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The Republican Parallel Universes Strategy
Shortly after the 2020 election I was chatting with a Republican strategist who’d done some work for several vulnerable-seeming GOP candidates who ultimately won their races, outperforming Donald Trump by several points.

The strategy these candidates used wasn’t rocket-science. In rural areas they ran ads touting their relationship with Trump. In the suburbs they ran ads that focused on the economy and crime, and pretended that Trump didn’t exist.

This isn’t the traditional pivot we used to see, where a Republican candidate would run as a severe conservative in the primary and then a practical moderate in the general election. That strategy was like a character turn. The new Republican strategy is to simultaneously present two different versions of the party to two different sets of voters—almost as if the candidate is running in two parallel universes—and hope that neither cohort really notices the other. Thus creating a political coalition without either side feeling like they were suckered.

It worked for Republicans in 2020 and they’re going to push it even further in 2022.
What can Dems do? here's what, according to this author:
It will require a long, hard look in the mirror and the self-awareness to recognize that the current strategy isn’t working. It will also require shaking off some amount of activist pressure, recognizing Biden’s narrow mandate, and an affirmative decision to go on offense on the issues that moderate Democrats (who are the actual Democratic base) and swing voters have told me during focus groups they care about most.

Here’s the list:

Offense on COVID. Dems can’t wave a magic wand and make COVID go away—voters understand that—but they can make it look like they’ve got a plan to deal with it and keep life as normal as possible for people. Bang the drum relentlessly that keeping schools open and the economy functioning are the number one priority of this administration. Cheap tests should be everywhere! The CDC is confusing! Get out front and explain things to people. Joe Biden must be the steady hand taking clear action. Pair that with a firm offense against the anti-vaxxers who dominate right-wing media and parts of Congress. They’re the reason we can’t put COVID in the rearview mirror. Swing voters and moderate Republicans are very annoyed that people won’t get vaccinated.

Offense on the economy. The only thing more important to voters right now than COVID is the economy. But they’re related. Solving COVID ameliorates the attendant economic problems the pandemic is causing (inflation, high gas prices, labor shortages, supply chain disruptions) that participants in my focus groups say are their biggest concerns. Biden can’t look passive on these issues. They’re making a huge impact on people’s daily lives. Also, the economy has some real bright spots—super low unemployment, for instance. Dems should talk about those bright spots. All the time!

Legislative offense. Democrats should stop killing themselves with omnibus legislation that can’t even get 50 votes among Democrats. You took a swing on BBB and you lost. It’s over. The voters are not interested in transformative change at the moment and neither are some Democratic senators, apparently. Face reality. Drop BBB. Take a few of the most popular provisions (that you know Manchin and Sinema are on board with) and force Republicans to vote on those. Stop infighting. The voters think this means you’re ineffectual. Republicans are sitting around with buckets of popcorn. Stop giving them that.

Messaging offense. Okay, so you didn’t get your Build Back Better bill. But you did pass a $2 trillion COVID rescue plan that everyone’s already forgotten about and never had any idea what was in it, anyway. Why? Because Democrats didn’t talk about it. Also: Dems passed a pretty big bipartisan infrastructure bill that got 19 Republican senators to vote for it. Those are big wins! Put them in your pocket and go tell people about all the stuff that was in those bills. Push into Trump country. Tell them how you got them rural broadband. Because right now the public doesn’t know anything about these accomplishments.

Offense against Republicans. The silver lining for Democrats (though it’s not great for the country) is that the vast majority of Republican candidates running for office in 2022 are genuine MAGA wackos who might not be cognitively capable of keeping their mouths shut about Trump when talking to suburban voters. They might actually spend the whole campaign snuggling up to Trump and screaming about election conspiracies—many of these folks are certifiable! They scare moderates. Now, Democrats can’t win elections just by saying “We’re not insane like those guys.” But while you’re demonstrating that you can govern effectively on the points outlined above, you should still take a few moments to say, “Man, a bunch of those folks are really out of their minds. I mean, let’s just look at the ones whose last names start with G: Gosar. Gohmert. Greene. Gaetz.”

