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HopFan16 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:28 am

DMac wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:13 am Much nicer environment to raise a family up here, IMO, plenty of lacrosse too.

You know the coach doesn't have to live and raise his family in the west side of Baltimore city right? There are some extremely nice suburbs within commuting distance of Homewood with some of the best schools (public and private) in the entire country. Excellent environments to raise a family. Bonus: The weather is better and you're also not in the middle of nowhere.

LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:46 am To the alums that helped orchestrate this:

I hope you are confident in your search firm. There are exactly three (THREE!) current coaches with Petro’s resume (Danowski, Desko, and Tierney). Multiple national championships, multiple final fours, etc.

In 2009, there was a hall of fame coach with a similar resume as Petro. His team was “floundering” in the context of the standards set by his own success. Like Petro, this man was coaching at a prestigious academic institution and was revered there. He had a few years of not even making it to the quarterfinals or even out of the first round. He hadn’t won a championship in 8 years (gasp!). Recently he had suffered early round exits to lower seeded mid majors and squeaked out a one point win in what would have been the biggest upset in tournament history, only to lose to a lower seeded team in the next round.

Thankfully, Duke didn’t fire Coach K. He went on to win the national championship again in 2010 and 2015.

The grass isn’t always greener. I hope the alums and administration took a hard look in the mirror before concluding Petro was the problem. Did they consider that perhaps Petro was keeping the program afloat? That without him it would have been irrelevant? In the murder capital of the United States, an expensive liberal arts school with rigorous academics...perhaps Petro wasn’t doing a bad job. Maybe he was doing a great job and the program would have been far worse without him.

ps. I don’t know how much of this, if any, I actually believe. “The mark of an educated mind is the ability to entertain a thought without accepting it.” -Aristotle

TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:02 pm

LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:46 am To the alums that helped orchestrate this:

I hope you are confident in your search firm. There are exactly three (THREE!) current coaches with Petro’s resume (Danowski, Desko, and Tierney). Multiple national championships, multiple final fours, etc.

In 2009, there was a hall of fame coach with a similar resume as Petro. His team was “floundering” in the context of the standards set by his own success. Like Petro, this man was coaching at a prestigious academic institution and was revered there. He had a few years of not even making it to the quarterfinals or even out of the first round. He hadn’t won a championship in 8 years (gasp!). Recently he had suffered early round exits to lower seeded mid majors and squeaked out a one point win in what would have been the biggest upset in tournament history, only to lose to a lower seeded team in the next round.

Thankfully, Duke didn’t fire Coach K. He went on to win the national championship again in 2010 and 2015.

The grass isn’t always greener. I hope the alums and administration took a hard look in the mirror before concluding Petro was the problem. Did they consider that perhaps Petro was keeping the program afloat? That without him it would have been irrelevant? In the murder capital of the United States, an expensive liberal arts school with rigorous academics...perhaps Petro wasn’t doing a bad job. Maybe he was doing a great job and the program would have been far worse without him.

ps. I don’t know how much of this, if any, I actually believe. “The mark of an educated mind is the ability to entertain a thought without accepting it.” -Aristotle

The game from 1990 to 2009 is a completely different thing to the game from 2010-2020. The prior era was before the faceoff man, before two way middies were commonplace and before the shot clock. Equally as important that era was before lacrosse had spread enough for teams that weren't Hopkins, Maryland, Syracuse, Virginia and a few others to recruit clearly superior talent. When you're looking at coaches the eras need to be separated and the fact is in this era Petro (and Desko too, who you also mentioned) is behind Danowski, Toomey, Tillman, Tiffany, Shea and maybe even a few more. There's really no good argument that Hopkins has been better the last 10 years than Maryland or Loyola. Is that good enough for Hopkins?

Ultimately Pietramala was living off of his run in the mid 2000s 12 years later. He had the 2015 final four, but again is one final four in almost 15 years what Hopkins wants? They still recruit at the level Maryland, Yale and Duke do, but they don't perform at that level on the field. At some point he had to be looked at and honestly for me this is the right time to move on.

