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Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:48 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:16 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 10:13 am https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/12/inflati ... eases.html

Very, very good news.

Listened to some interesting commentary about what FED is likely to do, the importance of patience, but are they going to be?

On the other hand, Rick Santelli made some interesting comments about wage pressures next year because of the massive investments under the Infrastructure and CHIPs acts. Tremendous building projects, manufacturing and construction, and surrounding services...his concern was not enough workers trained to be able to do the tasks.
Depends on skill sets. I’ve talked to a lot of CFOs who jammed their capex budget and spending into Q1 & Q2 because their capex spending plans and ROI profile has changed such that they won’t be investing the next two years. It’s going to be a shift from software and related to other skill sets in need.
Skilled construction workers, machinists, welders, all sorts of specialized building and manufacturing workers...in an already extremely tight labor market these mega projects need to attract people not currently living near the project to come there, be trained, etc.

Seems like a fair point that this is going to be a challenge...in the longer term, however, I think this will be beneficial to rebuilding the middle class, a middle class/working class that can achieve very good lifestyles without elite higher education.

And it will be beneficial to our national security over the long haul.

Short term, a serious challenge.

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 2:05 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:48 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:16 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 10:13 am https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/12/inflati ... eases.html

Very, very good news.

Listened to some interesting commentary about what FED is likely to do, the importance of patience, but are they going to be?

On the other hand, Rick Santelli made some interesting comments about wage pressures next year because of the massive investments under the Infrastructure and CHIPs acts. Tremendous building projects, manufacturing and construction, and surrounding services...his concern was not enough workers trained to be able to do the tasks.
Depends on skill sets. I’ve talked to a lot of CFOs who jammed their capex budget and spending into Q1 & Q2 because their capex spending plans and ROI profile has changed such that they won’t be investing the next two years. It’s going to be a shift from software and related to other skill sets in need.
Skilled construction workers, machinists, welders, all sorts of specialized building and manufacturing workers...in an already extremely tight labor market these mega projects need to attract people not currently living near the project to come there, be trained, etc.

Seems like a fair point that this is going to be a challenge...in the longer term, however, I think this will be beneficial to rebuilding the middle class, a middle class/working class that can achieve very good lifestyles without elite higher education.

And it will be beneficial to our national security over the long haul.

Short term, a serious challenge.
We are involved with a company doing a lot of work for the Intel project in Ohio. The area doesn’t have enough of a base for the type of skilled labor needed…..Bringing in folks from out of state to work on it and those folks will go back home (Illinois, Pa., NY)….Permanent jobs created will also be filled by some in the area but largely by imported talent….Overall win but not necessarily for the current Ohio residents…..

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 3:41 pm
by Farfromgeneva
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:48 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:16 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 10:13 am https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/12/inflati ... eases.html

Very, very good news.

Listened to some interesting commentary about what FED is likely to do, the importance of patience, but are they going to be?

On the other hand, Rick Santelli made some interesting comments about wage pressures next year because of the massive investments under the Infrastructure and CHIPs acts. Tremendous building projects, manufacturing and construction, and surrounding services...his concern was not enough workers trained to be able to do the tasks.
Depends on skill sets. I’ve talked to a lot of CFOs who jammed their capex budget and spending into Q1 & Q2 because their capex spending plans and ROI profile has changed such that they won’t be investing the next two years. It’s going to be a shift from software and related to other skill sets in need.
Skilled construction workers, machinists, welders, all sorts of specialized building and manufacturing workers...in an already extremely tight labor market these mega projects need to attract people not currently living near the project to come there, be trained, etc.

Seems like a fair point that this is going to be a challenge...in the longer term, however, I think this will be beneficial to rebuilding the middle class, a middle class/working class that can achieve very good lifestyles without elite higher education.

And it will be beneficial to our national security over the long haul.

Short term, a serious challenge.
I don’t want to be the Debbie downer on the CPI print today and clearly the vol in the 10yr UST means the markets have no idea what’s happening, but core was still 4.8% with a lot of nominal CPI relief coming from energy. Little bit from food as well. It’s going to be hard w demographics to get to a 2% core run rate still which is what Powell wants.

Like I had mentioned previously, my FILs company keeps turning down MSFT on certain projects without effective margin guarantees because they are flat out of IBEW folks to utilize and have a robust pipeline already. One very specialized area, though the Union membership is apparently not that hard to get into in told for this specific one. But let’s see if next year the organic private sector reduction in capex facilitates the supply of labor needed to keep a lid on these large scale govt funded projects or not.

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 3:44 pm
by Farfromgeneva
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 2:05 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:48 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:16 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2023 10:13 am https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/12/inflati ... eases.html

Very, very good news.

Listened to some interesting commentary about what FED is likely to do, the importance of patience, but are they going to be?

On the other hand, Rick Santelli made some interesting comments about wage pressures next year because of the massive investments under the Infrastructure and CHIPs acts. Tremendous building projects, manufacturing and construction, and surrounding services...his concern was not enough workers trained to be able to do the tasks.
Depends on skill sets. I’ve talked to a lot of CFOs who jammed their capex budget and spending into Q1 & Q2 because their capex spending plans and ROI profile has changed such that they won’t be investing the next two years. It’s going to be a shift from software and related to other skill sets in need.
Skilled construction workers, machinists, welders, all sorts of specialized building and manufacturing workers...in an already extremely tight labor market these mega projects need to attract people not currently living near the project to come there, be trained, etc.

Seems like a fair point that this is going to be a challenge...in the longer term, however, I think this will be beneficial to rebuilding the middle class, a middle class/working class that can achieve very good lifestyles without elite higher education.

