frmanfan wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:40 pm
fan, you have either lost your ability to read posts, or gone off your rocker. Maybe testing the product too much??
Do you really think China has enough power, today, to fight the US? 1.2 billion people, most of whom (like 90%) live well below the average world income level, and 1/5 the level of the US?
Well, at least you got part of the equation right: China is by and large a 3rd world nation. You think their leadership cares about how a fake-Trade War from Trump affects their people? Yeah, me neither. So what does that mean?
It means they're going to go right on stealing intellectual property, and if the trade war gets much worse, our bottom half of earners are stuck with the trade war. Whoops.
So to answer your question, yes, I absolutely think that China has enough power to tell Trump to put it where the sun doesn't shine, and they have no intention of changing our trade deals anywhere past what NAFTA was changed do: token changes that lets Trump declare victory, but has next to no effect on our
overall trade. In other words, tweaks with no major changes, our trade deficit with China continues, and they keep stealing intellectual property. Happy to wager on this if you'd like. Easiest bet I'll ever make.
Trump expires in less than 24 months. All China has to do is wait him out.......Have you noticed that's exactly what they've been doing yet?
frmanfan wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:40 pm
but who has more to risk if the paper becomes useless and the US tells them to go pound sand?
Easy answer. If we did that, we'd no longer be able to sell bonds. Our economy would collapse, and we could never borrow again. The entire world would be in free fall.
Meanwhile, what does China care? Bulk of the country is subsistence farming. They'll be fine. Meanwhile, ask an American what they'd think if they lost WiFi for a week.
frmanfan wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:40 pm
What I said was that if we don't protect the basic industries like steel, we lose much more than that. I am way too small to have any protection from anybody, but if all my suppliers go out of business because they have nobody left to service, and the steel industry is the big one, then we lose the steel business, the aluminum business, the glass business. You lose the basic industries and you start to lose your engineers, then you lose your technical ability to do anything other than computers. Robotics for who? There will be no industry to use robots. How long before you lose the technical side of your higher education system if the need for engineers and scientists has moved away from the USA? Then to top that all off, since we have lost our entire technical engineering and manufacturing ability, we lose the ability to produce military materiel. Doesn't that make us a much safer and secure country!
But it will be ok, because the main goal of the plan is to create high paying jobs, millions of them. Doing what they don't say. Think I'm crazy? Remember that England was once the industrial power of the world, but they failed to protect it from us.
Well, I'll be. You're a 70's Democrat. And you should be flipping out over Cortez. She's offering to fix all that.
If you believe what you are writing----Cortez is offering your workers free training and a free education. What have the merry morons of the R's been offering for 50 years? That's right: freer trade, union busting judges, and more money for the 1%. The very idea of protective trade practices is what Reagan and the R's fought against and dismantled in 8 short years. Then the corporate Dems like Clinton finished them off.
My point, which you are ignoring, is that you think only steel and engineering deserves the protectionism of tariffs. Sorry, that's not even remotely fair to the rest of us who contribute just fine to the American economy.
frmanfan wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:40 pm
that outrageous spending was the impetus of the Tea Party movement. I was for that part of it, but it got lost.
The Tea Party was mad that a black man was in charge. Period. Where are they now that whitey is spending TRILLIONS more than Obama ever dreamed of spending?
That's right. They're nowhere to be found. Just as I and other foretold, all objections to the contrary. Haven't heard peep one from the Tea Party or FoxNation since a white Republican took office. Suddenly, spending is cool again. Shocker.
frmanfan wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:40 pm
And you lose me when you say that the Rs have had 20 years to legislate. How do you figure that?
Control of Congress from 1995-2019, minus a handful of 2 year gaps, they controlled the show.
frmanfan wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:40 pm
Read the Green Dream, and tell me that it is a good plan, and convince me that it will make the US stronger. Convince me that the bulk of the plan has anything to do with the climate. Convince me it wasn't written by a moron who is the result of the union-led inner city education system we have today, for it is written at that level. Convince me that the rest of the world will hop on the bus and raise the cost of living to all of their citizens for no benefit. Convince me that the plan isn't so full of contradictory statements and goals that your head spins trying to figure out the plan. Unless the goal is to make the US weaker, it is a Green Nightmare.
You mean like "this massive tax cut will pay for itself"?
Or "we'll be greeted as liberators"?
Or "lets fund a Space force"
Or "lets give farmers $17 Billion in cash for no reason"
Or "hey a fan, revenues are up.....duuuuuuh, what's a deficit?"
Or "let's build a 1,000 mile fence that even a child knows is pointless"
Or how about the time we removed Saddam Hussein, and then acted shocked that Iran filled the power void we left for them in the Middle East?
Or how about people with Degrees from the University of Virginia or UMich, or Ohio State coming on these boards, telling me how bad socialism is, with absolutely no idea why that statement is so profoundly moronic?
If you're looking for me to tell you Ocascio Cortez's ideas are stupid, I'm sorry my man. Her ideas don't even finish in the top 100 for stupid ideas that have destroyed our country and left us broke..and that's just in the last 20 years. She's an amateur, I'll give you that. But that's all I'll give.
THAT is why I am flat out laughing at these over the top reactions to this woman.