That said I think the coaching candidates being floated are weak. Nadelen is probably the best, but I'm not sure how his style will translate and he's coming in off of a really shaky year at Towson. So I feel like it could look like this was a mistake early on. At some point I expect that will end though and that a different coach will have Hopkins back as a powerhouse.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:44 pm

TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:02 pm

LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:46 am To the alums that helped orchestrate this:

I hope you are confident in your search firm. There are exactly three (THREE!) current coaches with Petro’s resume (Danowski, Desko, and Tierney). Multiple national championships, multiple final fours, etc.

In 2009, there was a hall of fame coach with a similar resume as Petro. His team was “floundering” in the context of the standards set by his own success. Like Petro, this man was coaching at a prestigious academic institution and was revered there. He had a few years of not even making it to the quarterfinals or even out of the first round. He hadn’t won a championship in 8 years (gasp!). Recently he had suffered early round exits to lower seeded mid majors and squeaked out a one point win in what would have been the biggest upset in tournament history, only to lose to a lower seeded team in the next round.

Thankfully, Duke didn’t fire Coach K. He went on to win the national championship again in 2010 and 2015.

The grass isn’t always greener. I hope the alums and administration took a hard look in the mirror before concluding Petro was the problem. Did they consider that perhaps Petro was keeping the program afloat? That without him it would have been irrelevant? In the murder capital of the United States, an expensive liberal arts school with rigorous academics...perhaps Petro wasn’t doing a bad job. Maybe he was doing a great job and the program would have been far worse without him.

ps. I don’t know how much of this, if any, I actually believe. “The mark of an educated mind is the ability to entertain a thought without accepting it.” -Aristotle

The game from 1990 to 2009 is a completely different thing to the game from 2010-2020. The prior era was before the faceoff man, before two way middies were commonplace and before the shot clock. Equally as important that era was before lacrosse had spread enough for teams that weren't Hopkins, Maryland, Syracuse, Virginia and a few others to recruit clearly superior talent. When you're looking at coaches the eras need to be separated and the fact is in this era Petro (and Desko too, who you also mentioned) is behind Danowski, Toomey, Tillman, Tiffany, Shea and maybe even a few more. There's really no good argument that Hopkins has been better the last 10 years than Maryland or Loyola. Is that good enough for Hopkins?

Ultimately Pietramala was living off of his run in the mid 2000s 12 years later. He had the 2015 final four, but again is one final four in almost 15 years what Hopkins wants? They still recruit at the level Maryland, Yale and Duke do, but they don't perform at that level on the field. At some point he had to be looked at and honestly for me this is the right time to move on.

That said I think the coaching candidates being floated are weak. Nadelen is probably the best, but I'm not sure how his style will translate and he's coming in off of a really shaky year at Towson. So I feel like it could look like this was a mistake early on. At some point I expect that will end though and that a different coach will have Hopkins back as a powerhouse.

Was Kyle Harrison a faceoff man during Hopkins’ last championship?

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:44 pm

TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:02 pm

LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:46 am To the alums that helped orchestrate this:

I hope you are confident in your search firm. There are exactly three (THREE!) current coaches with Petro’s resume (Danowski, Desko, and Tierney). Multiple national championships, multiple final fours, etc.

In 2009, there was a hall of fame coach with a similar resume as Petro. His team was “floundering” in the context of the standards set by his own success. Like Petro, this man was coaching at a prestigious academic institution and was revered there. He had a few years of not even making it to the quarterfinals or even out of the first round. He hadn’t won a championship in 8 years (gasp!). Recently he had suffered early round exits to lower seeded mid majors and squeaked out a one point win in what would have been the biggest upset in tournament history, only to lose to a lower seeded team in the next round.

Thankfully, Duke didn’t fire Coach K. He went on to win the national championship again in 2010 and 2015.

The grass isn’t always greener. I hope the alums and administration took a hard look in the mirror before concluding Petro was the problem. Did they consider that perhaps Petro was keeping the program afloat? That without him it would have been irrelevant? In the murder capital of the United States, an expensive liberal arts school with rigorous academics...perhaps Petro wasn’t doing a bad job. Maybe he was doing a great job and the program would have been far worse without him.

ps. I don’t know how much of this, if any, I actually believe. “The mark of an educated mind is the ability to entertain a thought without accepting it.” -Aristotle

The game from 1990 to 2009 is a completely different thing to the game from 2010-2020. The prior era was before the faceoff man, before two way middies were commonplace and before the shot clock. Equally as important that era was before lacrosse had spread enough for teams that weren't Hopkins, Maryland, Syracuse, Virginia and a few others to recruit clearly superior talent. When you're looking at coaches the eras need to be separated and the fact is in this era Petro (and Desko too, who you also mentioned) is behind Danowski, Toomey, Tillman, Tiffany, Shea and maybe even a few more. There's really no good argument that Hopkins has been better the last 10 years than Maryland or Loyola. Is that good enough for Hopkins?

