kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:48 am
It wasn't speculation. Hunter’s controversial business dealings in Ukraine and China were all confirmed. As were the legitimacy of the 20K+ emails, videos, texts and data on the hard drive:
Check the dates of the "confirmations". So yep, the story could have been cleared to run......in 2022.
Kram-----you're REALLY going to pretend a former journalist doesn't get this? Come on, man.
They gave the alleged files----in pieces, to the NYPost three weeks before the election, kram.
Stop pretending you don't know this.
Your former employer would NEVER have run this story before the election. The Posts own writers wouldn't sign off on the piece, FFS.
Why are you acting like you don't understand this?
I do understand it. Quite well.
The NY Post did break/run it. They took the risk. So it was already a report and out in the ether for public consumption.
Fair game.
It was also proven to be correct. Many times over.
Question the 'truthiness' of outlets like The NY Post all you want. But lots of these entertainment/news outlets are breaking legit news lately. NY Post, TMZ, etc. Tasteless? Yes. But truthful? Also yes. And they provide an opening for traditional "real" news outlets that are often mired in things like standards, unspoken gentlemen's agreements, and "class" to be able to question/dig/ investigate those in charge.
Care to explain why the reporter at the Post had his name removed from the byline at the time?
"The New York Post’s own journalists say they are skeptical of the paper’s stories about Hunter Biden, including the man who wrote most of the “smoking gun” story and would not put his name on it, four newsroom sources told Intelligencer."
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:48 am
It wasn't speculation. Hunter’s controversial business dealings in Ukraine and China were all confirmed. As were the legitimacy of the 20K+ emails, videos, texts and data on the hard drive:
Check the dates of the "confirmations". So yep, the story could have been cleared to run......in 2022.
Kram-----you're REALLY going to pretend a former journalist doesn't get this? Come on, man.
They gave the alleged files----in pieces, to the NYPost three weeks before the election, kram.
Stop pretending you don't know this.
Your former employer would NEVER have run this story before the election. The Posts own writers wouldn't sign off on the piece, FFS.
Why are you acting like you don't understand this?
I do understand it. Quite well.
The NY Post did break/run it. They took the risk. So it was already a report and out in the ether for public consumption.
Fair game.
It was also proven to be correct. Many times over.
Question the 'truthiness' of outlets like The NY Post all you want. But lots of these entertainment/news outlets are breaking legit news lately. NY Post, TMZ, etc. Tasteless? Yes. But truthful? Also yes. And they provide an opening for traditional "real" news outlets that are often mired in things like standards, unspoken gentlemen's agreements, and "class" to be able to question/dig/ investigate those in charge.
Woah, not necessarily "truthful"...we still don't know who actually dropped off the laptop, whether it had been altered by whoever did so, for that matter whether Hunter ever even owned it...
did it have any content that was accurate...yes...where was that content actually from? do we actually know?
what else do we know? That Rudy was the vehicle for disclosure...why was Rudy ever involved? Does he have credibility?
But sure, some sleazy journalists would decide to publish...happens all the time.
But a non-sleazy publisher has zero obligation to repeat sleazy, unproven information...until it is proven and relevant, with fair opportunity for response.
and a social media platform has absolutely no obligation to allow their megaphone on steroids to be used to push unproven, sleazy information.
Did you respond to my Don jr and girlfriend coke snorting hypothetical? with a lying POS Dem providing a 'laptop' with 'proof', along with speculation about Donald sr knowing and approving it?
It's not like many, many people don't think that Don and girlfriend snorted a lot right before their speeches...so...plausible...let's publish some speculation right before the election...
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PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:06 am
I'm surprised he isn't experimenting on humans...yet. Wait until people go to Mars. What do you suppose will go on there?
"Those complaints include claims that pressure from Musk—who is the company’s CEO—to speed up the development of Neuralink’s technology has led to substandard experiments. Reuters reported that these failed experiments needed to be repeated, leading to more and more test animals being killed.
Current and former employees told the news agency that Musk was pushing hard for faster progress at Neuralink, telling employees in a February email: “In general, we are simply not moving fast enough. It is driving me nuts!”
