Trumpista fascists on the march

[PizzaSnake]

the independent donut shop

CU, I'd argue that it's the shops fault for not having better "marketing" and making smarter changes including communicating with your dad (and their other consumers) about why they should buy their donuts.

Pretty weak argument.

[Matnum PI]

Pretty weak argument.

The solution isn't Boycott Dunkin. There needs to be a reason why and... This needs to be communicated. Or... the independent business needs to make real changes (and communicate these changes).

[PizzaSnake]

Pretty weak argument.

The solution isn't Boycott Dunkin. There needs to be a reason why and... This needs to be communicated. Or... the independent business needs to make real changes (and communicate these changes).

So an independent proprietor should behave as a corporation with a staff to do all of these the things you want?

No, the burden is on the customers to understand the impact that their choices have on their communities.

I thought that Republicans were the party of personal responsibility. So, be responsible for your choices, among those the ones that empower corporate citizens and diminish workers representation and power.

Want better jobs than working at Walmart? Then stop shopping there and thereby stop enabling the forces that destroy the fabric of our society. Want better government, stop voting against your interests. Unless of course, the only things that matter to you are inserting yourself into other people’s health care decisions tells my them what to believe and who to spend their lives with.



So eagerly await your response in which you explain how the pro-corporate politicians of the past forty years have benefited our country and its citizens.

[Matnum PI]

So an independent proprietor should behave as a corporation with a staff to do all of these the things you want?... So eagerly await your response in which you explain how the pro-corporate politicians of the past forty years have benefited our country and its citizens.

you don't need a Marketing Department to do good (not even great) marketing. in any business, you can't just hope that consumers will do the right thing. you need to do anything and everything you can to help them to make that decision, to take that action.

And i have no idea why I need to speak for pro-corporate policies.

[Matnum PI]

This thread rings true to me. https://twitter.com/TerryBoutonHist/sta ... 5091222528

[MDlaxfan76]

Terry Bouton
@TerryBoutonHist
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And the crowd reviled them for it. They booed the police and FBI swat team, calling them traitors and murderers. A man on the back Capitol steps ripped up a Thin Blue Line flag, the torn stripes fluttering down over a crowd briefly chanting “heck the police.” 15/22
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[3rdPersonPlural]

And that's what we've all been doing for the past few decades. Buying the cheaper donuts from the chain. And reaping the consequences.

Thank you for the story, 77. I have been shopping local and supporting small for 3 years now. I am sure you have as well. I'm tribal enough to think that all of us on this page have.

Let me relate part 2 of this story:

Like....1974. The big plant in town was Uniroyal Footwear. They made 'Keds". LOTS of union line workers making sneakers back in 1974 with 1950 technology.

Uniroyal floated a plan to introduce '70's tech which would have kept Keds competitive against the east asian shoes coming in, but the Union saw that this meant reducing the labor force by 34% and refused.

Uniroyal knew that this was gonna happen, and said that Korea would build a plant to replace our local plant with all the newest shoe tech in place.

The local union went on strike.

Uniroyal move Keds to Korea pretty darned quick. The town folded up shop. Never been the same, frankly.

Who was at fault?
The union for trying to hold on?
Uniroyal for trying to stay competitive?
Korea for trying to get jobs for their people?
The deep state? Ford and Carter? (this was early '70's). Reagan for not fighting back?

I have my opinions, but what are yours?

[Matnum PI]

I have my opinions, but what are yours?

It would've been nice if they didn't need to cut the work force but that's where the market was going. It would've been nice if UniRoyal took a profit hit and didn't go with Korea but they are a business where profitability matters. So, one could blame both and... i blame the Union. Keep the same workforce but cut salaries by 33% or whatever or whatever you need to do and realize, the market is changing and do what you need to do to take care of this town for the future. i.e. Go where the market is going. And do it quickly. If not for these workers, for the next generation.

[CU88]

"Hidden Patriot"?

https://www.newschannel5.com/news/newsc ... -s-capitol

[3rdPersonPlural]

I have my opinions, but what are yours?