And it will be beneficial to our national security over the long haul.

Short term, a serious challenge.
We are involved with a company doing a lot of work for the Intel project in Ohio. The area doesn’t have enough of a base for the type of skilled labor needed…..Bringing in folks from out of state to work on it and those folks will go back home (Illinois, Pa., NY)….Permanent jobs created will also be filled by some in the area but largely by imported talent….Overall win but not necessarily for the current Ohio residents…..
State borders less of an issue w federal funds than state incentives so depended on the mix as to whether it’s a good ROI for the benefactors.

I should be telling my underemployed second cousins in WNY to look west however. Most work hard and have picked up plenty of technical knowledge without having many advanced degrees milling around the greater Corning/Elmira MSA watching it wither. One cousin who does fairly well in security Mgt for Corning Inc finally threw in the towel and got himself relocated to Wilmington NC to be done w WNY completely.

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:00 pm
by Farfromgeneva
So I can add more long story posts for youth to complain about while he puts up grossly misrepresented out of context links to Instagram and Twitter.

Notwithstanding the “mission accomplished” vibe this am, this is in a nutshell my issues with Biden’s economic policy. And while this may be open if one thinks Greg Ip is the same as Holman Jenkins or whoever they don’t understand the personnel at the WSJ at all.

*BTW Dani Rodrik is both excellent and fairly accessible for non-domain folks.

This Part of Bidenomics Needs More Economics

Massive sums are being spent on industrial policy with little guidance from economic theory or research

Greg Ip

The U.S. has embarked on the most sweeping foray into industrial policy—the use of government resources to help favored sectors—in generations. Congress has enacted hundreds of billions of dollars of subsidies for semiconductors, renewable energy and infrastructure. President Biden, like President Trump before him, has used tariffs, export controls and “buy American” policies to both bolster domestic industries and counter China.

Indeed, industrial policy in the long run may be a more consequential part of Bidenomics than Biden’s better-known and more controversial fiscal stimulus. But industrial policy differs in one crucial way from fiscal policy, and, for that matter, monetary, health, education and all sorts of other policies: It lacks a rigorous economic foundation.

Scholars and policy makers have no agreed definition of industrial policy: Do tariffs count? The research and development tax credit? Tuition assistance? What about the goal: Is it to save factory jobs? Grab market share from other countries? Hold off China? Develop breakthrough innovations? Solve climate change?

The $53 billion Chips Act seeks to end the U.S.’s reliance on foreign-made semiconductors, especially those used by the Pentagon. It is the latest example of the federal government using its cash to remake an industry it sees as crucial to national security.

The risk is obvious. Without a coherent economic framework, industrial policy is more likely to fail and discredit the entire concept. This wasn’t a big deal when industrial policy mostly consisted of small-ticket projects. Federal loans to Solyndra, the solar manufacturer that went bankrupt in 2011, were only $535 million.

Today, it is big bucks. The Trump administration’s Operation Warp Speed devoted $18 billion to developing and distributing Covid-19 vaccines. The Biden administration’s Chips and Science program is funneling about $53 billion toward semiconductor manufacturing and development. The Inflation Reduction Act might ultimately offer $1 trillion in aid to renewable energy. The Energy Department has $400 billion in lending authority at its disposal.

Some are eager to do more. In April, Rep. Ro Khanna, a Democratic congressman representing Silicon Valley and an enthusiastic proponent of industrial policy, said, “Let’s have a CHIPS act for aluminum, for steel, for paper, for microelectronics, for advanced auto parts and for climate technologies.”

This week I asked Khanna to explain his principles for doling out government support. He had plenty of beneficiaries in mind: aerospace, automobiles, machine tools, industrial robots, chemicals, medical technology, drugs and, above all, steel. “What is it going to take to get at least three American steel companies in the top 10?” he asked. And he was adamant that the beneficiaries should be deindustrialized towns such as Johnstown, Ohio, or Canton, N.C.

What Khanna didn’t offer were clear economic criteria to determine which industries should be supported, and how much. The criteria, he said, is what Congress is able to pass. Khanna taught economics at Stanford University but said economists shouldn’t design industrial policy because they don’t appreciate the nonquantifiable costs of deindustrialization such as suicide, divorce and polarized politics. Industrial policy has “unquantifiable benefits for the project of American democracy” for which it is worth risking failures, he said.

But all policies, from health to the environment, involve unquantifiable costs and benefits. Economics helps ensure those benefits are achieved effectively and efficiently. Money, from either taxpayers or consumers, isn’t infinite.

Biden officials are aware of this. The Commerce Department has laid out fairly explicit goals for the Chips program, such as “reduce chokepoint risks flowing from geographic concentration,” and promised ongoing evaluation to ensure grant recipients are meeting their commitments.

But just spending money as intended is no guarantee the objective is achieved. U.S. solar manufacturing has had years of federal and state subsidies and tariff protection and has failed to become globally competitive.

The Biden administration’s Chips and Science program is funneling about $53 billion toward semiconductor manufacturing and development. Photo: Heather Ainsworth for The Wall Street Journal
Robert Atkinson, a longtime industrial policy advocate who heads the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation, thinks industrial policy, including Biden’s, is too often a “mishmash” of competing objectives—regional development, child care, climate change—that don’t address the main goal of making U.S. industries competitive internationally.

Economics itself hasn’t been all that helpful; within the discipline, industrial policy is an orphan. The nonprofit National Bureau of Economic Research, the top clearinghouse for academic economics, only publishes a few papers each year on the subject, many about other countries.

Harvard University’s Gordon Hanson, who does study industrial policy, says on health, education and the environment, economists believe there are lots of policies that leave people better off. On industrial policy, their biases are just the opposite.

