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Wheels wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:29 am Terry Foy tweeted about the RPI today...about it's ridiculousness::

https://twitter.com/TerenceFoy/status/1 ... 4490993668

Consider that Maryland's head-to-head win over Princeton benefits Princeton while penalizing Maryland. How? Maryland's undefeated record helps Princeton's RPI (50% based on your opponents' record) but Princeton's loss (and now second loss) hurts Maryland's RPI (50% based on your opponents' record).

rpi eliminates the head to head game you play for your opponents' record tally.

straight rpi as the selection criteria is indeed ridiculous for many reasons. there is one good one -- at least we know why. watching it unfold this year, people's heads may explode when we're done.

This week was a tough one. I added the Lax Reference ELO and the Laxpower Ranking to the data points in parentheses next to each win/loss.


Maryland. 8-0 High Point (29, 20) , Loyola (16, 26), Syracuse (18, 21), Princeton (10, 2), Notre Dame (15, 29) , Albany (41, 53), Virginia (3, 6), Penn State (35, 36)

Virginia. 7-1 Air Force (37, 40), High Point (29, 20), Towson (43, 32), Syracuse (18, 21), Hopkins (26, 14), UNC (11, 9), Notre Dame (15, 29) /// L to Maryland (1,1)

Georgetown. 7-1 Hopkins (26, 14), Penn (12, 4), Notre Dame (15, 29). Mt St Marys (57, 50), Richmond, (24, 19), Utah (42, 30), Lehigh (23, 25) /// L to Princeton (10,2)

Princeton 5-2 Monmouth (46,38) , Binghamton (47, 44), Gtown (2,3) , Rutgers (6,10), Penn (12, 4) /// L to Maryland (1,1), Yale (5,11)

Yale. 4-2 Villanova (14, 18), UMass (19, 23), Denver (8, 13), Princeton (10,2) /// L to Penn State (35, 36), Cornell (4, 5)

Cornell. 6-1 Albany (41, 53), Lehigh (23, 25), Hobart (39, 52), Ohio State (20, 7) , Penn State (35, 36), Yale (5, 11) /// L to Penn (12, 4)

Penn. 4-2 Duke (7,16), Penn State(35, 36), Villanova (14, 18), Cornell (4, 5) /// L to GTown (2,3), Princeton (10,2)

UNC.  7-2 Richmond (24,19), Colgate (55,37), Brown (25,27), Hopkins (26,14), Denver (8,13), High Point (29,20), Bellarmine (65,71) /// L to Ohio State (20,7), Virginia (3,6)

Rutgers. 9-1 LIU (44,45), Marist (50,51), St Johns (69,55), Army (9,12), Loyola (16,26), Stony Brook (40,35), Lafayette (71,54), Hofstra (53,57), Ohio State (20, 7) /// L to Princeton (10,2)

Ohio State. 5-3 Detroit Mercy (56,58), Cleveland State (51,64), North Carolina (11, 9), Harvard (32,8), Notre Dame (15, 29)  /// L to Cornell (4, 5), Denver (8, 13), Rutgers (6,10)

Army. 7-2 UMass (19,23), Sienna (66,68), NJIT (75,70), Syracuse (18, 21), Holy Cross (61,63), Lafayette (71,54), Loyola (16, 26) /// L to Rutgers (6,10), Lehigh (23, 25)

Harvard 6-1 NJIT (75,70), Fairfield (58,48), Michigan (38, 31), Brown (25,27), Boston U (17,15), Dartmouth (54, 34) /// L to Ohio State (20,7)

Boston U. 7-1 Merrimack (45,56), Bryant (34,43), UMass (19,23), Colgate (55,37), Bucknell (30,24), Holy Cross (61,63), Lafayette (71,54). /// L to Harvard (32,8)

Jacksonville. 8-2 Duke (7,16), Mercer (70,60), Marquette (52,59), Denver (8, 13), Air Force (37, 40), Bellarmine (65,71), UMass Lowell (73,72), St Johns (69,55) /// L to Hopkins (26, 14), Utah (42, 30)

Lehigh 4-3 Navy (31,33), NJIT (75,70), Holy Cross (61,63), Army (9,12) /// L to Hobart (39,52), Cornell (4, 5), Georgetown (2,3)

Denver. 5-4 Utah (42, 30) , Air Force (37, 40), Cansius (60,66), Ohio State (20, 7), Towson (43, 32) /// L to Duke (7,16), Jacksonville (21,17), UNC (11,9), Yale (5,11)

