Well, if we're done with the personal insults and emojis, it does seem to me that right wing media is doing its darnedest to paint the Biden Admin, specifically the State Dept as some sort of evil doers in the ongoing saga of getting Americans and allies out of Afghanistan.
First we have cradle's assertion, made by Fox and repeated by the NY Post, that Rick Clay (raising money for rescue efforts) and two unnamed private people say that the State Dept is slow walking specific approvals for individuals (vetting) and thus, some flights that might have happened, haven't.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state- ... fghanistan
Might have some truth (if this was a GOP Admin anyone doubt that Fox and NYP would be claiming that the vetting was necessary???);...or is it because the Taliban are actually the ones holding up the planes from leaving? much more likely...
https://www.albawaba.com/news/why-doesn ... an-1445502
Then we have shortly within 24 hours of that story, another claiming that a rescue which the State Dept says they helped facilitate and is applauding, they are somehow claiming too much credit.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state- ... -organizer
In other words, if you don't help enough or fast enough, or actually have to negotiate to do it safely, you're bums, and if you do help then noting that is taking undue credit, you're bums...pattern there?
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To add more clarification-
The report was originally reported by Reuters.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci ... 021-09-05/
The right wing media picked up on it. The left wing, not so much.
The report was originally reported by Reuters.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci ... 021-09-05/
The right wing media picked up on it. The left wing, not so much.
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Bidens decision to leave Afghanistan was the right decision. How Biden chose to implement that decision will go down in history as a monumental failure of epic proportions. It will never be compared to Dunkirk. I would like to know whose advice Biden was following? I have been informed here on this forum that I'm not that smart. I'm smart enough to know then when Bagram Airfield was abandoned overnight in the same manner the Colts left Baltimore the chitstorm was well under way. That brings up one more question that I hope some congressional investigative committee asks... Who made that idiotic decision?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:33 am Well, if we're done with the personal insults and emojis, it does seem to me that right wing media is doing its darnedest to paint the Biden Admin, specifically the State Dept as some sort of evil doers in the ongoing saga of getting Americans and allies out of Afghanistan.
First we have cradle's assertion, made by Fox and repeated by the NY Post, that Rick Clay (raising money for rescue efforts) and two unnamed private people say that the State Dept is slow walking specific approvals for individuals (vetting) and thus, some flights that might have happened, haven't.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state- ... fghanistan
Might have some truth (if this was a GOP Admin anyone doubt that Fox and NYP would be claiming that the vetting was necessary???);...or is it because the Taliban are actually the ones holding up the planes from leaving? much more likely...
https://www.albawaba.com/news/why-doesn ... an-1445502
Then we have shortly within 24 hours of that story, another claiming that a rescue which the State Dept says they helped facilitate and is applauding, they are somehow claiming too much credit.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state- ... -organizer
In other words, if you don't help enough or fast enough, or actually have to negotiate to do it safely, you're bums, and if you do help then noting that is taking undue credit, you're bums...pattern there?
The US exit from Afghanistan should have been a highlight of his 1st year. This is a classic example of grasping defeat from the jaws of victory. If any of you folks are paying attention those 2022 Democrats up for reelection are waiting their turn in line to throw Joe under the bus. I heard a blurb on the news this morning that even Richard Blumenthal is ticked off how this cluster fudge was implemented. Democrats know when and how to distance themselves from a disaster.
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The difference is the Colts actually packed up and took their sh-it (and people) with them.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:10 amBidens decision to leave Afghanistan was the right decision. How Biden chose to implement that decision will go down in history as a monumental failure of epic proportions. It will never be compared to Dunkirk. I would like to know whose advice Biden was following? I have been informed here on this forum that I'm not that smart. I'm smart enough to know then when Bagram Airfield was abandoned overnight in the same manner the Colts left Baltimore the chitstorm was well under way. That brings up one more question that I hope some congressional investigative committee asks... Who made that idiotic decision?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:33 am Well, if we're done with the personal insults and emojis, it does seem to me that right wing media is doing its darnedest to paint the Biden Admin, specifically the State Dept as some sort of evil doers in the ongoing saga of getting Americans and allies out of Afghanistan.
