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Prosecuted? He should be hung from the nearest yardarm, obviously.

Put him in the same false statement cell block with Flynn & Papadop.

We can't have Federal employees telling the truth about what our politicians do. Where would our country be if we stood for that kind of temerity?

I'm with you. Throw him in jail. I mean: duh. Obviously.

Trump t-shirts say "read the transcript." Good idea (except for Lindsey Graham). Check this out from Kurt Volcker's testimony transcript:

Volker told investigators that he and former US ambassador to the EU Gordon Sondland had "a conversation with Rudy to say: The Ukrainians are looking at this text. Rudy says: Well, if it doesn't say Burisma and if it doesn't say 2016, what does it mean? You know, it's not credible. You know, they're hiding something. And so we talked and I said: So what you're saying is just at the end of the — same statement, just insert Burisma and 2016, you think that would be more credible? And he said: Yes."

And then this text message from Volcker to the Ukes, where Volcker marks up the Ukes' draft statement to add exact wording meeting Rudy's requirements:

[8/13/19, 12:11:15 PM] Kurt Volker: Hi Andrey -- good talking -- following is text with insert at the end for 2 key items.

[8/13/19, 12:11:19 PM] Kurt Volker: Special attention should be paid to the problem of interference in the political processes of the United States, especially with the alleged involvement of some Ukrainian politicians. I want to declare that this is unacceptable. We intend to initiate and complete a transparent and unbiased investigation of all available facts and episodes, including those involving Burisma and the 2016 elections, which will prevent the recurrence of this problem in the future. [emphasis added]

It had to be a public announcement. And it had to specifically mention Burisma and 2016.

They actually DICTATED the required verbiage for the QPQ and then sent it to the Ukes. In writing and with a time/date stamp!

Unbelievable.

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:45 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:35 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:33 pm

ggait wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:02 pm ...but (contrary to law and precedent) that Acting DNI Maguire has failed to furnish the report to Congress. In other words, truck loads of shirt start hitting the fan that precise day. But Trump would have known about the WB report before then.

As it turns out, the WB was already in touch with Congress, which should invalidate his status as an IC WB.

Boy, ever ready battery 'lawyer' ain't you, Salty?

What a crock.

Pesky details. We're you among the Catherine Herridge fans applauding her move from FNC to CBS ?

https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/04/re ... r-general/

The anti-Trump whistleblower whose allegations against President Donald Trump sent Congress into an impeachment frenzy concealed his interactions with House Democrats from the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) and failed to disclose them as required, Fox News reported on Friday.

According to Fox News investigative reporter Catherine Herridge, ICIG Michael Atkinson testified before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) that the anti-Trump complainant, whose identity has not been made public, did not inform the ICIG in his complaint that he or his team had already contacted Democratic staff working for Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., the chairman of the House intelligence committee.

The complainant’s failure to disclose his interactions with Schiff or his staff could put him in legal hot water, as the whistleblower form he submitted requires individuals to disclose “other actions you are taking on your disclosure” under penalty of perjury. An entire page of the whistleblower form is dedicated to collecting information about previous disclosures so the ICIG can take appropriate action in response to the complaint.

“I have previously disclosed (or am disclosing) the violations alleged here to (complete all that apply),” the form requires the complainant to attest. The form includes checkboxes for disclosures to other inspectors general, other agencies, the Department of Justice, the Government Accountability Office, the Office of Special Counsel, other executive branch departments, Congress and its respective committees, and media. It also includes a separate question asking the complainant to detail those previous disclosures to the ICIG.

The final portion of the whistleblower form requires whistleblowers to attest under penalty of perjury that they have neither misstated nor concealed material facts in their complaints.

“I certify that all of the statements made in this complaint (including any continuation pages) are true, complete, and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief,” whistleblowers are required to attest. “I understand that, pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 1001, a false statement or concealment of a material fact is a criminal offense punishable by a fine of up to $10,000, imprisonment for up to five years, or both.”

UPDATE: An official confirms the whistleblower failed to disclose prior contacts with House Democrats regarding the allegations of his August 12 complaint. The box in Part 3, Question 1 of the form regarding contacts with Congress or congressional committees was unchecked and left blank. The dates of those contacts were also not disclosed as required. And the specific members and committees that were contacted were likewise not disclosed in the section requiring that information.

A lot of things "could happen"...Wonder if the Federalist will ever use her as the foundation for an article again.

