Race in America - Riots Explode in Chicago

[cradleandshoot]

Democrats dearly, desperately want this to be a too-perfect tied-in-a-bow story to make the perfect case that America (except the person saying so, of course...) is full of racist 'Republican' knuckledraggers and therefore we must atone by going full-on socialist, but guess what? Smarter minds wait for the full story to come out.

What's wrong with ME?

Yes. What's wrong with you. What the heck do political parties have to do with this incident? Not one person has mentioned how anyone involved in this mess votes, FFS, Pete. Party has nothing to do with this story.

And neither does socialism. Have no clue how you came up with that one.

This is about Civil Rights. A subject you told us was your #1 concern when it comes to politics. You're sure not acting like that's the case here.

You're telling us that you don't want to jump to any conclusions in this case. And that'd be fine, except you had NO RESERVATIONS about jumping to conclusions with all your complaints about how Flynn was handled.

Party has EVERYTHING to do with this story.

Democrats are already blaming Trump.

Maxine waters vehemently

The democrat mayor sought to lay off blame by accusing 400 years of racism.

There have been 50 years of democrat mayors promising to make life better for their black constituents.
And telling them that republicans hate them.

And as PB pointed out ALL the senior leaders federal state and local are democrats. And they're blaming Trump.

6 I am not going to get into all of the political stuff. I am staying focused on the one point I know These officers apparently took all of the training they have ever had and threw it out the window. Police officers HAVE to know better than this, especially when the guy is pleading with the cops that he can't breath. Did the cops think he was kidding them? Police officers can't do stuff like this. That is not how they are trained and that is not how you treat the people that you serve.

[seacoaster]

Democrats dearly, desperately want this to be a too-perfect tied-in-a-bow story to make the perfect case that America (except the person saying so, of course...) is full of racist 'Republican' knuckledraggers and therefore we must atone by going full-on socialist, but guess what? Smarter minds wait for the full story to come out.

What's wrong with ME?

Yes. What's wrong with you. What the heck do political parties have to do with this incident? Not one person has mentioned how anyone involved in this mess votes, FFS, Pete. Party has nothing to do with this story.

And neither does socialism. Have no clue how you came up with that one.

This is about Civil Rights. A subject you told us was your #1 concern when it comes to politics. You're sure not acting like that's the case here.

You're telling us that you don't want to jump to any conclusions in this case. And that'd be fine, except you had NO RESERVATIONS about jumping to conclusions with all your complaints about how Flynn was handled.

Party has EVERYTHING to do with this story.

Democrats are already blaming Trump.

Maxine waters vehemently

The democrat mayor sought to lay off blame by accusing 400 years of racism.

There have been 50 years of democrat mayors promising to make life better for their black constituents.
And telling them that republicans hate them.

And as PB pointed out ALL the senior leaders federal state and local are democrats. And they're blaming Trump.

6 I am not going to get into all of the political stuff. I am staying focused on the one point I know These officers apparently took all of the training they have ever had and threw it out the window. Police officers HAVE to know better than this, especially when the guy is pleading with the cops that he can't breath. Did the cops think he was kidding them? Police officers can't do stuff like this. That is not how they are trained and that is not how you treat the people that you serve.

Good post C&S. Nuff said.

[a fan]

Party has EVERYTHING to do with this story.

It does with the secondary story---the reaction to what happened. Yes, I'll grant you that.

And as PB pointed out ALL the senior leaders federal state and local are democrats. And they're blaming Trump.

Yes. Why? Did you see what Trump tweeted? And that Trump didn't point out that there were "good people" protesting in MN, as he did with the White Power wankers?

Trump managed to empathize with protesters who were upset about Confederate Statues being pulled down who were mixed in with White Power ***holes.

And yet he can't empathize with black protesters...the vast majority peaceful...upset about an alleged murder?

It doesn't look good, six. Then add in having a sitting President threatening violence against his own citizens? Come on. Can we not agree that that's bad, and Trump is NOT helping here?

[6ftstick]

Democrats dearly, desperately want this to be a too-perfect tied-in-a-bow story to make the perfect case that America (except the person saying so, of course...) is full of racist 'Republican' knuckledraggers and therefore we must atone by going full-on socialist, but guess what? Smarter minds wait for the full story to come out.

What's wrong with ME?