First we have cradle's assertion, made by Fox and repeated by the NY Post, that Rick Clay (raising money for rescue efforts) and two unnamed private people say that the State Dept is slow walking specific approvals for individuals (vetting) and thus, some flights that might have happened, haven't.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state- ... fghanistan
Might have some truth (if this was a GOP Admin anyone doubt that Fox and NYP would be claiming that the vetting was necessary???);...or is it because the Taliban are actually the ones holding up the planes from leaving? much more likely...
https://www.albawaba.com/news/why-doesn ... an-1445502
Then we have shortly within 24 hours of that story, another claiming that a rescue which the State Dept says they helped facilitate and is applauding, they are somehow claiming too much credit.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state- ... -organizer
In other words, if you don't help enough or fast enough, or actually have to negotiate to do it safely, you're bums, and if you do help then noting that is taking undue credit, you're bums...pattern there?
The US exit from Afghanistan should have been a highlight of his 1st year. This is a classic example of grasping defeat from the jaws of victory. If any of you folks are paying attention those 2022 Democrats up for reelection are waiting their turn in line to throw Joe under the bus. I heard a blurb on the news this morning that even Richard Blumenthal is ticked off how this cluster fudge was implemented. Democrats know when and how to distance themselves from a disaster.
If you know anything about military logistics and the amount of time that it takes to leave ANYWHERE, this was such a poorly planned decision. If this was a corner Trump painted Biden into, it should have been job 1 since day 1 of his term. but it was clearly a surprise to them or a poorly thought out last minute decision.
And as you say, who made the decision? Not because it will fix anything, but please make sure this person (or people) STOPS advising the president of the USofA. Trump used to get skewered about the "Best People" he hired. What dunderhead was advising Biden on this?
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You have no credibility here which is why they aren’t listening.runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:08 amas we witness dear abby admin do nothing to kismets attacks on a poster.Kismet wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:12 amYou know NOTHING about me and demonstrate an identically miniscule level of knowledge on just about every other subject here every day. No surprise. Please STFUcradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 6:17 pmMy mommy and daddy didn't waste a kings ransom on a college education for me. Did your mommy and daddy ever ask for a refund? They would have had a legit argument. All that money spent and that is the best put down their bouncing baby boy can come up with.Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:35 pmHey Einstein. Take extra comfort as a DOUBLE DUMBASS. DUMBER and DUMBASSERcradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:20 pmOn my worst day as a dumbass I will never be a liberal dumbass. I always take comfort knowing that.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:17 pmKismet wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:10 pmI wouldn't ASSume too much about others, Einstein. But, will agree that you are an exact description of what you call a Dumbass...and you prove it every day around here. Often multiple times.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:17 pmTo paraphrase Billy Joel.. you may be right but I just think your crazy. It would not have mattered if I posted a link. Your a liberal who would not have believed a link posted by me anyways. Why do you think I didn't waste my time looking for it dumbass?Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:57 pmMaybe the reason you cannot provide a credible link is because the story is fantasy. Some gullible people will believe anything that supports their preconceived views.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:36 pm I don't have a valid link but allegedly the US State Dept is preventing rescue flights out of Afghanistan. If true how is that possible and will Bidens people admit to doing it? Biden started out with a good idea and his administration has gone out of its way to turn the operation to full tilt FUBAR. Did Biden listen to anybody giving him advice? Was there ever a plan? How could any plan have included abandoning Bagram AFB before all our friends and American citizens were evacuated? My personal 64 thousand dollar question.. who was the dumb f**k in Bidentown that made that call? Will whoever the dumbf**k that made the decision be held accountable? Will we ever know who the idiot was that authorized abandoning such a vital strategic position knowing it would soon be needed. Maybe Jen Sake can clear it up for America? If there is some brave reporter willing to face her wrath.
glad to see the hypocrisy and rule application is the same
Harvard University, out
University of Utah, in
I am going to get a 4.0 in damage.
(Afan jealous he didn’t do this first)
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I am going to get a 4.0 in damage.
(Afan jealous he didn’t do this first)
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MDLaxFan,
In other words, if you don't help enough or fast enough, or actually have to negotiate to do it safely, you're bums, and if you do help then noting that is taking undue credit, you're bums...pattern there?
Republicans. Their double standards are to be expected. Had it been tRump who saved 124,000 Afghan traitors without the Taliban firing a bullet the right wingers would be praising him to no end.
