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youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:36 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:07 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:52 am Nattyboh - "all I get from your response is you obviously don't care about US military personnel today. "

Gaslighting defined!

Did you follow closely the discussion?
If not, might want to read or re-read post after post after post of cradle's diatribes and personal attacks, and avoidance of a serious question, again and again and again.

Or were you giving nattyboh a high five for serving cradle a bit of his own medicine in his last retort?

Seriously, I think the personal attacks are over the top and do nothing to illuminate the topics. Jibes can be fun, but some of the angry stuff doesn't serve any productive purpose. IMO.

No need to follow the discussion closely. If anyone questions craddle's authenticity about those serving, well, then....they are gaslighting him when they imply he does not.

Not answering a question(s) from some fellow posters is not uncommon, especially when we know the MO's, which is often a flex and control of the conversation, while forcing the other to defend themselves from gaslighting claims.

And I agree. I wished you'd call them out more often. You let the best of your fanlax friends around here slide regularly.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 6:00 am

OCanada wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:12 am

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 3:41 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:10 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:09 pm My bad... I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH ALL OF THOSE MILITARY PERSONNEL murdered by Iranian IED and EDF devices from 2003 on up. Too bad you don't give a chit about those lives. Too bad you don't give a chit about holding Iran responsible. To bad you simply just don't give a chit period.

you might as well just stick your head back up your ass where it belongs. The fresh air isn't doing you any good.

Did you just tell yourself to stick your head up your own a$$?

And of course you never answered my question. We're talking about personnel deaths since Biden took office here.

Somehow asking about deaths since Biden took office now means I don't care about any deaths before he took office? You really make a lot of stupid, wrong assumptions about what I think about Iran and people hurt by them. I think your head's already stuck up where the sun don't shine. Would explain the b.s. being spewn.

Cradle Just to be clear, the fallacy here is not just that Cradle is trying to shift the burden of proof, bad as that is. The fallacy is in the implication that unless you meet some particular burden of proof – finding a better analogy (to use the correct term) – Cradle isn’t wrong. Or isn’t as wrong. That’s just silly. Cradle is wrong because he’s wrong. Nothing to do with whether anyone can come up with something less wrong. Besides,Cradle snd others here has already done that. It is one of his go to moves. He has fone it when presented with this kind of thing

So rejecting the 2 nincompoops the 2 major parties are putting forward to lead this nation makes me wrong?? If that is the case I've never been happier to be wrong. This theory of being forced to accept the lesser of 2 evils ain't working for me. Please give me a 3rd option.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:36 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:07 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:52 am Nattyboh - "all I get from your response is you obviously don't care about US military personnel today. "

Gaslighting defined!

Did you follow closely the discussion?
If not, might want to read or re-read post after post after post of cradle's diatribes and personal attacks, and avoidance of a serious question, again and again and again.

Or were you giving nattyboh a high five for serving cradle a bit of his own medicine in his last retort?

Seriously, I think the personal attacks are over the top and do nothing to illuminate the topics. Jibes can be fun, but some of the angry stuff doesn't serve any productive purpose. IMO.

No need to follow the discussion closely. If anyone questions craddle's authenticity about those serving, well, then....they are gaslighting him when they imply he does not.

Not answering a question(s) from some fellow posters is not uncommon, especially when we know the MO's, which is often a flex and control of the conversation, while forcing the other to defend themselves from gaslighting claims.

And I agree. I wished you'd call them out more often. You let the best of your fanlax friends around here slide regularly.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:28 pm Phuk, praying all goes well:

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/17462 ... a82I2GssRg

Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:43 am U.S.-owned and operated container ship on Monday was struck by an anti-ship ballistic missile from Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/01/15 ... hamas-news

"An anti-ship missile fired by Houthi fighters struck a U.S.-owned commercial ship off the coast of Yemen on Monday, but the vessel and its crew were not seriously harmed, according to the U.S. military’s Central Command and Britain’s maritime trade agency.

The strike, along with a reported missile launch at a U.S. Navy ship on Sunday, are a continuation of the Iranian-backed Houthi militia’s attacks on Red Sea shipping, and came after airstrikes that the United States led against the group last week.