Villanova 5-3 Penn State (35, 36), Fairfield (58,48), Hofstra (53,57), Drexel (27,41), Delaware (22,22) /// L to Yale (5,11), Brown (25,27), Penn (12, 4)

UMass 5-3 UMass Lowell (73,72), UAlbany (41, 53), LIU (44,45), Vermont (28,46), Brown (25,27) /// L to Army (9,12), Boston U (17,15), Yale (5,11)

Duke. 8-4 Robert Morris (33,42), Vermont (28,46), Manhattan (63,61), Delaware (22,22), High Point (29, 20), Richmond (24, 19), Towson (43, 32) /// L to Penn (12, 4), Jacksonville (21,17), Loyola (16,26), Syracuse (18,21)

Hopkins. 5-5 Jacksonville (21,17), Towson (43, 32), Loyola (16, 26), Syracuse (18, 21), Michigan (38,31) /// L to UNC (11,9), Georgetown (2,3), Virginia (3,6), Navy (31,33), Delaware (22,22)

Syracuse. 4-4 Holy Cross (61,63), Hobart (39,52), Stony Brook (40,35), Duke (7,16) /// L to Maryland (1,1), Virginia (3,6), Army (9,12), Hopkins (26,14)

Brown 5-3 Quinn (59,67), Vermont (28,46), Villanova (14, 18), Providence (48,47), Stony Brook (40,35) /// L to UNC (11, 9), Harvard (32,8), UMass (19,23)

Michigan 7-3 Bellarmine (65,71), Detroit Mercy (56,58), Holy cross (61,63), Canisus (60,66), Cleveland State (61,54), Delaware (22,22) /// L to Harvard (32,8), Notre Dame (15, 29), Hopkins (26,14)

Delaware. 6-3 NJIT (75,70), MSM (57, 50), St Josephs (13,28), Monmouth (48,38), Marist (50,51), Hopkins (26,14) /// L to Duke (7,16), Michigan (38,31), Villanova (14,18)

Bucknell. 7-2 Mercer (70,60), Robert Morris (33,42), St Johns (69,55) , Marist (50,51), Binghamton (47,44), Penn State (35,36), Colgate (55,37) /// L to Boston U (17,15), Loyola (16,26)

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High Point 5-4 Colgate (55,37), Navy (31,33), Bellarmine (65,71), Robert Morris (33,42) /// L to Maryland (1,1), Virginia (3,6), Duke (7,16), UNC (11,9)
Navy. 6-3 Mercer (70,60), Hofstra (53,57), Manhattan (63,61), Colgate (55,37), Hopkins (26,14), Holy Cross (61,63) /// L to High Point (29,20), Lehigh (23, 25) , MSM (57, 50)
St. Joseph's 7-2 St. Bon (49,39), Penn State (35,36), Providence (48,47), Monmouth (48,38), Towson (43, 32), MSM (57, 50), Wagner (72,65) /// L to Delaware (22,22)
Loyola. 3-5 Lafayette, Duke (7,16), Bucknell (30,24) /// L to Maryland, Hopkins, Rutgers, Towson, Army
Notre Dame. 2-4 Detroit Mercy, Michigan /// L to Georgetown, Maryland, Ohio State, Virginia
Utah 4-3 Vermont, Marquette, Jacksonville (21,17), Mercer /// L to Denver, UMBC, Georgetown

It is interesting that our poll is almost the same as the media poll, with the exception that the media has more love for Notre Dame (15 vs. 20).

I am a bit surprised with the high ranking of Harvard in both polls.

I believe the Ivy league is the top league in front of the ACC an B1G this year. Penn, Princeton, Cornell, and Yale have significant wins and clearly deserve to be in the top 10 in my opinion.

But, Harvard's biggest win is Boston U. They lost to OSU. I don't get why people are ranking them in the top 10. I don't care if a team is 6-1 and they beat NJIT, Fairfield, Michigan, Brown, and Dartmouth. I feel they are a top 15 team, but I think they are floating to the top because people are punishing teams for losing. It will sort itself out when they play Cornell, Penn, Princeton, and Yale to close out the season.

DU-fan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:24 pm It is interesting that our poll is almost the same as the media poll, with the exception that the media has more love for Notre Dame (15 vs. 20).

I am a bit surprised with the high ranking of Harvard in both polls.

I believe the Ivy league is the top league in front of the ACC an B1G this year. Penn, Princeton, Cornell, and Yale have significant wins and clearly deserve to be in the top 10 in my opinion.