Yes. What's wrong with you. What the heck do political parties have to do with this incident? Not one person has mentioned how anyone involved in this mess votes, FFS, Pete. Party has nothing to do with this story.

And neither does socialism. Have no clue how you came up with that one.

This is about Civil Rights. A subject you told us was your #1 concern when it comes to politics. You're sure not acting like that's the case here.

You're telling us that you don't want to jump to any conclusions in this case. And that'd be fine, except you had NO RESERVATIONS about jumping to conclusions with all your complaints about how Flynn was handled.

Party has EVERYTHING to do with this story.

Democrats are already blaming Trump.

Maxine waters vehemently

The democrat mayor sought to lay off blame by accusing 400 years of racism.

There have been 50 years of democrat mayors promising to make life better for their black constituents.
And telling them that republicans hate them.

And as PB pointed out ALL the senior leaders federal state and local are democrats. And they're blaming Trump.

6 I am not going to get into all of the political stuff. I am staying focused on the one point I know These officers apparently took all of the training they have ever had and threw it out the window. Police officers HAVE to know better than this, especially when the guy is pleading with the cops that he can't breath. Did the cops think he was kidding them? Police officers can't do stuff like this. That is not how they are trained and that is not how you treat the people that you serve.

Cradle this storu is already past bad cops. This is INSTITUTIONAL RACISM fostered by Trump and republicans.

There are riots in Ohio, Colorado and points all over the country.

Cries of racism drive the black vote for democrats—even though Minneapolis Chicago NY every major american city —are run by democrats failing to address the problems of their black constituents.

This coronavirus thing may not be enough to beat Trump but add it in with RACISM and the dems think they have their winner.

If you don't believe that you aint black.

[6ftstick]

Party has EVERYTHING to do with this story.

It does with the secondary story---the reaction to what happened. Yes, I'll grant you that.

And as PB pointed out ALL the senior leaders federal state and local are democrats. And they're blaming Trump.

Yes. Why? Did you see what Trump tweeted? And that Trump didn't point out that there were "good people" protesting in MN, as he did with the White Power wankers?

Trump managed to empathize with protesters who were upset about Confederate Statues being pulled down who were mixed in with White Power ***holes.

And yet he can't empathize with black protesters...the vast majority peaceful...upset about an alleged murder?

It doesn't look good, six. Then add in having a sitting President threatening violence against his own citizens? Come on. Can we not agree that that's bad, and Trump is NOT helping here?

That whole charlottesville bumper sticker you're throwing at me is BULLS*t. Look up the facts.

But for a story that's not POLItICAL you'er throwing political arguments at me.

[Brooklyn]

I never said that corps weren't dependent on .gov.

You act like it's an either OR proposition.

Politicians on both sides love to keep their constituents wanting more. The Republicans do it to big businesses, The Democrats do it to the poor and downtrodden city residents.

Ironically, Republicans claim to be better Christians than all else. And their Bible says to help the poor, not the rich. In fact, according to that book God punishes a nation that enriches the rich while abusing the poor. Mebbe that's why the USA got screwed under Hoover, Reagan, Bush I & II, and now tRUMP.

[Brooklyn]

Yep. On Wed night, the police station was clearly the target of protesters. They were in a stand off with a line of police in riot gear, with SWAT snipers in overwatch rooftop positions. The National Guard had been deployed & should have surrounded the police station by sunset on Thurs.
A robust police presence, backed up by NG troops, was needed to allow Fire & EMS access.
There was ample time for the Mayor to coord with the Gov to prepare. Instead, he went on Rachel Maddow.

Cops have been agitating for a new state of the art HQ for quite a while now. They abandoned it so that it could be torched and a new one would have to be built. This is not the kind of thing you'll see in the headlines but that's what happened.

[DMac]

All the burning, looting, and mayhem aside, how stupid do you have to be to pose like the conquerer with his knee in the neck of his conquered while he begs for mercy, in today's world?
He's gotta be thinkin' all the YouTubers, Tik Tokers, and Facebookers are gonna be sayin', "Das right, he da baddest mufkr in all da land."
Nope.

[Brooklyn]

How can Brooklyn plausibly accuse Minnesotans of racism when the DFL is the go-to party in the state, it has two Democratic Senators, a democratic Governor, and practically a socialist mayor of Minneapolis? Even Ilhan Omar is from the state. Hillary won the state!