That internal memo reportedly came 10 minutes after another message from Musk that included a news article about Swiss scientists whose electrical implant helped a paralyzed man to walk."
HIs ego couldn't tolerate not being the "first". He is a danger to society that needs to be removed. If any of his supporters think that he regards them as more than "props" they are delusional.
... as I have watched this guy over the past year to 18 months it seems more and more like he has a deep seeded psychological problem, not unlike Trump's. He is certainly not what his press sells him as. As the curtain is rolled back he will become more unstable.
Sounds more like jealousy and judgery.
The likes of Picasso, DaVinci, Napoleon Bonaparte, Marie Curie, Lee Byung-Chull...all significant contributors to changing history and are claimed to suffer from mental illness.
Then again there's Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh who often did weird things - like railing against immigrants and immigration (especiallly anti-semitic hate and vitriol) and accepting honors from Hitler and Goering in 1930s. Ford even bought a newspaper so promote his views
... actually I have thought this was part of Musk's motivation for owning Twitter. Too argue for his place in History, to give his position a leg up. Like Trump he is an attention whore.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:48 am
It wasn't speculation. Hunter’s controversial business dealings in Ukraine and China were all confirmed. As were the legitimacy of the 20K+ emails, videos, texts and data on the hard drive:
Check the dates of the "confirmations". So yep, the story could have been cleared to run......in 2022.
Kram-----you're REALLY going to pretend a former journalist doesn't get this? Come on, man.
They gave the alleged files----in pieces, to the NYPost three weeks before the election, kram.
Stop pretending you don't know this.
Your former employer would NEVER have run this story before the election. The Posts own writers wouldn't sign off on the piece, FFS.
Why are you acting like you don't understand this?
I do understand it. Quite well.
The NY Post did break/run it. They took the risk. So it was already a report and out in the ether for public consumption.
Great. Then why are you complaining that other outlets chose not to run the thing without getting more information? Why are you leaving out these details, my man? It was a classic "October surprise"....executed by Trump's head weasel.
You're not being honest here, my man. You know perfectly well why other outlets refused to run it.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:07 pm
It was also proven to be correct. Many times over.
And it was also proven that there was hilariously nothing criminal in there. Not one law broken.
Guess what that means? That means that those who chose not to run it were also vindicated, my man. Nothing of import to the Republic was in those files.
So....why aren't you simply saying it all worked out? Why are you complaining?
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:06 am
I'm surprised he isn't experimenting on humans...yet. Wait until people go to Mars. What do you suppose will go on there?
"Those complaints include claims that pressure from Musk—who is the company’s CEO—to speed up the development of Neuralink’s technology has led to substandard experiments. Reuters reported that these failed experiments needed to be repeated, leading to more and more test animals being killed.
Current and former employees told the news agency that Musk was pushing hard for faster progress at Neuralink, telling employees in a February email: “In general, we are simply not moving fast enough. It is driving me nuts!”
That internal memo reportedly came 10 minutes after another message from Musk that included a news article about Swiss scientists whose electrical implant helped a paralyzed man to walk."
HIs ego couldn't tolerate not being the "first". He is a danger to society that needs to be removed. If any of his supporters think that he regards them as more than "props" they are delusional.
... as I have watched this guy over the past year to 18 months it seems more and more like he has a deep seeded psychological problem, not unlike Trump's. He is certainly not what his press sells him as. As the curtain is rolled back he will become more unstable.His
Sounds more like jealousy and judgery.
The likes of Picasso, DaVinci, Napoleon Bonaparte, Marie Curie, Lee Byung-Chull...all significant contributors to changing history and are claimed to suffer from mental illness.
... jealous of what? His fame, his money? You do not know me at all. Neither fame nor money were ever goals of mine. I have in my life nonetheless achieved a little of each without really trying. My motivators are very far from what society would consider usual.
I will stand by my observations and analysis, thank you.
Thanks for the reply. My original comment was to be viewed as more thought provoking, and for you to think more about others, rather than judging and implying the worse is yet to come. You made an accusation that he has deep seeded psych issues, comparing him to Trump...then proceed to go on to predict matters getting worse. Not sure why you would want that for someone?