“The view, right or wrong, is that industrial policy is primarily done at the behest of special interests, and introduces welfare-reducing distortions. Our welfare theorems are based on having prices set by markets. If you say industrial policy is about getting prices wrong, economists are going to run away from it,” he says.

Industrial policy research consists mostly of case studies. Advocates end up citing favorable ones such as the federal contribution to early computers and semiconductors; critics cite failures such as Solyndra or the nearly $1 billion New York state spent on a factory for Tesla that produces just a fraction of the promised solar panels.

Hanson is among the economists trying to fix that. He and fellow Harvard economist Dani Rodrik are building such a data set of “place-based policies” designed to help poor regions, as Khanna purports to do, in hopes of understanding them as a package.

Elsewhere, Réka Juhász of the University of British Columbia and Nathan Lane of Oxford University have founded the Industrial Policy Group to conduct empirical research; it has compiled a database of all potential industrial policy actions from 2009 to 2020.

For his part, Khanna said he would welcome more research into industrial policy, which a bill he’s sponsored with Sen. Marco Rubio (R., Fla.) would provide for.

Even if economists can someday say with confidence which industrial policies work, politicians won’t necessarily listen. But the information will be there if they want it.

Write to Greg Ip at [email protected]

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:49 pm
by Farfromgeneva
From Trepp

FIGURE 1: AVERAGE YOY MULTIFAMILY NOI GROWTH (2021-2022) BY STATE
STATE OUTSTANDING MULTIFAMILY LOAN YOY NOI GROWTH
BALANCE IN DATA 2021-2022 SET ($MILLIONS)
1 CA 20,776 8.3%
2 TX 17,209 11.0%
3 FL 13,061 14.4%
4 NY 6,410 10.2%
5 CO 6,101 6.9%
6 VA 5,950 7.5%
7 MD 5,862 2.0%
8 GA 5,855 11.2%
9 WA 4,808 11.2%
10 PA 4,392 7.0%
11 AZ 4,388 13.7%
12 NJ 4,229 11.0%
13 NC 4,047 11.1%
14 OH 3,573 10.3%
15 NV 3,252 11.0%
16 IL 3,200 9.0%
17 OR 2,436 5.9%
18 TN 1,927 14.5%
19 CT 1,911 7.4%
20 MI 1,861 5.5%
21 MA 1,842 11.8%
22 MO 1,634 9.4%
23 IN 1,481 10.7%
24 MN 1,380 -1.4%
25 SC 1,282 10.4%

Multifamily rental rates have seen strong growth across the nation, with the average national multifamily rents growing 15% year-over-year (YoY) in 2021. In 2022, rental rates saw an annual growth of about 6%. Even though 2022 saw the second-highest annual rental rate growth in history, the multifamily market is showing signs of continued softening going into 2023 and 2024.
As rental rate growth tapers off, multifamily property owners will look to manage their operating expenses to offset any drop- off in property revenue that would weigh on the property’s overall net operating income (NOI). Furthermore, burgeoning multifamily construction delivery volume will also have a dampening effect on multifamily demand and rent growth.
In this report,Trepp conducts an analysis on multifamily NOI growth from 2021 to 2022 to capture the YoY performance trend of multifamily markets in various geographies.
The Analysis
The loans used in this report are outstanding, non-defeased, multifamily loans in Freddie Mac pools. We limit the sample to include only loans that have reported full-year financials for both 2021 and 2022 to calculate the weighted average year-over-year NOI growth across multifamily properties in each state (weighted by outstanding loan balance).
To work with clean financial figures, we made several modifications to the data set by excluding portfolio loans, loans that showed a negative cash flow, and loans that would have a debt service coverage ratio (DSCR) greater than 12.0x at a 6% interest-only rate to eliminate anomalous data. For split-loan pieces, we use only one set of financials to remove duplications in the financial data.
Finally, we removed the 1st and 99th percentiles from the full set of YoY NOI growth figures to account for outliers that would skew the weighted average NOI growth figure for a particular geographic area.

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:42 pm
by PizzaSnake
Ruh roh.

“Just as Chicago reels from a spate of shootings and carjackings, inequities exacerbated by the pandemic and high-profile corporate departures, its pension gap creates a financial burden that threatens its recovery and the mayor’s …

The situation makes for a cautionary tale for municipalities across the country facing long-neglected contributions and funding shortfalls. Already, the third-largest US city spends roughly $1 of every $5 on pensions, while more than 80% of property-tax dollars go toward retirement payouts.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ion-crisis

If these pensions fail, that should have an interesting impact on retirees’ finances. I wonder how many Villages denizens will be fcuked?

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:15 pm
by JoeMauer89
PizzaSnake wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:42 pm Ruh roh.

“Just as Chicago reels from a spate of shootings and carjackings, inequities exacerbated by the pandemic and high-profile corporate departures, its pension gap creates a financial burden that threatens its recovery and the mayor’s …

The situation makes for a cautionary tale for municipalities across the country facing long-neglected contributions and funding shortfalls. Already, the third-largest US city spends roughly $1 of every $5 on pensions, while more than 80% of property-tax dollars go toward retirement payouts.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ion-crisis

If these pensions fail, that should have an interesting impact on retirees’ finances. I wonder how many Villages denizens will be fcuked?
Do you live in Chicago? Just curious. :roll:

Joe

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:17 pm
by Farfromgeneva
PizzaSnake wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:42 pm Ruh roh.