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....you forgot your empathy AND sympathy, at the door, yet again, considering 13 US Service Members died in the process of Biden's Cluster FK. Nice try, to change the narrative by saying not a bullet was fired.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:35 amMDLaxFan,
In other words, if you don't help enough or fast enough, or actually have to negotiate to do it safely, you're bums, and if you do help then noting that is taking undue credit, you're bums...pattern there?
Republicans. Their double standards are to be expected. Had it been tRump who saved 124,000 Afghan traitors without the Taliban firing a bullet the right wingers would be praising him to no end.
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ISIS-K not Talibanyouthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:49 am....you forgot your empathy AND sympathy, at the door, yet again, considering 13 US Service Members died in the process of Biden's Cluster FK. Nice try, to change the narrative by saying not a bullet was fired.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:35 amMDLaxFan,
In other words, if you don't help enough or fast enough, or actually have to negotiate to do it safely, you're bums, and if you do help then noting that is taking undue credit, you're bums...pattern there?
Republicans. Their double standards are to be expected. Had it been tRump who saved 124,000 Afghan traitors without the Taliban firing a bullet the right wingers would be praising him to no end.
Brooklyn is correct about the astounding level of hypocrisy from the right.
But I object again and again to the tone, much less the label traitor for the people desperate to make better Afghanistan
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The bomb wasn't planted by the Taliban just in case you didn't know it. Had it been them they could have planted a thousand bombs and killed off far many more.youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:49 am
....you forgot your empathy AND sympathy, at the door, yet again, considering 13 US Service Members died in the process of Biden's Cluster FK. Nice try, to change the narrative by saying not a bullet was fired.
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:35 pm
ISIS-K not Taliban
Brooklyn is correct about the astounding level of hypocrisy from the right.
But I object again and again to the tone, much less the label traitor for the people desperate to make better Afghanistan
In their country their collaboration with the invading enemies who killed 100,000 of their countrymen it's called treason. If an invader entered the USA and collaborators helped them kill that many Americans, what would you call them? Just for the record, I would call them traitors and would happily attend their neck tie party at the scaffold.
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
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+1 well saidkramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:25 amThe difference is the Colts actually packed up and took their sh-it (and people) with them.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:10 amBidens decision to leave Afghanistan was the right decision. How Biden chose to implement that decision will go down in history as a monumental failure of epic proportions. It will never be compared to Dunkirk. I would like to know whose advice Biden was following? I have been informed here on this forum that I'm not that smart. I'm smart enough to know then when Bagram Airfield was abandoned overnight in the same manner the Colts left Baltimore the chitstorm was well under way. That brings up one more question that I hope some congressional investigative committee asks... Who made that idiotic decision?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:33 am Well, if we're done with the personal insults and emojis, it does seem to me that right wing media is doing its darnedest to paint the Biden Admin, specifically the State Dept as some sort of evil doers in the ongoing saga of getting Americans and allies out of Afghanistan.
First we have cradle's assertion, made by Fox and repeated by the NY Post, that Rick Clay (raising money for rescue efforts) and two unnamed private people say that the State Dept is slow walking specific approvals for individuals (vetting) and thus, some flights that might have happened, haven't.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state- ... fghanistan
Might have some truth (if this was a GOP Admin anyone doubt that Fox and NYP would be claiming that the vetting was necessary???);...or is it because the Taliban are actually the ones holding up the planes from leaving? much more likely...
https://www.albawaba.com/news/why-doesn ... an-1445502
Then we have shortly within 24 hours of that story, another claiming that a rescue which the State Dept says they helped facilitate and is applauding, they are somehow claiming too much credit.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state- ... -organizer
In other words, if you don't help enough or fast enough, or actually have to negotiate to do it safely, you're bums, and if you do help then noting that is taking undue credit, you're bums...pattern there?
The US exit from Afghanistan should have been a highlight of his 1st year. This is a classic example of grasping defeat from the jaws of victory. If any of you folks are paying attention those 2022 Democrats up for reelection are waiting their turn in line to throw Joe under the bus. I heard a blurb on the news this morning that even Richard Blumenthal is ticked off how this cluster fudge was implemented. Democrats know when and how to distance themselves from a disaster.
If you know anything about military logistics and the amount of time that it takes to leave ANYWHERE, this was such a poorly planned decision. If this was a corner Trump painted Biden into, it should have been job 1 since day 1 of his term. but it was clearly a surprise to them or a poorly thought out last minute decision.
