Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 9:08 am
What's old is new again. Columbia and others divested after these protests.
YepNattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 9:08 am What's old is new again. Columbia and others divested after these protests.
Far right and far left? Same freaking thing. As you said, I wish they'd shut the F up and go away.youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 12:23 pm NOw they want you to wear wristbands. Maybe they could go to 'Arm Bands" like another group did in history?
https://x.com/SiaKordestani/status/1785397163662745610
Agreed.....and AOC is encouraging the mayor and police to stand down...(shocker I know). Encouraging the inmates to run the asylum.a fan wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 12:28 pmFar right and far left? Same freaking thing. As you said, I wish they'd shut the F up and go away.youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 12:23 pm NOw they want you to wear wristbands. Maybe they could go to 'Arm Bands" like another group did in history?
https://x.com/SiaKordestani/status/1785397163662745610
Edit to add: UCLA just canceled classes.
Arrest any of these wankers for disturbing classes. Jail them until the semester is over, or sign a restraining order keeping them off campus.
Keep swimming against the tide…youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 1:25 pmAgreed.....and AOC is encouraging the mayor and police to stand down...(shocker I know). Encouraging the inmates to run the asylum.a fan wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 12:28 pmFar right and far left? Same freaking thing. As you said, I wish they'd shut the F up and go away.youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 12:23 pm NOw they want you to wear wristbands. Maybe they could go to 'Arm Bands" like another group did in history?
https://x.com/SiaKordestani/status/1785397163662745610
Edit to add: UCLA just canceled classes.
Arrest any of these wankers for disturbing classes. Jail them until the semester is over, or sign a restraining order keeping them off campus.
Don't care who it is, or what the cause is....keeping your fellow students from getting their education ain't cool.PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 1:59 pmKeep swimming against the tide…youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 1:25 pmAgreed.....and AOC is encouraging the mayor and police to stand down...(shocker I know). Encouraging the inmates to run the asylum.a fan wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 12:28 pmFar right and far left? Same freaking thing. As you said, I wish they'd shut the F up and go away.youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 12:23 pm NOw they want you to wear wristbands. Maybe they could go to 'Arm Bands" like another group did in history?
https://x.com/SiaKordestani/status/1785397163662745610
Edit to add: UCLA just canceled classes.
Arrest any of these wankers for disturbing classes. Jail them until the semester is over, or sign a restraining order keeping them off campus.
Curious how the same patterns repeat. And every cohort thinks they’re original.
Given the numbers in the current population, the rate of change seems….incremental, at best.
Better hope Gen Z doesn’t hold a grudge, cause the demographic sun is starting to set on the Boomers and early Xers. Or is that the thrust of 2025? Permanent rule by the soon-to-be minority?
Conjecture or is there some factual basis? If factual, what is sample size and mechanism?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 2:30 pm Civil disobedience has an honorable history in the USA.
Vandalism not so honorable, violence not so honorable.
Seems to me that differentiation matters. Just as not all 10,000 on Jan 6 did more than trespass on restricted outdoor grounds, and perhaps chant stupid or hateful things, so too most of these protesters have not done worse as well.
But like many other such events, some do worse. And some much worse. And deserve appropriate repercussions, whether within an educational community, which is a matter of privilege not right, or criminally.
Certainly there would be justification to treat those from outside the college community differently than those within. They are criminally trespassing if don’t leave on request, whereas a college student really isn’t though they may be breaching code of conduct or other rules of campus. Vandalism and violence are criminal, period.
Certainly, attempts to deescalate are preferable as long as that effort is not abused by those seeking to escalate. But trying to do so is important when the ultimate power is so unbalanced. So, at least try, while being clear eyed about who the opposition to such efforts may be.
In this matter, apparently there are not insignificant numbers of agitators and participants who are not students of that campus nor any direct connection.
Clear those out.
History. The Pro-Palestinian "from the river to the sea" thing didn't arrive on campus ten minutes ago. Also, arrest records showing non-students.PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:03 pmConjecture or is there some factual basis? If factual, what is sample size and mechanism?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 2:30 pm Civil disobedience has an honorable history in the USA.
