly.

..
Old Salt still thinks it's super cool to fire the person investigating you or your family.

If you look on the forum, you'll find that Old Salt has been PLEADING Joe Biden to fire the FBI guy that's looking into Hunter.....because Old Salt claims, and I quote "that's what you're supposed to do when you're President, and the FBI dares to look at your family for corruption".
Who's investigating Hunter ? You don't even know his name ?
:lol: Are we gonna use Old Salt logic when Hunter gets indicted?

Because let's all remember: in Old Salt's world, a Felony indictment means that the FBI is corrupt, and shouldn't have investigated someone, right. Oh, and that the media was "in on it" when they report on this stuff.

Now's your chance, Old Salt.....before Hunter is indicted for felonies, has Hunter FINALLY uncovered Old Salt's Deep State?

Old Salt thinks that we shouldn't "weaponize the DoJ and FBI to go after corrupt politicians", right?

So tell us Old Salt: does this Hunter case enrage you? You should be REALLY upset about this.
Yeah. They were doing the deal for Trump Tower Moscow via that Alfa Bank secret server.
Glenn Simpson, Sid Blumenthal & the NYT told you all about it on their Collusion Tin Foil Hat channel.
Keep humping the Hunter sob story. Lay down that smoke screen before the House hearings.
You teach your kids not to lie?

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:57 pm
by a fan
old salt wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:37 pm Yeah. They were doing the deal for Trump Tower Moscow via that Alfa Bank secret server.
Glenn Simpson, Sid Blumenthal & the NYT told you all about it on their Collusion Tin Foil Hat channel.
Keep humping the Hunter sob story. Lay down that smoke screen before the House hearings.
:lol: I'm mocking YOU, and you know it.

You think that our Presidents can't get investigated. Been whining about this for over a half a decade, and don't have enough sense to come out of the rain.

Here's a history lesson for you, because you're pretending you don't know this happened.


Bush Administration had 16 criminal convictions

Clinton Admin. had one.

HW Bush had one

Reagan Admin. had 16 criminal convictions.

Nixon Admin. had 55 freaking criminal convictions


And you're on here telling us that the FBI and DoJ should have left them all alone , and never investigated their various corruptions. And if they DARED to investigate the Executive Branch for breaking laws? They're a Deep State, and THEY are the bad guys. You can't investigate the President in Old Salt's world!

You're too much of a child to admit that you let an idiot.....Trump....trick you into thinking that the FBI isn't allowed to go after Presidential Administrations, when every single Presidential Admin over the last 50+ years has been investigated for some shenanigans or another.

And then tell us how you think that it's 100% ok to go after Joe Biden, after screaming bloody murder because Mueller convicted felons who worked for Trump. You can't keep your childish logic straight long enough to understand that not a single poster here thinks that Hunter shouldn't get investigated.

There's only ONE genius here who thinks Hunter should be left alone....and that's YOU, dear boy.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 2:04 pm
by old salt
a fan wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:57 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:37 pm Yeah. They were doing the deal for Trump Tower Moscow via that Alfa Bank secret server.
Glenn Simpson, Sid Blumenthal & the NYT told you all about it on their Collusion Tin Foil Hat channel.
Keep humping the Hunter sob story. Lay down that smoke screen before the House hearings.
:lol: I'm mocking YOU, and you know it.

You think that our Presidents can't get investigated. Been whining about this for over a half a decade, and don't have enough sense to come out of the rain.

Here's a history lesson for you, because you're pretending you don't know this happened.


Bush Administration had 16 criminal convictions

Clinton Admin. had one.

HW Bush had one

Reagan Admin. had 16 criminal convictions.

Nixon Admin. had 55 freaking criminal convictions


And you're on here telling us that the FBI and DoJ should have left them all alone , and never investigated their various corruptions. And if they DARED to investigate the Executive Branch for breaking laws? They're a Deep State, and THEY are the bad guys. You can't investigate the President in Old Salt's world!

You're too much of a child to admit that you let an idiot.....Trump....trick you into thinking that the FBI isn't allowed to go after Presidential Administrations, when every single Presidential Admin over the last 50+ years has been investigated for some shenanigans or another.

And then tell us how you think that it's 100% ok to go after Joe Biden, after screaming bloody murder because Mueller convicted felons who worked for Trump. You can't keep your childish logic straight long enough to understand that not a single poster here thinks that Hunter shouldn't get investigated.

There's only ONE genius here who thinks Hunter should be left alone....and that's YOU, dear boy.
Hunter has millions of supporters. He's a recovering addict. He just forgot to file some taxes. The IRS catches up with everyone.
Trump didn't trick me into anything. I pointed out what the FBI was doing, in real time, leak by leak.