The missile fired on Monday hit the Gibraltar Eagle, a bulk carrier owned by a U.S. company and flagged to the Marshall Islands, causing no significant damage or injuries, the U.S. military said in a post on social media. The British agency, which monitors ship traffic, said earlier that the missile had hit the port side of the vessel, which had been sailing southeast of the port city of Aden.

The Houthis launched an anti-ship cruise missile at the U.S.S. Laboon, a destroyer, on Sunday at about 4:45 p.m. Yemen time, the U.S. military said on social media. The missile was shot down by an American fighter jet near the coast of the city of Hudaydah, and no injuries or damage were reported, the U.S. military said."

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:15 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:43 am U.S.-owned and operated container ship on Monday was struck by an anti-ship ballistic missile from Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/01/15 ... hamas-news

"An anti-ship missile fired by Houthi fighters struck a U.S.-owned commercial ship off the coast of Yemen on Monday, but the vessel and its crew were not seriously harmed, according to the U.S. military’s Central Command and Britain’s maritime trade agency.

The strike, along with a reported missile launch at a U.S. Navy ship on Sunday, are a continuation of the Iranian-backed Houthi militia’s attacks on Red Sea shipping, and came after airstrikes that the United States led against the group last week.

The missile fired on Monday hit the Gibraltar Eagle, a bulk carrier owned by a U.S. company and flagged to the Marshall Islands, causing no significant damage or injuries, the U.S. military said in a post on social media. The British agency, which monitors ship traffic, said earlier that the missile had hit the port side of the vessel, which had been sailing southeast of the port city of Aden.

The Houthis launched an anti-ship cruise missile at the U.S.S. Laboon, a destroyer, on Sunday at about 4:45 p.m. Yemen time, the U.S. military said on social media. The missile was shot down by an American fighter jet near the coast of the city of Hudaydah, and no injuries or damage were reported, the U.S. military said."

As I said...start hitting Iranian ships and Iranian sites. Obviously that's the only way to get their attention. Enough of their sh(t.

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 8:00 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:15 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:43 am U.S.-owned and operated container ship on Monday was struck by an anti-ship ballistic missile from Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/01/15 ... hamas-news

"An anti-ship missile fired by Houthi fighters struck a U.S.-owned commercial ship off the coast of Yemen on Monday, but the vessel and its crew were not seriously harmed, according to the U.S. military’s Central Command and Britain’s maritime trade agency.

The strike, along with a reported missile launch at a U.S. Navy ship on Sunday, are a continuation of the Iranian-backed Houthi militia’s attacks on Red Sea shipping, and came after airstrikes that the United States led against the group last week.

The missile fired on Monday hit the Gibraltar Eagle, a bulk carrier owned by a U.S. company and flagged to the Marshall Islands, causing no significant damage or injuries, the U.S. military said in a post on social media. The British agency, which monitors ship traffic, said earlier that the missile had hit the port side of the vessel, which had been sailing southeast of the port city of Aden.

The Houthis launched an anti-ship cruise missile at the U.S.S. Laboon, a destroyer, on Sunday at about 4:45 p.m. Yemen time, the U.S. military said on social media. The missile was shot down by an American fighter jet near the coast of the city of Hudaydah, and no injuries or damage were reported, the U.S. military said."

As I said...start hitting Iranian ships and Iranian sites. Obviously that's the only way to get their attention. Enough of their sh(t.

It seems there are a couple of Iranian ships being used as command and control for among others, the Houthis. On my X feed, I am seeing a lot of military types saying someone needs to deal with them (as in mysteriously sink them).

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:16 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:36 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:07 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:52 am Nattyboh - "all I get from your response is you obviously don't care about US military personnel today. "

Gaslighting defined!

Did you follow closely the discussion?
If not, might want to read or re-read post after post after post of cradle's diatribes and personal attacks, and avoidance of a serious question, again and again and again.

Or were you giving nattyboh a high five for serving cradle a bit of his own medicine in his last retort?

Seriously, I think the personal attacks are over the top and do nothing to illuminate the topics. Jibes can be fun, but some of the angry stuff doesn't serve any productive purpose. IMO.

No need to follow the discussion closely. If anyone questions craddle's authenticity about those serving, well, then....they are gaslighting him when they imply he does not.

