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Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 11:05 am**

Q.Kessenich Top 20 Feb 19 2024

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Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 11:11 am**

faircornell wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:57 pm Army's win against Rutgers was really impressive.

Agree 100%

I probably shouldn't have said "way more impressive." I give a bit more weight to Denver's best win than I do Army's.

If I were going to shake up JoeWillie's poll, I'd move Denver up 1, then Army, then Syracuse, then Cornell. At this point I don't think anyone's really settled in yet.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:54 pm**

coda wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:22 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 3:49 pm Week 3 Top 20 , 2/18:
1. Duke
2. Virginia
3. Notre Dame
4. Maryland
5. Cornell
6. Denver
7. Army
8. Yale
9. Johns Hopkins
10. Syracuse
11. Penn State
12. Princeton
13. North Carolina
14. Ohio State
15. Delaware
16. Georgetown
17. Michigan
18. Towson
19. Harvard
20. Colgate

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Joewillie78
I can’t see any argument to have Gtown ranked currently. That blow out loss to Loyola is hard to overlook right now. I don’t think beating Penn is a win to move them into the top 20. If I am taking a 2 loss team to rank it would be a Richmond team that didn’t look out of place vs Maryland or Virginia

I can't disagree with any of your points. Richmond is always a tough call as they always seem to rise up to the top competition.
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Joewillie78

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:26 pm**

My new top 20, 2/25:

1. Duke
2. Virginia
3. Maryland
4. Denver
5. Army
6. Notre Dame
7. Yale
8. Johns Hopkins
9. Syracuse
10. Penn State
11. Cornell
12. Michigan
13. Harvard
14. Rutgers
15. Georgetown
16. Penn
17. Towson
18. Princeton
19. North Carolina
20. Ohio State

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Joewillie78

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:48 pm**

joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:26 pm My new top 20, 2/25:

1. Duke
2. Virginia
3. Maryland
4. Denver
5. Army
6. Notre Dame
7. Yale
8. Johns Hopkins
9. Syracuse
10. Penn State
11. Cornell
12. Michigan
13. Harvard
14. Rutgers
15. Georgetown
16. Penn
17. Towson
18. Princeton
19. North Carolina
20. Ohio State

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Joewillie78

What's the 2024 factual justification for Notre Dame at #6?

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:54 pm**

keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:48 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:26 pm My new top 20, 2/25:

1. Duke
2. Virginia
3. Maryland
4. Denver
5. Army
6. Notre Dame
7. Yale
8. Johns Hopkins
9. Syracuse
10. Penn State
11. Cornell
12. Michigan
13. Harvard
14. Rutgers
15. Georgetown
16. Penn
17. Towson
18. Princeton
19. North Carolina
20. Ohio State

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Joewillie78
What's the 2024 factual justification for Notre Dame at #6?

I had them 3rd. Maryland beat the previously #12 Princeton. Denver beat the previous #5 Cornell. Army annihilated the last team they played who were very good Rutgers. ND lost to the previous UNRANKED or in some polls #19 Georgetown. I actually gave thought to putting them behind Yale.

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Joewillie78

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:59 pm**

joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:54 pm
keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:48 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:26 pm My new top 20, 2/25:

1. Duke
2. Virginia
3. Maryland
4. Denver
5. Army
6. Notre Dame
7. Yale
8. Johns Hopkins
9. Syracuse
10. Penn State
11. Cornell
12. Michigan
13. Harvard
14. Rutgers
15. Georgetown
16. Penn
17. Towson
18. Princeton
19. North Carolina
20. Ohio State

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Joewillie78
What's the 2024 factual justification for Notre Dame at #6?
I had them 3rd. Maryland beat the previously #12 Princeton. Denver beat the previous #5 Cornell. Army annihilated the last team they played who were very good. ND lost to the previous UNRANKED or in some polls #19 Georgetown. I actually gave thought to putting them behind Yale.