The great thing about offense is that it lets you set the narrative. Trump understood this well, using his morning tweets to set the day’s news agenda. Biden can do that too, albeit in a more constructive way. Call press conferences. Deliver regular statements. Don’t complain about the media focusing on the wrong things. Take control. Drive the news cycle. They’ll focus on your message if you’re relentless about putting a message out there.
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dislaxxic wrote: Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:24 pm The Republican Parallel Universes Strategy
Shortly after the 2020 election I was chatting with a Republican strategist who’d done some work for several vulnerable-seeming GOP candidates who ultimately won their races, outperforming Donald Trump by several points.

The strategy these candidates used wasn’t rocket-science. In rural areas they ran ads touting their relationship with Trump. In the suburbs they ran ads that focused on the economy and crime, and pretended that Trump didn’t exist.

This isn’t the traditional pivot we used to see, where a Republican candidate would run as a severe conservative in the primary and then a practical moderate in the general election. That strategy was like a character turn. The new Republican strategy is to simultaneously present two different versions of the party to two different sets of voters—almost as if the candidate is running in two parallel universes—and hope that neither cohort really notices the other. Thus creating a political coalition without either side feeling like they were suckered.

It worked for Republicans in 2020 and they’re going to push it even further in 2022.
What can Dems do? here's what, according to this author:
It will require a long, hard look in the mirror and the self-awareness to recognize that the current strategy isn’t working. It will also require shaking off some amount of activist pressure, recognizing Biden’s narrow mandate, and an affirmative decision to go on offense on the issues that moderate Democrats (who are the actual Democratic base) and swing voters have told me during focus groups they care about most.

Here’s the list:

Offense on COVID. Dems can’t wave a magic wand and make COVID go away—voters understand that—but they can make it look like they’ve got a plan to deal with it and keep life as normal as possible for people. Bang the drum relentlessly that keeping schools open and the economy functioning are the number one priority of this administration. Cheap tests should be everywhere! The CDC is confusing! Get out front and explain things to people. Joe Biden must be the steady hand taking clear action. Pair that with a firm offense against the anti-vaxxers who dominate right-wing media and parts of Congress. They’re the reason we can’t put COVID in the rearview mirror. Swing voters and moderate Republicans are very annoyed that people won’t get vaccinated.

Offense on the economy. The only thing more important to voters right now than COVID is the economy. But they’re related. Solving COVID ameliorates the attendant economic problems the pandemic is causing (inflation, high gas prices, labor shortages, supply chain disruptions) that participants in my focus groups say are their biggest concerns. Biden can’t look passive on these issues. They’re making a huge impact on people’s daily lives. Also, the economy has some real bright spots—super low unemployment, for instance. Dems should talk about those bright spots. All the time!

Legislative offense. Democrats should stop killing themselves with omnibus legislation that can’t even get 50 votes among Democrats. You took a swing on BBB and you lost. It’s over. The voters are not interested in transformative change at the moment and neither are some Democratic senators, apparently. Face reality. Drop BBB. Take a few of the most popular provisions (that you know Manchin and Sinema are on board with) and force Republicans to vote on those. Stop infighting. The voters think this means you’re ineffectual. Republicans are sitting around with buckets of popcorn. Stop giving them that.

Messaging offense. Okay, so you didn’t get your Build Back Better bill. But you did pass a $2 trillion COVID rescue plan that everyone’s already forgotten about and never had any idea what was in it, anyway. Why? Because Democrats didn’t talk about it. Also: Dems passed a pretty big bipartisan infrastructure bill that got 19 Republican senators to vote for it. Those are big wins! Put them in your pocket and go tell people about all the stuff that was in those bills. Push into Trump country. Tell them how you got them rural broadband. Because right now the public doesn’t know anything about these accomplishments.

