SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 10:24 am
Good luck to Idaho women. Two of eleven maternal-fetal specialists have already left and according to one of those, five of the remaining nine are soon to follow:
“Back in Idaho, Miller says five of the nine remaining full-time maternal-fetal medicine physicians in the state will have left by the end of this year.”
SO that means they only were only staying for the money in abortions?
YA, as I mentioned in a post yesterday, you've got to expand what you look at when you're on-line - especially if you believe a particular article or video might be wrong. If you had for this particular post, you'd have found numerous articles and videos that mention the specific reason for these doctors leaving is because they don't want to have the high probability that some Idaho prosecutor will prosecute them for performing some mom's-life saving or uterus saving procedure (e.g. D&C) that the Idaho elected officials have, in their infinite wisdom, determined is an abortion procedure.
But you might have already known that and your comment was just made to be a sarcastic smart-a.
On a technical matter a D&C can hardly be considered an abortion. The fetus is already deceased and it becomes necessary for the mothers health to remove it from the uterus. I have no idea how this procedure is considered an abortion.
Wife had a miscarriage on an unplanned Third (right after I quit a job in 2016). We elected not to have the dead thing removed as it will come naturally though that s**t is harrowing to see-I had to deal with it first hand a week or two later after if was gone (we’re talking no heartbeat in second ultrasound, heartbeat was in the 80s BPM in first one and they didn’t at much but seemed like everyone knew but didn’t want to
Confirm until we came back). So in certain cases it may be a health issue but we were advised that it generally isn’t one.
... if it is early weeks (first trimester - roughly) it is in most cases not necessary. Still it is recommended as a prophylactic to put the issue to bed while a physician is present. It is STANDARD OF CARE to have a D&C, most insurance companies cover it at all times.
Very much early, first ultrasound, can’t recall maybe 4-8 weeks. We actually have/had pretty good coverage but it wasn’t covered or fully covered I recall. Wasn’t a money decision we just wanted to get out of the drs office at that point I think. They didn’t push it or suggest there was anything meaningful health risk to us. This is about 6-7 yrs ago now as the kids were in the 1-4 range. Don’t think we had bad care but that was the experience.
... like I said in that time frame the probability of complications is very low. We had a D&C when my wife lost one after two months. I don't recall whether she was given a choice or not. First pregnancy - probability of losing fetus goes way up.
It is definitely a traumatic experience for most couples.
Without the traditional adjective laden verbose colorful description FFG occasionally employs, let me just say I saw it in the toilet and had to flush it as my wife is sobbing. Go with the D&C!
We had our first two “clean” ironically, if you could call them issues, the boy was sideways coming out so we pulled it one week before schedule and couldn’t do natural birth and because the first was C section they refused (pretty much) to do the second natural which came two weeks ahead of calendar due to lower fluids but both came out 7-9lbs and otherwise fine. It was that one that didn’t work out.
Sorry you and your wife were placed in that situation, FFG. My ex dropped clots during week 8 of her first pregnancy and until we were able to see her Ob-Gyn we were devastated thinking she had lost the baby. Fortunately he's now a terrific 38 year old with a family of his own.
To circle back to the thread's topic: Now imagine that every woman, and in fact every couple, in Idaho and other states with these archaic laws now has to go through that same emotional situation you did because their physician is fearful that someone who has no business sticking their nose into that couple's situation has defined the use of a medically justified D&C is an abortion. Insanity.
SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 10:24 am
Good luck to Idaho women. Two of eleven maternal-fetal specialists have already left and according to one of those, five of the remaining nine are soon to follow:
“Back in Idaho, Miller says five of the nine remaining full-time maternal-fetal medicine physicians in the state will have left by the end of this year.”
SO that means they only were only staying for the money in abortions?
