Conservative Ideology 2024: NOTHING BUT LIES AND FEARMONGERING

[jhu72]

Troll.

Let’s fix bridges and healthcare and get back to minding our own GD business about what people do in their private lives. Like conservatives used to do.

And stop the performance Christianity like McMorrow said. Maybe then I’ll return to the Republican Party.

... there is no longer a republican party. It is a performance art troupe.

[jhu72]

No surprise here, r is upset that the courts are seeking to confirm our laws and she is attacking non-white elected officials

https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status ... 0439064578

... the look on Tucker Carlson's face .

[Peter Brown]

Troll.

Let’s fix bridges and healthcare and get back to minding our own GD business about what people do in their private lives. Like conservatives used to do.

And stop the performance Christianity like McMorrow said. Maybe then I’ll return to the Republican Party.

... there is no longer a republican party. It is a performance art troupe.

That ‘no longer a Republican Party’ party is about to sweep nearly any election across America this November 8. An historic rout.

My guess is there will be absolutely zero self-reflection by the losers afterward.

[NattyBohChamps04]

Since R's are going to have a historic Red Wave in November, I wonder what their actual policies are going to be on certain things?


We already have Republican solutions to the following as they've taken up page after page of the forums for months:

Teaching American History surrounding slavery and racism
Letting kids know there are gay people in the world
Mr. and Mrs. Potato Head being sold under the "Potato Head" brand now, with Mr. Potato Head still being sold
Access to abortions in the case of incest or rape
Disney World supporting LGBTQ people
Unsexy green M&Ms
The small handful of trans women competing in women's sports



What are R's policies surrounding:

Ukraine issues
Inflation and high gas prices
High healthcare costs
Wrapping up the COVID pandemic
Russian meddling in our politics
High insulin costs
Ultra wealthy paying little to no taxes as a percentage of their income vs. the middle and working class
Climate change
Poverty
Limiting insider trading and single stock trading in congress
Rising violent crime due to the opioid epidemic and the COVID Pandemic
Taiwan
Congressional term limits and staff term limits
SCOTUS term limits
Campaign finance reform
Infrastructure



and other more pressing issues we face today? Interested in getting to the meat and potatoes.

[JoeMauer89]

Since R's are going to have a historic Red Wave in November, I wonder what their actual policies are going to be on certain things?


We already have Republican solutions to the following as they've taken up page after page of the forums for months:

Teaching American History surrounding slavery and racism
Letting kids know there are gay people in the world
Mr. and Mrs. Potato Head being sold under the "Potato Head" brand now, with Mr. Potato Head still being sold
Access to abortions in the case of incest or rape
Disney World supporting LGBTQ people
Unsexy green M&Ms
The small handful of trans women competing in women's sports



What are R's policies surrounding:

Ukraine issues
Inflation and high gas prices
High healthcare costs
Wrapping up the COVID pandemic
Russian meddling in our politics
High insulin costs
Ultra wealthy paying little to no taxes as a percentage of their income vs. the middle and working class
Climate change
Poverty
Limiting insider trading and single stock trading in congress
Rising violent crime due to the opioid epidemic and the COVID Pandemic
Taiwan



and other more pressing issues we face today? Interested in getting to the meat and potatoes.

Since this is directed at only one poster, are you really interested in that? Or are you simple just interested in "owning" one poster whose views don't coincide with those of your own? I'm very curious...

Joe

[Peter Brown]

Since R's are going to have a historic Red Wave in November, I wonder what their actual policies are going to be on certain things?


