ACC 2019

[Hawkeye]

A lot of those games look almost like coin flip games.
We'll give you credit for being a Lax Swarmi if you get at least 4 out of 5 games right.

You are right, there are a lot of coin flip type games left in this league. I will give it a shot though... this is where I think it finishes:

1. Virginia 3-1
2-4. Duke/UND/SU 2-2
5. North Carolina 1-3

[wgdsr]

If Duke, ND, and Syracuse tie at 1-3, with their only wins being against each other, tiebreakers 3-5 are in effect:

3. Goals allowed among the tied teams in conference play against the other tied teams

4. Goal differential in conference games

5. Blind draw

i think notre dame wins the blind draw. pretty obvious, luck o' the irish.

[Cooter]

Virgina has apparently clinched the first seed in the ACC tmt.
Even if UNC wins it last 2 games, and UVa loses to Duke, UVa would get the first seed on the tiebreaker.

[Boxster54]

I'm sticking with my prediction from last week:

UVA - 4-0 beats UNC and Duke
ND - 2-2 loss to Duke beats UNC
UNC - 2-2 loss to UVA, beats Cuse, Loss to ND
Syracuse - 1-3 loss to UNC
Duke - 1-3 beats ND loses to UVA

I thought the baby Heels were competitive and played well yesterday and almost won but the Cavs offense (Kraus) was more than the Heels could manage. I think they will give Cuse everything they can handle and will win by 1-2 goals home next Saturday. The Duke v UVA game should be fun to watch and a close one with the Cavs winning by a goal. I doubt UNC will beat the Irish at home, they never do. The ACC tourney should be exciting as all five teams will have something big to play for. I think the ACC sends four teams to the big tournament. Who will be left out is still TBD.

[Dunker]

To become AL eligible, ND will have to win 1st game of ACC tournament if they don't win 2 of their next 3 which could easily happen. (Duke, Cornell,Marquette). Stupid scheduling only 12 games, 9-10 which were difficult. 2 patsies would have been fine to get them AL eligible. SOS doesn't matter if you finish 6-7..

[Hawkeye]

To become AL eligible, ND will have to win 1st game of ACC tournament if they don't win 2 of their next 3 which could easily happen. (Duke, Cornell,Marquette). Stupid scheduling only 12 games, 9-10 which were difficult. 2 patsies would have been fine to get them AL eligible. SOS doesn't matter if you finish 6-7..

13 games makes much more sense than 12 for this reason. I think Notre Dame will be fine, though... even if it is much closer than they wanted/expected it to be.

[Cooter]

The ACC tourney should be exciting as all five teams will have something big to play for. I think the ACC sends four teams to the big tournament. Who will be left out is still TBD.

Winning the ACC title would be a nice feather in UVa's cap, but barring losses to Marist or VMI, I think UVa is a lock for the NCAA tmt. I think Duke is pretty much also a lock for the NCAA tmt.

[Hawkeye]

A lot of those games look almost like coin flip games.
We'll give you credit for being a Lax Swarmi if you get at least 4 out of 5 games right.

You are right, there are a lot of coin flip type games left in this league. I will give it a shot though... this is where I think it finishes:

1. Virginia 3-1
2-4. Duke/UND/SU 2-2
5. North Carolina 1-3

Now only a UND>UNC result from hitting it.

[Hawkeye]

With only one game remaining - North Carolina at Notre Dame - I think that we can go ahead and look at seeding scenarios.

I believe that these are the tiebreak rules. Someone correct me if they are not up to date:
1. Head-to-head Conference game results among the tied teams. (a) If three or more teams are tied, the combined record of conference games among the tied teams involved will be compiled. Ties will be broken based on winning percentage of the combined conference records, and the higher winning percentage shall prevail, even if the number of games played against the team or group is unequal. (b) In the case of a three or more team tie, if procedure (a) reduces the tie by at least one team, procedure (1) will be followed, comparing only the remaining tied teams’ conference records. Procedures (2)-(5) will only be used if the tie cannot be reduced by at least one team in procedure (1).