YA, as I mentioned in a post yesterday, you've got to expand what you look at when you're on-line - especially if you believe a particular article or video might be wrong. If you had for this particular post, you'd have found numerous articles and videos that mention the specific reason for these doctors leaving is because they don't want to have the high probability that some Idaho prosecutor will prosecute them for performing some mom's-life saving or uterus saving procedure (e.g. D&C) that the Idaho elected officials have, in their infinite wisdom, determined is an abortion procedure.
But you might have already known that and your comment was just made to be a sarcastic smart-a.
On a technical matter a D&C can hardly be considered an abortion. The fetus is already deceased and it becomes necessary for the mothers health to remove it from the uterus. I have no idea how this procedure is considered an abortion.
Wife had a miscarriage on an unplanned Third (right after I quit a job in 2016). We elected not to have the dead thing removed as it will come naturally though that s**t is harrowing to see-I had to deal with it first hand a week or two later after if was gone (we’re talking no heartbeat in second ultrasound, heartbeat was in the 80s BPM in first one and they didn’t at much but seemed like everyone knew but didn’t want to
Confirm until we came back). So in certain cases it may be a health issue but we were advised that it generally isn’t one.
... if it is early weeks (first trimester - roughly) it is in most cases not necessary. Still it is recommended as a prophylactic to put the issue to bed while a physician is present. It is STANDARD OF CARE to have a D&C, most insurance companies cover it at all times.
Very much early, first ultrasound, can’t recall maybe 4-8 weeks. We actually have/had pretty good coverage but it wasn’t covered or fully covered I recall. Wasn’t a money decision we just wanted to get out of the drs office at that point I think. They didn’t push it or suggest there was anything meaningful health risk to us. This is about 6-7 yrs ago now as the kids were in the 1-4 range. Don’t think we had bad care but that was the experience.
... like I said in that time frame the probability of complications is very low. We had a D&C when my wife lost one after two months. I don't recall whether she was given a choice or not. First pregnancy - probability of losing fetus goes way up.
It is definitely a traumatic experience for most couples.
Without the traditional adjective laden verbose colorful description FFG occasionally employs, let me just say I saw it in the toilet and had to flush it as my wife is sobbing. Go with the D&C!
We had our first two “clean” ironically, if you could call them issues, the boy was sideways coming out so we pulled it one week before schedule and couldn’t do natural birth and because the first was C section they refused (pretty much) to do the second natural which came two weeks ahead of calendar due to lower fluids but both came out 7-9lbs and otherwise fine. It was that one that didn’t work out.
Sorry you and your wife were placed in that situation, FFG. My ex dropped clots during week 8 of her first pregnancy and until we were able to see her Ob-Gyn we were devastated thinking she had lost the baby. Fortunately he's now a terrific 38 year old with a family of his own.
To circle back to the thread's topic: Now imagine that every woman, and in fact every couple, in Idaho and other states with these archaic laws now has to go through that same emotional situation you did because their physician is fearful that someone who has no business sticking their nose into that couple's situation has defined the use of a medically justified D&C is an abortion. Insanity.
Yeah I’ve never been an anti-abortion person, just know what the uglier side of it looks like. And seeing what started and stopped up close is not fun. I find this whole debate over controlling a persons choices in this very specific framework or circumstance (women/pregnancy) to be absurd. Everyone should be able to make their own choice. It’s a joke regardless of religious beliefs, if those are even the motivating factor half the time or not.
Sister struggled having their first. Second came easier. I’m glad you guys got through it of course as well.
Re: The Abortion Thread
Posted: Wed May 17, 2023 10:02 pm
by PizzaSnake
Well. Here's quite a statement. Putting their money where their mouth is, so to speak.
"
In January, as a 28th birthday present to herself, Mariah Marsh got herself sterilized.
Five months later, she says she’s very glad she did.
On Wednesday, a panel of federal judges in New Orleans will consider whether a drug used in medication abortions should be taken off the market. More than half of all abortions in the US use the drug, called mifepristone, in combination with another pill called misoprostol.
Marsh has known since she was a teenager that she doesn’t want children. A few years ago, a diagnosis of myasthenia gravis, a neuromuscular disease that can make pregnancy risky, further solidified her decision.