It would've been nice if they didn't need to cut the work force but that's where the market was going. It would've been nice if UniRoyal took a profit hit and didn't go with Korea but they are a business where profitability matters. So, one could blame both and... i blame the Union. Keep the same workforce but cut salaries by 33% or whatever or whatever you need to do and realize, the market is changing and do what you need to do to take care of this town for the future. i.e. Go where the market is going. And do it quickly. If not for these workers, for the next generation.

Yeah, I thought that back then but I was barely into puberty and off at Prep School, so I didn't think it through. I listened to my dad who was CEO of the 3rd largest employer in town and apparently we owned a lot of the 5th. Union bad. I went back to lacrosse practice. Convinced.

The union had never backed up. "You want to move the factory? Go ahead and try! We're asking for a 5% raise. We'll strike."

This had ALWAYS worked through the 1960s. Companys just couldn't deal with the inventory interruption and their margins could always absorb the cost. Union wins. But not this time.

A 33% cut in pay would have left them with more purchasing power than the factory workers I know in OH have now, but the union would have ended up much like the capital ended up last week. NOBODY likes taking a YUGE pay cut. And since the point was that with machines the workforce didn't need to be as big, the union would have been responsible for sunsetting 1/3 of the workforce anyway. On their pension dime.

Trumpistas are just people who blame the government for not protecting their wages and their way of life. I sympathize with them I know why.

[CU88]

What percentage of terrorist from the Capitol attack will be cops or have military background?
What percent will be white?

I suspect higher than the normal percentage of US population of same groups...

[a fan]

Trumpistas are just people who blame the government for not protecting their wages and their way of life. I sympathize with them I know why.

Respectfully, that's not it at all.

Trumpistas are people who think that if you get the government "out of the way", and let the free market work, their GED's will get them $70K+ jobs, with full benefits and a fat pension.

It's the libs who blame the government for not protecting their wages and way of life. And they want the government to get off their *sses, stop making life easy for multinational corporations, and start making the working class' life easier.

[CU88]

Rex Chapman@RexChapman

Watching all of the insurgents get arrested for staging a coup by storming the US Capital begs the question. Does Trump still only like people that weren’t captured — or does only that apply to military leaders like McCain?

6:49 PM · Jan 10, 2021

[Typical Lax Dad]

I have my opinions, but what are yours?

It would've been nice if they didn't need to cut the work force but that's where the market was going. It would've been nice if UniRoyal took a profit hit and didn't go with Korea but they are a business where profitability matters. So, one could blame both and... i blame the Union. Keep the same workforce but cut salaries by 33% or whatever or whatever you need to do and realize, the market is changing and do what you need to do to take care of this town for the future. i.e. Go where the market is going. And do it quickly. If not for these workers, for the next generation.

Yeah, I thought that back then but I was barely into puberty and off at Prep School, so I didn't think it through. I listened to my dad who was CEO of the 3rd largest employer in town and apparently we owned a lot of the 5th. Union bad. I went back to lacrosse practice. Convinced.

The union had never backed up. "You want to move the factory? Go ahead and try! We're asking for a 5% raise. We'll strike."

This had ALWAYS worked through the 1960s. Companys just couldn't deal with the inventory interruption and their margins could always absorb the cost. Union wins. But not this time.

A 33% cut in pay would have left them with more purchasing power than the factory workers I know in OH have now, but the union would have ended up much like the capital ended up last week. NOBODY likes taking a YUGE pay cut. And since the point was that with machines the workforce didn't need to be as big, the union would have been responsible for sunsetting 1/3 of the workforce anyway. On their pension dime.

Trumpistas are just people who blame the government for not protecting their wages and their way of life. I sympathize with them I know why.

It is easy to blame our woes on Unions. Unions peaked at 35% of the workforce back in the 50’s and were hacked away and it accelerated under Ronnie:

https://www.baltimoresun.com/bal-bz.uni ... story.html

Where did all of that profit flow to when jobs were eliminated or labor paid less. Fewer and fewer people. Real wages haven’t moved in 30 years.

[old salt]

TLDR 77.

Stuff I saw on Parler --

I opened an account to lurk and amuse myself. This is what I found today:

"Wednesday was a Patriot Inch Erection!!"

I wonder what sort of combat patriot can type this and not feel awkward.....

"The patriots deserve to stage a Cootie Tot because of the Deep State...!!"