Ultimately Pietramala was living off of his run in the mid 2000s 12 years later. He had the 2015 final four, but again is one final four in almost 15 years what Hopkins wants? They still recruit at the level Maryland, Yale and Duke do, but they don't perform at that level on the field. At some point he had to be looked at and honestly for me this is the right time to move on.

That said I think the coaching candidates being floated are weak. Nadelen is probably the best, but I'm not sure how his style will translate and he's coming in off of a really shaky year at Towson. So I feel like it could look like this was a mistake early on. At some point I expect that will end though and that a different coach will have Hopkins back as a powerhouse.

Was Kyle Harrison a faceoff man during Hopkins’ last championship?

TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:08 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:44 pm

TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:02 pm

LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:46 am To the alums that helped orchestrate this:

I hope you are confident in your search firm. There are exactly three (THREE!) current coaches with Petro’s resume (Danowski, Desko, and Tierney). Multiple national championships, multiple final fours, etc.

In 2009, there was a hall of fame coach with a similar resume as Petro. His team was “floundering” in the context of the standards set by his own success. Like Petro, this man was coaching at a prestigious academic institution and was revered there. He had a few years of not even making it to the quarterfinals or even out of the first round. He hadn’t won a championship in 8 years (gasp!). Recently he had suffered early round exits to lower seeded mid majors and squeaked out a one point win in what would have been the biggest upset in tournament history, only to lose to a lower seeded team in the next round.

Thankfully, Duke didn’t fire Coach K. He went on to win the national championship again in 2010 and 2015.

The grass isn’t always greener. I hope the alums and administration took a hard look in the mirror before concluding Petro was the problem. Did they consider that perhaps Petro was keeping the program afloat? That without him it would have been irrelevant? In the murder capital of the United States, an expensive liberal arts school with rigorous academics...perhaps Petro wasn’t doing a bad job. Maybe he was doing a great job and the program would have been far worse without him.

ps. I don’t know how much of this, if any, I actually believe. “The mark of an educated mind is the ability to entertain a thought without accepting it.” -Aristotle

The game from 1990 to 2009 is a completely different thing to the game from 2010-2020. The prior era was before the faceoff man, before two way middies were commonplace and before the shot clock. Equally as important that era was before lacrosse had spread enough for teams that weren't Hopkins, Maryland, Syracuse, Virginia and a few others to recruit clearly superior talent. When you're looking at coaches the eras need to be separated and the fact is in this era Petro (and Desko too, who you also mentioned) is behind Danowski, Toomey, Tillman, Tiffany, Shea and maybe even a few more. There's really no good argument that Hopkins has been better the last 10 years than Maryland or Loyola. Is that good enough for Hopkins?

Ultimately Pietramala was living off of his run in the mid 2000s 12 years later. He had the 2015 final four, but again is one final four in almost 15 years what Hopkins wants? They still recruit at the level Maryland, Yale and Duke do, but they don't perform at that level on the field. At some point he had to be looked at and honestly for me this is the right time to move on.

That said I think the coaching candidates being floated are weak. Nadelen is probably the best, but I'm not sure how his style will translate and he's coming in off of a really shaky year at Towson. So I feel like it could look like this was a mistake early on. At some point I expect that will end though and that a different coach will have Hopkins back as a powerhouse.

Was Kyle Harrison a faceoff man during Hopkins’ last championship?

I don't know what you're trying to say exactly but that's kind of my point. Harrison took faceoffs while playing first line midfield and that doesn't happen anymore. The closest in recent years is Currier but Princeton had real FOGOs too. That's a huge change in strategy.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:55 am

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:28 am

DMac wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:13 am Much nicer environment to raise a family up here, IMO, plenty of lacrosse too.