We already have Republican solutions to the following as they've taken up page after page of the forums for months:

Teaching American History surrounding slavery and racism
Letting kids know there are gay people in the world
Mr. and Mrs. Potato Head being sold under the "Potato Head" brand now, with Mr. Potato Head still being sold
Access to abortions in the case of incest or rape
Disney World supporting LGBTQ people
Unsexy green M&Ms
The small handful of trans women competing in women's sports



What are R's policies surrounding:

Ukraine issues

“Pro Ukraine”

Inflation and high gas prices

“Certify Keystone; approve new drilling permits; stool printing money”

High healthcare costs

“In favor of a basic universal healthcare model, complemented by a private alternative for those who wish to pay”

Wrapping up the COVID pandemic

“It’s ending in the sense that we have better therapeutics”

Russian meddling in our politics

“Versus Chinese meddling? Just keep up efforts to limit it”

High insulin costs

“Don’t know enough but I’m not happy the prices are high”

Ultra wealthy paying little to no taxes as a percentage of their income vs. the middle and working class

“Flat tax with no deductions”

Climate change

“Keep studying the issue but don’t change any policy, yet. I’ll reserve the right to vote for change if i see significant permanent man made change”

Poverty

“Complex issue. Many folks on poverty aren’t easily helped. Prioritize the pride of a job”

Limiting insider trading and single stock trading in congress

“Couldn’t agree more.”

Rising violent crime due to the opioid epidemic and the COVID Pandemic

“Crime has risen for far more reasons than Covid and opioids. But there are two issues here: our prison industrial complex and avisuve prosecutions, then progressive DA’s who can’t distinguish violent versus nonviolent crime”

Taiwan

“Complicated…not easily reduced to this site”

Congressional term limits and staff term limits

“Agreed”

SCOTUS term limits

“Agreed. 20 years”

Campaign finance reform

“Unnecessary”

Infrastructure

“Needed. Better leadership would highlight real accomplishments”



and other more pressing issues we face today? Interested in getting to the meat and potatoes.

Answered after each

[NattyBohChamps04]

Since R's are going to have a historic Red Wave in November, I wonder what their actual policies are going to be on certain things?


We already have Republican solutions to the following as they've taken up page after page of the forums for months:

Teaching American History surrounding slavery and racism
Letting kids know there are gay people in the world
Mr. and Mrs. Potato Head being sold under the "Potato Head" brand now, with Mr. Potato Head still being sold
Access to abortions in the case of incest or rape
Disney World supporting LGBTQ people
Unsexy green M&Ms
The small handful of trans women competing in women's sports



What are R's policies surrounding:

Ukraine issues
Inflation and high gas prices
High healthcare costs
Wrapping up the COVID pandemic
Russian meddling in our politics
High insulin costs
Ultra wealthy paying little to no taxes as a percentage of their income vs. the middle and working class
Climate change
Poverty
Limiting insider trading and single stock trading in congress
Rising violent crime due to the opioid epidemic and the COVID Pandemic
Taiwan



and other more pressing issues we face today? Interested in getting to the meat and potatoes.

Since this is directed at only one poster, are you really interested in that? Or are you simple just interested in "owning" one poster whose views don't coincide with those of your own? I'm very curious...

Joe

Why was this directed at only one poster? I didn't quote anyone or mention anyone by name. I'm tired of the BS fake culture war talk and was interested in actual policies moving forward.

You seem very interested in how people react to one another here and talk to one another rather than discussing the actual policies.

[JoeMauer89]

Since R's are going to have a historic Red Wave in November, I wonder what their actual policies are going to be on certain things?


We already have Republican solutions to the following as they've taken up page after page of the forums for months:

Teaching American History surrounding slavery and racism
Letting kids know there are gay people in the world
Mr. and Mrs. Potato Head being sold under the "Potato Head" brand now, with Mr. Potato Head still being sold
Access to abortions in the case of incest or rape
Disney World supporting LGBTQ people
Unsexy green M&Ms
The small handful of trans women competing in women's sports



What are R's policies surrounding:

Ukraine issues
Inflation and high gas prices
High healthcare costs
Wrapping up the COVID pandemic
Russian meddling in our politics
High insulin costs
Ultra wealthy paying little to no taxes as a percentage of their income vs. the middle and working class
Climate change
Poverty
Limiting insider trading and single stock trading in congress
Rising violent crime due to the opioid epidemic and the COVID Pandemic
Taiwan



and other more pressing issues we face today? Interested in getting to the meat and potatoes.

