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Re: Sensible Gun Control
Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:35 pm
by RedFromMI
3rdPersonPlural wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:30 pm
Box cutters were designed to open boxes. They can poke holes in people, sure, but that's not their principal purpose.
Knives are designed to cut things. Your survival knife is not primarily a murder weapon. It is to cut stuff. Try to make a nice meal sometime without using your kitchen knives. These tools are not primarily for killing people.
Guns aren't designed for anything except mortally wounding people. Surely you see this?
Everyone lived here as well...
Re: Sensible Gun Control
Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:41 pm
by MDlaxfan76
RedFromMI wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:35 pm
3rdPersonPlural wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:30 pm
Box cutters were designed to open boxes. They can poke holes in people, sure, but that's not their principal purpose.
Knives are designed to cut things. Your survival knife is not primarily a murder weapon. It is to cut stuff. Try to make a nice meal sometime without using your kitchen knives. These tools are not primarily for killing people.
Guns aren't designed for anything except mortally wounding people. Surely you see this?
Everyone lived here as well...
Exactly...no deaths caused by the various stabbings...why?
Because it's a heck of a lot harder to stab someone to death (obviously possible) than it is to blow holes through people with a gun. Any fool can do the latter. Need a lot of skill or considerable time (many stabs) to do it with a knife, box cutter, etc.
Moreover someone with even a modicum of skill/practice can destroy many, many lives, very fast with an AR.
Re: Sensible Gun Control
Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:27 pm
by ardilla secreta
Has anyone been stabbed to death from a moving car or from the roof of a building?
Re: Sensible Gun Control
Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:40 pm
by Farfromgeneva
No but it does remind me of this funny clip that happened in Atlanta recently
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/clayto ... /957381743
Re: Sensible Gun Control
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:39 pm
by holmes435
Knives killed 5x more people than rifles in 2018
according to the FBI
Re: Sensible Gun Control
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:08 pm
by youthathletics
Certainly a bunch more than rifles...which includes the assault type which seem to always be listed.
Re: Sensible Gun Control
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:44 pm
by RedFromMI
youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:08 pm
Certainly a bunch more than rifles...which includes the assault type which seem to always be listed.
Pistols are the weapons of choice for most killings, yes, but assault type weapons are the choice for large scale mass shootings.
Re: Sensible Gun Control
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:09 pm
by MDlaxfan76
youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:08 pm
Certainly a bunch more than rifles...which includes the assault type which seem to always be listed.
small nit, the rifle data ignores this additional piece.
Firearms,
type not stated 1,900 2,314 2,891 3,121 2,963
Knives or cutting instruments 1,545 1,525 1,558 1,609 1,515
Here's your total firearms:
Total firearms: 7,803 9,103 10,372 11,006 10,265
Re: Sensible Gun Control
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:06 pm
by holmes435
True, but if you go by the existing percentages of types of guns used and extrapolate with the "Type not stated", you may get a total of ~557 deaths by rifles (including ARs) vs. 1515 deaths by knife in 2018
I guess my main two points were that knives are still very deadly and kill a lot of people, and that all the focus on AR's isn't going to change much, if anything at all.
Re: Sensible Gun Control
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:50 pm
by kramerica.inc
3rdPersonPlural wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:30 pm
Box cutters were designed to open boxes. They can poke holes in people, sure, but that's not their principal purpose.
Knives are designed to cut things. Your survival knife is not primarily a murder weapon. It is to cut stuff. Try to make a nice meal sometime without using your kitchen knives. These tools are not primarily for killing people.
Guns aren't designed for anything except mortally wounding people. Surely you see this?
Your narrow focus on guns doesn’t allow you to see they are used for recreation, sport and game hunting.
Conversely, there are knives made for easily filleting and hurting people and animals. Perhaps we start with a ban on those first?
Re: Sensible Gun Control
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:11 pm
by MDlaxfan76
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:50 pm
3rdPersonPlural wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:30 pm
Box cutters were designed to open boxes. They can poke holes in people, sure, but that's not their principal purpose.
Knives are designed to cut things. Your survival knife is not primarily a murder weapon. It is to cut stuff. Try to make a nice meal sometime without using your kitchen knives. These tools are not primarily for killing people.
Guns aren't designed for anything except mortally wounding people. Surely you see this?
Your narrow focus on guns doesn’t allow you to see they are used for recreation, sport and game hunting.
Conversely, there are knives made for easily filleting and hurting people and animals. Perhaps we start with a ban on those first?
Kramerica, as a life long hunter and gun owner, I'm quite offended by your suggestion that the guns most dangerous to people, designed to kill people specifically, have a darn thing to do with hunting.
Re: Sensible Gun Control
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:12 pm
by MDlaxfan76
holmes435 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:06 pm
True, but if you go by the existing percentages of types of guns used and extrapolate with the "Type not stated", you may get a total of ~557 deaths by rifles (including ARs) vs. 1515 deaths by knife in 2018
I guess my main two points were that knives are still very deadly and kill a lot of people, and that all the focus on AR's isn't going to change much, if anything at all.
Which would you prefer for killing 10, 20, 30 people in 10 mins?
"let's start there"
Re: Sensible Gun Control
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:33 pm
by ardilla secreta
What was the name of the school where 30 kids were killed by an intruder with a knife?
Re: Sensible Gun Control
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:07 pm
by foreverlax
ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:33 pm
What was the name of the school where 30 kids were killed by an intruder with a knife?