You know the coach doesn't have to live and raise his family in the west side of Baltimore city right? There are some extremely nice suburbs within commuting distance of Homewood with some of the best schools (public and private) in the entire country. Excellent environments to raise a family. Bonus: The weather is better and you're also not in the middle of nowhere.

That's the way I see it as well.

Tremendous living environment for a family.

I think the negative "Baltimore" meme is a bunch of hooey from competitors, ill-wishers.

A coach at Hopkins in this next era probably needs to embrace more of an Ivy or Duke perspective on recruiting, though there may continue to be more of a flexible admissions capability ala most ACC and Big 10 situations. Historically, Hopkins has had a wide latitude for Lax.

I'd be thinking about that if I was looking for the next coach, someone who can sell the benefits of coming to Hopkins beyond the tremendous stage that it still is for the team. But it's a very sellable proposition, IMO.

The new coach at Harvard would have been on a short list a year ago...

TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:08 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:44 pm

TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:02 pm

LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:46 am To the alums that helped orchestrate this:

I hope you are confident in your search firm. There are exactly three (THREE!) current coaches with Petro’s resume (Danowski, Desko, and Tierney). Multiple national championships, multiple final fours, etc.

In 2009, there was a hall of fame coach with a similar resume as Petro. His team was “floundering” in the context of the standards set by his own success. Like Petro, this man was coaching at a prestigious academic institution and was revered there. He had a few years of not even making it to the quarterfinals or even out of the first round. He hadn’t won a championship in 8 years (gasp!). Recently he had suffered early round exits to lower seeded mid majors and squeaked out a one point win in what would have been the biggest upset in tournament history, only to lose to a lower seeded team in the next round.

Thankfully, Duke didn’t fire Coach K. He went on to win the national championship again in 2010 and 2015.

The grass isn’t always greener. I hope the alums and administration took a hard look in the mirror before concluding Petro was the problem. Did they consider that perhaps Petro was keeping the program afloat? That without him it would have been irrelevant? In the murder capital of the United States, an expensive liberal arts school with rigorous academics...perhaps Petro wasn’t doing a bad job. Maybe he was doing a great job and the program would have been far worse without him.

ps. I don’t know how much of this, if any, I actually believe. “The mark of an educated mind is the ability to entertain a thought without accepting it.” -Aristotle

The game from 1990 to 2009 is a completely different thing to the game from 2010-2020. The prior era was before the faceoff man, before two way middies were commonplace and before the shot clock. Equally as important that era was before lacrosse had spread enough for teams that weren't Hopkins, Maryland, Syracuse, Virginia and a few others to recruit clearly superior talent. When you're looking at coaches the eras need to be separated and the fact is in this era Petro (and Desko too, who you also mentioned) is behind Danowski, Toomey, Tillman, Tiffany, Shea and maybe even a few more. There's really no good argument that Hopkins has been better the last 10 years than Maryland or Loyola. Is that good enough for Hopkins?

Ultimately Pietramala was living off of his run in the mid 2000s 12 years later. He had the 2015 final four, but again is one final four in almost 15 years what Hopkins wants? They still recruit at the level Maryland, Yale and Duke do, but they don't perform at that level on the field. At some point he had to be looked at and honestly for me this is the right time to move on.

That said I think the coaching candidates being floated are weak. Nadelen is probably the best, but I'm not sure how his style will translate and he's coming in off of a really shaky year at Towson. So I feel like it could look like this was a mistake early on. At some point I expect that will end though and that a different coach will have Hopkins back as a powerhouse.

Was Kyle Harrison a faceoff man during Hopkins’ last championship?

I don't know what you're trying to say exactly but that's kind of my point. Harrison took faceoffs while playing first line midfield and that doesn't happen anymore. The closest in recent years is Currier but Princeton had real FOGOs too. That's a huge change in strategy.

TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:08 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:44 pm

TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:02 pm

LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:46 am To the alums that helped orchestrate this:

I hope you are confident in your search firm. There are exactly three (THREE!) current coaches with Petro’s resume (Danowski, Desko, and Tierney). Multiple national championships, multiple final fours, etc.

In 2009, there was a hall of fame coach with a similar resume as Petro. His team was “floundering” in the context of the standards set by his own success. Like Petro, this man was coaching at a prestigious academic institution and was revered there. He had a few years of not even making it to the quarterfinals or even out of the first round. He hadn’t won a championship in 8 years (gasp!). Recently he had suffered early round exits to lower seeded mid majors and squeaked out a one point win in what would have been the biggest upset in tournament history, only to lose to a lower seeded team in the next round.

