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BigTom4 wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 1:56 pm With the decision to provide all players with an extra year of eligibility and watching how the initial wave of the transfer portal played out, can you make a case for anyone BESIDES Duke at this point?

They offer the best business school programs willing to take students right out of undergrad while providing a legitimate shot at a national championship every single year. No one comes close to this offering for business minded transfers and it proved deadly with their first round of graduate transfers. This will not be a single year occurrence. Expect Duke to pick-off the top Ivy League seniors each and every year for the next three years as well.

Whether fair or not, this advantage is bound to throw off the competitive balance of Division 1 lacrosse. Combine that with top recruiting classes the next two years (including the unanimous number one recruits of 2020 and 2021) and it will be a tall task beating this squad in the near future. I would wager they win at least two of the next four NCs, with three being a real possibility.

WHOWHATWHERE wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 2:26 pm Admitted ND fan here. Surprised people are looking past their offseason
Gallagher- could be biggest impact of offseason (if you don’t have the ball you don’t score
Thornton- adds to deep def
Yorke

Return of Leonard, Kielty and McNamara.

One of the top ranked incoming classes (2020).

Do not know who else might be in pipeline from transfer portal but would not be surprised if they added 1 or 2 more.

BigTom4 wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 1:56 pm Whether fair or not, this advantage is bound to throw off the competitive balance of Division 1 lacrosse. Combine that with top recruiting classes the next two years (including the unanimous number one recruits of 2020 and 2021) and it will be a tall task beating this squad in the near future. I would wager they win at least two of the next four NCs, with three being a real possibility.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 8:56 am I think the Duke transfer thing is getting a bit overblown. Not like other teams weren't interested in Sowers. If UNC had won his services would we be talking about them forming an unstoppable juggernaut for the next decade? Duke just happened to win the sweepstakes. As far as Adler goes—Duke needed a goalie. Both of their guys were below 50% this year, and as the saying goes, if you have two goalies, you have no goalies. The FOGO transfer I can't quite reconcile—they already had a pretty good one with several years of eligibility left, in addition to a five-star recruit coming in at the position—but I don't think he really moves the needle either way. It's true that Duke's business school sets them up well in the transfer market but I'm not sure how likely it is that they have as much success in the offseasons to come as they did in this particular one. These things have a tendency to even themselves out. I agree with the notion that recruits might start looking the other way if there exists a perception that Dano is only interested in stacking his team with one-year mercenaries for the foreseeable future rather than investing in his young home-grown talent.

ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 10:31 am

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 8:56 am I think the Duke transfer thing is getting a bit overblown. Not like other teams weren't interested in Sowers. If UNC had won his services would we be talking about them forming an unstoppable juggernaut for the next decade? Duke just happened to win the sweepstakes. As far as Adler goes—Duke needed a goalie. Both of their guys were below 50% this year, and as the saying goes, if you have two goalies, you have no goalies. The FOGO transfer I can't quite reconcile—they already had a pretty good one with several years of eligibility left, in addition to a five-star recruit coming in at the position—but I don't think he really moves the needle either way. It's true that Duke's business school sets them up well in the transfer market but I'm not sure how likely it is that they have as much success in the offseasons to come as they did in this particular one. These things have a tendency to even themselves out. I agree with the notion that recruits might start looking the other way if there exists a perception that Dano is only interested in stacking his team with one-year mercenaries for the foreseeable future rather than investing in his young home-grown talent.

Also, I'm curious, what teams will have defenses that will match up well vs. Duke and some of the teams loading up on offensive players, like UVA and Maryland. JHU will be tough to stop with a healthy Epstein. There will be a lot of good teams next year, but Sowers is gone after that. Nothing is guaranteed with recruits.

BigTom4 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 3:37 pm

ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 10:31 am

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 8:56 am I think the Duke transfer thing is getting a bit overblown. Not like other teams weren't interested in Sowers. If UNC had won his services would we be talking about them forming an unstoppable juggernaut for the next decade? Duke just happened to win the sweepstakes. As far as Adler goes—Duke needed a goalie. Both of their guys were below 50% this year, and as the saying goes, if you have two goalies, you have no goalies. The FOGO transfer I can't quite reconcile—they already had a pretty good one with several years of eligibility left, in addition to a five-star recruit coming in at the position—but I don't think he really moves the needle either way. It's true that Duke's business school sets them up well in the transfer market but I'm not sure how likely it is that they have as much success in the offseasons to come as they did in this particular one. These things have a tendency to even themselves out. I agree with the notion that recruits might start looking the other way if there exists a perception that Dano is only interested in stacking his team with one-year mercenaries for the foreseeable future rather than investing in his young home-grown talent.

Also, I'm curious, what teams will have defenses that will match up well vs. Duke and some of the teams loading up on offensive players, like UVA and Maryland. JHU will be tough to stop with a healthy Epstein. There will be a lot of good teams next year, but Sowers is gone after that. Nothing is guaranteed with recruits.

Not saying it's guaranteed, just saying they are in the best position to pick off the top business minded Ivy League seniors for the next three years.

Could easily see someone like in Chris Fake 2021, Sam Handley in 2022, and Mike Long in 2023 making their way down to Durham for one last shot at a championship.

You are naive if you think this year will be an isolated event.

ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 8:10 am

WHOWHATWHERE wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 2:26 pm Admitted ND fan here. Surprised people are looking past their offseason
Gallagher- could be biggest impact of offseason (if you don’t have the ball you don’t score
Thornton- adds to deep def
Yorke

Return of Leonard, Kielty and McNamara.

One of the top ranked incoming classes (2020).

Do not know who else might be in pipeline from transfer portal but would not be surprised if they added 1 or 2 more.