“Just as Chicago reels from a spate of shootings and carjackings, inequities exacerbated by the pandemic and high-profile corporate departures, its pension gap creates a financial burden that threatens its recovery and the mayor’s …

The situation makes for a cautionary tale for municipalities across the country facing long-neglected contributions and funding shortfalls. Already, the third-largest US city spends roughly $1 of every $5 on pensions, while more than 80% of property-tax dollars go toward retirement payouts.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ion-crisis

If these pensions fail, that should have an interesting impact on retirees’ finances. I wonder how many Villages denizens will be fcuked?
The problem is you get a negative feedback loop where those pensions are guaranteed by the full taxing authority (ad valorem) of the jurisdiction/political subdivision. So as costs increase you see younger working earners migrate out but the relatively fixed burden remains so the per Capita burden increases on the remaining folks. It takes “bottoming out” and rebuilding but that’s ugly for citizens.

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:31 pm
by a fan
Farfromgeneva wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:17 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:42 pm Ruh roh.

“Just as Chicago reels from a spate of shootings and carjackings, inequities exacerbated by the pandemic and high-profile corporate departures, its pension gap creates a financial burden that threatens its recovery and the mayor’s …

The situation makes for a cautionary tale for municipalities across the country facing long-neglected contributions and funding shortfalls. Already, the third-largest US city spends roughly $1 of every $5 on pensions, while more than 80% of property-tax dollars go toward retirement payouts.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ion-crisis

If these pensions fail, that should have an interesting impact on retirees’ finances. I wonder how many Villages denizens will be fcuked?
The problem is you get a negative feedback loop where those pensions are guaranteed by the full taxing authority (ad valorem) of the jurisdiction/political subdivision. So as costs increase you see younger working earners migrate out but the relatively fixed burden remains so the per Capita burden increases on the remaining folks. It takes “bottoming out” and rebuilding but that’s ugly for citizens.
The problem is that guaranteed pensions are idiotic on their face.

In 2015, the city of Chicago had 29,000+ retirees collecting pensions...pensions that included medical insurance. These bennies averaged more than current employee wages.

Wanna know how many employees they had that were actually working that year? About 35,000.

They're insane, and all these pensioners are royally F'ed because their Unions drafted pension bennies that anyone with a calculator could tell you are 100% insane. NO WAY can you get that much for working for 30 years.

Picture a company like mine, with 7 FTE's. Do you think I could sustain having 6 retired guys with full pensions.......in addition to the 7 guys that are actually working on the payroll?

Stupid. Kill the pension. It's an idiotic idea. Pay them more up front, like a big boy. And when they retire? GTFO of my office, and you don't get a cent more.

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:37 pm
by Farfromgeneva
a fan wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:31 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:17 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:42 pm Ruh roh.

“Just as Chicago reels from a spate of shootings and carjackings, inequities exacerbated by the pandemic and high-profile corporate departures, its pension gap creates a financial burden that threatens its recovery and the mayor’s …

The situation makes for a cautionary tale for municipalities across the country facing long-neglected contributions and funding shortfalls. Already, the third-largest US city spends roughly $1 of every $5 on pensions, while more than 80% of property-tax dollars go toward retirement payouts.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ion-crisis

If these pensions fail, that should have an interesting impact on retirees’ finances. I wonder how many Villages denizens will be fcuked?
The problem is you get a negative feedback loop where those pensions are guaranteed by the full taxing authority (ad valorem) of the jurisdiction/political subdivision. So as costs increase you see younger working earners migrate out but the relatively fixed burden remains so the per Capita burden increases on the remaining folks. It takes “bottoming out” and rebuilding but that’s ugly for citizens.
The problem is that guaranteed pensions are idiotic on their face.

In 2015, the city of Chicago had 29,000+ retirees collecting pensions...pensions that included medical insurance. These bennies averaged more than current employee wages.

Wanna know how many employees they had that were actually working that year? About 35,000.

They're insane, and all these pensioners are royally F'ed because their Unions drafted pension bennies that anyone with a calculator could tell you are 100% insane. NO WAY can you get that much for working for 30 years.

Picture a company like mine, with 7 FTE's. Do you think I could sustain having 6 retired guys with full pensions.......in addition to the 7 guys that are actually working on the payroll?

Stupid. Kill the pension. It's an idiotic idea. Pay them more up front, like a big boy. And when they retire? GTFO of my office, and you don't get a cent more.
Yes but from the Corp side it was the autos and grocers (big part of the economy) in the 60s who traded lower wage gains for higher defined benefits so the Corp players have some responsibility as well.

But yeah defined benefit plans are silly. Certainly doesn’t square with the idea of corporations as living things because living things die so any long term guarantee isn’t worth Jack.

The ones point of contention is on the Corp side the pension math is based on somewhat linear and perpetual growth. On the public/civil service side that’s really dumb, isn’t smart on the Corp side as I pointed out above but the foundation for providing it on the public side is even more flawed.

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:13 pm
by Farfromgeneva
Last week or so but interesting because the govt took a stake in Yellow Roadways in Covid and I thought it was a joke. Punchline coming.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trucker-ye ... t-8f8553b8

Trucker Yellow Wins Reprieve from Lenders, Including U.S. Government

Agreements give troubled carrier more time to negotiate with International Brotherhood of Teamsters and streamline operations

Paul Berger

Trucking company Yellow gained a reprieve from lenders, including requirements under a federal government loan of $700 million in pandemic aid, as the company tries to reset its finances and restructure its operations.

Yellow, one of the country’s largest trucking companies, has been seeking to refinance about $1.3 billion in debt that must be repaid in 2024 while it seeks cooperation from the Teamsters union for structural changes aimed at better competing in a tough freight market.