2. Record versus team(s) occupying the higher position in the standings (or in case of a tie for first place, the next highest in the regular-season standings and continuing down through the standings until one team gains an advantage). When arriving at another pair of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s record against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to their own tie-breaking procedures), rather than the performance against the individual tied teams. In the case of a three or more team tie, if procedure (2) reduces the tie by at least one team, procedure (1) will be followed, comparing only the remaining tied teams’ conference records. Procedures (3)-(5) will only be used if the tie cannot be reduced by at least one team in procedure (2).

3. Goals allowed in Conference games among the tied teams.

4. Goal differential in Conference games only (goals for, minus goals against among the tied teams).

5. Blind draw.

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Scenario 1: Notre Dame>North Carolina
1. Virginia 3-1
2. Duke 2-2 (tiebreaker 2 over UND/SU)
3. Notre Dame 2-2 (head-to-head over SU)
4. Syracuse 2-2
5. North Carolina 1-3

ACC Tournament
Opening round: #4 Syracuse @ #5 North Carolina

Semifinals
(Opening round winner) vs. #1 Virginia
#3 Notre Dame vs. #2 Duke

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Scenario 2: North Carolina>Notre Dame
1. Virginia 3-1
2. Syracuse 2-2 (head-to-head over both Duke and UNC)
3. North Carolina 2-2 (head-to-head over Duke)
4. Duke 2-2
5. Notre Dame 1-3

ACC Tournament
Opening round: #5 Notre Dame @ #4 Duke

Semifinals
(Opening round winner) vs. #1 Virginia
#2 Syracuse @ #3 North Carolina

[Hawkeye]

Scenario 1: Notre Dame>North Carolina

ACC Tournament
Opening round: #4 Syracuse @ #5 North Carolina

Semifinals
(Opening round winner) vs. #1 Virginia
#3 Notre Dame vs. #2 Duke

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Scenario 2: North Carolina>Notre Dame

ACC Tournament
Opening round: #5 Notre Dame vs. #4 Duke

Semifinals
(Opening round winner) vs. #1 Virginia
#2 Syracuse @ #3 North Carolina

Broad takeaways:
1) Virginia has clinched the #1 seed (obviously)
2) Syracuse is rooting for UNC this weekend; Duke is rooting for Notre Dame (probably in more ways than one).
3) No matter what UNC does this weekend, they will play Syracuse in their first tournament game.
4) Notre Dame must win one of their next two games to be NCAA tournament eligible. If they lose to UNC this week, they have to beat Duke in the opening round or their season is officially over.

[semsox]

Scenario 1: Notre Dame>North Carolina
1. Virginia 3-1
2. Duke 2-2 (tiebreaker 2 over UND/SU)
3. Notre Dame 2-2 (head-to-head over SU)
4. Syracuse 2-2
5. North Carolina 1-3

ACC Tournament
Opening round: #4 Syracuse @ #5 North Carolina

Semifinals
(Opening round winner) vs. #1 Virginia
#3 Notre Dame vs. #2 Duke

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Scenario 2: North Carolina>Notre Dame
1. Virginia 3-1
2. Duke 2-2 (tiebreaker 2 over UNC/SU)
3. Syracuse 2-2 (head-to-head over UNC)
4. North Carolina 2-2
5. Notre Dame 1-3

Scenario 1 looks correct to my eye, however, I believe Scenario 2 should be: Syracuse the 2 seed, as they beat both Duke and UNC (tiebreaker 1 applies instead of tiebreaker 2). Duke drops to the 4th seed as a result of losing the head to head to UNC as well. This makes Scenario 2 (UNC > ND) as:

1. Virginia 3-1
2. Syracuse 2-2 (tiebreaker over UNC/Duke)
3. UNC 2-2 (head-to-head over Duke)
4. Duke 2-2
5. Notre Dame 1-3

[Hawkeye]

Scenario 1 looks correct to my eye, however, I believe Scenario 2 should be: Syracuse the 2 seed, as they beat both Duke and UNC (tiebreaker 1 applies instead of tiebreaker 2). Duke drops to the 4th seed as a result of losing the head to head to UNC as well. This makes Scenario 2 (UNC > ND) as:

1. Virginia 3-1
2. Syracuse 2-2 (tiebreaker over UNC/Duke)
3. UNC 2-2 (head-to-head over Duke)
4. Duke 2-2
5. Notre Dame 1-3

Thanks! Fixed. I had forgotten that Syracuse had beaten both of those teams head to head. I was thinking it was another A>B>C>A type three-way tie.