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kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:48 am
It wasn't speculation. Hunter’s controversial business dealings in Ukraine and China were all confirmed. As were the legitimacy of the 20K+ emails, videos, texts and data on the hard drive:
Check the dates of the "confirmations". So yep, the story could have been cleared to run......in 2022.
Kram-----you're REALLY going to pretend a former journalist doesn't get this? Come on, man.
They gave the alleged files----in pieces, to the NYPost three weeks before the election, kram.
Stop pretending you don't know this.
Your former employer would NEVER have run this story before the election. The Posts own writers wouldn't sign off on the piece, FFS.
Why are you acting like you don't understand this?
I do understand it. Quite well.
The NY Post did break/run it. They took the risk. So it was already a report and out in the ether for public consumption.
Fair game.
It was also proven to be correct. Many times over.
Question the 'truthiness' of outlets like The NY Post all you want. But lots of these entertainment/news outlets are breaking legit news lately. NY Post, TMZ, etc. Tasteless? Yes. But truthful? Also yes. And they provide an opening for traditional "real" news outlets that are often mired in things like standards, unspoken gentlemen's agreements, and "class" to be able to question/dig/ investigate those in charge.
Kramer, you wanted Joe Biden to be diminished because his son is a crackhead.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:48 am
It wasn't speculation. Hunter’s controversial business dealings in Ukraine and China were all confirmed. As were the legitimacy of the 20K+ emails, videos, texts and data on the hard drive:
Check the dates of the "confirmations". So yep, the story could have been cleared to run......in 2022.
Kram-----you're REALLY going to pretend a former journalist doesn't get this? Come on, man.
They gave the alleged files----in pieces, to the NYPost three weeks before the election, kram.
Stop pretending you don't know this.
Your former employer would NEVER have run this story before the election. The Posts own writers wouldn't sign off on the piece, FFS.
Why are you acting like you don't understand this?
I do understand it. Quite well.
The NY Post did break/run it. They took the risk. So it was already a report and out in the ether for public consumption.
Great. Then why are you complaining that other outlets chose not to run the thing without getting more information? Why are you leaving out these details, my man? It was a classic "October surprise"....executed by Trump's head weasel.
You're not being honest here, my man. You know perfectly well why other outlets refused to run it.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:07 pm
It was also proven to be correct. Many times over.
And it was also proven that there was hilariously nothing criminal in there. Not one law broken.
Guess what that means? That means that those who chose not to run it were also vindicated, my man. Nothing of import to the Republic was in those files.
So....why aren't you simply saying it all worked out? Why are you complaining?
I am glad Kramer left the industry. No sense of journalism prudence. The internet is a good vehicle. Good riddance. There is a good reason why the FBI has a blackout period when it comes to acknowledging investigations of Presidential candidates. The media influences folk….ask Hillary…..the empirical data supports it.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:48 am
It wasn't speculation. Hunter’s controversial business dealings in Ukraine and China were all confirmed. As were the legitimacy of the 20K+ emails, videos, texts and data on the hard drive:
Check the dates of the "confirmations". So yep, the story could have been cleared to run......in 2022.
Kram-----you're REALLY going to pretend a former journalist doesn't get this? Come on, man.
They gave the alleged files----in pieces, to the NYPost three weeks before the election, kram.
Stop pretending you don't know this.
Your former employer would NEVER have run this story before the election. The Posts own writers wouldn't sign off on the piece, FFS.
Why are you acting like you don't understand this?
I do understand it. Quite well.
The NY Post did break/run it. They took the risk. So it was already a report and out in the ether for public consumption.
Fair game.
It was also proven to be correct. Many times over.
Question the 'truthiness' of outlets like The NY Post all you want. But lots of these entertainment/news outlets are breaking legit news lately. NY Post, TMZ, etc. Tasteless? Yes. But truthful? Also yes. And they provide an opening for traditional "real" news outlets that are often mired in things like standards, unspoken gentlemen's agreements, and "class" to be able to question/dig/ investigate those in charge.
Kramer, you wanted Joe Biden to be diminished because his son is a crackhead.
Of course that's the case.
