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cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:31 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:22 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:15 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:50 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:49 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:40 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:24 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:53 pm

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:37 pm One huge issue that makes the American policing situation is the number of firearms (either legal or illegal) on the streets, combined with an approach to police training based on action from fear (those criminals must be armed so let's handle our interactions as if they all are).

If an officer approaches a situation expecting violence, it is going to get those trigger fingers itching...

Your choices are to figure out how to train a better approach that does not lead to a bloodbath of the police not prepared or to put some sensible limits on firearms...

Not an easy problem...

Get the guns out of the hands of private citizens and policing changes. Remove the fear from law enforcement. Few want to acknowledge this simple fact. Achieving it is another different matter.

Are you trying to differentiate between legally owned and illegal handguns? I don't believe legally owned firearms are the biggest concern the police have. Illegal handguns in the possession of a convicted felon are a very big problem for police.

Legal guns turn into illegal guns everyday. I am not trying to argue against citizens owning guns, I AM SIMPLY MAKING THE OBVIOUS POINT, no guns, the smaller the problem of policing. That's not going to happen, and it should be clear to everyone by now that the status quo cannot remain in place. Police are going to have to accept more risk in their interaction with citizens, or the process of policing is going to have to change significantly.

"Legal guns turn into illegal guns everyday."

I understand your point but I disagree. To a letter the folks that I know that legally own a gun, myself included, will go to any length to stop a legal gun from getting into the wrong hands. The only way a legal gun turns into an illegal gun is if the weapon is stolen or the owner breaks the law and wants to become a criminal. You are right, the police know they have to accept more risks when they interact with citizens. The police also have a right not to die doing so. That is a bit of a conundrum I know. The days of Sheriff Taylor with no gun died somewhere in Mayberry.

Find something else to do then.

I don't mean to insult you TLD but that is a really dumb and unrealistic response. To the best of my knowledge most police love their job and willingly accept the risk that comes along with it. I am willing to go out on a limb and say you don't worry about getting shot everyday you are at work. To tell them to do something else is flippant and insulting to them.

I pursued a different career. I had some options. I don’t want a pilot, surgeon or cop to be bad at their jobs.

I get that. IMO to be a cop or a firefighter or an EMT you know from the start you ain't gonna get rich. You have to have a passion and a love for the work. We all hear about the bad things cops do. You seldom hear about all the good and unselfish things they do for the people they serve. Yeah it would be soooo easy to quit and do something else. I am glad for the most part they don't take your advice. For every cop that wants to walk away that means someone else maybe better, maybe worse has to take their place.

jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:20 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:50 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:49 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:40 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:24 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:53 pm

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:37 pm One huge issue that makes the American policing situation is the number of firearms (either legal or illegal) on the streets, combined with an approach to police training based on action from fear (those criminals must be armed so let's handle our interactions as if they all are).

If an officer approaches a situation expecting violence, it is going to get those trigger fingers itching...

Your choices are to figure out how to train a better approach that does not lead to a bloodbath of the police not prepared or to put some sensible limits on firearms...

Not an easy problem...

Get the guns out of the hands of private citizens and policing changes. Remove the fear from law enforcement. Few want to acknowledge this simple fact. Achieving it is another different matter.

Are you trying to differentiate between legally owned and illegal handguns? I don't believe legally owned firearms are the biggest concern the police have. Illegal handguns in the possession of a convicted felon are a very big problem for police.

Legal guns turn into illegal guns everyday. I am not trying to argue against citizens owning guns, I AM SIMPLY MAKING THE OBVIOUS POINT, no guns, the smaller the problem of policing. That's not going to happen, and it should be clear to everyone by now that the status quo cannot remain in place. Police are going to have to accept more risk in their interaction with citizens, or the process of policing is going to have to change significantly.

"Legal guns turn into illegal guns everyday."

I understand your point but I disagree. To a letter the folks that I know that legally own a gun, myself included, will go to any length to stop a legal gun from getting into the wrong hands. The only way a legal gun turns into an illegal gun is if the weapon is stolen or the owner breaks the law and wants to become a criminal. You are right, the police know they have to accept more risks when they interact with citizens. The police also have a right not to die doing so. That is a bit of a conundrum I know. The days of Sheriff Taylor with no gun died somewhere in Mayberry.

Find something else to do then.

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:07 pm "Legal guns turn into illegal guns everyday."
This is true, and the goal of the left with enough legislation.