It took me a while to realize that this person was so eager to republish what he had viewed on NEWSMAX or OAN that he just went full on phonetic and didn't care. It's Coup d'Etat.


This brings up my larger point. When I grew up in a rather gritty Connecticut factory town, most of the kids graduating from High School marched on graduation day down to the Union Hall and got a job in the same plant their Dad had worked in for decades.

Starting annual pay was a little more than about twice what a nice new Oldsmobile cost. You'd never make a whole lot more than that, but you could then wander over to the local bank and get an FHA loan to buy a house up on Swede Hill and then go find your girlfriend and ask for her hand.

Your income was enough to raise a family and support a hobby and you had a pension so retirement wasn't a problem and your medical and insurance questions were solved and all you had to do is show up unless you were sick or wanted to use your PFT days.

That is gone. The men who had that deal are now dead or elderly, but men my age remember that and blame the government for letting this disappearance happen. And they're right.

Trump promised an ear (just an ear...) for this voter bloc and he straight up failed to follow through. Bernie promises a solution for this voter but he is called Socialist and is rejected by his party.

I understand why these men are ticked. I understand why they want the decades rolled back. I understand why they blame 'politicians and the State".

I just wish they could spell.

The same thing happened with my HS class (except it was the largest Chrysler plant in the US) & they called in sick during deer season.

They was jus' funnin' ya with Inch erection & Cootie tot. That's from a standup routine at the Ozark Opry.

[PizzaSnake]

And that's what we've all been doing for the past few decades. Buying the cheaper donuts from the chain. And reaping the consequences.

Thank you for the story, 77. I have been shopping local and supporting small for 3 years now. I am sure you have as well. I'm tribal enough to think that all of us on this page have.

Let me relate part 2 of this story:

Like....1974. The big plant in town was Uniroyal Footwear. They made 'Keds". LOTS of union line workers making sneakers back in 1974 with 1950 technology.

Uniroyal floated a plan to introduce '70's tech which would have kept Keds competitive against the east asian shoes coming in, but the Union saw that this meant reducing the labor force by 34% and refused.

Uniroyal knew that this was gonna happen, and said that Korea would build a plant to replace our local plant with all the newest shoe tech in place.

The local union went on strike.

Uniroyal move Keds to Korea pretty darned quick. The town folded up shop. Never been the same, frankly.

Who was at fault?
The union for trying to hold on?
Uniroyal for trying to stay competitive?
Korea for trying to get jobs for their people?
The deep state? Ford and Carter? (this was early '70's). Reagan for not fighting back?

I have my opinions, but what are yours?

Story seems to be a little more nuanced than that.

“For Uniroyal, formerly known as the United States Rubber Company, the discontinuance of its domestic Keds operation marks the end of its original product which, as the company spokesman indicated, had been “historically quite profitable.” But imports, the rubber strike and high costs had robbed domestic footwear of its profits, he said, in addition to which the lead time in what essentially became a “fashion business,” became an onerous problem. As a result of the 1976 rubber-industry strike, “We didn't even have styles in 1976 for our salesmen to show.”

On simple, basic models, he said, the American footwear industry can price its footwear at about the same levels as the foreign models but on the morecomplex models, those where a combination of fabrics represent a fashion content, the foreign goods are about 20 percent less expensive than the American products. Currently, it is estimated in the shoe trade that imports of soft shoes, those known as sneakers, represent more than 80 percent of the domestic market.”

https://www.nytimes.com/1978/06/13/arch ... ts-us.html


Got into a little trademark spat with Kinney shoes as well:

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/di ... 2/1488169/

[FannOLax]

Rex Chapman@RexChapman

Watching all of the insurgents get arrested for staging a coup by storming the US Capital begs the question. Does Trump still only like people that weren’t captured — or does only that apply to military leaders like McCain?

6:49 PM · Jan 10, 2021

He doesn't like anyone but himself. These recent insurgents are his pawns, those who swallowed his lies hook, line and sinker, "his base;" but that doesn't mean he likes them, just that he can't afford to speak publicly against them the way he spoke of McCain.

[CU77]

Who was at fault?

No one. Everyone.

It was a confluence of not-to-be-repeated factors in the 40s - 70s that produced the everyone-can-be-middle-class US society, an important one being that our main competitors, Europe & Japan, had some other problems to deal with at the time, like cleaning up all the rubble.