Let's be real: this is a Democratic controlled state (to their detriment of course, but not relevant).

Maybe Democrats have a closeted racist ethos we need to address?

Listen to all the claims made by people on Minnesota tv. Do you ever hear them say, "Republicans are responsible"? Instead, you hear "cops are responsible". They are condemning institutional and systemic racism. Never once have I heard them blame the Pukes for all of this. It's the same all over TV. True, that idiot-in-chief that you love so damn much has stoked some of these fires. But nobody has blamed your party for this entirely.

[Nigel]

Similarities in police mistake/negligence/stupidity/overreaction leading to tragic death. Similarities in 3rd degree murder and manslaughter charges (led to 2019 conviction in Justine Rusczyk Damond case).

Not similar in rioting, burning your own neighborhoods, looting, and general destruction.

Nice job rioters. Hard not agree with this tweet (IMO).

[Peter Brown]

This cop tortured the guy to his death for no reason in broad daylight.

And all you care about is your heck pathetic deplorable disgusting partisan bull turd and lies.

I will now gladly take my penalty from the mods for calling you out Petey as a low life piece of turd.

See you all in a few weeks.

Unlike most, I would never seek you to be placed in a time out no matter what you say about me. Most Democrats (I assume you are one based on your litany of posts) get fairly fried when someone prefers facts, patience, and nuance.

More importantly, you are wrong here: the cop did not torture the guy 'to death'. He died of other causes, assuming the coroner is not corrupt and issued his findings in a neutral manner (which I will assume since coroners aren't generally partisan). Was the cop an arse? Sure. Many are. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

And so far as me caring about partisan anything: I don't care about partisan anything; I call out Dems and Republicans where they deserve it, mostly dems since I find their policies to be antithetical to American excellence. I think George W was the worst president this country has ever had; failry sure he was a Republican.

"More importantly, you are wrong here: the cop did not torture the guy 'to death'. He died of other causes,"

PB, the dude kept saying over and over and over pleading that he could not breath. Eventually he passed out and could not plead for his life anymore. YES the police tortured him and caused his death. The video is disgusting and revolting. I have not heard any experienced police officers say this was a proper way to subdue a suspect. Common effing sense tells you don't put your freaking boot on the guys neck. What SHOULD have happened was one of the police officers at the scene should have dragged his ass off of the man. The fact these other officers stood by and watched this... DEPLORABLE.

Just to be clear, I’m in no way ‘defending’ the cop’s actions. I’m defending his legal rights as a human. I’m willing to wait and see what actually caused the guy’s death; this is likely a more nuanced death, not a more nuanced abuse of power.

What I don’t see is racism. Most do. I just see a cop with a power complex. That happens across America every day.

Democrats will abuse the situation to do what they do. Incite blacks to vote for them. Meanwhile they occupy every office in Minnesota.

[Peter Brown]

Civil rights are not about bending the knee to the mob. Civil rights are about standing up for the rights of the one guy in the universe that everyone hates.

Uh. No. That's contrarianism. That has NOTHING to do with Civil Rights.

Why do I mention Democrats? Because they are throwing gasoline on a situation they have zero clue about other than the video

The video is enough for outrage. Putting your knee on a man's neck is inherently dangerous. Doubly so when the man tells you he can't breath.

The coroner has come out with his results. They don't square with your preferred narrative.

And what is my preferred narrative?? You know, you keep doing the things you swear you hate. You claim to hate people who jump to conclusions...and then you jump to conclusions not five seconds later.

My preferred narrative is that this event never happened in the first place. But I can't fix that.

Stand up sometimes for the lonely guy out there, a fan; don't always echo the mob's demand you be part of their imbecilic crowd. That is civil rights.

Where did you come up with this idea as to what Civil Rights are? You think MLK was marching to "stand up for the lonely guy"?

Are you serious here?

You’re very wrong about civil rights. History shows that civil rights have often been denied to the most minority of people’s.

There’s no lonelier soul in the universe than a person accused of murder. Perhaps an even lonelier soul is one convicted of murder.

A society should be judged not by how it treats its outstanding citizens but by how it treats its criminals. Dostoyevsky

I’d say Democrats fail this standard every day.