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:48 am
It wasn't speculation. Hunter’s controversial business dealings in Ukraine and China were all confirmed. As were the legitimacy of the 20K+ emails, videos, texts and data on the hard drive:
Check the dates of the "confirmations". So yep, the story could have been cleared to run......in 2022.
Kram-----you're REALLY going to pretend a former journalist doesn't get this? Come on, man.
They gave the alleged files----in pieces, to the NYPost three weeks before the election, kram.
Stop pretending you don't know this.
Your former employer would NEVER have run this story before the election. The Posts own writers wouldn't sign off on the piece, FFS.
Why are you acting like you don't understand this?
I do understand it. Quite well.
The NY Post did break/run it. They took the risk. So it was already a report and out in the ether for public consumption.
Fair game.
It was also proven to be correct. Many times over.
Question the 'truthiness' of outlets like The NY Post all you want. But lots of these entertainment/news outlets are breaking legit news lately. NY Post, TMZ, etc. Tasteless? Yes. But truthful? Also yes. And they provide an opening for traditional "real" news outlets that are often mired in things like standards, unspoken gentlemen's agreements, and "class" to be able to question/dig/ investigate those in charge.
Care to explain why the reporter at the Post had his name removed from the byline at the time?
"The New York Post’s own journalists say they are skeptical of the paper’s stories about Hunter Biden, including the man who wrote most of the “smoking gun” story and would not put his name on it, four newsroom sources told Intelligencer."
Yes- The reporter could have not wanted to write it but been ordered to do so. You are allowed to request your name not be associated with any story. The content still belongs to the Post Editorial Board who published it.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:48 am
It wasn't speculation. Hunter’s controversial business dealings in Ukraine and China were all confirmed. As were the legitimacy of the 20K+ emails, videos, texts and data on the hard drive:
Check the dates of the "confirmations". So yep, the story could have been cleared to run......in 2022.
Kram-----you're REALLY going to pretend a former journalist doesn't get this? Come on, man.
They gave the alleged files----in pieces, to the NYPost three weeks before the election, kram.
Stop pretending you don't know this.
Your former employer would NEVER have run this story before the election. The Posts own writers wouldn't sign off on the piece, FFS.
Why are you acting like you don't understand this?
I do understand it. Quite well.
The NY Post did break/run it. They took the risk. So it was already a report and out in the ether for public consumption.
Great. Then why are you complaining that other outlets chose not to run the thing without getting more information? Why are you leaving out these details, my man? It was a classic "October surprise"....executed by Trump's head weasel.
You're not being honest here, my man. You know perfectly well why other outlets refused to run it.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:07 pm
It was also proven to be correct. Many times over.
And it was also proven that there was hilariously nothing criminal in there. Not one law broken.
Guess what that means? That means that those who chose not to run it were also vindicated, my man. Nothing of import to the Republic was in those files.
So....why aren't you simply saying it all worked out? Why are you complaining?
Uhm, I’m not questioning the news part of it. Or even saying Hunter did anything illegal. He doesn’t have to for it to be “news.” I’m complaining about Twitter censoring people over politics. Biden people censoring citizens because it makes them look bad. Rumor or truth, it doesn’t matter.
Biden’s group goes out of its way to suppress free talk and hide an actual reported story and you are happy about it? Wanna give them a pass?
What’s the next thing biden won’t let us talk about?
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 4:15 pm
I’m complaining about Twitter censoring people over politics.
You just got done, in your last post to me....admitting and agreeing with me that this happens ALL THE TIME.
The owner of the Press gets to choose what to print. Period. End of story.
You've done a 180, and are now telling me that twitter doesn't get a choice.
So...which is it? Do these companies get to do whatever the F they want, or not? You're changing your mind by the post.
Your partisanship is keeping you from seeing the forest from the trees. You wanted Twitter to run a hit piece on Hunter Biden. They CHOSE not to.
This happens EVERY DAY in EVERY COMPANY in America, my man. You JUST told me that you fully understand this. What happened?
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 4:15 pm
Biden people censoring citizens because it makes them look bad. Rumor or truth, it doesn’t matter.
Where did Biden do that?