She wasn’t in a rush to get sterilized until June, when the US Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, ending the federal right to an abortion."
Guess she wasn't going to FAFO exactly how fcuking crazy things have gotten.
But I'm sure that the next prohibition will be for voluntary sterilization...
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank The Republic Party for totally fcuking this country up. Well done!! Bravissimo!!
Re: The Abortion Thread
Posted: Wed May 17, 2023 10:06 pm
by JoeMauer89
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 10:02 pm
Well. Here's quite a statement. Putting their money where their mouth is, so to speak.
"
In January, as a 28th birthday present to herself, Mariah Marsh got herself sterilized.
Five months later, she says she’s very glad she did.
On Wednesday, a panel of federal judges in New Orleans will consider whether a drug used in medication abortions should be taken off the market. More than half of all abortions in the US use the drug, called mifepristone, in combination with another pill called misoprostol.
Marsh has known since she was a teenager that she doesn’t want children. A few years ago, a diagnosis of myasthenia gravis, a neuromuscular disease that can make pregnancy risky, further solidified her decision.
She wasn’t in a rush to get sterilized until June, when the US Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, ending the federal right to an abortion."
Guess she wasn't going to FAFO exactly how fcuking crazy things have gotten.
But I'm sure that the next prohibition will be for voluntary sterilization...
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank The Republic Party for totally fcuking this country up. Well done!! Bravissimo!!
Ascetic, to the utmost degree.
Joe
Re: The Abortion Thread
Posted: Wed May 17, 2023 10:22 pm
by NattyBohChamps04
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 10:02 pmBut I'm sure that the next prohibition will be for voluntary sterilization...
Oh man. If you have a chat with an average woman who has gotten her tubes tied, it sounds like a nightmare of hoops to jump through. Many that aren't even on the books regulations. It's already tough to do.
Of course, the US also has a pretty horrific history of forced sterilizations on all kinds of women. But certain groups more than others.
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 10:02 pmBut I'm sure that the next prohibition will be for voluntary sterilization...
Oh man. If you have a chat with an average woman who has gotten her tubes tied, it sounds like a nightmare of hoops to jump through. Many that aren't even on the books regulations. It's already tough to do.
Of course, the US also has a pretty horrific history of forced sterilizations on all kinds of women. But certain groups more than others.
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 10:02 pmBut I'm sure that the next prohibition will be for voluntary sterilization...
Oh man. If you have a chat with an average woman who has gotten her tubes tied, it sounds like a nightmare of hoops to jump through. Many that aren't even on the books regulations. It's already tough to do.
Of course, the US also has a pretty horrific history of forced sterilizations on all kinds of women. But certain groups more than others.
... men as well.
My best friend did it voluntarily a year or two ago. Not totally sure why others than he has a daughter in college from his first wife and two that are early middle school with current but it’s not like he’s rocking 16 and Mormon or whatever the reality show is. He gave me a reason but it’s possible he just prefers “raw dogging it”
Re: The Abortion Thread
Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 4:29 pm
by DMac
Did it after the third one was born, definitely wasn't planned.
Eliminates any concerns, safe and simple procedure.
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 10:02 pmBut I'm sure that the next prohibition will be for voluntary sterilization...
Oh man. If you have a chat with an average woman who has gotten her tubes tied, it sounds like a nightmare of hoops to jump through. Many that aren't even on the books regulations. It's already tough to do.
Of course, the US also has a pretty horrific history of forced sterilizations on all kinds of women. But certain groups more than others.
Not that hard. Even military medicine does it. A surprising number of female sailors & spouses elect to get it done.
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 10:02 pmBut I'm sure that the next prohibition will be for voluntary sterilization...
Oh man. If you have a chat with an average woman who has gotten her tubes tied, it sounds like a nightmare of hoops to jump through. Many that aren't even on the books regulations. It's already tough to do.
Of course, the US also has a pretty horrific history of forced sterilizations on all kinds of women. But certain groups more than others.