And as you say, who made the decision? Not because it will fix anything, but please make sure this person (or people) STOPS advising the president of the USofA. Trump used to get skewered about the "Best People" he hired. What dunderhead was advising Biden on this?
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So, too would our Founding Fathers have been hanged for "treason" had they been caught by the British. And we had French assistance.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:03 pmMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:35 pm
ISIS-K not Taliban
Brooklyn is correct about the astounding level of hypocrisy from the right.
But I object again and again to the tone, much less the label traitor for the people desperate to make better Afghanistan
In their country their collaboration with the invading enemies who killed 100,000 of their countrymen it's called treason. If an invader entered the USA and collaborators helped them kill that many Americans, what would you call them? Just for the record, I would call them traitors and would happily attend their neck tie party at the scaffold.
Let's just say that we disagree strenuously.
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You do realize you are addressing 2 different rescue missions ?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:33 am Well, if we're done with the personal insults and emojis, it does seem to me that right wing media is doing its darnedest to paint the Biden Admin, specifically the State Dept as some sort of evil doers in the ongoing saga of getting Americans and allies out of Afghanistan.
First we have cradle's assertion, made by Fox and repeated by the NY Post, that Rick Clay (raising money for rescue efforts) and two unnamed private people say that the State Dept is slow walking specific approvals for individuals (vetting) and thus, some flights that might have happened, haven't.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state- ... fghanistan
Might have some truth (if this was a GOP Admin anyone doubt that Fox and NYP would be claiming that the vetting was necessary???);...or is it because the Taliban are actually the ones holding up the planes from leaving? much more likely...
https://www.albawaba.com/news/why-doesn ... an-1445502
Then we have shortly within 24 hours of that story, another claiming that a rescue which the State Dept says they helped facilitate and is applauding, they are somehow claiming too much credit.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state- ... -organizer
In other words, if you don't help enough or fast enough, or actually have to negotiate to do it safely, you're bums, and if you do help then noting that is taking undue credit, you're bums...pattern there?
In the overland rescue that succeeded, the group that organized, funded & facilitated the rescue is complaining that the State Dept is taking credit for the efforts of the volunteer group.
For the air recuse flights trapped in Mazir-I-Sharif, the State Dept is giving an evasive none answer. Of course we don't have anyone there to screen & verify the passengers & issue travel documents. This is an emergency air lift of evacuees from a war zone. The US State Dept has Embassy staff in Doha to coordinate these matters with the Qatari & Taliban officials there. Our SecState & SecDef are even there. All that should be reqd is for the US to assure the Qataris that all the passengers without the necessary documents will be immediately transported to the US. That should allow Qatar to issue diplomatic clearance for the flights to enter Qatar. All that's needed prior to departure is a thorough physical security check of the passengers & baggage. The US needs to guarantee that we will maintain custody of any passengers without the required travel documents & transport them to the US without extended delay for processing.
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Of course I realize these are two different rescue efforts; the common denominator is Fox and others attacking the Biden Admin, specifically State dept. One for not doing enough (supposedly...or is that the Taliban are preventing departure), the other for taking credit for having a success happen.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:34 pmYou do realize you are addressing 2 different rescue missions ?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:33 am Well, if we're done with the personal insults and emojis, it does seem to me that right wing media is doing its darnedest to paint the Biden Admin, specifically the State Dept as some sort of evil doers in the ongoing saga of getting Americans and allies out of Afghanistan.
First we have cradle's assertion, made by Fox and repeated by the NY Post, that Rick Clay (raising money for rescue efforts) and two unnamed private people say that the State Dept is slow walking specific approvals for individuals (vetting) and thus, some flights that might have happened, haven't.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state- ... fghanistan
Might have some truth (if this was a GOP Admin anyone doubt that Fox and NYP would be claiming that the vetting was necessary???);...or is it because the Taliban are actually the ones holding up the planes from leaving? much more likely...
https://www.albawaba.com/news/why-doesn ... an-1445502
Then we have shortly within 24 hours of that story, another claiming that a rescue which the State Dept says they helped facilitate and is applauding, they are somehow claiming too much credit.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state- ... -organizer
In other words, if you don't help enough or fast enough, or actually have to negotiate to do it safely, you're bums, and if you do help then noting that is taking undue credit, you're bums...pattern there?