Vandalism not so honorable, violence not so honorable.
Seems to me that differentiation matters. Just as not all 10,000 on Jan 6 did more than trespass on restricted outdoor grounds, and perhaps chant stupid or hateful things, so too most of these protesters have not done worse as well.
But like many other such events, some do worse. And some much worse. And deserve appropriate repercussions, whether within an educational community, which is a matter of privilege not right, or criminally.
Certainly there would be justification to treat those from outside the college community differently than those within. They are criminally trespassing if don’t leave on request, whereas a college student really isn’t though they may be breaching code of conduct or other rules of campus. Vandalism and violence are criminal, period.
Certainly, attempts to deescalate are preferable as long as that effort is not abused by those seeking to escalate. But trying to do so is important when the ultimate power is so unbalanced. So, at least try, while being clear eyed about who the opposition to such efforts may be.
In this matter, apparently there are not insignificant numbers of agitators and participants who are not students of that campus nor any direct connection.
Clear those out.
So, arrest records? Sample size? How were individuals selected for arrest?a fan wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:15 pmHistory. The Pro-Palestinian "from the river to the sea" thing didn't arrive on campus ten minutes ago. Also, arrest records showing non-students.PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:03 pmConjecture or is there some factual basis? If factual, what is sample size and mechanism?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 2:30 pm Civil disobedience has an honorable history in the USA.
Vandalism not so honorable, violence not so honorable.
Seems to me that differentiation matters. Just as not all 10,000 on Jan 6 did more than trespass on restricted outdoor grounds, and perhaps chant stupid or hateful things, so too most of these protesters have not done worse as well.
But like many other such events, some do worse. And some much worse. And deserve appropriate repercussions, whether within an educational community, which is a matter of privilege not right, or criminally.
Certainly there would be justification to treat those from outside the college community differently than those within. They are criminally trespassing if don’t leave on request, whereas a college student really isn’t though they may be breaching code of conduct or other rules of campus. Vandalism and violence are criminal, period.
Certainly, attempts to deescalate are preferable as long as that effort is not abused by those seeking to escalate. But trying to do so is important when the ultimate power is so unbalanced. So, at least try, while being clear eyed about who the opposition to such efforts may be.
In this matter, apparently there are not insignificant numbers of agitators and participants who are not students of that campus nor any direct connection.
Clear those out.
So sure of co-option? Maybe, maybe not. Without the rites of financial passage such as marriage, children, mortgage, perhaps the blinders of complacency will not arrive.a fan wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 2:27 pmDon't care who it is, or what the cause is....keeping your fellow students from getting their education ain't cool.PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 1:59 pmKeep swimming against the tide…youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 1:25 pmAgreed.....and AOC is encouraging the mayor and police to stand down...(shocker I know). Encouraging the inmates to run the asylum.a fan wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 12:28 pmFar right and far left? Same freaking thing. As you said, I wish they'd shut the F up and go away.youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 12:23 pm NOw they want you to wear wristbands. Maybe they could go to 'Arm Bands" like another group did in history?
https://x.com/SiaKordestani/status/1785397163662745610
Edit to add: UCLA just canceled classes.
Arrest any of these wankers for disturbing classes. Jail them until the semester is over, or sign a restraining order keeping them off campus.
Curious how the same patterns repeat. And every cohort thinks they’re original.
Given the numbers in the current population, the rate of change seems….incremental, at best.
Better hope Gen Z doesn’t hold a grudge, cause the demographic sun is starting to set on the Boomers and early Xers. Or is that the thrust of 2025? Permanent rule by the soon-to-be minority?
I have plenty of gripes. But I'm not going to keep you from working or getting your education to voice my concerns.
These handful----handful---of protesters in no way rep Gen Z. Not even close.
And when these students graduate from these top schools? They're going to spend all their time getting a good job, and this stuff will be a "remember when we....." story.