Btw, you've also neglected that the Trump-led FBI already had the laptop for MONTHS before the story showed up. They get the thing way back in 2019. What happened from that? Nothing. So again: what's the problem?
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 4:15 pm
Biden’s group goes out of its way to suppress free talk and hide an actual reported story and you are happy about it? Wanna give them a pass?
What are you talking about? Now you're just making stuff up.
Nobody censored anything. Twitter CHOSE not to run the piece. That's it.
Where the F was this attitude when FoxNation was acting like Trump's personal media company for four years, Kram? THAT didn't bother you---you never complained once. Hannity campaigned for Trump, FFS, Kram....you didn't say a peep. Never bothered you.
But yet you're lecturing me here about a slippery slope with Biden? Dude. You're better than this. Come on.
You were a journalist, and you're telling us that you don't understand that Twitter/Facebook/FoxNews/NYPost/Etc. are under no obligation to run stories that kramerica wants them to run? They don't have a choice and MUST do what Kramerica wants?
What county do you think this is? Russia, where Putin FORCES media companies to run his stories?
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 4:15 pm
I’m complaining about Twitter censoring people over politics.
You just got done, in your last post to me....admitting and agreeing with me that this happens ALL THE TIME.
The owner of the Press gets to choose what to print. Period. End of story.
You've done a 180, and are now telling me that twitter doesn't get a choice.
So...which is it? Do these companies get to do whatever the F they want, or not? You're changing your mind by the post.
Your partisanship is keeping you from seeing the forest from the trees. You wanted Twitter to run a hit piece on Hunter Biden. They CHOSE not to.
This happens EVERY DAY in EVERY COMPANY in America, my man. You JUST told me that you fully understand this. What happened?
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 4:15 pm
Biden people censoring citizens because it makes them look bad. Rumor or truth, it doesn’t matter.
Where did Biden do that?
Btw, you've also neglected that the Trump-led FBI already had the laptop for MONTHS before the story showed up. They get the thing way back in 2019. What happened from that? Nothing. So again: what's the problem?
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 4:15 pm
Biden’s group goes out of its way to suppress free talk and hide an actual reported story and you are happy about it? Wanna give them a pass?
What are you talking about? Now you're just making stuff up.
Nobody censored anything. Twitter CHOSE not to run the piece. That's it.
Where the F was this attitude when FoxNation was acting like Trump's personal media company for four years, Kram? THAT didn't bother you---you never complained once. Hannity campaigned for Trump, FFS, Kram....you didn't say a peep. Never bothered you.
But yet you're lecturing me here about a slippery slope with Biden? Dude. You're better than this. Come on.
You were a journalist, and you're telling us that you don't understand that Twitter/Facebook/FoxNews/NYPost/Etc. are under no obligation to run stories that kramerica wants them to run? They don't have a choice and MUST do what Kramerica wants?
What county do you think this is? Russia, where Putin FORCES media companies to run his stories?
It would be more honest if he just admitted it. I had no problem saying I hated Donald Trump. Dates back to the 1980’s. I am honest….
FoxNews working with the White House on messaging was straight communism.
Ellie has lost his mind. Going to drag Tesla and Space X down with Twitter.
"Musk Shakes Up Twitter’s Legal Team as He Looks to Cut More Costs
Twitter has stopped paying rent on offices and is considering not paying severance packages to former employees, among other measures.
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Dec. 13, 2022
Updated 6:04 p.m. ET
SAN FRANCISCO — Over the past two weeks, Elon Musk has shaken up Twitter’s legal department, disbanded a council that advised the social media company on safety issues and is continuing to take drastic steps to cut costs.
Mr. Musk appears to be gearing up for legal battles at Twitter, which he purchased in October for $44 billion, according to seven people familiar with internal conversations. He and his team have revamped Twitter’s legal department and pushed out one of his closest advisers in the process. They have also instructed employees to not pay vendors in anticipation of potential litigation, the people said.
To cut costs, Twitter has not paid rent for its San Francisco headquarters or any of its global offices for weeks, three people close to the company said. Twitter has also refused to pay a $197,725 bill for private charter flights made the week of Mr. Musk’s takeover, according to a copy of a lawsuit filed in New Hampshire District Court and obtained by The New York Times.