In the overland rescue that succeeded, the group that organized, funded & facilitated the rescue is complaining that the State Dept is taking credit for the efforts of the volunteer group.
For the air recuse flights trapped in Mazir-I-Sharif, the State Dept is giving an evasive none answer. Of course we don't have anyone there to screen & verify the passengers & issue travel documents. This is an emergency air lift of evacuees from a war zone. The US State Dept has Embassy staff in Doha to coordinate these matters with the Qatari & Taliban officials there. Our SecState & SecDef are even there. All that should be reqd is for the US to assure the Qataris that all the passengers without the necessary documents will be immediately transported to the US. That should allow Qatar to issue diplomatic clearance for the flights to enter Qatar. All that's needed prior to departure is a thorough physical security check of the passengers & baggage. The US needs to assure that we will maintain custody of any passengers without the required travel documents & transport them to the US without extended delay for processing.
There's going to be an incessant amount of these attacks on the Biden Admin. Some may actually be deserved, but they all lose credibility due to the astounding levels of hypocrisy from the right.
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The Biden admin is also overstating (by implication) the number of evacuees by taking credit for the total numbers air lifted by the US, allies, NGO's, charters & commercial airlines. The USAF did not airlift all those souls out.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:39 pmOf course I realize these are two different rescue efforts; the common denominator is Fox and others attacking the Biden Admin, specifically State dept. One for not doing enough (supposedly...or is that the Taliban are preventing departure), the other for taking credit for having a success happen.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:34 pmYou do realize you are addressing 2 different rescue missions ?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:33 am Well, if we're done with the personal insults and emojis, it does seem to me that right wing media is doing its darnedest to paint the Biden Admin, specifically the State Dept as some sort of evil doers in the ongoing saga of getting Americans and allies out of Afghanistan.
First we have cradle's assertion, made by Fox and repeated by the NY Post, that Rick Clay (raising money for rescue efforts) and two unnamed private people say that the State Dept is slow walking specific approvals for individuals (vetting) and thus, some flights that might have happened, haven't.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state- ... fghanistan
Might have some truth (if this was a GOP Admin anyone doubt that Fox and NYP would be claiming that the vetting was necessary???);...or is it because the Taliban are actually the ones holding up the planes from leaving? much more likely...
https://www.albawaba.com/news/why-doesn ... an-1445502
Then we have shortly within 24 hours of that story, another claiming that a rescue which the State Dept says they helped facilitate and is applauding, they are somehow claiming too much credit.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state- ... -organizer
In other words, if you don't help enough or fast enough, or actually have to negotiate to do it safely, you're bums, and if you do help then noting that is taking undue credit, you're bums...pattern there?
In the overland rescue that succeeded, the group that organized, funded & facilitated the rescue is complaining that the State Dept is taking credit for the efforts of the volunteer group.
For the air recuse flights trapped in Mazir-I-Sharif, the State Dept is giving an evasive none answer. Of course we don't have anyone there to screen & verify the passengers & issue travel documents. This is an emergency air lift of evacuees from a war zone. The US State Dept has Embassy staff in Doha to coordinate these matters with the Qatari & Taliban officials there. Our SecState & SecDef are even there. All that should be reqd is for the US to assure the Qataris that all the passengers without the necessary documents will be immediately transported to the US. That should allow Qatar to issue diplomatic clearance for the flights to enter Qatar. All that's needed prior to departure is a thorough physical security check of the passengers & baggage. The US needs to assure that we will maintain custody of any passengers without the required travel documents & transport them to the US without extended delay for processing.
There's going to be an incessant amount of these attacks on the Biden Admin. Some may actually be deserved, but they all lose credibility due to the astounding levels of hypocrisy from the right.
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sourpussold salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:45 pmThe Biden admin is also overstating (by implication) the number of evacuees by taking credit for the total numbers air lifted by the US, allies, NGO's, charters & commercial airlines. The USAF did not airlift all those souls out.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:39 pmOf course I realize these are two different rescue efforts; the common denominator is Fox and others attacking the Biden Admin, specifically State dept. One for not doing enough (supposedly...or is that the Taliban are preventing departure), the other for taking credit for having a success happen.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:34 pmYou do realize you are addressing 2 different rescue missions ?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:33 am Well, if we're done with the personal insults and emojis, it does seem to me that right wing media is doing its darnedest to paint the Biden Admin, specifically the State Dept as some sort of evil doers in the ongoing saga of getting Americans and allies out of Afghanistan.