Offense against Republicans. The silver lining for Democrats (though it’s not great for the country) is that the vast majority of Republican candidates running for office in 2022 are genuine MAGA wackos who might not be cognitively capable of keeping their mouths shut about Trump when talking to suburban voters. They might actually spend the whole campaign snuggling up to Trump and screaming about election conspiracies—many of these folks are certifiable! They scare moderates. Now, Democrats can’t win elections just by saying “We’re not insane like those guys.” But while you’re demonstrating that you can govern effectively on the points outlined above, you should still take a few moments to say, “Man, a bunch of those folks are really out of their minds. I mean, let’s just look at the ones whose last names start with G: Gosar. Gohmert. Greene. Gaetz.”

The great thing about offense is that it lets you set the narrative. Trump understood this well, using his morning tweets to set the day’s news agenda. Biden can do that too, albeit in a more constructive way. Call press conferences. Deliver regular statements. Don’t complain about the media focusing on the wrong things. Take control. Drive the news cycle. They’ll focus on your message if you’re relentless about putting a message out there.
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Echo chambers allow this. Like the pro wrestler heel turn!

(The outfits are spectacular even for the 80s!)

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Going the other way one of Roddy Pipers many turns, this time to a good guy

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5EkRCVftTI
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Trump's Republicans aren't the only ones questioning election legitimacy
Biden’s apparently not above embracing unfounded attacks on the electoral process when it advances Democrats’ interests.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/trump-s-r ... y-n1288033
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kramerica.inc wrote: Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:44 pm Trump's Republicans aren't the only ones questioning election legitimacy
Biden’s apparently not above embracing unfounded attacks on the electoral process when it advances Democrats’ interests.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/trump-s-r ... y-n1288033
Nope. Enjoying this game yet, fellas?

Still can't see you're all playing with fire?

Okay. Keep doing it.
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a fan wrote: Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:50 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:44 pm Trump's Republicans aren't the only ones questioning election legitimacy
Biden’s apparently not above embracing unfounded attacks on the electoral process when it advances Democrats’ interests.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/trump-s-r ... y-n1288033
Nope. Enjoying this game yet, fellas?

Still can't see you're all playing with fire?

Okay. Keep doing it.
Pretty fair review of the dangers of this rhetorical path. Definitely slippery slope stuff.

Not sure, however, that the answer is to say that all elections are fair and free, and thus "legitimate".

We know that's not true in lots of elections worldwide. Authoritarians the world over rig 'elections' to their benefit. They really do.

Heck, back here in the States, would we say that elections were free and fair in the Jim Crow South?

What we have new in the current era in the USA is the predilection to make false, provably false, claims, and have them believed by partisans.

It's one thing to say that rules making it easier to cast a vote in 2020 may have benefited Joe Biden (except that GOP candidates actually did well, it was just Trump who fell short) and that such rule changes were made without the procedures for such changes being agreed to by everyone...sure, that's true in a couple of places...but it's a whole other thing to say that the votes thus cast were not by actual voters or that they were counted wrong. The latter being provably false...yet that's where Trump et al went. And are still going all-in on.

Likewise, it's fair to say that if the GOP changes to voting access are made that significantly reduce access to voting, especially engineered to make it less easy for poorer folks to vote, that might well hurt a Dem candidate. True. Not 'fair and free'. Or, even worse, that changes to rules will allow the GOP to simply declare their candidate a winner, independent of actual voting, by rights of those running the election and their preferences...as almost happened for POTUS in 2020...yup, that would indeed be an "illegitimate" election...engineered to be such.

Problem is, once that's done, game over...there will be no future 'free and fair' elections absent an actual revolution.

What I'm seeing is a concerted play, on virtually every issue, to take on language that would be reasonably applied to one's own side and reverse it as an attack...it's not as if we don't know the Jim Crow legacy of illegitimate elections (used to be southern Dems, inherited by the GOP of today), so we get that language reversed, and we even get Trump claiming that the prosecutors coming after him and his businesses are "corrupt" and "racist"...racist???