Twitter’s leaders have also discussed the consequences of denying severance payments to thousands of people who have been laid off since the takeover, two people familiar with the talks said. And Mr. Musk has threatened employees with lawsuits if they talk to the media and “act in a manner contrary to the company’s interest,” according to an internal email sent last Friday.
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The aggressive moves signal that Mr. Musk is still slashing expenditures and is bending or breaking Twitter’s previous agreements to make his mark. His reign has been characterized by chaos, a series of resignations and layoffs, reversals of the platform’s previous suspensions and rules, and capricious decisions that have driven away advertisers.
Mr. Musk did not respond to a request for comment.
As he has transitioned into the role of Twitter’s new leader, Mr. Musk has had a cast of rotating legal professionals by his side. In October, he fired both Twitter’s chief legal officer and general counsel “for cause” within hours of closing his acquisition and installed his personal lawyer, Alex Spiro, to head up legal and policy matters at the company.
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Mr. Spiro is no longer working at Twitter, according to six people familiar with the decision. Those people said that Mr. Musk has been unhappy with some of the decisions made by Mr. Spiro, a noted criminal defense lawyer who successfully defended the billionaire in a high-profile defamation case in late 2019 and worked his way into the Twitter owner’s inner circle.
Among those decisions was Mr. Spiro’s call to retain the Twitter deputy general counsel, James A. Baker, through Mr. Musk’s various rounds of layoffs and firings. Mr. Baker had served as general counsel at the F.B.I. until May 2018 — advising the agency on politically fraught investigations into Hillary Clinton’s private email server and Donald J. Trump’s campaign — and joined Twitter in 2020.
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Last week, Mr. Musk said he terminated Mr. Baker after he learned that the lawyer had been responsible for reviewing internal communications about the company’s decision to suppress a 2020 New York Post story about Hunter Biden’s laptop. Mr. Musk had ordered that those communications, which he has called the “Twitter Files,” be given to a group of journalists to release and discredit the decision-making of the company’s past executives.
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The ‘Twitter Files’: Mr. Musk and Matt Taibbi, an independent journalist, set off an intense debate with a release of internal Twitter documents regarding a 2020 decision to restrict posts linking to a report in the New York Post about Hunter Biden.
Hard Fork: The Times podcast looks at Mr. Musk’s two-day clash with Apple, which he had accused of trying to sabotage Twitter before saying the “misunderstanding” had been resolved.
With Twitter drained of legal talent from layoffs and departures, Mr. Musk has sought lawyers from his other companies, including rocket maker SpaceX, to fill the void. More than half a dozen lawyers from the space exploration company have been given access to Twitter’s internal systems, according to two people and documents seen by The Times. SpaceX employees who have been brought in to Twitter include Chris Cardaci, the company’s vice president of legal, and Tim Hughes, its senior vice president, global business and government affairs.
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Among its legal challenges, Twitter is facing more questions from the Federal Trade Commission, which is investigating whether the company is still adhering to a consent decree. In 2011, the company signed a consent decree with the F.T.C. after two data breaches and said it would not mislead users about privacy protection. In May, the company paid $150 million to the F.T.C. and Justice Department to settle allegations that it had violated the terms of that consent decree, which was expanded.
The F.T.C. has sent Twitter letters asking whether it still has the resources and staff to adhere to the consent decree, two people with knowledge of the matter said. An F.T.C. spokeswoman declined to comment.
On Friday, as Mr. Musk encouraged the release of internal information through the continuation of his Twitter Files, he also sent an email to employees noting “many detailed leaks of confidential Twitter information” showed that some were violating their nondisclosure agreements.
“If you clearly and deliberately violate the NDA that you signed when joining Twitter, you accept liability to the full extent of the law and Twitter will immediately seek damages,” he wrote. The email was first reported by the Platformer newsletter.
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Mr. Musk’s team has also deliberated the merits of not paying severance to the thousands of people who have left the company since he took over, when there were about 7,500 full-time employees. While Mr. Musk and his advisers had previously considered forgoing any severance when discussing cuts in late October, the company ultimately decided that U.S.-based employees would be given at least two months of pay and one month of severance pay so that the company would be compliant with federal and state labor laws.
