Sensible Gun Safety

[RedFromMI]

Another mass stabbing. This time in a Baltimore suburb. With a box cutter.

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2019/09/ ... on-latest/

That on the heels of the mass stabbing in Florida, from a crazed pen-knife-man:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tallah ... 2290244001

When will we ban these horrible instruments of terror?

Box cutters were designed to open boxes. They can poke holes in people, sure, but that's not their principal purpose.

Knives are designed to cut things. Your survival knife is not primarily a murder weapon. It is to cut stuff. Try to make a nice meal sometime without using your kitchen knives. These tools are not primarily for killing people.

Guns aren't designed for anything except mortally wounding people. Surely you see this?

Everyone lived here as well...

[MDlaxfan76]

Another mass stabbing. This time in a Baltimore suburb. With a box cutter.

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2019/09/ ... on-latest/

That on the heels of the mass stabbing in Florida, from a crazed pen-knife-man:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tallah ... 2290244001

When will we ban these horrible instruments of terror?

Box cutters were designed to open boxes. They can poke holes in people, sure, but that's not their principal purpose.

Knives are designed to cut things. Your survival knife is not primarily a murder weapon. It is to cut stuff. Try to make a nice meal sometime without using your kitchen knives. These tools are not primarily for killing people.

Guns aren't designed for anything except mortally wounding people. Surely you see this?

Everyone lived here as well...

Exactly...no deaths caused by the various stabbings...why?
Because it's a heck of a lot harder to stab someone to death (obviously possible) than it is to blow holes through people with a gun. Any fool can do the latter. Need a lot of skill or considerable time (many stabs) to do it with a knife, box cutter, etc.

Moreover someone with even a modicum of skill/practice can destroy many, many lives, very fast with an AR.

[ardilla secreta]

Has anyone been stabbed to death from a moving car or from the roof of a building?

[Farfromgeneva]

No but it does remind me of this funny clip that happened in Atlanta recently

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/clayto ... /957381743

[holmes435]

Knives killed 5x more people than rifles in 2018 according to the FBI

[youthathletics]

Knives killed 5x more people than rifles in 2018 according to the FBI

Certainly a bunch more than rifles...which includes the assault type which seem to always be listed.

[RedFromMI]

Knives killed 5x more people than rifles in 2018 according to the FBI

Certainly a bunch more than rifles...which includes the assault type which seem to always be listed.

Pistols are the weapons of choice for most killings, yes, but assault type weapons are the choice for large scale mass shootings.

[MDlaxfan76]

Knives killed 5x more people than rifles in 2018 according to the FBI

Certainly a bunch more than rifles...which includes the assault type which seem to always be listed.

small nit, the rifle data ignores this additional piece.
Firearms, type not stated 1,900 2,314 2,891 3,121 2,963
Knives or cutting instruments 1,545 1,525 1,558 1,609 1,515

Here's your total firearms:
Total firearms: 7,803 9,103 10,372 11,006 10,265

[holmes435]

True, but if you go by the existing percentages of types of guns used and extrapolate with the "Type not stated", you may get a total of ~557 deaths by rifles (including ARs) vs. 1515 deaths by knife in 2018

I guess my main two points were that knives are still very deadly and kill a lot of people, and that all the focus on AR's isn't going to change much, if anything at all.

[kramerica.inc]

Another mass stabbing. This time in a Baltimore suburb. With a box cutter.

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2019/09/ ... on-latest/

That on the heels of the mass stabbing in Florida, from a crazed pen-knife-man:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tallah ... 2290244001

When will we ban these horrible instruments of terror?

Box cutters were designed to open boxes. They can poke holes in people, sure, but that's not their principal purpose.

Knives are designed to cut things. Your survival knife is not primarily a murder weapon. It is to cut stuff. Try to make a nice meal sometime without using your kitchen knives. These tools are not primarily for killing people.

Guns aren't designed for anything except mortally wounding people. Surely you see this?

Your narrow focus on guns doesn’t allow you to see they are used for recreation, sport and game hunting.

Conversely, there are knives made for easily filleting and hurting people and animals. Perhaps we start with a ban on those first?

[MDlaxfan76]

Another mass stabbing. This time in a Baltimore suburb. With a box cutter.

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2019/09/ ... on-latest/

That on the heels of the mass stabbing in Florida, from a crazed pen-knife-man:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tallah ... 2290244001

When will we ban these horrible instruments of terror?

Box cutters were designed to open boxes. They can poke holes in people, sure, but that's not their principal purpose.

Knives are designed to cut things. Your survival knife is not primarily a murder weapon. It is to cut stuff. Try to make a nice meal sometime without using your kitchen knives. These tools are not primarily for killing people.

Guns aren't designed for anything except mortally wounding people. Surely you see this?

Your narrow focus on guns doesn’t allow you to see they are used for recreation, sport and game hunting.

Conversely, there are knives made for easily filleting and hurting people and animals. Perhaps we start with a ban on those first?

Kramerica, as a life long hunter and gun owner, I'm quite offended by your suggestion that the guns most dangerous to people, designed to kill people specifically, have a darn thing to do with hunting.