First we have cradle's assertion, made by Fox and repeated by the NY Post, that Rick Clay (raising money for rescue efforts) and two unnamed private people say that the State Dept is slow walking specific approvals for individuals (vetting) and thus, some flights that might have happened, haven't.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state- ... fghanistan
Might have some truth (if this was a GOP Admin anyone doubt that Fox and NYP would be claiming that the vetting was necessary???);...or is it because the Taliban are actually the ones holding up the planes from leaving? much more likely...
https://www.albawaba.com/news/why-doesn ... an-1445502
Then we have shortly within 24 hours of that story, another claiming that a rescue which the State Dept says they helped facilitate and is applauding, they are somehow claiming too much credit.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state- ... -organizer
In other words, if you don't help enough or fast enough, or actually have to negotiate to do it safely, you're bums, and if you do help then noting that is taking undue credit, you're bums...pattern there?
In the overland rescue that succeeded, the group that organized, funded & facilitated the rescue is complaining that the State Dept is taking credit for the efforts of the volunteer group.
For the air recuse flights trapped in Mazir-I-Sharif, the State Dept is giving an evasive none answer. Of course we don't have anyone there to screen & verify the passengers & issue travel documents. This is an emergency air lift of evacuees from a war zone. The US State Dept has Embassy staff in Doha to coordinate these matters with the Qatari & Taliban officials there. Our SecState & SecDef are even there. All that should be reqd is for the US to assure the Qataris that all the passengers without the necessary documents will be immediately transported to the US. That should allow Qatar to issue diplomatic clearance for the flights to enter Qatar. All that's needed prior to departure is a thorough physical security check of the passengers & baggage. The US needs to assure that we will maintain custody of any passengers without the required travel documents & transport them to the US without extended delay for processing.
There's going to be an incessant amount of these attacks on the Biden Admin. Some may actually be deserved, but they all lose credibility due to the astounding levels of hypocrisy from the right.
These weren't exactly boat people escaping Vietnam and Cambodia.
This was an extraordinary achievement; thing is, probably could have been even better...certainly the public relations aspect could have been better, but I think there are some real questions about execution.
I don't buy that this was ohh so obvious an f-up, but I think that there's good reason to wonder whether this was really the best they could do, or did the military folks just not believe they were actually gonna have to leave, no more waffling and so miscalculated?
Certainly there were Americans who didn't heed the months of being told to get out...
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The last time I checked our military follows orders. They don't anticipate what the folks in DC will tell them to do. If you don't see this mess as the eff up it has been, you should get your spectacles checked. I'm sure when the dust settles and Biden has paid the Taliban the ransom they demand, the folks in DC can start having all the hearings to find out who was responsible for this cluster fudge. I'm certain there will be more than enough blame to go around. My first question I would like answered.. what dumb cluck, or group of dumb clucks were advising Joe? Did Joe pay any attention to the advice he was given? Did Joe just "go with his gut"?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 3:27 pmsourpussold salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:45 pmThe Biden admin is also overstating (by implication) the number of evacuees by taking credit for the total numbers air lifted by the US, allies, NGO's, charters & commercial airlines. The USAF did not airlift all those souls out.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:39 pmOf course I realize these are two different rescue efforts; the common denominator is Fox and others attacking the Biden Admin, specifically State dept. One for not doing enough (supposedly...or is that the Taliban are preventing departure), the other for taking credit for having a success happen.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:34 pmYou do realize you are addressing 2 different rescue missions ?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:33 am Well, if we're done with the personal insults and emojis, it does seem to me that right wing media is doing its darnedest to paint the Biden Admin, specifically the State Dept as some sort of evil doers in the ongoing saga of getting Americans and allies out of Afghanistan.
First we have cradle's assertion, made by Fox and repeated by the NY Post, that Rick Clay (raising money for rescue efforts) and two unnamed private people say that the State Dept is slow walking specific approvals for individuals (vetting) and thus, some flights that might have happened, haven't.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state- ... fghanistan
Might have some truth (if this was a GOP Admin anyone doubt that Fox and NYP would be claiming that the vetting was necessary???);...or is it because the Taliban are actually the ones holding up the planes from leaving? much more likely...
https://www.albawaba.com/news/why-doesn ... an-1445502
Then we have shortly within 24 hours of that story, another claiming that a rescue which the State Dept says they helped facilitate and is applauding, they are somehow claiming too much credit.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state- ... -organizer
In other words, if you don't help enough or fast enough, or actually have to negotiate to do it safely, you're bums, and if you do help then noting that is taking undue credit, you're bums...pattern there?