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:26 pmSo, arrest records? Sample size? How were individuals selected for arrest?a fan wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:15 pmHistory. The Pro-Palestinian "from the river to the sea" thing didn't arrive on campus ten minutes ago. Also, arrest records showing non-students.PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:03 pmConjecture or is there some factual basis? If factual, what is sample size and mechanism?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 2:30 pm Civil disobedience has an honorable history in the USA.
Vandalism not so honorable, violence not so honorable.
Seems to me that differentiation matters. Just as not all 10,000 on Jan 6 did more than trespass on restricted outdoor grounds, and perhaps chant stupid or hateful things, so too most of these protesters have not done worse as well.
But like many other such events, some do worse. And some much worse. And deserve appropriate repercussions, whether within an educational community, which is a matter of privilege not right, or criminally.
Certainly there would be justification to treat those from outside the college community differently than those within. They are criminally trespassing if don’t leave on request, whereas a college student really isn’t though they may be breaching code of conduct or other rules of campus. Vandalism and violence are criminal, period.
Certainly, attempts to deescalate are preferable as long as that effort is not abused by those seeking to escalate. But trying to do so is important when the ultimate power is so unbalanced. So, at least try, while being clear eyed about who the opposition to such efforts may be.
In this matter, apparently there are not insignificant numbers of agitators and participants who are not students of that campus nor any direct connection.
Clear those out.
Without knowing these and more, there is no basis for conclusory statements.
By the by, I do not condone agitation, but, who gets to define what agitation is versus a shared perspective?
You? Me?
By your logic, were the non-violent civil rights protestors of the ‘60s guilty and subject to beatings, arrest and detention for say, the crime of impeding commerce in the areas of the protest?
Need to be careful where the lines are drawn.
Ok. Don't believe me. Lived directly adjacent----directly-----to College Campus for a decade. BAMN (a from the river to the sea group) was there, and had been there for a while way back in 1999. There is infrastructure and history for this crew. They aren't spring chickens, and this is in no way a thing that started just weeks ago.PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:26 pm So, arrest records? Sample size? How were individuals selected for arrest?
Without knowing these and more, there is no basis for conclusory statements.
Is this a serious question?PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:26 pm By the by, I do not condone agitation, but, who gets to define what agitation is versus a shared perspective?
You? Me?
They weren't beaten, arrested, etc. "because they impeded commerce", and you know it. One has nothing to do with the other. They were beaten because they had the gall to be Black Americans, asking to be treated as Americans.PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:26 pm By your logic, were the non-violent civil rights protestors of the ‘60s guilty and subject to beatings, arrest and detention for say, the crime of impeding commerce in the areas of the protest?
We're a nation of laws, not men. Do you not agree? I'd rather have that, than you or I getting the power to decide where the line is. Because that's literally what happened in the South during the Civil Rights movement: racist individuals deciding, as you put it, "where the line is".
I see no windmills here.JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:56 pmPizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:26 pmSo, arrest records? Sample size? How were individuals selected for arrest?a fan wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:15 pmHistory. The Pro-Palestinian "from the river to the sea" thing didn't arrive on campus ten minutes ago. Also, arrest records showing non-students.PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:03 pmConjecture or is there some factual basis? If factual, what is sample size and mechanism?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 2:30 pm Civil disobedience has an honorable history in the USA.
Vandalism not so honorable, violence not so honorable.
Seems to me that differentiation matters. Just as not all 10,000 on Jan 6 did more than trespass on restricted outdoor grounds, and perhaps chant stupid or hateful things, so too most of these protesters have not done worse as well.
But like many other such events, some do worse. And some much worse. And deserve appropriate repercussions, whether within an educational community, which is a matter of privilege not right, or criminally.
Certainly there would be justification to treat those from outside the college community differently than those within. They are criminally trespassing if don’t leave on request, whereas a college student really isn’t though they may be breaching code of conduct or other rules of campus. Vandalism and violence are criminal, period.
Certainly, attempts to deescalate are preferable as long as that effort is not abused by those seeking to escalate. But trying to do so is important when the ultimate power is so unbalanced. So, at least try, while being clear eyed about who the opposition to such efforts may be.