Since this is directed at only one poster, are you really interested in that? Or are you simple just interested in "owning" one poster whose views don't coincide with those of your own? I'm very curious...

Joe

Why was this directed at only one poster? I didn't quote anyone or mention anyone by name. I'm tired of the BS fake culture war talk and was interested in actual policies moving forward.

You seem very interested in how people react to one another here and talk to one another rather than discussing the actual policies.

Even if it was my primary focus, is there any crime against? I like to seek out what people's motivations are behind their posts. Simple as that. If someone wants to do the same with me, have at it.

Joe

[NattyBohChamps04]

Even if it was my primary focus, is there any crime against? I like to seek out what people's motivations are behind their posts. Simple as that. If someone wants to do the same with me, have at it.

Joe

Hey, you do you. Just be aware you're doing the very thing you're accusing others of. Coming in and attacking or trying to call out people whose views don't coincide with your own. Also suggesting those people be more open minded while not doing the same yourself and not suggesting people you agree with should be more open minded to other opinions.

You also seem to be "interested" in the motivations behind only certain peoples' posts. But not really interested as you never ask them directly what their motivations are, but rather assume what their motivations are and lead with your assumptions.

[JoeMauer89]

Even if it was my primary focus, is there any crime against? I like to seek out what people's motivations are behind their posts. Simple as that. If someone wants to do the same with me, have at it.

Joe

Hey, you do you. Just be aware you're doing the very thing you're accusing others of. Coming in and attacking or trying to call out people whose views don't coincide with your own. Also suggesting those people be more open minded while not doing the same yourself and not suggesting people you agree with should be more open minded to other opinions.

You also seem to be "interested" in the motivations behind only certain peoples' posts. But not really interested as you never ask them directly what their motivations are, but rather assume what their motivations are and lead with your assumptions.

I have no problem with others differing opinions. I just want find out why the conversation is ALWAYS so one-sided on this site. If it doesn't fit the preferred narrative, it's trolling or misinformation. That's not discussion, its a one-sided echo chamber with the goal to squash differing opinions and ideologies that don't "toe the line". It happens daily on this site, if you are not seeing it, I can't help you there. Because there are others that are, I know that much to be true.

Joe

[Peter Brown]

Even if it was my primary focus, is there any crime against? I like to seek out what people's motivations are behind their posts. Simple as that. If someone wants to do the same with me, have at it.

Joe

Hey, you do you. Just be aware you're doing the very thing you're accusing others of. Coming in and attacking or trying to call out people whose views don't coincide with your own. Also suggesting those people be more open minded while not doing the same yourself and not suggesting people you agree with should be more open minded to other opinions.

You also seem to be "interested" in the motivations behind only certain peoples' posts. But not really interested as you never ask them directly what their motivations are, but rather assume what their motivations are and lead with your assumptions.

I have no problem with others differing opinions. I just want find out why the conversation is ALWAYS so one-sided on this site. If it doesn't fit the preferred narrative, it's trolling or misinformation. That's not discussion, its a one-sided echo chamber with the goal to squash differing opinions and ideologies that don't "toe the line". It happens daily on this site, if you are not seeing it, I can't help you there. Because there are others that are, I know that much to be true.

Joe

Ironically the one-sidedness of it is what attracted me here in the first place, the challenge of facing down the mob. I do appreciate when guys like you post, if for no other reason your common sense is a breath of much-needed fresh air.

[NattyBohChamps04]

I have no problem with others differing opinions. I just want find out why the conversation is ALWAYS so one-sided on this site. If it doesn't fit the preferred narrative, it's trolling or misinformation. That's not discussion, its a one-sided echo chamber with the goal to squash differing opinions and ideologies that don't "toe the line". It happens daily on this site, if you are not seeing it, I can't help you there. Because there are others that are, I know that much to be true.