In the overland rescue that succeeded, the group that organized, funded & facilitated the rescue is complaining that the State Dept is taking credit for the efforts of the volunteer group.
For the air recuse flights trapped in Mazir-I-Sharif, the State Dept is giving an evasive none answer. Of course we don't have anyone there to screen & verify the passengers & issue travel documents. This is an emergency air lift of evacuees from a war zone. The US State Dept has Embassy staff in Doha to coordinate these matters with the Qatari & Taliban officials there. Our SecState & SecDef are even there. All that should be reqd is for the US to assure the Qataris that all the passengers without the necessary documents will be immediately transported to the US. That should allow Qatar to issue diplomatic clearance for the flights to enter Qatar. All that's needed prior to departure is a thorough physical security check of the passengers & baggage. The US needs to assure that we will maintain custody of any passengers without the required travel documents & transport them to the US without extended delay for processing.
There's going to be an incessant amount of these attacks on the Biden Admin. Some may actually be deserved, but they all lose credibility due to the astounding levels of hypocrisy from the right.
These weren't exactly boat people escaping Vietnam and Cambodia.
This was an extraordinary achievement; thing is, probably could have been even better...certainly the public relations aspect could have been better, but I think there are some real questions about execution.
I don't buy that this was ohh so obvious an f-up, but I think that there's good reason to wonder whether this was really the best they could do, or did the military folks just not believe they were actually gonna have to leave, no more waffling and so miscalculated?
Certainly there were Americans who didn't heed the months of being told to get out...
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Re: Taliban reclaims Afghanistan
dried out my closet tooFarfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:25 amYou have no credibility here which is why they aren’t listening.runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:08 amas we witness dear abby admin do nothing to kismets attacks on a poster.Kismet wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:12 amYou know NOTHING about me and demonstrate an identically miniscule level of knowledge on just about every other subject here every day. No surprise. Please STFUcradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 6:17 pmMy mommy and daddy didn't waste a kings ransom on a college education for me. Did your mommy and daddy ever ask for a refund? They would have had a legit argument. All that money spent and that is the best put down their bouncing baby boy can come up with.Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:35 pmHey Einstein. Take extra comfort as a DOUBLE DUMBASS. DUMBER and DUMBASSERcradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:20 pmOn my worst day as a dumbass I will never be a liberal dumbass. I always take comfort knowing that.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:17 pmKismet wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:10 pmI wouldn't ASSume too much about others, Einstein. But, will agree that you are an exact description of what you call a Dumbass...and you prove it every day around here. Often multiple times.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:17 pmTo paraphrase Billy Joel.. you may be right but I just think your crazy. It would not have mattered if I posted a link. Your a liberal who would not have believed a link posted by me anyways. Why do you think I didn't waste my time looking for it dumbass?Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:57 pmMaybe the reason you cannot provide a credible link is because the story is fantasy. Some gullible people will believe anything that supports their preconceived views.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:36 pm I don't have a valid link but allegedly the US State Dept is preventing rescue flights out of Afghanistan. If true how is that possible and will Bidens people admit to doing it? Biden started out with a good idea and his administration has gone out of its way to turn the operation to full tilt FUBAR. Did Biden listen to anybody giving him advice? Was there ever a plan? How could any plan have included abandoning Bagram AFB before all our friends and American citizens were evacuated? My personal 64 thousand dollar question.. who was the dumb f**k in Bidentown that made that call? Will whoever the dumbf**k that made the decision be held accountable? Will we ever know who the idiot was that authorized abandoning such a vital strategic position knowing it would soon be needed. Maybe Jen Sake can clear it up for America? If there is some brave reporter willing to face her wrath.
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Re: Taliban reclaims Afghanistan
I bet the British wish there was the internet and twitter way back in the early 1770s. They had to glean information the "old fashioned" way. That might have involved methods some folks on this forum might have found... shall we say... distasteful...MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:42 pmSo, too would our Founding Fathers have been hanged for "treason" had they been caught by the British. And we had French assistance.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:03 pmMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:35 pm
ISIS-K not Taliban
Brooklyn is correct about the astounding level of hypocrisy from the right.