... and the right's solution is, there is no problem as long as the flaws in the system only end up in black men dying.

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:43 pm Making more guns illegal doesn’t mean less black men dying. Want less black men dying? Work on supporting your cops, improving LEO training, and get rid of police unions or limit the protections they give bad cops. Personal accountability is what the left should shoot for, not blanket restrictions.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:43 pm Texas police officer indicted in shooting death of woman struck when he fired shots at an unrestrained dog

Honestly....we can’t do better?

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:42 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:43 pm Texas police officer indicted in shooting death of woman struck when he fired shots at an unrestrained dog

Honestly....we can’t do better?

Yes. Dudley DoRight. In such cases, the police should be trained to let an unrestrained dog attack them.

6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:03 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:55 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:40 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:59 pm Well count me with those who would say those chants back in 2015 weren't ok and indeed hurt the movement at the time.

I don't think those were actually outside agitators, that was just a few folks who even then didn't represent the whole of the movement...and weren't trained in peaceful protesting. There were a bunch of folks working in the ensuing years to deal with community leaders on how protesting can be most effective...witness how non-violent Baltimore was this round as a result. This is always tenuous, as not everyone who is angry is on board with the peaceful tactics and rhetoric.

But there were a heck of a lot of protests this year, dwarfing anything seen back in 2015, and the chants were quite different, though the outrage was much the same.

But we've also had widespread looting, much of which does appear to be a combination of opportunist looters and those seeking maximum division, whether from the far right or the far left.

How many of those people spewing that hatred in 2015 are now a part of the movement today? Who knows? Maybe a few hundred, a few thousand... the point is there are still people that are a part of the movement that hate the police and will do everything in their power to undermine law enforcement whenever possible. There are the majority of BLM protesters that want change. There sadly others that see an opportunity to spread chaos and anger.

Probably so, but there are now many millions who've joined the movement who certainly don't 'hate the police', though they hate the racial insensitivity and violence toward blacks, and they want change. No more putting up with abuse and abusive policing. They also believe that systematic racism is real and that it is no longer enough to 'not be a racist', we need to be actively anti-racist if we are to overcome the systemic legacy.

I agree, and so does Mitt Romney and many millions more...does that mean we 'hate the police'...not at all.

But yeah, there are likely some who want to 'spread chaos and anger'.

And enablers like you allow it all to progress to the next level of violence.

a fan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:05 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:43 pm Making more guns illegal doesn’t mean less black men dying. Want less black men dying? Work on supporting your cops, improving LEO training, and get rid of police unions or limit the protections they give bad cops. Personal accountability is what the left should shoot for, not blanket restrictions.

The bolded is precisely what we got in Colorado.

And yes, work on supporting the police. For one? Move our mental health expenditures up 10 fold so that these poor beat cops don't have to clean up after the rest of the citizens that are too cheap to pay to keep folks with serious mental health issues off the freaking streets.

Police aren't supposed to clean up the mess the rest of us leave behind because we love low taxes to the point of absurdity.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:58 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:42 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:43 pm Texas police officer indicted in shooting death of woman struck when he fired shots at an unrestrained dog

Honestly....we can’t do better?

Yes. Dudley DoRight. In such cases, the police should be trained to let an unrestrained dog attack them.

I don't know. I guess if he is willing to pay the price now it was the right decision.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:32 am Goodness gracious...."It's 'Not Possible' for Black Lives To Matter Until Capitalism Is Abolished"

Is this really what BLM is all about?...they need a new leader/spokes-goup ASAP.

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:48 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:58 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:42 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:43 pm Texas police officer indicted in shooting death of woman struck when he fired shots at an unrestrained dog

Honestly....we can’t do better?

Yes. Dudley DoRight. In such cases, the police should be trained to let an unrestrained dog attack them.

I don't know. I guess if he is willing to pay the price now it was the right decision.

nothing that a good samuri sword can't fix. Nothing more satisfying that watching an attacking pitbull impailed on a sword.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:35 pm Philadelphia had more riots today.

This should safely move Pennsylvania into Trump category.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:35 pm Philadelphia had more riots today.

This should safely move Pennsylvania into Trump category.

njbill wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:02 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:35 pm Philadelphia had more riots today.

This should safely move Pennsylvania into Trump category.

You mean this Proud Boys rally?

Just checked several local media sources and this is the only one I came up with.

Oops, Pete.

https://www.inquirer.com/news/proud-boy ... 00919.html