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Joewillie78

I think he's saying they should be even lower based on 2024 resume. Can't say I disagree even though ultimately they are for sure a top 10, most likely top 5 team.

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:00 pm**

random observer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:59 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:54 pm
keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:48 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:26 pm My new top 20, 2/25:

1. Duke
2. Virginia
3. Maryland
4. Denver
5. Army
6. Notre Dame
7. Yale
8. Johns Hopkins
9. Syracuse
10. Penn State
11. Cornell
12. Michigan
13. Harvard
14. Rutgers
15. Georgetown
16. Penn
17. Towson
18. Princeton
19. North Carolina
20. Ohio State

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Joewillie78
What's the 2024 factual justification for Notre Dame at #6?
I had them 3rd. Maryland beat the previously #12 Princeton. Denver beat the previous #5 Cornell. Army annihilated the last team they played who were very good. ND lost to the previous UNRANKED or in some polls #19 Georgetown. I actually gave thought to putting them behind Yale.

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Joewillie78
I think he's saying they should be even lower based on 2024 resume. Can't say I disagree even though ultimately they are for sure a top 10, most likely top 5 team.

Ahh, OK. Georgetown is still a good team, obviously, so #6 seems about right, right now.

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Joewillie78

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:01 pm**

random observer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:59 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:54 pm
keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:48 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:26 pm My new top 20, 2/25:

1. Duke
2. Virginia
3. Maryland
4. Denver
5. Army
6. Notre Dame
7. Yale
8. Johns Hopkins
9. Syracuse
10. Penn State
11. Cornell
12. Michigan
13. Harvard
14. Rutgers
15. Georgetown
16. Penn
17. Towson
18. Princeton
19. North Carolina
20. Ohio State

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Joewillie78
What's the 2024 factual justification for Notre Dame at #6?
I had them 3rd. Maryland beat the previously #12 Princeton. Denver beat the previous #5 Cornell. Army annihilated the last team they played who were very good. ND lost to the previous UNRANKED or in some polls #19 Georgetown. I actually gave thought to putting them behind Yale.

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Joewillie78
I think he's saying they should be even lower based on 2024 resume. Can't say I disagree even though ultimately they are for sure a top 10, most likely top 5 team.

Yes. Last year doesn't matter. ND just lost at home to a bad team. Right now, that's not deserving of #6.

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:10 pm**

joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:00 pm
random observer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:59 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:54 pm
keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:48 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:26 pm My new top 20, 2/25:

1. Duke
2. Virginia
3. Maryland
4. Denver
5. Army
6. Notre Dame
7. Yale
8. Johns Hopkins
9. Syracuse
10. Penn State
11. Cornell
12. Michigan
13. Harvard
14. Rutgers
15. Georgetown
16. Penn
17. Towson
18. Princeton
19. North Carolina
20. Ohio State

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Joewillie78
What's the 2024 factual justification for Notre Dame at #6?
I had them 3rd. Maryland beat the previously #12 Princeton. Denver beat the previous #5 Cornell. Army annihilated the last team they played who were very good. ND lost to the previous UNRANKED or in some polls #19 Georgetown. I actually gave thought to putting them behind Yale.

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Joewillie78
I think he's saying they should be even lower based on 2024 resume. Can't say I disagree even though ultimately they are for sure a top 10, most likely top 5 team.
Ahh, OK. Georgetown is still a good team, obviously, so #6 seems about right, right now.