[JeremyCuse]

Scenario 1 looks correct to my eye, however, I believe Scenario 2 should be: Syracuse the 2 seed, as they beat both Duke and UNC (tiebreaker 1 applies instead of tiebreaker 2). Duke drops to the 4th seed as a result of losing the head to head to UNC as well. This makes Scenario 2 (UNC > ND) as:

1. Virginia 3-1
2. Syracuse 2-2 (tiebreaker over UNC/Duke)
3. UNC 2-2 (head-to-head over Duke)
4. Duke 2-2
5. Notre Dame 1-3

Thanks! Fixed. I had forgotten that Syracuse had beaten both of those teams head to head. I was thinking it was another A>B>C>A type three-way tie.

For some reason several outlets have UNC as the #2 seed over SU if they beat ND and I can't figure out how they come to that conclusion. For SU it really doesn't matter because the game is at UNC anyway ( that ridiculousness is for another post) but just seems odd. The conference tourneys for Lax a bit of a mess. SU was the #1 seed last year and for its reward it got to play the 4 seed Virginia at UVA, which makes no sense. It should either be at a neutral site or at the #1 seeds home field.

[Cooter]

The conference tourneys for Lax a bit of a mess. SU was the #1 seed last year and for its reward it got to play the 4 seed Virginia at UVA, which makes no sense. It should either be at a neutral site or at the #1 seeds home field.

They do play at a neutral site sometimes. Considerations against:
1) Finding a good neutral site
2) It might cost more
3) Everybody has to travel.
4) (minor) there might be some feeling that having the lacrosse tmt at each campus, helps increase support of ACC lacrosse in that area.

Against the "at #1 seeds home field"
1) Over a 5 year period, letting each team host the tournament once, seems fair.
2) The ACC tends to hold a lacrosse banquet prior to the tournament, and overall I believe they like to be able to make preparations in advance.

[HowieT3]

Deleted. Duplicate post.

[HowieT3]

Finalized seedings for the tournament:
1. Virginia
2. Duke
3. Notre Dame
4. Syracuse
5. North Carolina

[Hawkeye]

Finalized seedings for the tournament:
1. Virginia
2. Duke
3. Notre Dame
4. Syracuse
5. North Carolina

Schedule for next weekend is

Thursday:
#4 Syracuse @ #5 North Carolina, 6:00pm, ACCNE

Saturday:
TBD vs. #1 Virginia, 2:00pm, ESPNU
#3 Notre Dame vs. #2 Duke, 4:30pm, ESPNU

[Cooter]

All-ACC lacrosse team
https://theacc.com/news/2019/4/24/acc-a ... -team.aspx
2019 All-ACC Men’s Lacrosse Team
A – Michael Kraus, Virginia
A – Brendan Gleason, Notre Dame
A – Matt Moore, Virginia
A – Nate Solomon, Syracuse
M – Bryan Costabile, Notre Dame
M – Brad Smith, Duke
M – Ryan Conrad, Virginia
M – Brendan Curry, Syracuse
M – Dox Aitken, Virginia
D – Nick Mellen, Syracuse
D – JT Giles-Harris, Duke
D – Jack Rowlett, North Carolina
D – Cade Van Raaphorst, Duke
STM – John Prendergast, Duke
STM – Peter Dearth, Syracuse
LSM – Brett Kennedy, Syracuse
F/O – Charlie Leonard, Notre Dame
G – Drake Porter, Syracuse

They certainly name a lot of players these days.

[Cooter]

Team by team look at this year's ACC men's lacrosse tournament (from the Daily Progress):
https://www.dailyprogress.com/cavalieri ... 37558.html

[molo]

Heels need to win tonight to keep going. Cuse should get a first round home game regardless of what they do tonight, but a win tonight could be the first step towards a top four seed.