[Peter Brown]

What this has become.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/05/29/loot ... ghter-bar/

Black Firefighter Spent His Life Savings To Open A Bar. Then Minneapolis Looters Burned It Down.

Anyone hacked about this? Or is the narrative more important?

Thugs looting stores and burning down this man’s business. Don’t feed me that hollow bs. The mob is a tool of the Democratic Party.

[a fan]

Civil rights are not about bending the knee to the mob. Civil rights are about standing up for the rights of the one guy in the universe that everyone hates.

Uh. No. That's contrarianism. That has NOTHING to do with Civil Rights.

Why do I mention Democrats? Because they are throwing gasoline on a situation they have zero clue about other than the video

The video is enough for outrage. Putting your knee on a man's neck is inherently dangerous. Doubly so when the man tells you he can't breath.

The coroner has come out with his results. They don't square with your preferred narrative.

And what is my preferred narrative?? You know, you keep doing the things you swear you hate. You claim to hate people who jump to conclusions...and then you jump to conclusions not five seconds later.

My preferred narrative is that this event never happened in the first place. But I can't fix that.

Stand up sometimes for the lonely guy out there, a fan; don't always echo the mob's demand you be part of their imbecilic crowd. That is civil rights.

Where did you come up with this idea as to what Civil Rights are? You think MLK was marching to "stand up for the lonely guy"?

Are you serious here?

You’re very wrong about civil rights. History shows that civil rights have often been denied to the most minority of people’s.

Dude. You're playing games here.

Civil Rights is about equal treatment of minorities in America. Not loneliness. Or wrongful prosecutions. But if you want to add in a bunch of other stuff to what Civil Rights are, knock yourself out.

[a fan]

Party has EVERYTHING to do with this story.

It does with the secondary story---the reaction to what happened. Yes, I'll grant you that.

And as PB pointed out ALL the senior leaders federal state and local are democrats. And they're blaming Trump.

Yes. Why? Did you see what Trump tweeted? And that Trump didn't point out that there were "good people" protesting in MN, as he did with the White Power wankers?

Trump managed to empathize with protesters who were upset about Confederate Statues being pulled down who were mixed in with White Power ***holes.

And yet he can't empathize with black protesters...the vast majority peaceful...upset about an alleged murder?

It doesn't look good, six. Then add in having a sitting President threatening violence against his own citizens? Come on. Can we not agree that that's bad, and Trump is NOT helping here?

That whole charlottesville bumper sticker you're throwing at me is BULLS*t. Look up the facts.

But for a story that's not POLItICAL you'er throwing political arguments at me.

You tell me that this IS a political issue, and that I'm wrong.

And then when I say fine, let's discuss the political angle.

Then you yell at me for "making political arguments".


Have a nice weekend, 6.

[youthathletics]

Almost as if George knew something....listen to him before he does talking about the idiocy and pure disregard of some: https://www.instagram.com/tv/CAylWpIDrl ... ejyjdljrym

[youthathletics]

Tony Dungy letter is certainly worth a read and on point. https://twitter.com/tonydungy/status/12 ... 25569?s=21

[Typical Lax Dad]

Monkey see, Monkey do...

[a fan]

Have a friend who owns a distillery in the immediate area of the burning and looting. Last night, he called the cops and the fire department and told them to not enter the building if it's burning----let it go----because barrels of whiskey are explosive, and would kill 1st responders.

He then walked away, hoping it wouldn't burn. I'm waiting to hear if it survived the night. Rough stuff.

The distillery warehouse, which is on the same block as the police station, was broken into and set on fire at 2am last night. The tasting room and production area survived.

Fire suppression dumped 26,000 gallons of water in 5 hours...good thing, because it spared the entire block from a massive explosion. Between whiskey and other high proof spirits on site

For those who don't know, ethanol is explosive at 55% abv and up. He had several hundred gallons jugs of hand sanitizer on hand, in addition to their own spirits. It's a miracle the whole building didn't explode, no joke.

[Brooklyn]

Party has EVERYTHING to do with this story.

Suddenly everybody is an expert. Except for one or two folks nobody on this forum has lived anywhere near Minnesota. But somehow they are "experts".

Let's cut the partisan bullshtt. Nobody here has condemned neither the Dems nor Reps. This problem is systemic as I said before. You want to express an opinion, fine. But please don't act as if you know what the hell is really going on here.