Thankfully, Duke didn’t fire Coach K. He went on to win the national championship again in 2010 and 2015.

The grass isn’t always greener. I hope the alums and administration took a hard look in the mirror before concluding Petro was the problem. Did they consider that perhaps Petro was keeping the program afloat? That without him it would have been irrelevant? In the murder capital of the United States, an expensive liberal arts school with rigorous academics...perhaps Petro wasn’t doing a bad job. Maybe he was doing a great job and the program would have been far worse without him.

ps. I don’t know how much of this, if any, I actually believe. “The mark of an educated mind is the ability to entertain a thought without accepting it.” -Aristotle

The game from 1990 to 2009 is a completely different thing to the game from 2010-2020. The prior era was before the faceoff man, before two way middies were commonplace and before the shot clock. Equally as important that era was before lacrosse had spread enough for teams that weren't Hopkins, Maryland, Syracuse, Virginia and a few others to recruit clearly superior talent. When you're looking at coaches the eras need to be separated and the fact is in this era Petro (and Desko too, who you also mentioned) is behind Danowski, Toomey, Tillman, Tiffany, Shea and maybe even a few more. There's really no good argument that Hopkins has been better the last 10 years than Maryland or Loyola. Is that good enough for Hopkins?

Ultimately Pietramala was living off of his run in the mid 2000s 12 years later. He had the 2015 final four, but again is one final four in almost 15 years what Hopkins wants? They still recruit at the level Maryland, Yale and Duke do, but they don't perform at that level on the field. At some point he had to be looked at and honestly for me this is the right time to move on.

That said I think the coaching candidates being floated are weak. Nadelen is probably the best, but I'm not sure how his style will translate and he's coming in off of a really shaky year at Towson. So I feel like it could look like this was a mistake early on. At some point I expect that will end though and that a different coach will have Hopkins back as a powerhouse.

Was Kyle Harrison a faceoff man during Hopkins’ last championship?

I don't know what you're trying to say exactly but that's kind of my point. Harrison took faceoffs while playing first line midfield and that doesn't happen anymore. The closest in recent years is Currier but Princeton had real FOGOs too. That's a huge change in strategy.

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:35 pm

TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:08 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:44 pm

TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:02 pm

LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:46 am To the alums that helped orchestrate this:

I hope you are confident in your search firm. There are exactly three (THREE!) current coaches with Petro’s resume (Danowski, Desko, and Tierney). Multiple national championships, multiple final fours, etc.

In 2009, there was a hall of fame coach with a similar resume as Petro. His team was “floundering” in the context of the standards set by his own success. Like Petro, this man was coaching at a prestigious academic institution and was revered there. He had a few years of not even making it to the quarterfinals or even out of the first round. He hadn’t won a championship in 8 years (gasp!). Recently he had suffered early round exits to lower seeded mid majors and squeaked out a one point win in what would have been the biggest upset in tournament history, only to lose to a lower seeded team in the next round.

Thankfully, Duke didn’t fire Coach K. He went on to win the national championship again in 2010 and 2015.

The grass isn’t always greener. I hope the alums and administration took a hard look in the mirror before concluding Petro was the problem. Did they consider that perhaps Petro was keeping the program afloat? That without him it would have been irrelevant? In the murder capital of the United States, an expensive liberal arts school with rigorous academics...perhaps Petro wasn’t doing a bad job. Maybe he was doing a great job and the program would have been far worse without him.

ps. I don’t know how much of this, if any, I actually believe. “The mark of an educated mind is the ability to entertain a thought without accepting it.” -Aristotle

The game from 1990 to 2009 is a completely different thing to the game from 2010-2020. The prior era was before the faceoff man, before two way middies were commonplace and before the shot clock. Equally as important that era was before lacrosse had spread enough for teams that weren't Hopkins, Maryland, Syracuse, Virginia and a few others to recruit clearly superior talent. When you're looking at coaches the eras need to be separated and the fact is in this era Petro (and Desko too, who you also mentioned) is behind Danowski, Toomey, Tillman, Tiffany, Shea and maybe even a few more. There's really no good argument that Hopkins has been better the last 10 years than Maryland or Loyola. Is that good enough for Hopkins?