But, Harvard's biggest win is Boston U. They lost to OSU. I don't get why people are ranking them in the top 10. I don't care if a team is 6-1 and they beat NJIT, Fairfield, Michigan, Brown, and Dartmouth. I feel they are a top 15 team, but I think they are floating to the top because people are punishing teams for losing. It will sort itself out when they play Cornell, Penn, Princeton, and Yale to close out the season.

The ACC has always had an advantage because the teams are all usually high quality and they play each other multiple times giving them a bounce in SOS and RPI. This season, the Ivy League is experiencing this phenomenon. If the 4 teams in the Ivy League tourney are all highly ranked, this bodes well for having more than 2 Ivies in the NCAA tourney.

DU-fan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:24 pm It is interesting that our poll is almost the same as the media poll, with the exception that the media has more love for Notre Dame (15 vs. 20).

I am a bit surprised with the high ranking of Harvard in both polls.

I believe the Ivy league is the top league in front of the ACC an B1G this year. Penn, Princeton, Cornell, and Yale have significant wins and clearly deserve to be in the top 10 in my opinion.

But, Harvard's biggest win is Boston U. They lost to OSU. I don't get why people are ranking them in the top 10. I don't care if a team is 6-1 and they beat NJIT, Fairfield, Michigan, Brown, and Dartmouth. I feel they are a top 15 team, but I think they are floating to the top because people are punishing teams for losing. It will sort itself out when they play Cornell, Penn, Princeton, and Yale to close out the season.

Army and Ohio St. have a better resume than Harvard, which (for me) landed them at 12 -- which jives with your top 15 comment. But it's a close call.

laxfan1313 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 1:13 pm

DU-fan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:24 pm It is interesting that our poll is almost the same as the media poll, with the exception that the media has more love for Notre Dame (15 vs. 20).

I am a bit surprised with the high ranking of Harvard in both polls.

I believe the Ivy league is the top league in front of the ACC an B1G this year. Penn, Princeton, Cornell, and Yale have significant wins and clearly deserve to be in the top 10 in my opinion.

But, Harvard's biggest win is Boston U. They lost to OSU. I don't get why people are ranking them in the top 10. I don't care if a team is 6-1 and they beat NJIT, Fairfield, Michigan, Brown, and Dartmouth. I feel they are a top 15 team, but I think they are floating to the top because people are punishing teams for losing. It will sort itself out when they play Cornell, Penn, Princeton, and Yale to close out the season.

The ACC has always had an advantage because the teams are all usually high quality and they play each other multiple times giving them a bounce in SOS and RPI. This season, the Ivy League is experiencing this phenomenon. If the 4 teams in the Ivy League tourney are all highly ranked, this bodes well for having more than 2 Ivies in the NCAA tourney.

Agreed. I think the conference tournaments have more significance this year, more than in the past because we have more quality distributed between the teams. With the exception of Maryland, anyone in the top 25 has a viable chance of beating each other.

How many of the 8 At Larges per conference this year? Conference upsets will make this hard to predict and a lot of fun. The conference tournaments are really also play ins for the NCAA tournament for many of the teams on the outside.

Ivy - 2 or 3? if Harvard, Yale, or Cornell win, I assume Princeton and Penn still get in
B1G - 1 or 2? if OSU wins, I assume UMD and Rutgers are still in
ACC - 2 or 3? Will Duke, ND, and/or Syracuse miss the cut?
BE - 1? if Denver or Nova wins, I assume Georgetown will still get in
Patriot - 1? if Army wins, does Boston U get in?

America East - 0
ASUN - 0
CAA - 0
MAAC - 0
NEC - 0
SoCon - 0

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 1:38 pm

DU-fan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:24 pm It is interesting that our poll is almost the same as the media poll, with the exception that the media has more love for Notre Dame (15 vs. 20).

I am a bit surprised with the high ranking of Harvard in both polls.

I believe the Ivy league is the top league in front of the ACC an B1G this year. Penn, Princeton, Cornell, and Yale have significant wins and clearly deserve to be in the top 10 in my opinion.

But, Harvard's biggest win is Boston U. They lost to OSU. I don't get why people are ranking them in the top 10. I don't care if a team is 6-1 and they beat NJIT, Fairfield, Michigan, Brown, and Dartmouth. I feel they are a top 15 team, but I think they are floating to the top because people are punishing teams for losing. It will sort itself out when they play Cornell, Penn, Princeton, and Yale to close out the season.