Nashville, Tenn.-based Yellow, which employs 30,000 workers, recently warned it was running out of cash and earlier this year hired investment bank Ducera Partners to help refinance its debt. A Yellow official said refinancing efforts stalled in the spring when the Teamsters blocked the company’s operations overhaul.

The agreements with lenders allows “the company to focus completely on getting to the table with the International Brotherhood of Teamsters and having alignment on modernization of the company and increasing wages for union employees,” said Darren Hawkins, Yellow’s chief executive.

Yellow got the $700 million federal loan as part of a 2020 Covid-19 package for private industries. The Biden administration expects the loan to be repaid by September 2024, but it waived requirements that the company maintain certain financial targets through this year’s financial quarter that ended June 30, according to a Yellow filing on Monday with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Other lenders, led by Apollo Global Management, waived the financial requirements through Sept. 30 this year, according to the filing. That group is owed $567 million to be repaid in June 2024.

The agreements come with a slew of oversight requirements that include requiring Yellow to file weekly liquidity reports to the lenders along with weekly consolidated operating budgets. Yellow must also maintain liquidity above $35 million.

According to SJ Consulting, Yellow is the country’s third-largest operator in the less-than-truckload, or LTL, business, in which carriers haul shipments from multiple customers on the same truck between factories, warehouses and retail stores.

If Yellow goes out of business, SJ Consulting President Satish Jindel said the loss of trucking capacity is likely to raise shipping prices by mid-single to low-double digits for retailers and manufacturers.

Yellow has struggled financially for several years. Its cash holdings fell to $155 million at the end of March from $235 million at the end of December. Hawkins said that as of the end of June, the company had cash holdings of more than $100 million.

Stephens research analyst Jack Atkins said in a note Monday that without an intervention from the Biden administration to “both force the Teamsters to the bargaining table and facilitate an injection of liquidity, we believe that Yellow could go bankrupt and shut down in the next 30-90 days.”

Yellow’s streamlining efforts stalled this year when the Teamsters said the company needed to open up its multiyear contract with the union, which expires at the end of March 2024, to proceed with the changes. The Teamsters, which represents 22,000 Yellow workers, said it could begin talks in August.

Yellow filed suit in a federal court in Kansas on June 27, accusing the Teamsters of blocking the operations changes. The company said the impasse so far has cost Yellow more than $137 million in lost adjusted earnings, before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization, and that the financial hit could push Yellow into liquidation as early as this summer.

Jodi Xu Klein contributed to this article.

Write to Paul Berger at [email protected]

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:36 pm
by PizzaSnake
Farfromgeneva wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:13 pm Last week or so but interesting because the govt took a stake in Yellow Roadways in Covid and I thought it was a joke. Punchline coming.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trucker-ye ... t-8f8553b8

Trucker Yellow Wins Reprieve from Lenders, Including U.S. Government

Agreements give troubled carrier more time to negotiate with International Brotherhood of Teamsters and streamline operations

Paul Berger

Trucking company Yellow gained a reprieve from lenders, including requirements under a federal government loan of $700 million in pandemic aid, as the company tries to reset its finances and restructure its operations.

Yellow, one of the country’s largest trucking companies, has been seeking to refinance about $1.3 billion in debt that must be repaid in 2024 while it seeks cooperation from the Teamsters union for structural changes aimed at better competing in a tough freight market.

Nashville, Tenn.-based Yellow, which employs 30,000 workers, recently warned it was running out of cash and earlier this year hired investment bank Ducera Partners to help refinance its debt. A Yellow official said refinancing efforts stalled in the spring when the Teamsters blocked the company’s operations overhaul.

The agreements with lenders allows “the company to focus completely on getting to the table with the International Brotherhood of Teamsters and having alignment on modernization of the company and increasing wages for union employees,” said Darren Hawkins, Yellow’s chief executive.

Yellow got the $700 million federal loan as part of a 2020 Covid-19 package for private industries. The Biden administration expects the loan to be repaid by September 2024, but it waived requirements that the company maintain certain financial targets through this year’s financial quarter that ended June 30, according to a Yellow filing on Monday with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Other lenders, led by Apollo Global Management, waived the financial requirements through Sept. 30 this year, according to the filing. That group is owed $567 million to be repaid in June 2024.

The agreements come with a slew of oversight requirements that include requiring Yellow to file weekly liquidity reports to the lenders along with weekly consolidated operating budgets. Yellow must also maintain liquidity above $35 million.

According to SJ Consulting, Yellow is the country’s third-largest operator in the less-than-truckload, or LTL, business, in which carriers haul shipments from multiple customers on the same truck between factories, warehouses and retail stores.

If Yellow goes out of business, SJ Consulting President Satish Jindel said the loss of trucking capacity is likely to raise shipping prices by mid-single to low-double digits for retailers and manufacturers.

Yellow has struggled financially for several years. Its cash holdings fell to $155 million at the end of March from $235 million at the end of December. Hawkins said that as of the end of June, the company had cash holdings of more than $100 million.

Stephens research analyst Jack Atkins said in a note Monday that without an intervention from the Biden administration to “both force the Teamsters to the bargaining table and facilitate an injection of liquidity, we believe that Yellow could go bankrupt and shut down in the next 30-90 days.”

Yellow’s streamlining efforts stalled this year when the Teamsters said the company needed to open up its multiyear contract with the union, which expires at the end of March 2024, to proceed with the changes. The Teamsters, which represents 22,000 Yellow workers, said it could begin talks in August.

Yellow filed suit in a federal court in Kansas on June 27, accusing the Teamsters of blocking the operations changes. The company said the impasse so far has cost Yellow more than $137 million in lost adjusted earnings, before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization, and that the financial hit could push Yellow into liquidation as early as this summer.