Ultimately Pietramala was living off of his run in the mid 2000s 12 years later. He had the 2015 final four, but again is one final four in almost 15 years what Hopkins wants? They still recruit at the level Maryland, Yale and Duke do, but they don't perform at that level on the field. At some point he had to be looked at and honestly for me this is the right time to move on.

That said I think the coaching candidates being floated are weak. Nadelen is probably the best, but I'm not sure how his style will translate and he's coming in off of a really shaky year at Towson. So I feel like it could look like this was a mistake early on. At some point I expect that will end though and that a different coach will have Hopkins back as a powerhouse.

Was Kyle Harrison a faceoff man during Hopkins’ last championship?

I don't know what you're trying to say exactly but that's kind of my point. Harrison took faceoffs while playing first line midfield and that doesn't happen anymore. The closest in recent years is Currier but Princeton had real FOGOs too. That's a huge change in strategy.

Key word, strategy.

It's coaches choice to

Also, this FOGO specialization talk is nonsense. Trevor Baptiste had 8 goals, 2 assists his senior year. Shot percentage similar to Cole Williams. Around .250 TD IRelan, 12 points last year,

How many points did Radebaugh have when winning every FO........such selective memories.

So, please define what you mean by two way middie ?

TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:42 pm

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:35 pm

TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:08 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:44 pm

TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:02 pm

LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:46 am To the alums that helped orchestrate this:

I hope you are confident in your search firm. There are exactly three (THREE!) current coaches with Petro’s resume (Danowski, Desko, and Tierney). Multiple national championships, multiple final fours, etc.

In 2009, there was a hall of fame coach with a similar resume as Petro. His team was “floundering” in the context of the standards set by his own success. Like Petro, this man was coaching at a prestigious academic institution and was revered there. He had a few years of not even making it to the quarterfinals or even out of the first round. He hadn’t won a championship in 8 years (gasp!). Recently he had suffered early round exits to lower seeded mid majors and squeaked out a one point win in what would have been the biggest upset in tournament history, only to lose to a lower seeded team in the next round.

Thankfully, Duke didn’t fire Coach K. He went on to win the national championship again in 2010 and 2015.

The grass isn’t always greener. I hope the alums and administration took a hard look in the mirror before concluding Petro was the problem. Did they consider that perhaps Petro was keeping the program afloat? That without him it would have been irrelevant? In the murder capital of the United States, an expensive liberal arts school with rigorous academics...perhaps Petro wasn’t doing a bad job. Maybe he was doing a great job and the program would have been far worse without him.

ps. I don’t know how much of this, if any, I actually believe. “The mark of an educated mind is the ability to entertain a thought without accepting it.” -Aristotle

The game from 1990 to 2009 is a completely different thing to the game from 2010-2020. The prior era was before the faceoff man, before two way middies were commonplace and before the shot clock. Equally as important that era was before lacrosse had spread enough for teams that weren't Hopkins, Maryland, Syracuse, Virginia and a few others to recruit clearly superior talent. When you're looking at coaches the eras need to be separated and the fact is in this era Petro (and Desko too, who you also mentioned) is behind Danowski, Toomey, Tillman, Tiffany, Shea and maybe even a few more. There's really no good argument that Hopkins has been better the last 10 years than Maryland or Loyola. Is that good enough for Hopkins?

Ultimately Pietramala was living off of his run in the mid 2000s 12 years later. He had the 2015 final four, but again is one final four in almost 15 years what Hopkins wants? They still recruit at the level Maryland, Yale and Duke do, but they don't perform at that level on the field. At some point he had to be looked at and honestly for me this is the right time to move on.

That said I think the coaching candidates being floated are weak. Nadelen is probably the best, but I'm not sure how his style will translate and he's coming in off of a really shaky year at Towson. So I feel like it could look like this was a mistake early on. At some point I expect that will end though and that a different coach will have Hopkins back as a powerhouse.

Was Kyle Harrison a faceoff man during Hopkins’ last championship?

I don't know what you're trying to say exactly but that's kind of my point. Harrison took faceoffs while playing first line midfield and that doesn't happen anymore. The closest in recent years is Currier but Princeton had real FOGOs too. That's a huge change in strategy.