Projection taken to extremes...and the more extreme the claims the better.
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This all started/normalized in the political landscape when Hillary said the 2016 election was illegitimate.
Then the Dems pushed a YEARS long investigation on Russian interference. With no certain outcome or upshot.
Trump picked up the drum beat when he realized he might lose. Beat that drum even harder when he did.
Now Joe is saying it now. Maybe trying and fire up the left's looney base. Maybe it was another senior moment.
Either way, the damage is done.
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kramerica.inc wrote: Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:44 am This all started/normalized in the political landscape when Hillary said the 2016 election was illegitimate.
Then the Dems pushed a YEARS long investigation on Russian interference. With no certain outcome or upshot.
Trump picked up the drum beat when he realized he might lose. Beat that drum even harder when he did.
Now Joe is saying it now. Maybe trying and fire up the left's looney base. Maybe it was another senior moment.
Either way, the damage is done.
I like how you set this up, so that the Trump part is kind of like the forgotten middle child. You could make a little Cosmo haiku:

Democrats started it.
Trump did some stuff...
Joe was bad.

Seems like you might miss a lot of context though.
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seacoaster wrote: Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:53 am
kramerica.inc wrote: Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:44 am This all started/normalized in the political landscape when Hillary said the 2016 election was illegitimate.
Then the Dems pushed a YEARS long investigation on Russian interference. With no certain outcome or upshot.
Trump picked up the drum beat when he realized he might lose. Beat that drum even harder when he did.
Now Joe is saying it now. Maybe trying and fire up the left's looney base. Maybe it was another senior moment.
Either way, the damage is done.
I like how you set this up, so that the Trump part is kind of like the forgotten middle child. You could make a little Cosmo haiku:

Democrats started it.
Trump did some stuff...
Joe was bad.

Seems like you might miss a lot of context though.
Never mind that the issues with the Russian interference is that there was significant concern that Trump owed something to them and would be improperly influenced. Also the issue of any foreign entity making a difference in the election.

Trump was trying (and succeeding beyond his wildest dreams with a portion of his base) to preemptively both claim he really won, and to (not so successfully) essentially overturn the 2020 election.

And Joe is just saying that the processes the Rs have started in some of the critical states (another reason not to have the EC) might actually result in overturning an election. Such as the current proposed bill in AZ to allow the legislature to actually throw out the result of an election.

Quite a lot of context.
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The additional context left out was that the "concern" was largely unfounded and political in nature AND nothing significant was really done about it.
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Bull hockey. Donald Trump has - ALL BY HIMSELF - taken the Art of The Steal to brand new heights. He has, single-handedly, tanked many American's attitudes, on the "Looney Right" mainly, that all American elections (that he loses) are illegitimate. He has started a wave of republican efforts to codify the illegitimacy in several state houses. There are very good reasons that there need to be smooth transitions between administrations...just ask Al Gore...who, in my opinion, was wrong to concede that travesty of an election in 2000...the infamous SCOTUS enabled theft of an election in Florida. Look where THAT one got us.

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kramerica.inc wrote: Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:29 am The additional context left out was that the "concern" was largely unfounded and political in nature AND nothing significant was really done about it.
This is just illustrative of what Trump has done to the body politic. He's just rolled over you and anesthetized the complaisant public. Wake up Cosmo.
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seacoaster wrote: Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:56 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:29 am The additional context left out was that the "concern" was largely unfounded and political in nature AND nothing significant was really done about it.
This is just illustrative of what Trump has done to the body politic. He's just rolled over you and anesthetized the complaisant public. Wake up Cosmo.
No, this is not a Trump effect. This was the effect of Mueller being ineffectual and not finding anything of note. I've read the indictments and pleas. IMO, They are all insignificant. If you have a different opinion, I'm open to you changing my mind.

But the general feeling (even among your political peers) is that it dragged on for 22 months.

We learned that Russia tried to "influence" the election. (surprise?) And there was no sufficient evidence that Trump’s campaign coordinated with Russia. Mueller did not allege any crimes directly connecting the two — that is, that Trump advisers criminally conspired with Russian officials to impact the election. Other reported focuses of Mueller’s investigation — such as potential obstruction of justice by the Trump administration — also did not result in any charges. So I'm not sure what significance you see. The 29 of 36 charges were against Russians, Russian companies, and troll farms. What came of those? :lol:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... grand-jury

https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanew ... stigation/
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kramerica.inc wrote: Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:53 pm
seacoaster wrote: Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:56 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:29 am The additional context left out was that the "concern" was largely unfounded and political in nature AND nothing significant was really done about it.
This is just illustrative of what Trump has done to the body politic. He's just rolled over you and anesthetized the complaisant public. Wake up Cosmo.
No, this is not a Trump effect. This was the effect of Mueller being ineffectual and not finding anything of note. I've read the indictments and pleas. IMO, They are all insignificant. If you have a different opinion, I'm open to you changing my mind.