Joe

Sure seems like you have a problem with differing opinions with the specific posters you try to call out. I do my best not to call out specific posters or "squash ideas", but rather call out lies and ideas and accusations that are flat out wrong.

And if you think the conversation is ALWAYS so one-sided on this site and it's an echo chamber, you haven't really been around much of the internet the past few decades. There are places that would really make you squirm.

Funny thing is, the LP forums and afterwards this site were great discussion forums for nearly 2 decades. Conservative leaning as is to be expected with the demographic, but lots of good honest discussion and back and forth between people about current events. Good discussions between people who didn't always agree with each other. Took a little bit of moderating, but it worked well. Most of that is gone with the advent of the populist talk and parroting the outrage media talking points. Calling half of America lunatics and trying to shut down any discussion. Ask for a policy discussion and you get two word glib responses. No interest in discussing the nuance of bills or how life isn't black and white, just trying to "own the libs" and move on to the next headline for fodder. It's a veritable Gish Gallop smorgasbord of far-right daily outrage call and response from just a couple of posters. If you can't see it, then I absolutely can't help you. The world isn't your insular little bubble, it's big and wide and messy and full of unknowns and people who don't fit into your little silos of left and right.

There is still some good discussion here once in a while if you look for it between the flat out lying and inanity. But most of it's been drowned out and most of the posters (again a right-leaning site from the get-go) have left because the signal to noise ratio is no longer very good.

Again, why not create and engage in discussions rather than get angry about what you think posters intentions are?

[JoeMauer89]

I have no problem with others differing opinions. I just want find out why the conversation is ALWAYS so one-sided on this site. If it doesn't fit the preferred narrative, it's trolling or misinformation. That's not discussion, its a one-sided echo chamber with the goal to squash differing opinions and ideologies that don't "toe the line". It happens daily on this site, if you are not seeing it, I can't help you there. Because there are others that are, I know that much to be true.

Joe

Sure seems like you have a problem with differing opinions with the specific posters you try to call out. I do my best not to call out specific posters or "squash ideas", but rather call out lies and ideas and accusations that are flat out wrong.

And if you think the conversation is ALWAYS so one-sided on this site and it's an echo chamber, you haven't really been around much of the internet the past few decades. There are places that would really make you squirm.

Funny thing is, the LP forums and afterwards this site were great discussion forums for nearly 2 decades. Conservative leaning as is to be expected with the demographic, but lots of good honest discussion and back and forth between people about current events. Good discussions between people who didn't always agree with each other. Took a little bit of moderating, but it worked well. Most of that is gone with the advent of the populist talk and parroting the outrage media talking points. Calling half of America lunatics and trying to shut down any discussion. Ask for a policy discussion and you get two word glib responses. No interest in discussing the nuance of bills or how life isn't black and white, just trying to "own the libs" and move on to the next headline for fodder. It's a veritable Gish Gallop smorgasbord of far-right daily outrage call and response from just a couple of posters. If you can't see it, then I absolutely can't help you. The world isn't your insular little bubble, it's big and wide and messy and full of unknowns and people who don't fit into your little silos of left and right.

There is still some good discussion here once in a while if you look for it between the flat out lying and inanity. But most of it's been drowned out and most of the posters (again a right-leaning site from the get-go) have left because the signal to noise ratio is no longer very good.

Again, why not create and engage in discussions rather than get angry about what you think posters intentions are?

If that's your interpretation, fair enough, I'll continue to do what I feel is right. That's what makes the world a great place. You and I don't have to think alike, but we have to at least try to understand the reasoning behind why we think the way we do. If it means calling people out to find out that reasoning, than so be it. I'm not immune, I've engaged plenty of times when I felt it was necessary to do so.