Not answering a question(s) from some fellow posters is not uncommon, especially when we know the MO's, which is often a flex and control of the conversation, while forcing the other to defend themselves from gaslighting claims.

And I agree. I wished you'd call them out more often. You let the best of your fanlax friends around here slide regularly.

I try to uniformly, regardless of agreement or disagreement with the particular viewpoints. I just think going off harshly personally serves little purpose, but I do think that it's important to "play the tape" before 'throwing the flag' on just the last responder.

In this case, it takes just a couple of pages of 'tape' reading to see the repeated straightforward question that cradle avoided. It was posted out again and again, bolded and then larger bold.

It's not controlling the conversation to ask that a basic point be acknowledged. Instead, cradle responded as if he thought there was an entirely different question, again and again, refusing to acknowledge other poster's basic point...and so, instead of acknowledging, he attacks the fellow poster personally, saying they obviously "don't care" about injured and killed military personnel pre 2020. When they rebut that obvious and offensive mistruth, he doubles down with:

"All I get from your response is that you don't care. That is not a big surprise to me. Maybe you should try extricating your head from your anus. The fresh air will do you a world of good. FTR, even up my anus the sun shines brightly and the fresh air flows freely."

No one is questioning cradle's "authenticity", simply that he refuses to acknowledge that military personnel since Biden took office have not been killed by Iranian proxies...a good thing, right? But cradle refuses to acknowledge this good thing, "doesn't care" that people haven't been killed...it's a retort to a very personal and rather dumb personal insult. A slap back.

I'm not going to throw the flag on the last when it's so much less offensive than the prior. I'm throwing the flag on the repeated strikes by the former.

And by that I'm not meaning I've reported it, but it's getting over the top IMO.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 8:38 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:16 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:36 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:07 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:52 am Nattyboh - "all I get from your response is you obviously don't care about US military personnel today. "

Gaslighting defined!

Did you follow closely the discussion?
If not, might want to read or re-read post after post after post of cradle's diatribes and personal attacks, and avoidance of a serious question, again and again and again.

Or were you giving nattyboh a high five for serving cradle a bit of his own medicine in his last retort?

Seriously, I think the personal attacks are over the top and do nothing to illuminate the topics. Jibes can be fun, but some of the angry stuff doesn't serve any productive purpose. IMO.

No need to follow the discussion closely. If anyone questions craddle's authenticity about those serving, well, then....they are gaslighting him when they imply he does not.

Not answering a question(s) from some fellow posters is not uncommon, especially when we know the MO's, which is often a flex and control of the conversation, while forcing the other to defend themselves from gaslighting claims.

And I agree. I wished you'd call them out more often. You let the best of your fanlax friends around here slide regularly.

I try to uniformly, regardless of agreement or disagreement with the particular viewpoints. I just think going off harshly personally serves little purpose, but I do think that it's important to "play the tape" before 'throwing the flag' on just the last responder.

In this case, it takes just a couple of pages of 'tape' reading to see the repeated straightforward question that cradle avoided. It was posted out again and again, bolded and then larger bold.

It's not controlling the conversation to ask that a basic point be acknowledged. Instead, cradle responded as if he thought there was an entirely different question, again and again, refusing to acknowledge other poster's basic point...and so, instead of acknowledging, he attacks the fellow poster personally, saying they obviously "don't care" about injured and killed military personnel pre 2020. When they rebut that obvious and offensive mistruth, he doubles down with:

"All I get from your response is that you don't care. That is not a big surprise to me. Maybe you should try extricating your head from your anus. The fresh air will do you a world of good. FTR, even up my anus the sun shines brightly and the fresh air flows freely."

No one is questioning cradle's "authenticity", simply that he refuses to acknowledge that military personnel since Biden took office have not been killed by Iranian proxies...a good thing, right? But cradle refuses to acknowledge this good thing, "doesn't care" that people haven't been killed...it's a retort to a very personal and rather dumb personal insult. A slap back.

I'm not going to throw the flag on the last when it's so much less offensive than the prior. I'm throwing the flag on the repeated strikes by the former.

And by that I'm not meaning I've reported it, but it's getting over the top IMO.

