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Re: IMPEACHMENT ... Constitutional method to vacate an election
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:33 pm
by ggait
Hey Judge Howell -- tell us what your really think:
"Even in cases of presidential impeachment, a House resolution has never, in fact, been required to begin an impeachment inquiry."
"The Speaker of the House of Representatives has announced an official impeachment inquiry, and the House Judiciary Committee(“HJC”), in exercising Congress’s “sole Power of Impeachment,”U.S.CONST.art. I, § 2, cl.5, is reviewing the evidence set out in the Mueller Report."
"The reasoning for the purported "House must vote rule" is fatally flawed. The precedential support cited [by DOJ] for the “House resolution” test is cherry-picked and incomplete, and more significantly, this test has no textual support in the U.S. Constitution, the governing rules of the House, or Rule 6(e), as interpreted in binding decisions."
"[DOJ's] arguments smack of farce. The reality is that DOJ and the White House have been openly stonewalling the House’s efforts to get information by subpoena and by agreement, and the White House has flatly stated that the Administration will not cooperate with congressional requests for information. See Letter from Pat A. Cipollone, Counsel to the President, to Representative Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House, et al. (Oct. 8, 2019)."
"The White House’s stated policy of non-cooperation with the impeachment inquiry weighs heavily in favor of disclosure. Congress’s need to access grand jury material relevant to potential impeachable conduct by a President is heightened when the Executive Branch willfully obstructs channels for accessing other relevant evidence."
Re: IMPEACHMENT ... Constitutional method to vacate an election
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:36 pm
by foreverlax
ggait wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 3:54 pm
Snippet from Howell's opinion:
"Even in cases of presidential impeachment, a House resolution has never, in fact, been required to begin an impeachment inquiry."
Freakin Obama appointee using those pesky facts again.
Re: IMPEACHMENT ... Gather evidence steadily, go to trial in the Senate.
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:44 pm
by wahoomurf
CU88 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:56 am
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:11 am
CU88 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:46 am
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:14 am
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:28 pm
In your non-judicial impeachment proceedings, are documents with cell phone shadows admissible, or is that the equivalent of a notary stamp ?
The newest old standard was sentence first, trial second. Now it's sentence first, no trial at all. Salem witch trials back in vogue! If you hate the defendant enough, isn't that all that's needed? (John Jay, Eral Warren or Charles Evan Hughes? I remember that brilliant quote but forget who said it).
Rules be Rules, unless?
https://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-judge ... ed-1467485
If something has to be stated as a rule, it's something that's not absolutely necessary but rather preferable, like if you limit bathroom breaks, employees work harder...
Posted twice because it was so meaningful??
This is disgraceful political theater. 47 Republicans sit on those Committees and attend the investigative hearings. A number of them were part of " storming" the hearing that they had free access to.
Thug move
I heard an unfounded rumor that because of IMMENSE, VERY BIG, the ENORMOUS success of the Staircase Brother's Civil Disobedience, they're taking their act on the road. They plan on assembling en masse at Congressman Elijah Cummings's Funeral, GOD REST HIS SOUl, and pee on the hearse that will carry Mr.Cummings to his rest. Wonder if they'll bring Pizza and their cell phones?
Gaetz, Scalise, Jordan-Hastert and Mighty Mac want to send a warning to any uppity Republican Congressperson to THINK TWICE about following the precedent set that turncoat Mark Meadows.
URINE OR YOUR OUT!
Re: IMPEACHMENT ... Constitutional method to vacate an election
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:12 pm
by CU88
Friends of Rudy Colludy getting the door of their personal safe blown off by the Feds!
Feds blow door off safe, issue subpoenas as probe into Giuliani associates escalates
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/25/politics ... index.html
Re: IMPEACHMENT ... Constitutional method to vacate an election
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:18 pm
by njbill
Never a good sign when the feds blow the door off your safe.
Re: IMPEACHMENT ... Constitutional method to vacate an election
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:33 pm
by tech37
seacoaster wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:15 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:00 pm
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:49 pm
5. America is unequaled in the history of the world and shall stay that way provided we keep tax rates low (long theory to write up here)
6. Global warming is a mixed bag of well-meaning folks concerned with the environment, and
not-well-meaning socialists
So what you're saying here is:
1. You want taxpayers to continue to pay for your expensive socialized industry (Government owns and operates airports, security, safety protocols)
2. You want to keep taxes low so that we have to borrow the money to keep your business literally in the air.
That about square it? I'd agree with you personal points here. That's a sweet deal for you. For businesses like mine, not so much.
Enjoy my money, I guess.
Can we go back and talk about impeachment on this thread, and use other threads for discussions that are relevant there? I understand the way we post often slides sideways, but this PB-specific discussion has gone on a while here.
seacoaster is still nervous
Re: IMPEACHMENT ... Gather evidence steadily, go to trial in the Senate.
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:35 pm
by tech37
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:22 am
a fan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:32 pm
This is the silly game you play.