Key word, strategy.

It's coaches choice to

Also, this FOGO specialization talk is nonsense. Trevor Baptiste had 8 goals, 2 assists his senior year. Shot percentage similar to Cole Williams. Around .250 TD IRelan, 12 points last year,

How many points did Radebaugh have when winning every FO........such selective memories.

So, please define what you mean by two way middie ?

Two way middie was meant separate of the faceoff stuff.

I'm with you, faceoffs are overhyped, but not having a FOGO and deliberately losing every one isn't the answer. So it has become a player you have to have and that wasn't totally true in the mid-2000s.

TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:42 pm

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:35 pm

TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:08 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:44 pm

TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:02 pm

LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:46 am To the alums that helped orchestrate this:

I hope you are confident in your search firm. There are exactly three (THREE!) current coaches with Petro’s resume (Danowski, Desko, and Tierney). Multiple national championships, multiple final fours, etc.

In 2009, there was a hall of fame coach with a similar resume as Petro. His team was “floundering” in the context of the standards set by his own success. Like Petro, this man was coaching at a prestigious academic institution and was revered there. He had a few years of not even making it to the quarterfinals or even out of the first round. He hadn’t won a championship in 8 years (gasp!). Recently he had suffered early round exits to lower seeded mid majors and squeaked out a one point win in what would have been the biggest upset in tournament history, only to lose to a lower seeded team in the next round.

Thankfully, Duke didn’t fire Coach K. He went on to win the national championship again in 2010 and 2015.

The grass isn’t always greener. I hope the alums and administration took a hard look in the mirror before concluding Petro was the problem. Did they consider that perhaps Petro was keeping the program afloat? That without him it would have been irrelevant? In the murder capital of the United States, an expensive liberal arts school with rigorous academics...perhaps Petro wasn’t doing a bad job. Maybe he was doing a great job and the program would have been far worse without him.

ps. I don’t know how much of this, if any, I actually believe. “The mark of an educated mind is the ability to entertain a thought without accepting it.” -Aristotle

The game from 1990 to 2009 is a completely different thing to the game from 2010-2020. The prior era was before the faceoff man, before two way middies were commonplace and before the shot clock. Equally as important that era was before lacrosse had spread enough for teams that weren't Hopkins, Maryland, Syracuse, Virginia and a few others to recruit clearly superior talent. When you're looking at coaches the eras need to be separated and the fact is in this era Petro (and Desko too, who you also mentioned) is behind Danowski, Toomey, Tillman, Tiffany, Shea and maybe even a few more. There's really no good argument that Hopkins has been better the last 10 years than Maryland or Loyola. Is that good enough for Hopkins?

Ultimately Pietramala was living off of his run in the mid 2000s 12 years later. He had the 2015 final four, but again is one final four in almost 15 years what Hopkins wants? They still recruit at the level Maryland, Yale and Duke do, but they don't perform at that level on the field. At some point he had to be looked at and honestly for me this is the right time to move on.

That said I think the coaching candidates being floated are weak. Nadelen is probably the best, but I'm not sure how his style will translate and he's coming in off of a really shaky year at Towson. So I feel like it could look like this was a mistake early on. At some point I expect that will end though and that a different coach will have Hopkins back as a powerhouse.

Was Kyle Harrison a faceoff man during Hopkins’ last championship?

I don't know what you're trying to say exactly but that's kind of my point. Harrison took faceoffs while playing first line midfield and that doesn't happen anymore. The closest in recent years is Currier but Princeton had real FOGOs too. That's a huge change in strategy.

Key word, strategy.

It's coaches choice to

Also, this FOGO specialization talk is nonsense. Trevor Baptiste had 8 goals, 2 assists his senior year. Shot percentage similar to Cole Williams. Around .250 TD IRelan, 12 points last year,

How many points did Radebaugh have when winning every FO........such selective memories.

So, please define what you mean by two way middie ?

Two way middie was meant separate of the faceoff stuff.

I'm with you, faceoffs are overhyped, but not having a FOGO and deliberately losing every one isn't the answer. So it has become a player you have to have and that wasn't totally true in the mid-2000s.

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LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:46 am To the alums that helped orchestrate this:

I hope you are confident in your search firm. There are exactly three (THREE!) current coaches with Petro’s resume (Danowski, Desko, and Tierney). Multiple national championships, multiple final fours, etc.