Mr. Musk’s team is now reconsidering whether it should pay some of those months, according to two people familiar with the discussions, or just face lawsuits from disgruntled former employees. Many former employees still have not received any paperwork formalizing their separation from Twitter, five people said. Mr. Musk has already refused to pay millions of dollars in exit packages to executives he claims were terminated “for cause.”
As Twitter has downsized, Mr. Musk’s team has been hoping to renegotiate the terms of lease agreements, two people familiar with the discussion said. The company has received complaints from real estate investment and management firms including Shorenstein, which owns the San Francisco buildings that Twitter occupies.
A spokesman for Shorenstein declined to comment.
In other money-saving moves, Twitter has laid off its kitchen staff and begun to list office supplies, industrial-grade kitchen equipment and electronics from its San Francisco office for auction.
Mr. Musk also continues to cut staff and leaders, including Nelson Abramson, Twitter’s global head of infrastructure, and Alan Rosa, the global information technology head and vice president of information security, according to four people familiar with the moves.
On Sunday night, Mr. Musk sent two emails to Twitter’s staff with advice about how to work for him that he had previously shared with SpaceX and Tesla employees. One message focused on first principles thinking, a worldview based on the teachings of Aristotle to reduce assumptions to basic axioms, which Mr. Musk credited with helping him make difficult decisions. The other advocated against workplace hierarchies.
On Monday, Twitter notified members of its trust and safety council, an advisory group formed in 2016, that it would dissolve immediately. The council was created to guide Twitter through challenging safety problems and content moderation issues, and was made up of organizations focused on civil rights and child safety.
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“Safety online can mean survival offline,” said Jodie Ginsberg, the president of the Committee to Protect Journalists, one of the organizations involved in the council. “As a platform that has become a critical tool in both open and repressive countries, Twitter must play a constructive role in ensuring that journalists and the public at large are able to receive and impart information without fear of reprisals.”
"There is nothing more difficult and more dangerous to carry through than initiating changes. One makes enemies of those who prospered under the old order, and only lukewarm support from those who would prosper under the new."
Sounds like Musk could be going the way of Trump...at some point it becomes a liability to be associated with the client, even if he pays you richly...and ultimately, lesser and lesser people take that gig...
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 12:48 pm
So Musk bans accounts posting the video of him getting booed at the Chappelle show. Great free speech there.
And now Musk banned the account tracking his flights. After, of course, he promised not to. Free speech champion of our times indeed! #Winning
Thermonuclear a-hole. Just another attention grabbing, self-absorbed wingnut whose mother never hugged him enough.
Some seem to think he will pull another rabbit out of a hat. Others think the jig might be up.
TSLA continues to tank (and its stock underpins much of his acquisition of Twitter) - hit a new 52 week low this morning $155.88 - one year ago it was at a 52 week high of $402.67. Musk sold about 22 million more shares in his electric vehicle business this past week, which were worth around $3.6 billion, according to a financial filing out Wednesday night. Likely contributed to the decline
Now also raiding SpaceX for staffing and expertise which they likely don't have.
Just canned his personal lawyer whom he installed at Twitter only months ago.
David Frum nailed his latest idiocy -"Not paying bills is not a "cost-cutting" strategy. The costs have been incurred, they exist. It's a "theft through litigation" strategy, and the people who use it are either bankrupt or crooks."
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Question is, can the national interest of the US tolerate his destruction of Space X, given the prominence of its position and the relative inability of the NASA's favorite tax-payer redistribution mechanisms: Boeing, Lockheed, and Aerojet?
While we are at it, when will there be some regulation to the amount of shite placed in LEO? Getting crowded up there. Who needs intentional satellite killers with all of that trash and sloppy clean-up like the Chinese program demonstrates?
"There is nothing more difficult and more dangerous to carry through than initiating changes. One makes enemies of those who prospered under the old order, and only lukewarm support from those who would prosper under the new."
Sounds more like jealousy and judgery. 