Army and Ohio St. have a clearly better resume than Harvard, which (for me) landed them at 12 -- which jives with your top 15 comment.

Rolldodge - Yup. Great job on your breakdown in the your ranking. I wish everyone in the media spent that much time on it.

DU-fan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 1:39 pm

laxfan1313 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 1:13 pm

DU-fan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:24 pm It is interesting that our poll is almost the same as the media poll, with the exception that the media has more love for Notre Dame (15 vs. 20).

I am a bit surprised with the high ranking of Harvard in both polls.

I believe the Ivy league is the top league in front of the ACC an B1G this year. Penn, Princeton, Cornell, and Yale have significant wins and clearly deserve to be in the top 10 in my opinion.

But, Harvard's biggest win is Boston U. They lost to OSU. I don't get why people are ranking them in the top 10. I don't care if a team is 6-1 and they beat NJIT, Fairfield, Michigan, Brown, and Dartmouth. I feel they are a top 15 team, but I think they are floating to the top because people are punishing teams for losing. It will sort itself out when they play Cornell, Penn, Princeton, and Yale to close out the season.

The ACC has always had an advantage because the teams are all usually high quality and they play each other multiple times giving them a bounce in SOS and RPI. This season, the Ivy League is experiencing this phenomenon. If the 4 teams in the Ivy League tourney are all highly ranked, this bodes well for having more than 2 Ivies in the NCAA tourney.

Agreed. I think the conference tournaments have more significance this more year, more than in the past because we have more quality distributed between the teams. With the exception of Maryland, anyone in the top 25 has a viable chance of beating each other.

How many of the 8 At Larges per conference this year? Conference upsets will make this hard to predict and a lot of fun. The conference tournaments are really also play ins for the NCAA tournament for many of the teams on the outside.

Ivy - 2 or 3? if Harvard, Yale, or Cornell win, I assume Princeton and Penn still get in
B1G - 1 or 2? if OSU wins, I assume UMD and Rutgers are still in
ACC - 2 or 3? Will Duke, ND, and/or Syracuse miss the cut?
BE - 1? if Denver or Nova wins, I assume Georgetown will still get in
Patriot - 1? if Army wins, does Boston U get in?

America East - 0
ASUN - 0
CAA - 0
MAAC - 0
NEC - 0
SoCon - 0

I wouldn't sleep on the Big East. Denver has an RPI of 20 and Villanova of 18 right now. Laxpower has them at 14 and 19.

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 1:42 pm
I wouldn't sleep on the Big East. Denver has an RPI of 20 and Villanova of 18 right now. Laxpower has them at 14 and 19.

Those RPIs will drop, though, as they play St. John's, Marquette, and Providence (all sub-45 RPIs).

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:16 am

Wheels wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:29 am Terry Foy tweeted about the RPI today...about it's ridiculousness::

https://twitter.com/TerenceFoy/status/1 ... 4490993668

Consider that Maryland's head-to-head win over Princeton benefits Princeton while penalizing Maryland. How? Maryland's undefeated record helps Princeton's RPI (50% based on your opponents' record) but Princeton's loss (and now second loss) hurts Maryland's RPI (50% based on your opponents' record).

rpi eliminates the head to head game you play for your opponents' record tally.

straight rpi as the selection criteria is indeed ridiculous for many reasons. there is one good one -- at least we know why. watching it unfold this year, people's heads may explode when we're done.

Thanks for the clarification, although it is still odd that Princeton benefits more from MD being undefeated than it helps MD for, you know, being undefeated. Right now, Princeton's RPI is farther ahead of Maryland's RPI than Maryland's is ahead of UVA's. Princeton's SOS is 3, MD's is 5, and UVA's is 4. So it's not like the Terps have run up their record playing a bunch a bums.

DU-fan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:24 pm It is interesting that our poll is almost the same as the media poll, with the exception that the media has more love for Notre Dame (15 vs. 20).

I am a bit surprised with the high ranking of Harvard in both polls.

I believe the Ivy league is the top league in front of the ACC an B1G this year. Penn, Princeton, Cornell, and Yale have significant wins and clearly deserve to be in the top 10 in my opinion.

But, Harvard's biggest win is Boston U. They lost to OSU. I don't get why people are ranking them in the top 10. I don't care if a team is 6-1 and they beat NJIT, Fairfield, Michigan, Brown, and Dartmouth. I feel they are a top 15 team, but I think they are floating to the top because people are punishing teams for losing. It will sort itself out when they play Cornell, Penn, Princeton, and Yale to close out the season.