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Joewillie78

This is why rankings are fun there first few weeks, but kind of meaningless. Gtown looked like a dead man walking (again) and pulled out a huge win. Probably still 2-3 weeks away from things starting to really crystallize

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:15 pm**

joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:00 pm
random observer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:59 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:54 pm
keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:48 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:26 pm My new top 20, 2/25:

1. Duke
2. Virginia
3. Maryland
4. Denver
5. Army
6. Notre Dame
7. Yale
8. Johns Hopkins
9. Syracuse
10. Penn State
11. Cornell
12. Michigan
13. Harvard
14. Rutgers
15. Georgetown
16. Penn
17. Towson
18. Princeton
19. North Carolina
20. Ohio State

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Joewillie78
What's the 2024 factual justification for Notre Dame at #6?
I had them 3rd. Maryland beat the previously #12 Princeton. Denver beat the previous #5 Cornell. Army annihilated the last team they played who were very good. ND lost to the previous UNRANKED or in some polls #19 Georgetown. I actually gave thought to putting them behind Yale.

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Joewillie78
I think he's saying they should be even lower based on 2024 resume. Can't say I disagree even though ultimately they are for sure a top 10, most likely top 5 team.
Ahh, OK. Georgetown is still a good team, obviously, so #6 seems about right, right now.

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Joewillie78

Why is Georgetown obviously a good team? Is Loyola? They destroyed Georgetown.

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:22 pm**

keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:15 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:00 pm
random observer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:59 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:54 pm
keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:48 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:26 pm My new top 20, 2/25:

1. Duke
2. Virginia
3. Maryland
4. Denver
5. Army
6. Notre Dame
7. Yale
8. Johns Hopkins
9. Syracuse
10. Penn State
11. Cornell
12. Michigan
13. Harvard
14. Rutgers
15. Georgetown
16. Penn
17. Towson
18. Princeton
19. North Carolina
20. Ohio State

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Joewillie78
What's the 2024 factual justification for Notre Dame at #6?
I had them 3rd. Maryland beat the previously #12 Princeton. Denver beat the previous #5 Cornell. Army annihilated the last team they played who were very good. ND lost to the previous UNRANKED or in some polls #19 Georgetown. I actually gave thought to putting them behind Yale.

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Joewillie78
I think he's saying they should be even lower based on 2024 resume. Can't say I disagree even though ultimately they are for sure a top 10, most likely top 5 team.
Ahh, OK. Georgetown is still a good team, obviously, so #6 seems about right, right now.

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Joewillie78
Why is Georgetown obviously a good team? Is Loyola? They destroyed Georgetown.

I would say because they just beat the defending Champs, and pre-season and in most polls, still ranked #1 team on the Road, qualifies them as a good team, not great but good. Loyola, I would say could also be a good team, though wildly inconsistent.

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Joewillie78

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:31 pm**

joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:26 pm My new top 20, 2/25:

1. Duke
2. Virginia
3. Maryland
4. Denver
5. Army
6. Notre Dame
7. Yale
8. Johns Hopkins
9. Syracuse
10. Penn State
11. Cornell
12. Michigan
13. Harvard
14. Rutgers
15. Georgetown
16. Penn
17. Towson
18. Princeton
19. North Carolina
20. Ohio State

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Joewillie78

Cornell ahead of Penn St. based on who they lost to and home vs. away. Rutgers ahead of Harvard based on who they beat and lost to.

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:38 pm**

keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:01 pm
random observer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:59 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:54 pm
keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:48 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:26 pm My new top 20, 2/25:

1. Duke
2. Virginia
3. Maryland
4. Denver
5. Army
6. Notre Dame
7. Yale
8. Johns Hopkins
9. Syracuse
10. Penn State
11. Cornell
12. Michigan
13. Harvard
14. Rutgers
15. Georgetown
16. Penn
17. Towson
18. Princeton
19. North Carolina
20. Ohio State

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Joewillie78
What's the 2024 factual justification for Notre Dame at #6?
I had them 3rd. Maryland beat the previously #12 Princeton. Denver beat the previous #5 Cornell. Army annihilated the last team they played who were very good. ND lost to the previous UNRANKED or in some polls #19 Georgetown. I actually gave thought to putting them behind Yale.