If I try and read into your posts, and infer meaning other than literal, you jump all over me, and say "Oh, I never said that, you're building a strawman".
And now here you are, urging me to do just that. You're asking me to understand you thought by reading things into your posts that aren't there.
So here's your chance to get what want. Do you want me to take your posts literally, or do you want me to read into them and guess at your thoughts?
Your choice, I don't care which. Pick one, and be done with it.
Or, better yet, stop complaining because I can't read your mind.
And once you've made your choice, you don't get to shift between demanding I take your posts literally and not build strawmen, and demanding---as you just did----that I DON'T take you literally, and guess at what you are implying.
No game "dude"...here's a novel idea...if you care and if you're not sure what I mean by a post, try asking politely what is meant instead of replying with a snarky interpretation/misrepresentation or strawman argument? That's another option so it's actually your choice.
Re: IMPEACHMENT ... Constitutional method to vacate an election
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:58 pm
by seacoaster
Judge’s Order releasing to Congress the unredacted Mueller Report:
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper ... are#page=1
Re: IMPEACHMENT ... Constitutional method to vacate an election
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:18 pm
by njbill
Interesting statement by the court on page 13: The OLC Opinion that a sitting president is not subject to indictment or criminal prosecution “has never been adopted, sanctioned, or in any way approved by a court.”
Re: IMPEACHMENT ... Constitutional method to vacate an election
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:46 pm
by LandM
Rumor on the street is there is an election. Get over it boys. Vote
some of you guys are worse then a coffee klatch group
Re: IMPEACHMENT ... Constitutional method to vacate an election
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:53 pm
by MDlaxfan76
LandM wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:46 pm
Rumor on the street is there is an election. Get over it boys. Vote
some of you guys are worse then a coffee klatch group
Buckle up, LandM.
It's gonna get a whole lot more painful for any Trump apologists.
And, hey, did you hear that there's an election coming up?
Get over it.
Re: IMPEACHMENT ... Constitutional method to vacate an election
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:54 pm
by MDlaxfan76
njbill wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:18 pm
Interesting statement by the court on page 13: The OLC Opinion that a sitting president is not subject to indictment or criminal prosecution “has never been adopted, sanctioned, or in any way approved by a court.”
geez, that branch of the "Deep State" keeps ruling against Trumpist authoritarian over reach.
Re: IMPEACHMENT ... Constitutional method to vacate an election
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:01 pm
by youthathletics
Where is John Brennan?
Re: IMPEACHMENT ... Constitutional method to vacate an election
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:10 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
Re: IMPEACHMENT ... Constitutional method to vacate an election
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:14 pm
by youthathletics
Thanks. I saw that, but figured any link posted would just be dispelled as partisan. That guy reminds me of the one parent on every lax team that has done it all and knows everything, just seems shady....kinda like Trump.
Re: IMPEACHMENT ... Constitutional method to vacate an election
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:28 pm
by youthathletics
Latest....
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/sta ... 37987?s=21
Democrats just announced that they no longer want the Whistleblower to testify. But everything was about the Whistleblower (they no longer want the second Whistleblower either), which they don’t want because the account of my call bore NO RELATIONSHIP to the call itself.....
Re: IMPEACHMENT ... Constitutional method to vacate an election
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:45 pm
by jhu72
youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:28 pm
Latest....
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/sta ... 37987?s=21
Democrats just announced that they no longer want the Whistleblower to testify. But everything was about the Whistleblower (they no longer want the second Whistleblower either), which they don’t want because the account of my call bore NO RELATIONSHIP to the call itself.....
consider the source
The complaint was he only had second hand information. Now the dems are going to present witnesses with first hand information AND THIS IS THE PROBLEM.
Re: IMPEACHMENT ... Constitutional method to vacate an election
Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:58 pm
by a fan
LandM wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:46 pm
Rumor on the street is there is an election. Get over it boys. Vote
some of you guys are worse then a coffee klatch group
I take it this means you were upset Nixon was impeached. DoI have that right?
Re: IMPEACHMENT ... Constitutional method to vacate an election
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 2:34 am
by LandM
MD and Afan
Nope and Nope. Nixon got what he deserved. The Russians have been messing around for a long time, I am stunned that well educated people such as yourselves are still harping on this. Guess what the Russians are laughing at you guys. Ukraine is a pi$$ poor country that means nothing to me BUT some how instead of going west young man to find gold everyone seems to have gone there......
Unfortunately when he wins again who is to blame - grab a mirror because the bit$ching by the really smart people will get him re-elected - get out of your safe space and see the country.
Re: IMPEACHMENT ... Constitutional method to vacate an election
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 2:37 am
by a fan
a fan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:58 pm
LandM wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:46 pm
Rumor on the street is there is an election. Get over it boys. Vote
some of you guys are worse then a coffee klatch group
I take it this means you were upset Nixon was impeached. DoI have that right?
You're not being consistent, then. All Americans had to do is let Nixon do his thing, and wait for the 76 election....just as you are counseling that we do here with Trump.