Joe

[Seacoaster(1)]

Just think it's important to chronicle here Rudy's completion of his self-debasement:

https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status ... 1141807106

America's Mayor needs some cash.

[Seacoaster(1)]

Using the power of the state to force conformity; today's GOP:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... -business/

Six years ago, Indiana’s then-Gov. Mike Pence scrambled to change a “religious freedom” bill he had just signed into law because Corporate America objected.

Apple and Salesforce opposed the bill, which seemed to allow businesses to discriminate against gay men and lesbians. Eli Lilly, a big employer in the state, called it “bad for Indiana and for business.” Indiana’s Chamber of Commerce said the law was “entirely unnecessary.”

Lawmakers listened. The Republican-controlled statehouse quickly revised the bill to clarify that it couldn’t be used to deny service based on sexual orientation. Pence signed it. And a fight between two longtime allies — companies and Republicans — was over.

But Pence’s capitulation can feel like a postcard from a distant era as growing numbers of state and federal Republican leaders today seem eager to clash with America’s biggest corporations over bills on similar hot-button issues.

Last year, the GOP attacked firms like Delta Air Lines and Major League Baseball for standing against Georgia’s restrictive voting bill. Citigroup was threatened for taking action seen as opposing Texas’s recent abortion ban. And Disney’s complaints about Florida’s new law limiting classroom discussion of sexual identity has led to Republicans targeting the Magic Kingdom’s perks. On Wednesday, the GOP-controlled Florida Senate voted 23-16 to eliminate Disney’s special district status, and the Florida House could follow suit on Thursday. The implications of this major change remain unclear.

Despite the onslaught, companies are not backing down — goaded by heightened expectations from customers and employees. Citigroup did not rescind its offer to help its Texas workers obtain out-of-state abortion services after a new restrictive law there, despite the threat from a state GOP representative to block the financial firm from underwriting municipal bonds.

The result is fresh cracks in the once-sturdy relationship between companies and a business-friendly GOP.

This strange new state-of-play is starkest in the clash between Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican with presidential ambitions, and the Walt Disney Company, a theme park and entertainment giant with 80,000 workers in the Sunshine State alone.

In a surprise move this week, DeSantis asked Florida lawmakers at a special session on congressional redistricting to also look at killing off any self-governing districts created before 1968 — including the one Disney World has enjoyed in the Orlando area for nearly six decades.

A governor’s spokesman said this was not about revenge for Disney publicly opposing a bill favored by DeSantis that banned discussions about sexual orientation or gender identity in primary school classrooms.

How Disney fell flat in fight over LGBTQ talk in Florida’s schools

“This is about evening the playing field for businesses in Florida,” Bryan Griffin, a spokesman for the governor, said via email. “Yes, Disney benefits from one of these special districts, but the call is to examine the existence of all special districts.”

Aubrey Jewett wasn’t buying it.

“It’s clear they’re doing it to punish Disney,” said Jewett, an associate professor of political science at the University of Central Florida, noting the fallout from erasing special districts is something legislators would usually want to study before doing.

“In normal political times,” he said, “this would be unthinkable.”

There is little normal about Florida’s governor going after the state’s most powerful company.

The formally titled Parental Rights in Education bill, signed by DeSantis earlier this month, was instantly polarizing.

DeSantis’s press secretary Christina Pushaw labeled it the “Anti-Grooming Bill.”

Disney was hit for not doing enough to stop the legislation and protect its LGBTQ workers. Disney executives apologized. They promised to halt contributions to Florida politicians while they reexamined priorities. Then the company said the bill “should never have passed and should never have been signed into law” and promised to push for its repeal.

Even after signing the bill, DeSantis kept taking shots at Disney.

He said the company had “crossed the line.”

“They do not control this state,” DeSantis added.

Other Republican lawmakers joined in.

State Rep. Randy Fine tweeted that he was introducing the bill to eliminate Disney’s Reedy Creek Improvement District: “Disney is a guest in Florida. Today, we remind them.” It hasn’t stopped there.