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Joewillie78
I think he's saying they should be even lower based on 2024 resume. Can't say I disagree even though ultimately they are for sure a top 10, most likely top 5 team.
Yes. Last year doesn't matter. ND just lost at home to a bad team. Right now, that's not deserving of #6.

Georgetown is clearly not a bad team. Rough opening game but that happens; they should be dinged in the rankings for it, but it shouldn't override the big picture. Since then they lost a competitive game to top 10 Hopkins, beat ranked Penn on the road, and took down a ND team that is obviously really good on the road.

IMO the Loyola loss and ND win cancel out. The win over Penn and loss to Hopkins brackets them somewhere in the top 20, so by resume and by eye test they are a good team.

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:40 pm**

joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:22 pm
keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:15 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:00 pm
random observer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:59 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:54 pm
keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:48 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:26 pm My new top 20, 2/25:

1. Duke
2. Virginia
3. Maryland
4. Denver
5. Army
6. Notre Dame
7. Yale
8. Johns Hopkins
9. Syracuse
10. Penn State
11. Cornell
12. Michigan
13. Harvard
14. Rutgers
15. Georgetown
16. Penn
17. Towson
18. Princeton
19. North Carolina
20. Ohio State

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Joewillie78
What's the 2024 factual justification for Notre Dame at #6?
I had them 3rd. Maryland beat the previously #12 Princeton. Denver beat the previous #5 Cornell. Army annihilated the last team they played who were very good. ND lost to the previous UNRANKED or in some polls #19 Georgetown. I actually gave thought to putting them behind Yale.

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Joewillie78
I think he's saying they should be even lower based on 2024 resume. Can't say I disagree even though ultimately they are for sure a top 10, most likely top 5 team.
Ahh, OK. Georgetown is still a good team, obviously, so #6 seems about right, right now.

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Joewillie78
Why is Georgetown obviously a good team? Is Loyola? They destroyed Georgetown.
I would say because they just beat the defending Champs, and pre-season and in most polls, still ranked #1 team on the Road, qualifies them as a good team, not great but good. Loyola, I would say could also be a good team, though wildly inconsistent.

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Joewillie78

It's your poll so do what you want. Maryland was a (historically great) defending champ last year and they were ultimately just a decent team. UVA was also just ok as a defending champ in '22.

It's very difficult to repeat. There's a lot of parties between last year's national championship and the current season. Motivation is tough to maintain. And honestly, maybe they just got lucky to beat UVA last year in the semifinals after getting dominated twice in the regular season and a dude missed a point blank shot to put the game away for the Hoos?

I'm not saying ND is not a top 6 team ultimately, but that's kind of the same BCS football logic that always produced the same 4 teams in the playoffs over and over. Right now, very early in the season, the data should indicate that ND should not be ranked #6. Right now. That said, they can easily dominate Maryland at home next week and earn a top 5 ranking.

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2024 6:05 pm**

joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:26 pm My new top 20, 2/25:

1. Duke
2. Virginia
3. Maryland
4. Denver
5. Army
6. Notre Dame
7. Yale
8. Johns Hopkins
9. Syracuse
10. Penn State
11. Cornell
12. Michigan
13. Harvard
14. Rutgers
15. Georgetown
16. Penn
17. Towson
18. Princeton
19. North Carolina
20. Ohio State

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Joewillie78

I have a hard time figuring out how UVa is #2, Maryland #3, and Richmond is unranked. Love to hear what the back half of that top 20 has done that puts them above Richmond

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2024 6:28 pm**

coda wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 6:05 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:26 pm My new top 20, 2/25:

1. Duke
2. Virginia
3. Maryland
4. Denver
5. Army
6. Notre Dame
7. Yale
8. Johns Hopkins
9. Syracuse
10. Penn State
11. Cornell
12. Michigan
13. Harvard
14. Rutgers
15. Georgetown
16. Penn
17. Towson
18. Princeton
19. North Carolina
20. Ohio State

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Joewillie78
I have a hard time figuring out how UVa is #2, Maryland #3, and Richmond is unranked. Love to hear what the back half of that top 20 has done that puts them above Richmond

And Duke is #1 and has beaten 4 unranked team.