Throw the flag. I implore you to do so. Throw the mother effing flag. You would be doing me a huge solid... The people on this forum, few as they may be understand who and what you are. I have enough PMs from them that agree with me. You and your Nelson Rockefeller blue blood pathetic ass Republicans are as out of touch with reality as could possibly be. Can you refresh my memory as to why you love Nelson so much?

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 10:36 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 8:38 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:16 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:36 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:07 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:52 am Nattyboh - "all I get from your response is you obviously don't care about US military personnel today. "

Gaslighting defined!

Did you follow closely the discussion?
If not, might want to read or re-read post after post after post of cradle's diatribes and personal attacks, and avoidance of a serious question, again and again and again.

Or were you giving nattyboh a high five for serving cradle a bit of his own medicine in his last retort?

Seriously, I think the personal attacks are over the top and do nothing to illuminate the topics. Jibes can be fun, but some of the angry stuff doesn't serve any productive purpose. IMO.

No need to follow the discussion closely. If anyone questions craddle's authenticity about those serving, well, then....they are gaslighting him when they imply he does not.

Not answering a question(s) from some fellow posters is not uncommon, especially when we know the MO's, which is often a flex and control of the conversation, while forcing the other to defend themselves from gaslighting claims.

And I agree. I wished you'd call them out more often. You let the best of your fanlax friends around here slide regularly.

I try to uniformly, regardless of agreement or disagreement with the particular viewpoints. I just think going off harshly personally serves little purpose, but I do think that it's important to "play the tape" before 'throwing the flag' on just the last responder.

In this case, it takes just a couple of pages of 'tape' reading to see the repeated straightforward question that cradle avoided. It was posted out again and again, bolded and then larger bold.

It's not controlling the conversation to ask that a basic point be acknowledged. Instead, cradle responded as if he thought there was an entirely different question, again and again, refusing to acknowledge other poster's basic point...and so, instead of acknowledging, he attacks the fellow poster personally, saying they obviously "don't care" about injured and killed military personnel pre 2020. When they rebut that obvious and offensive mistruth, he doubles down with:

"All I get from your response is that you don't care. That is not a big surprise to me. Maybe you should try extricating your head from your anus. The fresh air will do you a world of good. FTR, even up my anus the sun shines brightly and the fresh air flows freely."

No one is questioning cradle's "authenticity", simply that he refuses to acknowledge that military personnel since Biden took office have not been killed by Iranian proxies...a good thing, right? But cradle refuses to acknowledge this good thing, "doesn't care" that people haven't been killed...it's a retort to a very personal and rather dumb personal insult. A slap back.

I'm not going to throw the flag on the last when it's so much less offensive than the prior. I'm throwing the flag on the repeated strikes by the former.

And by that I'm not meaning I've reported it, but it's getting over the top IMO.

Throw the flag. I implore you to do so. Throw the mother effing flag. You would be doing me a huge solid... The people on this forum, few as they may be understand who and what you are. I have enough PMs from them that agree with me. You and your Nelson Rockefeller blue blood pathetic ass Republicans are as out of touch with reality as could possibly be. Can you refresh my memory as to why you love Nelson so much?

Before my time...as was Ike. Lincoln too!
Reagan, HW...in my time.

But yeah, governance from the middle, respecting pluralism, are consistent with my values.

Extremism no.

As to flags, I try to reserve them for when things get so toxic that it likely turns readers off to ever participating.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 11:01 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 10:36 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 8:38 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:16 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:36 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:07 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:52 am Nattyboh - "all I get from your response is you obviously don't care about US military personnel today. "

Gaslighting defined!

Did you follow closely the discussion?
If not, might want to read or re-read post after post after post of cradle's diatribes and personal attacks, and avoidance of a serious question, again and again and again.

Or were you giving nattyboh a high five for serving cradle a bit of his own medicine in his last retort?

Seriously, I think the personal attacks are over the top and do nothing to illuminate the topics. Jibes can be fun, but some of the angry stuff doesn't serve any productive purpose. IMO.

No need to follow the discussion closely. If anyone questions craddle's authenticity about those serving, well, then....they are gaslighting him when they imply he does not.