But I object again and again to the tone, much less the label traitor for the people desperate to make better Afghanistan
In their country their collaboration with the invading enemies who killed 100,000 of their countrymen it's called treason. If an invader entered the USA and collaborators helped them kill that many Americans, what would you call them? Just for the record, I would call them traitors and would happily attend their neck tie party at the scaffold.
Let's just say that we disagree strenuously.
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Good grief ! It's more urgent than the SE Asian boat people. We have hundreds of Americans, loyal Afghan allies, & their families trapped behind enemy lines, & you're whining about Biden getting bad press & spinning a botched evacuation as an "extraordinary achievement".MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 3:27 pmsourpussold salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:45 pmThe Biden admin is also overstating (by implication) the number of evacuees by taking credit for the total numbers air lifted by the US, allies, NGO's, charters & commercial airlines. The USAF did not airlift all those souls out.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:39 pmOf course I realize these are two different rescue efforts; the common denominator is Fox and others attacking the Biden Admin, specifically State dept. One for not doing enough (supposedly...or is that the Taliban are preventing departure), the other for taking credit for having a success happen.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:34 pmYou do realize you are addressing 2 different rescue missions ?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:33 am Well, if we're done with the personal insults and emojis, it does seem to me that right wing media is doing its darnedest to paint the Biden Admin, specifically the State Dept as some sort of evil doers in the ongoing saga of getting Americans and allies out of Afghanistan.
First we have cradle's assertion, made by Fox and repeated by the NY Post, that Rick Clay (raising money for rescue efforts) and two unnamed private people say that the State Dept is slow walking specific approvals for individuals (vetting) and thus, some flights that might have happened, haven't.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state- ... fghanistan
Might have some truth (if this was a GOP Admin anyone doubt that Fox and NYP would be claiming that the vetting was necessary???);...or is it because the Taliban are actually the ones holding up the planes from leaving? much more likely...
https://www.albawaba.com/news/why-doesn ... an-1445502
Then we have shortly within 24 hours of that story, another claiming that a rescue which the State Dept says they helped facilitate and is applauding, they are somehow claiming too much credit.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state- ... -organizer
In other words, if you don't help enough or fast enough, or actually have to negotiate to do it safely, you're bums, and if you do help then noting that is taking undue credit, you're bums...pattern there?
In the overland rescue that succeeded, the group that organized, funded & facilitated the rescue is complaining that the State Dept is taking credit for the efforts of the volunteer group.
For the air recuse flights trapped in Mazir-I-Sharif, the State Dept is giving an evasive none answer. Of course we don't have anyone there to screen & verify the passengers & issue travel documents. This is an emergency air lift of evacuees from a war zone. The US State Dept has Embassy staff in Doha to coordinate these matters with the Qatari & Taliban officials there. Our SecState & SecDef are even there. All that should be reqd is for the US to assure the Qataris that all the passengers without the necessary documents will be immediately transported to the US. That should allow Qatar to issue diplomatic clearance for the flights to enter Qatar. All that's needed prior to departure is a thorough physical security check of the passengers & baggage. The US needs to assure that we will maintain custody of any passengers without the required travel documents & transport them to the US without extended delay for processing.
There's going to be an incessant amount of these attacks on the Biden Admin. Some may actually be deserved, but they all lose credibility due to the astounding levels of hypocrisy from the right.
These weren't exactly boat people escaping Vietnam and Cambodia.
This was an extraordinary achievement; thing is, probably could have been even better...certainly the public relations aspect could have been better, but I think there are some real questions about execution.
I don't buy that this was ohh so obvious an f-up, but I think that there's good reason to wonder whether this was really the best they could do, or did the military folks just not believe they were actually gonna have to leave, no more waffling and so miscalculated?
Certainly there were Americans who didn't heed the months of being told to get out...
Biden was assuring them that it was ok to stay, right up until the fall of Kabul, & encouraging Ghani to perpetuate the lie.
obtw -- re "boat people" I have friends (former shipmates & squadronmates) whose heroism helped save thousands of them. What a stupid analogy. Research the extraordinary efforts that Richard Armitage undertook to get them safely into the PI
https://www.npr.org/2010/09/01/12957826 ... nam-s-navy