In this matter, apparently there are not insignificant numbers of agitators and participants who are not students of that campus nor any direct connection.
Clear those out.
Without knowing these and more, there is no basis for conclusory statements.
By the by, I do not condone agitation, but, who gets to define what agitation is versus a shared perspective?
You? Me?
By your logic, were the non-violent civil rights protestors of the ‘60s guilty and subject to beatings, arrest and detention for say, the crime of impeding commerce in the areas of the protest?
Need to be careful where the lines are drawn.
Quixotic.
Joe
Wretched. That work better?PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 4:10 pmI see no windmills here.JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:56 pmPizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:26 pmSo, arrest records? Sample size? How were individuals selected for arrest?a fan wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:15 pmHistory. The Pro-Palestinian "from the river to the sea" thing didn't arrive on campus ten minutes ago. Also, arrest records showing non-students.PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:03 pmConjecture or is there some factual basis? If factual, what is sample size and mechanism?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 2:30 pm Civil disobedience has an honorable history in the USA.
Vandalism not so honorable, violence not so honorable.
Seems to me that differentiation matters. Just as not all 10,000 on Jan 6 did more than trespass on restricted outdoor grounds, and perhaps chant stupid or hateful things, so too most of these protesters have not done worse as well.
But like many other such events, some do worse. And some much worse. And deserve appropriate repercussions, whether within an educational community, which is a matter of privilege not right, or criminally.
Certainly there would be justification to treat those from outside the college community differently than those within. They are criminally trespassing if don’t leave on request, whereas a college student really isn’t though they may be breaching code of conduct or other rules of campus. Vandalism and violence are criminal, period.
Certainly, attempts to deescalate are preferable as long as that effort is not abused by those seeking to escalate. But trying to do so is important when the ultimate power is so unbalanced. So, at least try, while being clear eyed about who the opposition to such efforts may be.
In this matter, apparently there are not insignificant numbers of agitators and participants who are not students of that campus nor any direct connection.
Clear those out.
Without knowing these and more, there is no basis for conclusory statements.
By the by, I do not condone agitation, but, who gets to define what agitation is versus a shared perspective?
You? Me?
By your logic, were the non-violent civil rights protestors of the ‘60s guilty and subject to beatings, arrest and detention for say, the crime of impeding commerce in the areas of the protest?
Need to be careful where the lines are drawn.
Quixotic.
Joe
Individuals will decide for themselves. There is no monopoly on the Overton Window.a fan wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 4:10 pmOk. Don't believe me. Lived directly adjacent----directly-----to College Campus for a decade. BAMN (a from the river to the sea group) was there, and had been there for a while way back in 1999. There is infrastructure and history for this crew. They aren't spring chickens, and this is in no way a thing that started just weeks ago.PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:26 pm So, arrest records? Sample size? How were individuals selected for arrest?
Without knowing these and more, there is no basis for conclusory statements.
Did I go to every college? Of course not. So feel free to ignore. Texas reported non-student arrests. Again, feel free to ignore.
Is this a serious question?PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:26 pm By the by, I do not condone agitation, but, who gets to define what agitation is versus a shared perspective?
You? Me?
The answer is twofold: 1. in the case of State-owned Universities, the American Justice system decides where the line is.
2. in the case of Brown, for example, the American Judicial system AND the owners of Brown U get to decide.
They weren't beaten, arrested, etc. "because they impeded commerce", and you know it. One has nothing to do with the other. They were beaten because they had the gall to be Black Americans, asking to be treated as Americans.PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:26 pm By your logic, were the non-violent civil rights protestors of the ‘60s guilty and subject to beatings, arrest and detention for say, the crime of impeding commerce in the areas of the protest?
We're a nation of laws, not men. Do you not agree? I'd rather have that, than you or I getting the power to decide where the line is. Because that's literally what happened in the South during the Civil Rights movement: racist individuals deciding, as you put it, "where the line is".