Not answering a question(s) from some fellow posters is not uncommon, especially when we know the MO's, which is often a flex and control of the conversation, while forcing the other to defend themselves from gaslighting claims.

And I agree. I wished you'd call them out more often. You let the best of your fanlax friends around here slide regularly.

I try to uniformly, regardless of agreement or disagreement with the particular viewpoints. I just think going off harshly personally serves little purpose, but I do think that it's important to "play the tape" before 'throwing the flag' on just the last responder.

In this case, it takes just a couple of pages of 'tape' reading to see the repeated straightforward question that cradle avoided. It was posted out again and again, bolded and then larger bold.

It's not controlling the conversation to ask that a basic point be acknowledged. Instead, cradle responded as if he thought there was an entirely different question, again and again, refusing to acknowledge other poster's basic point...and so, instead of acknowledging, he attacks the fellow poster personally, saying they obviously "don't care" about injured and killed military personnel pre 2020. When they rebut that obvious and offensive mistruth, he doubles down with:

"All I get from your response is that you don't care. That is not a big surprise to me. Maybe you should try extricating your head from your anus. The fresh air will do you a world of good. FTR, even up my anus the sun shines brightly and the fresh air flows freely."

No one is questioning cradle's "authenticity", simply that he refuses to acknowledge that military personnel since Biden took office have not been killed by Iranian proxies...a good thing, right? But cradle refuses to acknowledge this good thing, "doesn't care" that people haven't been killed...it's a retort to a very personal and rather dumb personal insult. A slap back.

I'm not going to throw the flag on the last when it's so much less offensive than the prior. I'm throwing the flag on the repeated strikes by the former.

And by that I'm not meaning I've reported it, but it's getting over the top IMO.

Throw the flag. I implore you to do so. Throw the mother effing flag. You would be doing me a huge solid... The people on this forum, few as they may be understand who and what you are. I have enough PMs from them that agree with me. You and your Nelson Rockefeller blue blood pathetic ass Republicans are as out of touch with reality as could possibly be. Can you refresh my memory as to why you love Nelson so much?

Before my time...as was Ike. Lincoln too!
Reagan, HW...in my time.

But yeah, governance from the middle, respecting pluralism, are consistent with my values.

Extremism no.

As to flags, I try to reserve them for when things get so toxic that it likely turns readers off to ever participating.

So what was your personal opinion of Nelson Rockefeller? A pretty simple and straightforward question. He couldn't have been "before your time" You have a few years on me and I remember Nelsons legacy in NYS very clearly. FTR, my memory is much better than yours. I do remember comments you have made in the past. I know you love doing research like this...pull out your shovel and start digging....

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:36 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 11:01 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 10:36 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 8:38 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:16 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:36 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:07 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:52 am Nattyboh - "all I get from your response is you obviously don't care about US military personnel today. "

Gaslighting defined!

Did you follow closely the discussion?
If not, might want to read or re-read post after post after post of cradle's diatribes and personal attacks, and avoidance of a serious question, again and again and again.

Or were you giving nattyboh a high five for serving cradle a bit of his own medicine in his last retort?

Seriously, I think the personal attacks are over the top and do nothing to illuminate the topics. Jibes can be fun, but some of the angry stuff doesn't serve any productive purpose. IMO.

No need to follow the discussion closely. If anyone questions craddle's authenticity about those serving, well, then....they are gaslighting him when they imply he does not.

Not answering a question(s) from some fellow posters is not uncommon, especially when we know the MO's, which is often a flex and control of the conversation, while forcing the other to defend themselves from gaslighting claims.

And I agree. I wished you'd call them out more often. You let the best of your fanlax friends around here slide regularly.

I try to uniformly, regardless of agreement or disagreement with the particular viewpoints. I just think going off harshly personally serves little purpose, but I do think that it's important to "play the tape" before 'throwing the flag' on just the last responder.

In this case, it takes just a couple of pages of 'tape' reading to see the repeated straightforward question that cradle avoided. It was posted out again and again, bolded and then larger bold.