The point of my story about my dad & the donuts was that everyone wants to get the best deal. If there's a better deal to be had, it's very very hard to keep people from finding out about it and wanting to have it.

Put protectionist policies in place, and some young whippersnapper politician is going to make his name shouting that we're all being ripped off by higher prices with the profits all going to the upper class (which would be mostly true, never mind that a big fraction would still be going to support middle-class wages), and let's bring down those protectionist barriers so we can all have cheaper donuts!

[old salt]

I have my opinions, but what are yours?

It would've been nice if they didn't need to cut the work force but that's where the market was going. It would've been nice if UniRoyal took a profit hit and didn't go with Korea but they are a business where profitability matters. So, one could blame both and... i blame the Union. Keep the same workforce but cut salaries by 33% or whatever or whatever you need to do and realize, the market is changing and do what you need to do to take care of this town for the future. i.e. Go where the market is going. And do it quickly. If not for these workers, for the next generation.

Yeah, I thought that back then but I was barely into puberty and off at Prep School, so I didn't think it through. I listened to my dad who was CEO of the 3rd largest employer in town and apparently we owned a lot of the 5th. Union bad. I went back to lacrosse practice. Convinced.

The union had never backed up. "You want to move the factory? Go ahead and try! We're asking for a 5% raise. We'll strike."

This had ALWAYS worked through the 1960s. Companys just couldn't deal with the inventory interruption and their margins could always absorb the cost. Union wins. But not this time.

A 33% cut in pay would have left them with more purchasing power than the factory workers I know in OH have now, but the union would have ended up much like the capital ended up last week. NOBODY likes taking a YUGE pay cut. And since the point was that with machines the workforce didn't need to be as big, the union would have been responsible for sunsetting 1/3 of the workforce anyway. On their pension dime.

Trumpistas are just people who blame the government for not protecting their wages and their way of life. I sympathize with them I know why.

It is easy to blame our woes on Unions. Unions peaked at 35% of the workforce back in the 50’s and were hacked away and it accelerated under Ronnie:

https://www.baltimoresun.com/bal-bz.uni ... story.html

Where did all of that profit flow to when jobs were eliminated or labor paid less. Fewer and fewer people. Real wages haven’t moved in 30 years.

...& what was the ripple effect of that 35% of the workforce on the local retail & service economy ?

[Typical Lax Dad]

I have my opinions, but what are yours?

It would've been nice if they didn't need to cut the work force but that's where the market was going. It would've been nice if UniRoyal took a profit hit and didn't go with Korea but they are a business where profitability matters. So, one could blame both and... i blame the Union. Keep the same workforce but cut salaries by 33% or whatever or whatever you need to do and realize, the market is changing and do what you need to do to take care of this town for the future. i.e. Go where the market is going. And do it quickly. If not for these workers, for the next generation.

Yeah, I thought that back then but I was barely into puberty and off at Prep School, so I didn't think it through. I listened to my dad who was CEO of the 3rd largest employer in town and apparently we owned a lot of the 5th. Union bad. I went back to lacrosse practice. Convinced.

The union had never backed up. "You want to move the factory? Go ahead and try! We're asking for a 5% raise. We'll strike."

This had ALWAYS worked through the 1960s. Companys just couldn't deal with the inventory interruption and their margins could always absorb the cost. Union wins. But not this time.

A 33% cut in pay would have left them with more purchasing power than the factory workers I know in OH have now, but the union would have ended up much like the capital ended up last week. NOBODY likes taking a YUGE pay cut. And since the point was that with machines the workforce didn't need to be as big, the union would have been responsible for sunsetting 1/3 of the workforce anyway. On their pension dime.

Trumpistas are just people who blame the government for not protecting their wages and their way of life. I sympathize with them I know why.

It is easy to blame our woes on Unions. Unions peaked at 35% of the workforce back in the 50’s and were hacked away and it accelerated under Ronnie:

https://www.baltimoresun.com/bal-bz.uni ... story.html

Where did all of that profit flow to when jobs were eliminated or labor paid less. Fewer and fewer people. Real wages haven’t moved in 30 years.

...& what was the ripple effect of that 35% of the workforce on the local retail & service economy ?

Drive over to St. Louie....