Jodi Xu Klein contributed to this article.

Write to Paul Berger at [email protected]
Apropos of your earlier comment re the trade of unrealistic pensions in return for wage concessions by manufacturers in the '60s, do you see a move towards more immediate pay and less deferred wampum?

"The agreements with lenders allows “the company to focus completely on getting to the table with the International Brotherhood of Teamsters and having alignment on modernization of the company and increasing wages for union employees,” said Darren Hawkins, Yellow’s chief executive."

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:37 pm
by PizzaSnake
JoeMauer89 wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:15 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:42 pm Ruh roh.

“Just as Chicago reels from a spate of shootings and carjackings, inequities exacerbated by the pandemic and high-profile corporate departures, its pension gap creates a financial burden that threatens its recovery and the mayor’s …

The situation makes for a cautionary tale for municipalities across the country facing long-neglected contributions and funding shortfalls. Already, the third-largest US city spends roughly $1 of every $5 on pensions, while more than 80% of property-tax dollars go toward retirement payouts.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ion-crisis

If these pensions fail, that should have an interesting impact on retirees’ finances. I wonder how many Villages denizens will be fcuked?
Do you live in Chicago? Just curious. :roll:

Joe
No.

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:49 pm
by Farfromgeneva
PizzaSnake wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:36 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:13 pm Last week or so but interesting because the govt took a stake in Yellow Roadways in Covid and I thought it was a joke. Punchline coming.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trucker-ye ... t-8f8553b8

Trucker Yellow Wins Reprieve from Lenders, Including U.S. Government

Agreements give troubled carrier more time to negotiate with International Brotherhood of Teamsters and streamline operations

Paul Berger

Trucking company Yellow gained a reprieve from lenders, including requirements under a federal government loan of $700 million in pandemic aid, as the company tries to reset its finances and restructure its operations.

Yellow, one of the country’s largest trucking companies, has been seeking to refinance about $1.3 billion in debt that must be repaid in 2024 while it seeks cooperation from the Teamsters union for structural changes aimed at better competing in a tough freight market.

Nashville, Tenn.-based Yellow, which employs 30,000 workers, recently warned it was running out of cash and earlier this year hired investment bank Ducera Partners to help refinance its debt. A Yellow official said refinancing efforts stalled in the spring when the Teamsters blocked the company’s operations overhaul.

The agreements with lenders allows “the company to focus completely on getting to the table with the International Brotherhood of Teamsters and having alignment on modernization of the company and increasing wages for union employees,” said Darren Hawkins, Yellow’s chief executive.

Yellow got the $700 million federal loan as part of a 2020 Covid-19 package for private industries. The Biden administration expects the loan to be repaid by September 2024, but it waived requirements that the company maintain certain financial targets through this year’s financial quarter that ended June 30, according to a Yellow filing on Monday with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Other lenders, led by Apollo Global Management, waived the financial requirements through Sept. 30 this year, according to the filing. That group is owed $567 million to be repaid in June 2024.

The agreements come with a slew of oversight requirements that include requiring Yellow to file weekly liquidity reports to the lenders along with weekly consolidated operating budgets. Yellow must also maintain liquidity above $35 million.

According to SJ Consulting, Yellow is the country’s third-largest operator in the less-than-truckload, or LTL, business, in which carriers haul shipments from multiple customers on the same truck between factories, warehouses and retail stores.

If Yellow goes out of business, SJ Consulting President Satish Jindel said the loss of trucking capacity is likely to raise shipping prices by mid-single to low-double digits for retailers and manufacturers.

Yellow has struggled financially for several years. Its cash holdings fell to $155 million at the end of March from $235 million at the end of December. Hawkins said that as of the end of June, the company had cash holdings of more than $100 million.

Stephens research analyst Jack Atkins said in a note Monday that without an intervention from the Biden administration to “both force the Teamsters to the bargaining table and facilitate an injection of liquidity, we believe that Yellow could go bankrupt and shut down in the next 30-90 days.”

Yellow’s streamlining efforts stalled this year when the Teamsters said the company needed to open up its multiyear contract with the union, which expires at the end of March 2024, to proceed with the changes. The Teamsters, which represents 22,000 Yellow workers, said it could begin talks in August.

Yellow filed suit in a federal court in Kansas on June 27, accusing the Teamsters of blocking the operations changes. The company said the impasse so far has cost Yellow more than $137 million in lost adjusted earnings, before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization, and that the financial hit could push Yellow into liquidation as early as this summer.

Jodi Xu Klein contributed to this article.

Write to Paul Berger at [email protected]
Apropos of your earlier comment re the trade of unrealistic pensions in return for wage concessions by manufacturers in the '60s, do you see a move towards more immediate pay and less deferred wampum?

"The agreements with lenders allows “the company to focus completely on getting to the table with the International Brotherhood of Teamsters and having alignment on modernization of the company and increasing wages for union employees,” said Darren Hawkins, Yellow’s chief executive."
I see it in banking in the last decade, higher bases lower bonuses. Now the kids don’t even want to work the hours misunderstanding that labor is the Capital in the investment banking world (ie no equipment, human Capital is the raw material) and as such needs to run more than 40-45hrs a week.

But yes I’m general it seems and I’ve seen everywhere outside of silicon valley. Challenge is for a few years the COL increases were minimal, 1-3% raises (not banking industrial businesses) and now w inflation theyre having to raise wages 4-7% on the average employee. Too many years of compounding that and businesses will be looking for cost savings in labor even more acutely.

From the unions I’ve seen they tend to negotiate like
Marie Antoinette and want both. I see some absurd things negotiated into IBEW contracts and in that space you’re either all union or no union so it’s challenging. Maybe that’s the nature of union life.