But the general feeling (even among your political peers) is that it dragged on for 22 months.

We learned that Russia tried to "influence" the election. (surprise?) And there was no sufficient evidence that Trump’s campaign coordinated with Russia. Mueller did not allege any crimes directly connecting the two — that is, that Trump advisers criminally conspired with Russian officials to impact the election. Other reported focuses of Mueller’s investigation — such as potential obstruction of justice by the Trump administration — also did not result in any charges. So I'm not sure what significance you see. The 29 of 36 charges were against Russians, Russian companies, and troll farms. What came of those? :lol:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... grand-jury

https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanew ... stigation/
Ineffectual has a connotation that may or may not be accurate.

What we do know, however, is that the Mueller team failed to get Trump to testify nor any of his closest people. And he dangled pardons, which he later delivered on, that would reasonably be considered to have led to witnesses to be unwilling to tell the truth...and a whole lot of lying was indeed caught.

We also know from the investigation that the Trump Campaign Chairman...indeed the top Campaign official and the #2 shared confidential election information directly with a Russian agent. Don't know why that wasn't charged more heavily, but we do know it happened. And he was then pardoned by Trump anyway... We also know that Trump himself invited interference...publicly...we don't know for sure what he did privately...but we also know that he and others made public statements about their relationships, business with, Russians...and these were lies.

and we do know that Mueller thought that there were multiple instances of obstruction of justice which would be chargeable were they not done by the POTUS, who couldn't be charged...

But hey, that must mean we didn't actually 'learn' anything...
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People conveniently forgetting Trump's claims of election and voting fraud before and after the 2016 election. He was sewing massive distrust in our own system way before the investigation into Russian interference.

... which of course led to the indictment of a number of Russians who tried to interfere in the 2016 elections.
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Looks like Biden is going to get a victory lap for taking out the head of Isis.
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Joe's now responsible for people committing suicide.

Which is fair, because Trump/Corona is responsible for everything else.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/03/us-forc ... -says.html
Al-Qurayshi detonated a bomb that killed himself and several members of his family, a senior administration official told NBC News.
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kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:20 am Joe's now responsible for people committing suicide.

Which is fair, because Trump/Corona is responsible for everything else.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/03/us-forc ... -says.html
Al-Qurayshi detonated a bomb that killed himself and several members of his family, a senior administration official told NBC News.
Thank God, our men where not killed in the bomb.
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kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:20 am Joe's now responsible for people committing suicide.

Which is fair, because Trump/Corona is responsible for everything else.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/03/us-forc ... -says.html
Al-Qurayshi detonated a bomb that killed himself and several members of his family, a senior administration official told NBC News.
I can see you're struggling; let me help with the article summary:

"Joe" appears to be responsible for authorizing a raid, during which the target, a high level ISIS organizer, opted to kill himself and his family, rather than be killed or taken by US Special Forces. No American troops were killed or injured in the raid.

Your "Joe Bad" campaign is reaching the ludicrous and embarrassing level.
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youthathletics wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:25 am
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:20 am Joe's now responsible for people committing suicide.

Which is fair, because Trump/Corona is responsible for everything else.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/03/us-forc ... -says.html
Al-Qurayshi detonated a bomb that killed himself and several members of his family, a senior administration official told NBC News.
Thank God, our men where not killed in the bomb.



I don’t know why anyone would reflexively believe anything the US government says about events such as the above. Invariably, they are forced to retract their statements once credible independent journalists get to the scene. They’ve burned up all credibility.

Until an independent journalist details what happened, my philosophy is to wait and see. In the meantime, I’m suspicious about timing and why.
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