I still think losing Byrne was really big and it may take them a while to come back from that.

BigTom4 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 3:37 pm

ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 10:31 am

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 8:56 am I think the Duke transfer thing is getting a bit overblown. Not like other teams weren't interested in Sowers. If UNC had won his services would we be talking about them forming an unstoppable juggernaut for the next decade? Duke just happened to win the sweepstakes. As far as Adler goes—Duke needed a goalie. Both of their guys were below 50% this year, and as the saying goes, if you have two goalies, you have no goalies. The FOGO transfer I can't quite reconcile—they already had a pretty good one with several years of eligibility left, in addition to a five-star recruit coming in at the position—but I don't think he really moves the needle either way. It's true that Duke's business school sets them up well in the transfer market but I'm not sure how likely it is that they have as much success in the offseasons to come as they did in this particular one. These things have a tendency to even themselves out. I agree with the notion that recruits might start looking the other way if there exists a perception that Dano is only interested in stacking his team with one-year mercenaries for the foreseeable future rather than investing in his young home-grown talent.

Also, I'm curious, what teams will have defenses that will match up well vs. Duke and some of the teams loading up on offensive players, like UVA and Maryland. JHU will be tough to stop with a healthy Epstein. There will be a lot of good teams next year, but Sowers is gone after that. Nothing is guaranteed with recruits.

Not saying it's guaranteed, just saying they are in the best position to pick off the top business minded Ivy League seniors for the next three years.

Could easily see someone like in Chris Fake 2021, Sam Handley in 2022, and Mike Long in 2023 making their way down to Durham for one last shot at a championship.

You are naive if you think this year will be an isolated event.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 11:55 pm

BigTom4 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 3:37 pm

ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 10:31 am

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 8:56 am I think the Duke transfer thing is getting a bit overblown. Not like other teams weren't interested in Sowers. If UNC had won his services would we be talking about them forming an unstoppable juggernaut for the next decade? Duke just happened to win the sweepstakes. As far as Adler goes—Duke needed a goalie. Both of their guys were below 50% this year, and as the saying goes, if you have two goalies, you have no goalies. The FOGO transfer I can't quite reconcile—they already had a pretty good one with several years of eligibility left, in addition to a five-star recruit coming in at the position—but I don't think he really moves the needle either way. It's true that Duke's business school sets them up well in the transfer market but I'm not sure how likely it is that they have as much success in the offseasons to come as they did in this particular one. These things have a tendency to even themselves out. I agree with the notion that recruits might start looking the other way if there exists a perception that Dano is only interested in stacking his team with one-year mercenaries for the foreseeable future rather than investing in his young home-grown talent.

Also, I'm curious, what teams will have defenses that will match up well vs. Duke and some of the teams loading up on offensive players, like UVA and Maryland. JHU will be tough to stop with a healthy Epstein. There will be a lot of good teams next year, but Sowers is gone after that. Nothing is guaranteed with recruits.

Not saying it's guaranteed, just saying they are in the best position to pick off the top business minded Ivy League seniors for the next three years.

Could easily see someone like in Chris Fake 2021, Sam Handley in 2022, and Mike Long in 2023 making their way down to Durham for one last shot at a championship.

You are naive if you think this year will be an isolated event.

as the poster above says, nd, uva and unc have similar programs. and they're all in the same conference.
personally, don't think even a sowers led duke is going to find the acc a walk in the park next year. or after.

BigTom4 wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 7:35 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 11:55 pm

BigTom4 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 3:37 pm

ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 10:31 am

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 8:56 am I think the Duke transfer thing is getting a bit overblown. Not like other teams weren't interested in Sowers. If UNC had won his services would we be talking about them forming an unstoppable juggernaut for the next decade? Duke just happened to win the sweepstakes. As far as Adler goes—Duke needed a goalie. Both of their guys were below 50% this year, and as the saying goes, if you have two goalies, you have no goalies. The FOGO transfer I can't quite reconcile—they already had a pretty good one with several years of eligibility left, in addition to a five-star recruit coming in at the position—but I don't think he really moves the needle either way. It's true that Duke's business school sets them up well in the transfer market but I'm not sure how likely it is that they have as much success in the offseasons to come as they did in this particular one. These things have a tendency to even themselves out. I agree with the notion that recruits might start looking the other way if there exists a perception that Dano is only interested in stacking his team with one-year mercenaries for the foreseeable future rather than investing in his young home-grown talent.

Also, I'm curious, what teams will have defenses that will match up well vs. Duke and some of the teams loading up on offensive players, like UVA and Maryland. JHU will be tough to stop with a healthy Epstein. There will be a lot of good teams next year, but Sowers is gone after that. Nothing is guaranteed with recruits.

Not saying it's guaranteed, just saying they are in the best position to pick off the top business minded Ivy League seniors for the next three years.

Could easily see someone like in Chris Fake 2021, Sam Handley in 2022, and Mike Long in 2023 making their way down to Durham for one last shot at a championship.

You are naive if you think this year will be an isolated event.

as the poster above says, nd, uva and unc have similar programs. and they're all in the same conference.
personally, don't think even a sowers led duke is going to find the acc a walk in the park next year. or after.

They aren't similar programs, that is the point.

ND's b school is barely breaking the top 30 while Duke is top 15. (Plus you get better weather while avoiding getting yelled at by Corrigan )

UVA has the best b school of the bunch, but they won't take students straight out of undergrad, so its not an option for 5th years.

UNC is probably the closest comparable, but they haven't shown the same willingness to let waves of 5th year lacrosse players in.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 8:52 am
no one in the acc is scared of duke.

BigTom4 wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 7:35 am UNC is probably the closest comparable, but they haven't shown the same willingness to let waves of 5th year lacrosse players in.