Don't want to pick a fight, and we're all entitled to our own opinion, but.....following that logic, how do you rank ND (2-4 with wins over Michigan and Detroit Mercy; loss to the same Ohio State team+ losses to top 5 teams) above Harvard? or rank them at all for that matter? 6 games left (5 of which are ACC). If they go 4-2, they'd still need to make the ACC tourney final game to be NCAA eligible.

drunkmonkey30 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 2:36 pm

DU-fan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:24 pm It is interesting that our poll is almost the same as the media poll, with the exception that the media has more love for Notre Dame (15 vs. 20).

I am a bit surprised with the high ranking of Harvard in both polls.

I believe the Ivy league is the top league in front of the ACC an B1G this year. Penn, Princeton, Cornell, and Yale have significant wins and clearly deserve to be in the top 10 in my opinion.

But, Harvard's biggest win is Boston U. They lost to OSU. I don't get why people are ranking them in the top 10. I don't care if a team is 6-1 and they beat NJIT, Fairfield, Michigan, Brown, and Dartmouth. I feel they are a top 15 team, but I think they are floating to the top because people are punishing teams for losing. It will sort itself out when they play Cornell, Penn, Princeton, and Yale to close out the season.

Don't want to pick a fight, and we're all entitled to our own opinion, but.....following that logic, how do you rank ND (2-4 with wins over Michigan and Detroit Mercy; loss to the same Ohio State team+ losses to top 5 teams) above Harvard? or rank them at all for that matter? 6 games left (5 of which are ACC). If they go 4-2, they'd still need to make the ACC tourney final game to be NCAA eligible.

I agree with you and think I ranked ND too high based on reputation and my personal bias. Based on last year, I think they will beat Syracuse this week. If they don't, I will not have them in my top 20.

drunkmonkey30 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 2:36 pm

DU-fan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:24 pm It is interesting that our poll is almost the same as the media poll, with the exception that the media has more love for Notre Dame (15 vs. 20).

I am a bit surprised with the high ranking of Harvard in both polls.

I believe the Ivy league is the top league in front of the ACC an B1G this year. Penn, Princeton, Cornell, and Yale have significant wins and clearly deserve to be in the top 10 in my opinion.

But, Harvard's biggest win is Boston U. They lost to OSU. I don't get why people are ranking them in the top 10. I don't care if a team is 6-1 and they beat NJIT, Fairfield, Michigan, Brown, and Dartmouth. I feel they are a top 15 team, but I think they are floating to the top because people are punishing teams for losing. It will sort itself out when they play Cornell, Penn, Princeton, and Yale to close out the season.

Don't want to pick a fight, and we're all entitled to our own opinion, but.....following that logic, how do you rank ND (2-4 with wins over Michigan and Detroit Mercy; loss to the same Ohio State team+ losses to top 5 teams) above Harvard? or rank them at all for that matter? 6 games left (5 of which are ACC). If they go 4-2, they'd still need to make the ACC tourney final game to be NCAA eligible.

there is no acc tourney this year.

Wheels wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 2:26 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:16 am

Wheels wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:29 am Terry Foy tweeted about the RPI today...about it's ridiculousness::

https://twitter.com/TerenceFoy/status/1 ... 4490993668

Consider that Maryland's head-to-head win over Princeton benefits Princeton while penalizing Maryland. How? Maryland's undefeated record helps Princeton's RPI (50% based on your opponents' record) but Princeton's loss (and now second loss) hurts Maryland's RPI (50% based on your opponents' record).

rpi eliminates the head to head game you play for your opponents' record tally.

straight rpi as the selection criteria is indeed ridiculous for many reasons. there is one good one -- at least we know why. watching it unfold this year, people's heads may explode when we're done.

Thanks for the clarification, although it is still odd that Princeton benefits more from MD being undefeated than it helps MD for, you know, being undefeated. Right now, Princeton's RPI is farther ahead of Maryland's RPI than Maryland's is ahead of UVA's. Princeton's SOS is 3, MD's is 5, and UVA's is 4. So it's not like the Terps have run up their record playing a bunch a bums.

maryland will be fine, of course.

it doesn't help p'ton more than maryland because their win in the record column carries much more weight than any singular game of your opponents' record.

say everyone played 15 games. 1 win helps your percentage 1/15 times 0.25. only 15 games are being counted.

if maryland was 6 and 1 for cornell's purposes vs 7 and 0, then that would be one game out of 210 (15x15 minus 15) times 0.50. the ultimate impact of one game is much less.