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2023 9:21 pm
by PizzaSnake
Farfromgeneva wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:49 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:36 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:13 pm Last week or so but interesting because the govt took a stake in Yellow Roadways in Covid and I thought it was a joke. Punchline coming.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trucker-ye ... t-8f8553b8

Trucker Yellow Wins Reprieve from Lenders, Including U.S. Government

Agreements give troubled carrier more time to negotiate with International Brotherhood of Teamsters and streamline operations

Apropos of your earlier comment re the trade of unrealistic pensions in return for wage concessions by manufacturers in the '60s, do you see a move towards more immediate pay and less deferred wampum?

"The agreements with lenders allows “the company to focus completely on getting to the table with the International Brotherhood of Teamsters and having alignment on modernization of the company and increasing wages for union employees,” said Darren Hawkins, Yellow’s chief executive."
I see it in banking in the last decade, higher bases lower bonuses. Now the kids don’t even want to work the hours misunderstanding that labor is the Capital in the investment banking world (ie no equipment, human Capital is the raw material) and as such needs to run more than 40-45hrs a week.



But yes I’m general it seems and I’ve seen everywhere outside of silicon valley. Challenge is for a few years the COL increases were minimal, 1-3% raises (not banking industrial businesses) and now w inflation theyre having to raise wages 4-7% on the average employee. Too many years of compounding that and businesses will be looking for cost savings in labor even more acutely.

From the unions I’ve seen they tend to negotiate like
Marie Antoinette and want both. I see some absurd things negotiated into IBEW contracts and in that space you’re either all union or no union so it’s challenging. Maybe that’s the nature of union life.
Over the past 3-4 years (COVID), or a longer trend?

If the latter, any thoughts on the lackawanna besetting them? To borrow your language re feedback loops, I think the disarray in the "traditional" model - work hard and get the golden retirement is leading more and more of them to eschew the entire bargain. Why work hard when the brass ring isn't even on offer anymore?

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2023 9:51 pm
by Farfromgeneva
PizzaSnake wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 9:21 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:49 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:36 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:13 pm Last week or so but interesting because the govt took a stake in Yellow Roadways in Covid and I thought it was a joke. Punchline coming.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trucker-ye ... t-8f8553b8

Trucker Yellow Wins Reprieve from Lenders, Including U.S. Government

Agreements give troubled carrier more time to negotiate with International Brotherhood of Teamsters and streamline operations

Apropos of your earlier comment re the trade of unrealistic pensions in return for wage concessions by manufacturers in the '60s, do you see a move towards more immediate pay and less deferred wampum?

"The agreements with lenders allows “the company to focus completely on getting to the table with the International Brotherhood of Teamsters and having alignment on modernization of the company and increasing wages for union employees,” said Darren Hawkins, Yellow’s chief executive."
I see it in banking in the last decade, higher bases lower bonuses. Now the kids don’t even want to work the hours misunderstanding that labor is the Capital in the investment banking world (ie no equipment, human Capital is the raw material) and as such needs to run more than 40-45hrs a week.



But yes I’m general it seems and I’ve seen everywhere outside of silicon valley. Challenge is for a few years the COL increases were minimal, 1-3% raises (not banking industrial businesses) and now w inflation theyre having to raise wages 4-7% on the average employee. Too many years of compounding that and businesses will be looking for cost savings in labor even more acutely.

From the unions I’ve seen they tend to negotiate like
Marie Antoinette and want both. I see some absurd things negotiated into IBEW contracts and in that space you’re either all union or no union so it’s challenging. Maybe that’s the nature of union life.
Over the past 3-4 years (COVID), or a longer trend?

If the latter, any thoughts on the lackawanna besetting them? To borrow your language re feedback loops, I think the disarray in the "traditional" model - work hard and get the golden retirement is leading more and more of them to eschew the entire bargain. Why work hard when the brass ring isn't even on offer anymore?
I’ve seen it since early last decade on the higher base wage, lower incentive comp so call it a decade or so. But my point was base wages are fixed comp, linear in nature and compound. Incentive is variable and tied to performance-individual, group/team, unit, LOB, subsidiary and parent/holding company. The higher raises for COL have just been last few years so my point is labor costs are rising faster recently under this changed “regime” or mix of base/bonus compensation and that’s somewhat untested at a time when cost of capital is rising as well (debt or equity but specifically interest expense).

I don’t have an answer. I’ve come far from where I came from with a lot of messes made along the way but I just run and run. Put in stupid hours, have a nice house but two weeks at sleepover camp for two kids feels painful when they start asking for a whole month at $900/week/kid I feel stressed when I was lucky to get a few years of one week of cheap 4H camp. I’m better at advising others than myself so I’m out of answers personally but keep banging my head against that wall because one thing I’ve learned is that a lot of success is staying in the game for the long haul and fighting through the troughs, a living example of cognitive dissonance. If what your suggesting is true it’s been true for a while and I’ve been blind to it, this wouldn’t even new now but I really do think the financial crisis was catalyst for a semi existential struggle in this country that’s different than prior concerns/issues.

What I do think is that effort, risk and reward have been so dislocated in our collective psyche that I don’t see a lot of people around me who act, work or live based on any logical rational. Not that much different than a heroin addict trying to perpetually chase that pink dragon.

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:36 pm
by Farfromgeneva
Popular subprime consumer finance “product” developed after the financial crisis by those “innovative” FinTech folks called earned wage access.

If not familiar here’s a definition/description (hint it’s basically payday advance lending which has been around in storefronts and other distribution methods for 20+ years):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earned_wage_access

Missouri Becomes Second State To Require EWA Licensure

Missouri followed in Nevada’s footsteps to become the second state in the country to enact a licensing requirement for earned wage access providers.