Like bad things could happen to Yovanovitch?

ggait wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:02 am Trump t-shirts say "read the transcript." Good idea (except for Lindsey Graham). Check this out from Kurt Volcker's testimony transcript:

Volker told investigators that he and former US ambassador to the EU Gordon Sondland had "a conversation with Rudy to say: The Ukrainians are looking at this text. Rudy says: Well, if it doesn't say Burisma and if it doesn't say 2016, what does it mean? You know, it's not credible. You know, they're hiding something. And so we talked and I said: So what you're saying is just at the end of the — same statement, just insert Burisma and 2016, you think that would be more credible? And he said: Yes."

And then this text message from Volcker to the Ukes, where Volcker marks up the Ukes' draft statement to add exact wording meeting Rudy's requirements:

[8/13/19, 12:11:15 PM] Kurt Volker: Hi Andrey -- good talking -- following is text with insert at the end for 2 key items.

[8/13/19, 12:11:19 PM] Kurt Volker: Special attention should be paid to the problem of interference in the political processes of the United States, especially with the alleged involvement of some Ukrainian politicians. I want to declare that this is unacceptable. We intend to initiate and complete a transparent and unbiased investigation of all available facts and episodes, including those involving Burisma and the 2016 elections, which will prevent the recurrence of this problem in the future. [emphasis added]

It had to be a public announcement. And it had to specifically mention Burisma and 2016.

They actually DICTATED the required verbiage for the QPQ and then sent it to the Ukes. In writing and with a time/date stamp!

Unbelievable.

Agreed; unreal. Maybe you should send this to Lindsey Graham as a sort of Wiki of this whole thing? Just to help him along.

Were all the boxes checked? Because we have 6 public confirmations of the shakedown.

How does the FBI Director not know if Giuliani has a security clearance?

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:57 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:36 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:45 pm Pesky details. We're you among the Catherine Herridge fans applauding her move from FNC to CBS ?


https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/04/re ... r-general/

The anti-Trump whistleblower whose allegations against President Donald Trump sent Congress into an impeachment frenzy concealed his interactions with House Democrats from the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) and failed to disclose them as required, Fox News reported on Friday.

According to Fox News investigative reporter Catherine Herridge, ICIG Michael Atkinson testified before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) that the anti-Trump complainant, whose identity has not been made public, did not inform the ICIG in his complaint that he or his team had already contacted Democratic staff working for Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., the chairman of the House intelligence committee.

So now following the WB to the letter matters. Gee. What a surprise that the wind has changed direction.

Tough luck for the WB. Every lapse is now a crime which must be prosecuted.

ohh, I wasn't advocating doing so.
I'd give him/her an opportunity to 'remember' and to fill in the form correctly.
Correct the record.

I wouldn't prosecute Sundland either...at least not for previously lying about what he's now "remembered". Looks like he's still weaseling a bit, but he's now 'remembered' the meat of the issue.

ggait wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:02 am Trump t-shirts say "read the transcript." Good idea (except for Lindsey Graham). Check this out from Kurt Volcker's testimony transcript:

Volker told investigators that he and former US ambassador to the EU Gordon Sondland had "a conversation with Rudy to say: The Ukrainians are looking at this text. Rudy says: Well, if it doesn't say Burisma and if it doesn't say 2016, what does it mean? You know, it's not credible. You know, they're hiding something. And so we talked and I said: So what you're saying is just at the end of the — same statement, just insert Burisma and 2016, you think that would be more credible? And he said: Yes."

And then this text message from Volcker to the Ukes, where Volcker marks up the Ukes' draft statement to add exact wording meeting Rudy's requirements:

[8/13/19, 12:11:15 PM] Kurt Volker: Hi Andrey -- good talking -- following is text with insert at the end for 2 key items.

[8/13/19, 12:11:19 PM] Kurt Volker: Special attention should be paid to the problem of interference in the political processes of the United States, especially with the alleged involvement of some Ukrainian politicians. I want to declare that this is unacceptable. We intend to initiate and complete a transparent and unbiased investigation of all available facts and episodes, including those involving Burisma and the 2016 elections, which will prevent the recurrence of this problem in the future. [emphasis added]

It had to be a public announcement. And it had to specifically mention Burisma and 2016.

They actually DICTATED the required verbiage for the QPQ and then sent it to the Ukes. In writing and with a time/date stamp!

