Dip&Dunk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:19 am
At the end of the day, lacrosse is won on the field.
The great teams have great teams.
But if you have to break it down, great FO’s keep great middies off the field (and then the rules get changed), great goalies don’t care who is shooting, great attackers make middies jobs easier, great defenses slow down (don’t stop) great offenses.
The really great middies face-off and play both ways. Rare, but dominating.
Hate that slow-down, positional substitution. Anathema to the free-flowing game I played and loved.
Want that slow shite? Play fool(foot)ball and be done with it.
Was there honestly anyone better at that in the modern era than Jon Reese?
I'm a huge Jon Reese fan.
And there are a handful who were very good. Good enough to be a HM or second team AA.
But the only one I can think of that might have a claim is Ryan Wade:
c'mon kram. wade took a few faceoffs and scored a couple points a game.
i'm biased and andy kraus was a reese wannabe, but as close as it comes. kyle harrison showed up as a throwback.
No mention of Kotz? Wasn't he (arguably) the best middle who faced off.... of all time?
ha! don't remember how much he faced off, maybe plenty? he didn't do it much when squared up against or with locally for a couple years. he was excellent.
reese had the chance to play against once. the original caller mentioned all 3... faceoff, both ways, including d. that's what i remember from that day (and watching him play the following year). seeing him there in front of you constantly, and all over the place.
Re: Middies Wins Championships
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:49 pm
by a fan
wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:13 pm
ha! don't remember how much he faced off, maybe plenty? he didn't do it much when squared up against or with locally for a couple years. he was excellent.
Kotz was Syracuse's main faceoff option. And he faced off in both 86 and 90 for Team USA. Or at least he did for all the games I have/have seen. In college, he floated around 50%.....more than enough to warrant keeping him a the X, as half the time, you have some Fogo trying to defend.....Brad Kotz.
wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:13 pm
reese had the chance to play against once. the original caller mentioned all 3... faceoff, both ways, including d. that's what i remember from that day (and watching him play the following year). seeing him there in front of you constantly, and all over the place.
I've only seen him in two games. Can't imagine that he was much fun to play against.
Here's one of his games....
Re: Middies Wins Championships
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:53 pm
by tech37
Fast forward... I'd take Zach Currier over all these guys
Re: Middies Wins Championships
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:14 pm
by a fan
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:53 pm
Fast forward... I'd take Zach Currier over all these guys
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:53 pm
Fast forward... I'd take Zach Currier over all these guys
+1
no one plugged or liked currier more than me.
but a friendly reminder needs to be posted that reese scored 82 goals. in one year. from the midfield. in addition to everything else.
No doubt Reese was great and we're comparing different eras.
Re: Middies Wins Championships
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2022 5:16 pm
by DMac
Good to see you back around in these here parts, tech, it didn't go unnoticed that we hadn't seen you in quite awhile.
Re: Middies Wins Championships
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2022 5:31 pm
by youthathletics
DMac wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 5:16 pm
Good to see you back around in these here parts, tech, it didn't go unnoticed that we hadn't seen you in quite awhile.
DMac wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 5:16 pm
Good to see you back around in these here parts, tech, it didn't go unnoticed that we hadn't seen you in quite awhile.
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:53 pm
Fast forward... I'd take Zach Currier over all these guys
+1
no one plugged or liked currier more than me.
but a friendly reminder needs to be posted that reese scored 82 goals. in one year. from the midfield. in addition to everything else.
No doubt Reese was great and we're comparing different eras.
sure, maybe, but currier doesn't score 82 goals in any era? and nobody did that in any era except reese.
currier was 3 way because anything he was around was a gb. offense, faceoff and gbs elsewhere. no defense, but nobody nowadays does both ends great at the same time. he was a bit sloppy on turnovers for this era if i had a nick on him. but still amazing how he comes up with everything. if i have just one game to watch on a summer weekend, i watch waterdogs.
wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:13 pm
ha! don't remember how much he faced off, maybe plenty? he didn't do it much when squared up against or with locally for a couple years. he was excellent.
Kotz was Syracuse's main faceoff option. And he faced off in both 86 and 90 for Team USA. Or at least he did for all the games I have/have seen. In college, he floated around 50%.....more than enough to warrant keeping him a the X, as half the time, you have some Fogo trying to defend.....Brad Kotz.
There’s plenty on Brad Kotz out there on his days at Syracuse.
But also, in my opinion, Kotz and Mike French (among others)
made a great team in the early days of the Philadelphia Wings,
drawing in the crowds, playing a crowd pleasing style of
indoor lacrosse.
That franchise lasted almost 30 years.
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:53 pm
Fast forward... I'd take Zach Currier over all these guys
+1
no one plugged or liked currier more than me.
but a friendly reminder needs to be posted that reese scored 82 goals. in one year. from the midfield. in addition to everything else.
I love Jon Reese. Not saying Zach is a better player, but I would take him. I love him.
if you told me you took any guy and i could have zach... i'd be good with that.
Re: Middies Wins Championships
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:17 pm
by molo
And remember on the 2018 Team Canada Currier played ssdm and took most face-off wings. At Princeton he wasn’t a bad face-off man although Petro might still have a slight objection to his technique.
Thank u gents!