The law, which goes into effect on August 28, 2023, does not apply to banks, savings and loan associations, credit unions, or persons authorized to make loans under the laws of Missouri or the United States and who are already subject to supervision by Missouri or the United States.

The law’s requirements are quite similar to Nevada’s:

providers may not use credit reports or credit scores to determine eligibility
providers must clearly disclose all terms and fees associated with taking an advance
providers may disburse funds by any means mutually agreed to by consumers
providers must comply with other applicable local, state, and federal laws, including the Electronic Funds Transfer Act and its implementing rules, Reg E
providers that solicit, charge, or receive tips must make clear that such tips are voluntary and that the provision of services, including the size of any advance, is not contingent on users tipping; providers must refrain from misleading or deceiving consumers about the voluntary nature of tips; providers must refrain from making representations tips will benefit a specific person
providers may not charge interest on a consumer’s nonpayment
providers may not accept repayment of an advance via credit or charge card
providers may not share fees or tips with employers
providers, in certain circumstances, may be required to reimburse users if provider’s attempt to debit users’ accounts causes overdraft or NSF fees
providers may not report consumers’ nonpayment to credit or collections agencies or use third-party collectors or debt buyers
The law further clarifies that EWA services in Missouri in compliance with the requirements do not constitute loans nor money transmission in the state.

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:10 am
by Farfromgeneva
If the write off of student loans attempted by the White House wasn’t a giveaway to young voters then there’s no way they’d be allowing this to happen. So much for population maintaining and families accelerating or having more children in the future if this calculus is real that adults make child decisions based on existing or future debt. (I don’t think people make child decisions based on college or existing debt)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-siblin ... 4c?mod=mhp

The Sibling Discount Ends for College Financial Aid

New federal financial-aid formula will no longer take family size into account

Oyin Adedoyin
Parents paying tuition for two or more children in college stand to lose some financial aid under new government rules.

For years, the calculation for federal financial aid took into account a family’s income and assets, as well as the number of children attending school. The information, which parents plugged into the Free Application for Federal Student Aid form, or Fafsa, was used to determine how much a family could afford to pay annually, a number called the expected family contribution.

The Education Department divided that number by the number of college students in the family to estimate how much parents could contribute for each child. That per-child number determines each child’s eligibility for need-based federal financial aid.

Changes to the formula for the 2024-25 academic year intend to make more students eligible for federal aid like Pell grants. But that means parents won’t get a break for having multiple children in college since the new formula looks at family members individually instead of as a family unit, said Dana Kelly, vice president of professional development and institutional compliance at the National Association of Student Financial Aid Administrators.

Roughly one-third of dependent college students have a sibling in college, according to Phillip Levine, who studies the cost of higher education at the Brookings Institution, a nonprofit public-policy organization. Financial-aid experts say many families could now receive less government aid, or have to take out loans.

“The college-pricing system is going to change dramatically,” Levine said. “The majority of students are going to be eligible for a different amount of financial aid next year than they were last year,” he said, referring to the school year beginning fall of 2024.

New formula

The new Fafsa replaces the expected family contribution with a new calculation called the “Student Aid Index,” or SAI, to estimate how much a family can afford to pay. The new formula will no longer consider the number of siblings attending college when measuring a family’s ability to pay, said a spokesperson for the Education Department.

As an example, the current formula might determine that a family with one child in college could afford to pay $10,000 a year. If that same family had two children in college, the expected contribution would be cut in half to $5,000, increasing each student’s financial-aid eligibility.

Under the new Fafsa system, a family’s ability to pay isn’t divided per child, meaning that each student might be on the hook for more tuition, depending on the family’s income.

“They have adjusted things on the back end such that it is very student-specific,” said Kelly at the National Association of Student Financial Aid Administrators. “Rather than looking at the family as a whole, they are looking at each student individually.”.

Indie Pereira’s oldest child, Madeira Davis, is a 20-year-old junior at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga. Because she and her wife, Pari Bhatt, make a combined household income above $100,000, Madeira doesn’t qualify for federal financial aid. The couple was able to get a discount for Davis’s college education, since Bhatt works in the state school system. But Pereira was banking on the sibling discount when her other two children attend college.

Pereira’s other daughter, Eliza, has already told her that she would like to attend a community college, which is free for all adults in Tennessee. But she says her son, Xandre, wants to go to college out of state and she is bracing for the cost.

“If the expected family contribution is doubling, I’m not sure how we could afford to pay that without loans,” Pereira said.

Eligibility boost

Many students will have more access to federal financial-aid grants in the new system. The overhauled Fafsa will raise the family income threshold to qualify for the maximum Pell grant, making more students eligible, according to a report from the Brookings Institution.

For example, a family earning $70,000 a year with one child in college could get Pell money and qualify for additional college-specific aid under the new rules, the report said.

Financial-aid officers say they are expecting calls from confused parents and students once the new Fafsa rolls out in December. They have started to make calculations of their own to anticipate how financial-aid eligibility might change for current students.

Brad Barnett, associate vice president for access and enrollment management and financial aid director at James Madison University, said the new Fafsa will make college aid more predictable in the long run.

“As long as a family’s income stays relatively the same, then any need-based financial aid that a student is offered in the new world will likely remain pretty stable during the student’s school career,” he said.

Write to Oyin Adedoyin at [email protected]

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:41 pm
by a fan
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:10 am Pereira’s other daughter, Eliza, has already told her that she would like to attend a community college, which is free for all adults in Tennessee.
Tip of the hat to Tennessee! That's great to hear.