A group of 17 Republican Congress members wrote a letter to Disney chief executive Bob Chapek saying they wouldn’t support extending copyright protection for Mickey Mouse beyond the 2024 expiration date. The letter, from Rep. Jim Banks (R-Ind.) and Chris Jacobs (R-N.Y.) among others, said Disney “has capitulated to far-left activists through hypocritical, woke corporate actions,” pointing to the company’s opposition to the Florida classroom bill.

Disney did not respond to a request for comment. The Business Roundtable, which includes CEOs of America’s largest companies, declined to comment.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce — billed as the world’s largest business organization — indirectly addressed the issue of GOP lawmakers seeking retribution against companies opposing them on social issues.

“It is the Chamber’s long held position that policymakers should judge policies on the merits of the policy and what is good for increasing prosperity for their constituents and the nation,” Chamber spokesman Tim Doyle said.

Didi Kuo, senior research scholar at Stanford’s Center on Democracy, Development and the Rule of Law., said, “I think Corporate America has been torn about how to proceed.”

Companies would prefer to avoid these issues, Kuo said. But the old rules about how politics and business mix are changing. The Republican Party appears to be staking out less mainstream views on some cultural issues, Kuo said, making it harder for companies to navigate.

This has shuffled some familiar allegiances. In 2017, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) helped push through one of the largest corporate tax cuts in history, but last April he sent companies a message: “My warning to corporate America is to stay out of politics.”

McConnell’s outburst was in response to Corporate America’s opposition to Georgia’s voting bill passed in March 2021. Opponents said the legislation was aimed at making it harder for some people to cast ballots.

Hundreds of firms — including Target, Microsoft and American Airlines — signed onto a statement that called voting “the lifeblood of our democracy” and said that “we must ensure the right to vote for all of us.”

Major League Baseball decided to yank that summer’s upcoming All-Star Game from Georgia.

Ed Bastian, leader of Atlanta-based Delta Air Lines, told employees what he thought of the legislation, including, “the final bill is unacceptable and does not match Delta’s values.”

That did not sit well with some Republicans.

Sens. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.), Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), Josh Hawley (R-Mo.), Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) and Mike Lee (R-Utah) introduced a bill to strip the MLB of its antitrust exemption, which classifies the league as a sport rather than a business.

“If Major League Baseball is going to act dishonestly and spread lies about Georgia’s voting rights bill to favor one party against the other, they shouldn’t expect to continue to receive special benefits from Congress,” Cruz said in a statement.

The bill never went anywhere. But their point was made.

And Georgia’s Republican-controlled House voted to revoke a jet-fuel tax break used by Delta to save at least $35 million a year. But that bill died before full passage.

Georgia’s lawmakers passed a similar bill in 2018 after Delta ended a partnership with the National Rifle Association in response to the school shooting in Parkland, Fla. But then-Gov. Nathan Deal, also a Republican, stopped collecting the tax months later.

Jeffrey Sonnenfeld, a Yale management professor with close ties to corporate boardrooms, said companies were not backing down from the fight with what he called “GOP cancel culture grandstanding threats.”

“Companies scoff at this pathetic barking from dogs chained up by their garages,” he wrote in an email to The Washington Post, noting how the “Trump-orientated GOP” had already lost the mainstream U.S. business world.

Dozens of companies paused or stopped making political donations to the Republicans in Congress who voted against certifying the 2020 election of President Biden, he said. At least 600 companies signed petitions against Republican-led restrictions on voting access last year.

One unusual aspect of DeSantis’s threats against Disney is that he has appeared willing to follow through. But it’s unclear what the impact will be if Disney World loses its special district privileges.

Disney is more vulnerable to threats of political vengeance because it lacks what is often a corporate trump card: The easy ability to move.