Not that hard. Even military medicine does it. A surprising number of female sailors & spouses elect to get it done.
Some “red”, “pro-gestation” states are about at the FO part of FAFO as the military begins to uncheck the adequate medical care check box in basing determinations. For example, Tali-bama and the Space Command.
On a related FAFO note, Floriduh just lost $1B Disney expansion. I pity the poor, benighted fools who bought into DeSantis’ electioneering. He’ll be gone, and they’ll still be fcuked.
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 10:02 pmBut I'm sure that the next prohibition will be for voluntary sterilization...
Oh man. If you have a chat with an average woman who has gotten her tubes tied, it sounds like a nightmare of hoops to jump through. Many that aren't even on the books regulations. It's already tough to do.
Of course, the US also has a pretty horrific history of forced sterilizations on all kinds of women. But certain groups more than others.
Not that hard. Even military medicine does it. A surprising number of female sailors & spouses elect to get it done.
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 10:02 pmBut I'm sure that the next prohibition will be for voluntary sterilization...
Oh man. If you have a chat with an average woman who has gotten her tubes tied, it sounds like a nightmare of hoops to jump through. Many that aren't even on the books regulations. It's already tough to do.
Of course, the US also has a pretty horrific history of forced sterilizations on all kinds of women. But certain groups more than others.
Not that hard. Even military medicine does it. A surprising number of female sailors & spouses elect to get it done.
Some “red”, “pro-gestation” states are about at the FO part of FAFO as the military begins to uncheck the adequate medical care check box in basing determinations. For example, Tali-bama and the Space Command.
On a related FAFO note, Floriduh just lost $1B Disney expansion. I pity the poor, benighted fools who bought into DeSantis’ electioneering. He’ll be gone, and they’ll still be fcuked.
The IBanking mantra early mid 2000s - IBGYBG
“I’ll Be Gone You’ll Be Gone”
Re: The Abortion Thread
Posted: Tue May 23, 2023 1:24 pm
by OCanada
Meanwhile, apologize if this repeats, a majority of med students report they will not practice in states limiting abortion. Said states are already bottom dwellers for healthcare. Senator Mennedy of LA said their numbers for infant mortality woukd not look so bad is it were not for black people.
Re: The Abortion Thread
Posted: Tue May 23, 2023 2:38 pm
by PizzaSnake
OCanada wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 1:24 pm
Meanwhile, apologize if this repeats, a majority of med students report they will not practice in states limiting abortion. Said states are already bottom dwellers for healthcare. Senator Mennedy of LA said their numbers for infant mortality woukd not look so bad is it were not for black people.
Went ahead and said the quiet part out loud…
On the positive side, at least they’re admitting we suspected all along.
Re: The Abortion Thread
Posted: Tue May 23, 2023 6:38 pm
by Farfromgeneva
Anyone see the coat hangar scene in Yellowjackets?
Re: The Abortion Thread
Posted: Tue May 23, 2023 9:37 pm
by PizzaSnake
Get back to work, peasant!!
““On the fifth day in the hospital, while using the bathroom, my son started to enter the birth canal,” Hogan said. “I was rushed to labor and delivery where I gave birth to him stillborn.”
The next morning she was discharged, and told she could return to work the next day, “as if nothing had happened,” Hogan said.”
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 9:37 pm
Get back to work, peasant!!
““On the fifth day in the hospital, while using the bathroom, my son started to enter the birth canal,” Hogan said. “I was rushed to labor and delivery where I gave birth to him stillborn.”
The next morning she was discharged, and told she could return to work the next day, “as if nothing had happened,” Hogan said.”
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 9:37 pm
Get back to work, peasant!!
““On the fifth day in the hospital, while using the bathroom, my son started to enter the birth canal,” Hogan said. “I was rushed to labor and delivery where I gave birth to him stillborn.”
The next morning she was discharged, and told she could return to work the next day, “as if nothing had happened,” Hogan said.”