Nah, that was the knifing spree in Vegas. Dude had crazy skilz.
Re: Sensible Gun Control
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:23 pm
by SCLaxAttack
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:12 pm
holmes435 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:06 pm
True, but if you go by the existing percentages of types of guns used and extrapolate with the "Type not stated", you may get a total of ~557 deaths by rifles (including ARs) vs. 1515 deaths by knife in 2018
I guess my main two points were that knives are still very deadly and kill a lot of people, and that all the focus on AR's isn't going to change much, if anything at all.
Which would you prefer for killing 10, 20, 30 people in 10 mins?
"let's start there"
A moving vehicle.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnew ... cna1059421
Re: Sensible Gun Control
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:54 pm
by holmes435
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:12 pm
holmes435 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:06 pm
True, but if you go by the existing percentages of types of guns used and extrapolate with the "Type not stated", you may get a total of ~557 deaths by rifles (including ARs) vs. 1515 deaths by knife in 2018
I guess my main two points were that knives are still very deadly and kill a lot of people, and that all the focus on AR's isn't going to change much, if anything at all.
Which would you prefer for killing 10, 20, 30 people in 10 mins?
"let's start there"
I'd prefer we look at facts and stats.
A legal machine gun can kill hundreds in a minute, but in reality its kill rate is rarer than getting struck by lightning in the USA. Civilians can make large bombs that can kill hundreds in a second. Civilians can fly planes into buildings that can kill thousands in 10 minutes. A truck can kill 30 people in a minute.
Let's start at the biggest difference we can make. What's able to kill, and what actually kills in today's America? Please give me a breakdown before you "start there" as to what actually kills us. And include hamburgers. I'm serious.
Re: Sensible Gun Control
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:12 am
by Typical Lax Dad
holmes435 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:54 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:12 pm
holmes435 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:06 pm
True, but if you go by the existing percentages of types of guns used and extrapolate with the "Type not stated", you may get a total of ~557 deaths by rifles (including ARs) vs. 1515 deaths by knife in 2018
I guess my main two points were that knives are still very deadly and kill a lot of people, and that all the focus on AR's isn't going to change much, if anything at all.
Which would you prefer for killing 10, 20, 30 people in 10 mins?
"let's start there"
I'd prefer we look at facts and stats.
A legal machine gun can kill hundreds in a minute, but in reality its kill rate is rarer than getting struck by lightning in the USA. Civilians can make large bombs that can kill hundreds in a second. Civilians can fly planes into buildings that can kill thousands in 10 minutes. A truck can kill 30 people in a minute.
Let's start at the biggest difference we can make. What's able to kill, and what actually kills in today's America? Please give me a breakdown before you "start there" as to what actually kills us. And include hamburgers. I'm serious.
Let’s start with changing the gun culture and then work to reduce handguns.
Re: Sensible Gun Control
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:15 am
by Typical Lax Dad
Re: Sensible Gun Control
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:21 am
by youthathletics
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:12 am
holmes435 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:54 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:12 pm
holmes435 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:06 pm
True, but if you go by the existing percentages of types of guns used and extrapolate with the "Type not stated", you may get a total of ~557 deaths by rifles (including ARs) vs. 1515 deaths by knife in 2018
I guess my main two points were that knives are still very deadly and kill a lot of people, and that all the focus on AR's isn't going to change much, if anything at all.
Which would you prefer for killing 10, 20, 30 people in 10 mins?
"let's start there"
I'd prefer we look at facts and stats.
A legal machine gun can kill hundreds in a minute, but in reality its kill rate is rarer than getting struck by lightning in the USA. Civilians can make large bombs that can kill hundreds in a second. Civilians can fly planes into buildings that can kill thousands in 10 minutes. A truck can kill 30 people in a minute.
Let's start at the biggest difference we can make. What's able to kill, and what actually kills in today's America? Please give me a breakdown before you "start there" as to what actually kills us. And include hamburgers. I'm serious.
Let’s start with changing the gun culture and then work to reduce handguns.
Agreed....and it starts on television, the news, and in the movies. Ban gun display on all forms of media.
Re: Sensible Gun Control
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:35 am
by Typical Lax Dad
youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:21 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:12 am
holmes435 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:54 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:12 pm
holmes435 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:06 pm
True, but if you go by the existing percentages of types of guns used and extrapolate with the "Type not stated", you may get a total of ~557 deaths by rifles (including ARs) vs. 1515 deaths by knife in 2018
I guess my main two points were that knives are still very deadly and kill a lot of people, and that all the focus on AR's isn't going to change much, if anything at all.
Which would you prefer for killing 10, 20, 30 people in 10 mins?
"let's start there"
I'd prefer we look at facts and stats.
A legal machine gun can kill hundreds in a minute, but in reality its kill rate is rarer than getting struck by lightning in the USA. Civilians can make large bombs that can kill hundreds in a second. Civilians can fly planes into buildings that can kill thousands in 10 minutes. A truck can kill 30 people in a minute.
Let's start at the biggest difference we can make. What's able to kill, and what actually kills in today's America? Please give me a breakdown before you "start there" as to what actually kills us. And include hamburgers. I'm serious.
Let’s start with changing the gun culture and then work to reduce handguns.
Agreed....and it starts on television, the news, and in the movies. Ban gun display on all forms of media.
It would actually help. The mass media influences people whether they believe it or not.