Unbelievable.

Actually, and unfortunately, quite believable.
Corruption meets hubris meets incompetence.

Pompeo runs a tight ship.

WHAT PROSECUTORS NEED TO SHOW TO PROVE ROGER STONE GUILTY

PPM has the goods on Stone and the SERIOUS damage this trial is likely to pull down on Don the Con's head...

..

Lindsey "It's About Cleansing the Office" Graham sez he won't even READ the transcripts he demanded a week or so ago.

Huckleberry is such a dweeb...

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Move those goal posts!

Schiff says the public hearings will begin next week, starting with Taylor, then Kent, another State Department witness, and then Yovanovitch. Taylor's deposition transcript will be released today.

Gotta love Trumpfans.

Internet is buzzing about the "bias" of the whistleblower. No mention is made that Trump himself said "yep, I said that". No mention that he told the truth.

Trumpfans have utterly convinced themselves that the WB lied. They're in a magic place where they're so far gone that the don't believe it when Trump told them "yes, I said that'.

Magic times we live in.

Latest defense is that Sondland and Volker presumed/assumed that there was a QPQ linkage between Burisma/2016 server and Ukraine meeting/aid. But that they have no evidence to prove that there was such a linkage.

So Sondland, Volker, Hill, Taylor, Vindman, Morrison, Mulvaney and Senator Johnson are all wrong and jumping to conclusions.

Even though (i) Trump repeatedly told people (including Zelensky) to "talk to Rudy", (ii) the July 25 telcon summary specifically mentions Burisma/2016, and (iii) Rudy keeps insisting on announcements that specifically mention Burisma/2016 (but no other specific corruption items).

So Trump is AOK because we don't have him on videotape saying "I hereby order the Code Red." Even though everything that everyone does is exactly what they would do if Trump had in fact ordered the Code Red.

Just a big misunderstanding. Sad.

Taylor transcript:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/ ... 9145941ef/

Note page 45: his detailed opening statement is derived from, three written sources -- the WhatsApp messages; the "detailed notes" ("I keep a little notebook where I take notes on conversation...."); and a "little spiral notebook" he keeps on his desk.

Newest defense, per Lindsey Graham:

“What I can tell you about the Trump policy toward Ukraine. It was incoherent. It depends on who you talk to. They seem to be incapable of forming a quid pro quo.”

Basically, they are too stupid to extort. Reminiscent of the "too stupid to collude" argument made during Mueller time.

This probably makes more sense than anything else he's said on this.

Taylor punch line (page 260 ff):

And at the start of this drama, all of you basically agreed on the objective, supporting Ukraine against Russia,fighting corruption, promoting democracy. You wanted a good relationship between the two countries. And then, at a certain point, you all learned that the President was in a different p1ace, correct?

AMBASSADOR TAYLOR: Yes. So, in the May 23rd, before I got out there, in his meeting with the delegation that came back enthusiastic about Zelensky, the President was less enthusiastic.

MR. MALIN0WSKI: Right. And at that point, things that group of people, roughly speaking, split into two different camps. You all sti1l had the same goa1s, but there was one group of folks who felt that they didn't want to have anything to do with what Mr. Bolton reportedly described as the drug deal because it was wrong, it was unprincipled, we should not be operating that way. And then there was a second group of people that may have included Kurt Volker, Ambassador Sondland, Secretary Perry, who decided that they had to somehow go along with this drug deal because they felt it was the only way to bring the President back, to get him to support the vision of the relationship that you wanted. Is that a fair assessment?

AMBASSADOR TAYL0R: It is, Congressman. And it was motivated, but as you said, toward a strong relationship. It was just a different -- they thought they had to take a different route through Giuliani to get there.

MR. MALIN0WSKI: Right. And so the problem wasn't with either of those groups of people. The problem was the drug deal itself, in effect. It was this decision that, you know, you had to go through this path to get to that outcome. And so let me ask you, who was responsible for the drug deal? Who was responsible for setting all this into motion? Was it Mr. Sondland? Was it Ambassador Sondland?

AMBASSADOR TAYL0R: I don't think so. I think the origin of the idea to get President Zelensky to say out loud he's going to investigate Burisma and 2016 election, I think the originator, the person who came up with that was Mr. Giuliani.

MR. MALIN0WSKI: And he was representing whose interests?

AMBASSAD0R TAYL0R: President Trump