[MDlaxfan76]

True, but if you go by the existing percentages of types of guns used and extrapolate with the "Type not stated", you may get a total of ~557 deaths by rifles (including ARs) vs. 1515 deaths by knife in 2018

I guess my main two points were that knives are still very deadly and kill a lot of people, and that all the focus on AR's isn't going to change much, if anything at all.

Which would you prefer for killing 10, 20, 30 people in 10 mins?

"let's start there"

[ardilla secreta]

What was the name of the school where 30 kids were killed by an intruder with a knife?

[foreverlax]

What was the name of the school where 30 kids were killed by an intruder with a knife?

Nah, that was the knifing spree in Vegas. Dude had crazy skilz.

[SCLaxAttack]

True, but if you go by the existing percentages of types of guns used and extrapolate with the "Type not stated", you may get a total of ~557 deaths by rifles (including ARs) vs. 1515 deaths by knife in 2018

I guess my main two points were that knives are still very deadly and kill a lot of people, and that all the focus on AR's isn't going to change much, if anything at all.

Which would you prefer for killing 10, 20, 30 people in 10 mins?

"let's start there"

A moving vehicle.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnew ... cna1059421

[holmes435]

True, but if you go by the existing percentages of types of guns used and extrapolate with the "Type not stated", you may get a total of ~557 deaths by rifles (including ARs) vs. 1515 deaths by knife in 2018

I guess my main two points were that knives are still very deadly and kill a lot of people, and that all the focus on AR's isn't going to change much, if anything at all.

Which would you prefer for killing 10, 20, 30 people in 10 mins?

"let's start there"

I'd prefer we look at facts and stats.

A legal machine gun can kill hundreds in a minute, but in reality its kill rate is rarer than getting struck by lightning in the USA. Civilians can make large bombs that can kill hundreds in a second. Civilians can fly planes into buildings that can kill thousands in 10 minutes. A truck can kill 30 people in a minute.

Let's start at the biggest difference we can make. What's able to kill, and what actually kills in today's America? Please give me a breakdown before you "start there" as to what actually kills us. And include hamburgers. I'm serious.

[Typical Lax Dad]

True, but if you go by the existing percentages of types of guns used and extrapolate with the "Type not stated", you may get a total of ~557 deaths by rifles (including ARs) vs. 1515 deaths by knife in 2018

I guess my main two points were that knives are still very deadly and kill a lot of people, and that all the focus on AR's isn't going to change much, if anything at all.

Which would you prefer for killing 10, 20, 30 people in 10 mins?

"let's start there"

I'd prefer we look at facts and stats.

A legal machine gun can kill hundreds in a minute, but in reality its kill rate is rarer than getting struck by lightning in the USA. Civilians can make large bombs that can kill hundreds in a second. Civilians can fly planes into buildings that can kill thousands in 10 minutes. A truck can kill 30 people in a minute.

Let's start at the biggest difference we can make. What's able to kill, and what actually kills in today's America? Please give me a breakdown before you "start there" as to what actually kills us. And include hamburgers. I'm serious.

Let’s start with changing the gun culture and then work to reduce handguns.

[Typical Lax Dad]

One for the good guys...

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/09/30/us/tex ... cnn.com%2F

[youthathletics]

True, but if you go by the existing percentages of types of guns used and extrapolate with the "Type not stated", you may get a total of ~557 deaths by rifles (including ARs) vs. 1515 deaths by knife in 2018

I guess my main two points were that knives are still very deadly and kill a lot of people, and that all the focus on AR's isn't going to change much, if anything at all.

Which would you prefer for killing 10, 20, 30 people in 10 mins?

"let's start there"

I'd prefer we look at facts and stats.

A legal machine gun can kill hundreds in a minute, but in reality its kill rate is rarer than getting struck by lightning in the USA. Civilians can make large bombs that can kill hundreds in a second. Civilians can fly planes into buildings that can kill thousands in 10 minutes. A truck can kill 30 people in a minute.

Let's start at the biggest difference we can make. What's able to kill, and what actually kills in today's America? Please give me a breakdown before you "start there" as to what actually kills us. And include hamburgers. I'm serious.

Let’s start with changing the gun culture and then work to reduce handguns.

Agreed....and it starts on television, the news, and in the movies. Ban gun display on all forms of media.

[Typical Lax Dad]

True, but if you go by the existing percentages of types of guns used and extrapolate with the "Type not stated", you may get a total of ~557 deaths by rifles (including ARs) vs. 1515 deaths by knife in 2018

I guess my main two points were that knives are still very deadly and kill a lot of people, and that all the focus on AR's isn't going to change much, if anything at all.

Which would you prefer for killing 10, 20, 30 people in 10 mins?

"let's start there"

I'd prefer we look at facts and stats.

A legal machine gun can kill hundreds in a minute, but in reality its kill rate is rarer than getting struck by lightning in the USA. Civilians can make large bombs that can kill hundreds in a second. Civilians can fly planes into buildings that can kill thousands in 10 minutes. A truck can kill 30 people in a minute.

Let's start at the biggest difference we can make. What's able to kill, and what actually kills in today's America? Please give me a breakdown before you "start there" as to what actually kills us. And include hamburgers. I'm serious.

Let’s start with changing the gun culture and then work to reduce handguns.

Agreed....and it starts on television, the news, and in the movies. Ban gun display on all forms of media.

It would actually help. The mass media influences people whether they believe it or not.