once you get to opponents' opponents' record, there's so much double counting vs other teams and the same game that's both a win and a loss that it's measuring over 3,000 games and there's only like 550+ games played the whole year. so the margins between teams are thin as will be the multiple x 0.25. but can help very incrementally.

so maryland gets a much bigger benefit by winning than the difference of 7 and 0 vs 6 and 1 or even the 5 and 1 of princeton that umd gets. and p'ton gets nicked by losing on their rpi total number, but the key is that other teams are nicked more by losing to worse teams and having weaker teams on their schedule, theoretically.

rpi is bad, could be improved upon by another setup... but is at least objective. and there's no surprise new or rotating selection idea utilized by an ex-soccer playing a.d.

Wheels wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 2:17 pm

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 1:42 pm
I wouldn't sleep on the Big East. Denver has an RPI of 20 and Villanova of 18 right now. Laxpower has them at 14 and 19.

Those RPIs will drop, though, as they play St. John's, Marquette, and Providence (all sub-45 RPIs).

Good point. Will have to see how that balances out with playing Georgetown, plus each other ... and then each other and/or Georgetown again in the Big East Tournament.

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:36 pm

Wheels wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 2:17 pm

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 1:42 pm
I wouldn't sleep on the Big East. Denver has an RPI of 20 and Villanova of 18 right now. Laxpower has them at 14 and 19.

Those RPIs will drop, though, as they play St. John's, Marquette, and Providence (all sub-45 RPIs).

Good point. Will have to see how that balances out with playing Georgetown, plus each other ... and then each other and/or Georgetown again in the Big East Tournament.

the b1g might regret having all 6 teams in their tourney. and the acc might regret adding their games as they have as well.

DU-fan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 1:40 pm

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 1:38 pm

DU-fan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:24 pm It is interesting that our poll is almost the same as the media poll, with the exception that the media has more love for Notre Dame (15 vs. 20).

I am a bit surprised with the high ranking of Harvard in both polls.

I believe the Ivy league is the top league in front of the ACC an B1G this year. Penn, Princeton, Cornell, and Yale have significant wins and clearly deserve to be in the top 10 in my opinion.

But, Harvard's biggest win is Boston U. They lost to OSU. I don't get why people are ranking them in the top 10. I don't care if a team is 6-1 and they beat NJIT, Fairfield, Michigan, Brown, and Dartmouth. I feel they are a top 15 team, but I think they are floating to the top because people are punishing teams for losing. It will sort itself out when they play Cornell, Penn, Princeton, and Yale to close out the season.

Army and Ohio St. have a clearly better resume than Harvard, which (for me) landed them at 12 -- which jives with your top 15 comment.

Rolldodge - Yup. Great job on your breakdown in the your ranking. I wish everyone in the media spent that much time on it.

Related to this ... A very interesting discrepancy I came across in my research ... Lacrosse Reference's ELO has Harvard at 32. While Laxpower ranking has them at 10 and RPI is 6(!). By far the greatest disparity between these rankings.

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:02 pm

DU-fan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 1:40 pm

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 1:38 pm

DU-fan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:24 pm It is interesting that our poll is almost the same as the media poll, with the exception that the media has more love for Notre Dame (15 vs. 20).

I am a bit surprised with the high ranking of Harvard in both polls.

I believe the Ivy league is the top league in front of the ACC an B1G this year. Penn, Princeton, Cornell, and Yale have significant wins and clearly deserve to be in the top 10 in my opinion.

But, Harvard's biggest win is Boston U. They lost to OSU. I don't get why people are ranking them in the top 10. I don't care if a team is 6-1 and they beat NJIT, Fairfield, Michigan, Brown, and Dartmouth. I feel they are a top 15 team, but I think they are floating to the top because people are punishing teams for losing. It will sort itself out when they play Cornell, Penn, Princeton, and Yale to close out the season.

Army and Ohio St. have a clearly better resume than Harvard, which (for me) landed them at 12 -- which jives with your top 15 comment.

Rolldodge - Yup. Great job on your breakdown in the your ranking. I wish everyone in the media spent that much time on it.

Related to this ... A very interesting discrepancy I came across in my research ... Lacrosse Reference's ELO has Harvard at 32. While Laxpower ranking has them at 10 and RPI is 6(!). By far the greatest disparity between these rankings.

I believe the ELO carries weight from previous seasons, so Harvard started at a much lower point.

Where are you getting your laxpower rankings?
I am using: http://college.laxpower2.com/menx/rating01.php