In 2009, there was a hall of fame coach with a similar resume as Petro. His team was “floundering” in the context of the standards set by his own success. Like Petro, this man was coaching at a prestigious academic institution and was revered there. He had a few years of not even making it to the quarterfinals or even out of the first round. He hadn’t won a championship in 8 years (gasp!). Recently he had suffered early round exits to lower seeded mid majors and squeaked out a one point win in what would have been the biggest upset in tournament history, only to lose to a lower seeded team in the next round.

Thankfully, Duke didn’t fire Coach K. He went on to win the national championship again in 2010 and 2015.

The grass isn’t always greener. I hope the alums and administration took a hard look in the mirror before concluding Petro was the problem. Did they consider that perhaps Petro was keeping the program afloat? That without him it would have been irrelevant? In the murder capital of the United States, an expensive liberal arts school with rigorous academics...perhaps Petro wasn’t doing a bad job. Maybe he was doing a great job and the program would have been far worse without him.

ps. I don’t know how much of this, if any, I actually believe. “The mark of an educated mind is the ability to entertain a thought without accepting it.” -Aristotle

The game from 1990 to 2009 is a completely different thing to the game from 2010-2020. The prior era was before the faceoff man, before two way middies were commonplace and before the shot clock. Equally as important that era was before lacrosse had spread enough for teams that weren't Hopkins, Maryland, Syracuse, Virginia and a few others to recruit clearly superior talent. When you're looking at coaches the eras need to be separated and the fact is in this era Petro (and Desko too, who you also mentioned) is behind Danowski, Toomey, Tillman, Tiffany, Shea and maybe even a few more. There's really no good argument that Hopkins has been better the last 10 years than Maryland or Loyola. Is that good enough for Hopkins?

Ultimately Pietramala was living off of his run in the mid 2000s 12 years later. He had the 2015 final four, but again is one final four in almost 15 years what Hopkins wants? They still recruit at the level Maryland, Yale and Duke do, but they don't perform at that level on the field. At some point he had to be looked at and honestly for me this is the right time to move on.

That said I think the coaching candidates being floated are weak. Nadelen is probably the best, but I'm not sure how his style will translate and he's coming in off of a really shaky year at Towson. So I feel like it could look like this was a mistake early on. At some point I expect that will end though and that a different coach will have Hopkins back as a powerhouse.

Was Kyle Harrison a faceoff man during Hopkins’ last championship?

I don't know what you're trying to say exactly but that's kind of my point. Harrison took faceoffs while playing first line midfield and that doesn't happen anymore. The closest in recent years is Currier but Princeton had real FOGOs too. That's a huge change in strategy.

Key word, strategy.

It's coaches choice to

Also, this FOGO specialization talk is nonsense. Trevor Baptiste had 8 goals, 2 assists his senior year. Shot percentage similar to Cole Williams. Around .250 TD IRelan, 12 points last year,

How many points did Radebaugh have when winning every FO........such selective memories.

So, please define what you mean by two way middie ?

Two way middie was meant separate of the faceoff stuff.

I'm with you, faceoffs are overhyped, but not having a FOGO and deliberately losing every one isn't the answer. So it has become a player you have to have and that wasn't totally true in the mid-2000s.

Either way, I'm putting my best LSM, preferably a lefty, facing up as a righty, but with the top hand in the lefty position......try it.

At the very least, you just stand up and already have your stick in a great position. Great, so what, you win easily, send it backwards....help your teams clearing game percentage. Meanwhile, the winning fogo team, you are subbing while our attack, and that great lsm, is riding the heck out of the defenseman. I'll take that strategy over this MAN against MAN mentality.

But, it's few....the rare ones, that really, really dominate to this level.

Sorry, if the opposing teams goalie is touching the ball, a few passes into a face off "win"'s possession........I, as the losing the F/O coach, will take that as a win. Make the entire opposing team be involved in it's offense. Work for it. Yale won, what, 75% of the draws? Well, how many resulted in an advantage, a fastbreak? THAT is the stat that matters. What, YOU guys don't keep that stat. Getting possession is only part of the story. Grabbing a gb, in your defensive end, isn't the same as a push, clamp, forward, off to the races. Unless, you think it is.