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2024 6:31 pm**

keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:40 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:22 pm
keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:15 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:00 pm
random observer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:59 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:54 pm
keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:48 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:26 pm My new top 20, 2/25:

1. Duke
2. Virginia
3. Maryland
4. Denver
5. Army
6. Notre Dame
7. Yale
8. Johns Hopkins
9. Syracuse
10. Penn State
11. Cornell
12. Michigan
13. Harvard
14. Rutgers
15. Georgetown
16. Penn
17. Towson
18. Princeton
19. North Carolina
20. Ohio State

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Joewillie78
What's the 2024 factual justification for Notre Dame at #6?
I had them 3rd. Maryland beat the previously #12 Princeton. Denver beat the previous #5 Cornell. Army annihilated the last team they played who were very good. ND lost to the previous UNRANKED or in some polls #19 Georgetown. I actually gave thought to putting them behind Yale.

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Joewillie78
I think he's saying they should be even lower based on 2024 resume. Can't say I disagree even though ultimately they are for sure a top 10, most likely top 5 team.
Ahh, OK. Georgetown is still a good team, obviously, so #6 seems about right, right now.

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Joewillie78
Why is Georgetown obviously a good team? Is Loyola? They destroyed Georgetown.
I would say because they just beat the defending Champs, and pre-season and in most polls, still ranked #1 team on the Road, qualifies them as a good team, not great but good. Loyola, I would say could also be a good team, though wildly inconsistent.

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Joewillie78
It's your poll so do what you want. Maryland was a (historically great) defending champ last year and they were ultimately just a decent team. UVA was also just ok as a defending champ in '22.

It's very difficult to repeat. There's a lot of parties between last year's national championship and the current season. Motivation is tough to maintain. And honestly, maybe they just got lucky to beat UVA last year in the semifinals after getting dominated twice in the regular season and a dude missed a point blank shot to put the game away for the Hoos?

I'm not saying ND is not a top 6 team ultimately, but that's kind of the same BCS football logic that always produced the same 4 teams in the playoffs over and over. Right now, very early in the season, the data should indicate that ND should not be ranked #6. Right now. That said, they can easily dominate Maryland at home next week and earn a top 5 ranking.

Emmy have polls before 6 games in the books then.

Do you have NJIT in your top 12? PSU must barely be scraping the top 20.

There’s a limit to the “blind” aspect to the new season and my team that has that attack (kavs and Taylor), dobson & entemenn plus a few others is reasonable in the top 8-9 today but above 5 would be a tougher sell with the L.

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2024 6:34 pm**

coda wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 6:05 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:26 pm My new top 20, 2/25:

1. Duke
2. Virginia
3. Maryland
4. Denver
5. Army
6. Notre Dame
7. Yale
8. Johns Hopkins
9. Syracuse
10. Penn State
11. Cornell
12. Michigan
13. Harvard
14. Rutgers
15. Georgetown
16. Penn
17. Towson
18. Princeton
19. North Carolina
20. Ohio State

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Joewillie78
I have a hard time figuring out how UVa is #2, Maryland #3, and Richmond is unranked. Love to hear what the back half of that top 20 has done that puts them above Richmond

I think I have been pretty consistent on insisting that their is no such thing as a "good" loss.
My beloved Big Red lost on the road to the now #4 team in the country by 1. Was this a "good" loss? In my opinion, NO. It was a loss and thus they tumbled to #11.
Sorry, Richmond losses were just that, losses. If they had won 1 of those, I would obviously have them in my top 20.

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Joewillie78

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2024 6:35 pm**

Duke a slam dunk number one with their murderers row if an early schedule. Face it, Maryland and Virginity haven’t beaten anyone that compares to the power houses that Duke has vanquished.

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