Benjamin Means, a business law professor at the University of South Carolina, has studied what he calls the power of “corporate exit” — whether that is moving headquarters or shifting investments.

“Disney, they really can’t pick up their ball and go home,” Means said. “You can’t relocate Disney World.”

But DeSantis’s tactics could make Disney rethink future investments. California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) already has asked the company to reconsider moving 2,000 jobs from his state to Florida.

Colorado Gov. Jared Polis (D) used the recent turmoil to make pitches to Disney and Twitter — the tech company also has been criticized by DeSantis for its opposition to a takeover bid from Tesla chief executive Elon Musk.

“Florida’s authoritarian socialist attacks on the private sector are driving businesses away,” Polis tweeted.

Texas GOP politicians have been putting pressure on companies, too. Last year, Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick attacked American Airlines for opposing changes to state voting laws.

“Texans are fed up with corporations that don’t share our values trying to dictate public policy,” Patrick said in a long statement.

The politics of revenge are not helpful to running a government, said Jewett, the political science professor.

“It’s no way to make good public policy.”

[cradleandshoot]

Since R's are going to have a historic Red Wave in November, I wonder what their actual policies are going to be on certain things?


We already have Republican solutions to the following as they've taken up page after page of the forums for months:

Teaching American History surrounding slavery and racism
Letting kids know there are gay people in the world
Mr. and Mrs. Potato Head being sold under the "Potato Head" brand now, with Mr. Potato Head still being sold
Access to abortions in the case of incest or rape
Disney World supporting LGBTQ people
Unsexy green M&Ms
The small handful of trans women competing in women's sports



What are R's policies surrounding:

Ukraine issues
Inflation and high gas prices
High healthcare costs
Wrapping up the COVID pandemic
Russian meddling in our politics
High insulin costs
Ultra wealthy paying little to no taxes as a percentage of their income vs. the middle and working class
Climate change
Poverty
Limiting insider trading and single stock trading in congress
Rising violent crime due to the opioid epidemic and the COVID Pandemic
Taiwan
Congressional term limits and staff term limits
SCOTUS term limits
Campaign finance reform
Infrastructure



and other more pressing issues we face today? Interested in getting to the meat and potatoes.

Hopefully that new black someone recently voted onto the SCOTUS will have a dissenting opinion if and when the case reaches the court.

[Seacoaster(1)]

Just wondering if we can agree -- all of us -- that Kevin McCarthy is really the dumbest most venal f*ckwad in Congress?

First, he denies that he told his caucus he wanted Trump to resign and discussed the 25th Amendment with GOP leadership. Then a tape of the very conversation appears, which completely refutes the denial. In the tape, McCarthy casually discusses the option of the 25th Amendment, telling Trump to resign, and making sure Pence won’t pardon him, with Scalise and Liz Cheney...only to, a couple of weeks later, kick Cheney out of leadership for saying the same things he did.

This is your party's potential Speaker of the House.

[CU88]

Just wondering if we can agree -- all of us -- that Kevin McCarthy is really the dumbest most venal f*ckwad in Congress?

First, he denies that he told his caucus he wanted Trump to resign and discussed the 25th Amendment with GOP leadership. Then a tape of the very conversation appears, which completely refutes the denial. In the tape, McCarthy casually discusses the option of the 25th Amendment, telling Trump to resign, and making sure Pence won’t pardon him, with Scalise and Liz Cheney...only to, a couple of weeks later, kick Cheney out of leadership for saying the same things he did.

This is your party's potential Speaker of the House.

Good morning to everyone—and especially to the person who recorded Kevin McCarthy!

[dislaxxic]

Agree 100%.

You have to wonder what his response will be today…maybe a lot like Mike Lee’s response to questioning yesterday? Head for the door post haste…?

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[Seacoaster(1)]

Agree 100%.

You have to wonder what his response will be today…maybe a lot like Mike Lee’s response to questioning yesterday? Head for the door post haste…?

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Just complete profiles in cowardice.