It's not controlling the conversation to ask that a basic point be acknowledged. Instead, cradle responded as if he thought there was an entirely different question, again and again, refusing to acknowledge other poster's basic point...and so, instead of acknowledging, he attacks the fellow poster personally, saying they obviously "don't care" about injured and killed military personnel pre 2020. When they rebut that obvious and offensive mistruth, he doubles down with:

"All I get from your response is that you don't care. That is not a big surprise to me. Maybe you should try extricating your head from your anus. The fresh air will do you a world of good. FTR, even up my anus the sun shines brightly and the fresh air flows freely."

No one is questioning cradle's "authenticity", simply that he refuses to acknowledge that military personnel since Biden took office have not been killed by Iranian proxies...a good thing, right? But cradle refuses to acknowledge this good thing, "doesn't care" that people haven't been killed...it's a retort to a very personal and rather dumb personal insult. A slap back.

I'm not going to throw the flag on the last when it's so much less offensive than the prior. I'm throwing the flag on the repeated strikes by the former.

And by that I'm not meaning I've reported it, but it's getting over the top IMO.

Throw the flag. I implore you to do so. Throw the mother effing flag. You would be doing me a huge solid... The people on this forum, few as they may be understand who and what you are. I have enough PMs from them that agree with me. You and your Nelson Rockefeller blue blood pathetic ass Republicans are as out of touch with reality as could possibly be. Can you refresh my memory as to why you love Nelson so much?

Before my time...as was Ike. Lincoln too!
Reagan, HW...in my time.

But yeah, governance from the middle, respecting pluralism, are consistent with my values.

Extremism no.

As to flags, I try to reserve them for when things get so toxic that it likely turns readers off to ever participating.

So what was your personal opinion of Nelson Rockefeller? A pretty simple and straightforward question. He couldn't have been "before your time" You have a few years on me and I remember Nelsons legacy in NYS very clearly. FTR, my memory is much better than yours. I do remember comments you have made in the past. I know you love doing research like this...pull out your shovel and start digging....

I refreshed my memory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Rockefeller

He died before I cast my first vote for President.

I'd definitely associate myself ideologically with the liberal/moderate wing of the Republican Party, which he represented ala Ike, TR, Lincoln rather than the Goldwater wing, McCarthy wing. Reagan came up through the Goldwater wing, but even he'd be a RINO in today's MAGA Party.

Mac Mathias would be a good fit overlapping Rockefeller; up your way a little later, Jack Kemp.

Rockefeller had a quite accomplished long life in public service and policy. I would not ascribe to 100% of his views, but that's with the benefit of hindsight. As a politician, winning the Governorship of NYS four straight time, like Pataki's more recent 3 times, indicates that New York is willing to vote for moderate Republicans over Dems. 4 times is very impressive. Probably drove your Democrat family crazy?

The "Communist State of Massachusetts" is quite willing to vote Republican, most recently Baker, Romney, Swift, Celluci, Weld...

My very blue state of Maryland...Hogan most recently...would have won again, but we have a two term cap.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:59 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:36 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 11:01 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 10:36 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 8:38 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:16 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:36 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:07 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:52 am Nattyboh - "all I get from your response is you obviously don't care about US military personnel today. "

Gaslighting defined!

Did you follow closely the discussion?
If not, might want to read or re-read post after post after post of cradle's diatribes and personal attacks, and avoidance of a serious question, again and again and again.

Or were you giving nattyboh a high five for serving cradle a bit of his own medicine in his last retort?

Seriously, I think the personal attacks are over the top and do nothing to illuminate the topics. Jibes can be fun, but some of the angry stuff doesn't serve any productive purpose. IMO.

No need to follow the discussion closely. If anyone questions craddle's authenticity about those serving, well, then....they are gaslighting him when they imply he does not.

Not answering a question(s) from some fellow posters is not uncommon, especially when we know the MO's, which is often a flex and control of the conversation, while forcing the other to defend themselves from gaslighting claims.

And I agree. I wished you'd call them out more often. You let the best of your fanlax friends around here slide regularly.

I try to uniformly, regardless of agreement or disagreement with the particular viewpoints. I just think going off harshly personally serves little purpose, but I do think that it's important to "play the tape" before 'throwing the flag' on just the last responder.

In this case, it takes just a couple of pages of 'tape' reading to see the repeated straightforward question that cradle avoided. It was posted out again and again, bolded and then larger bold.

It's not controlling the conversation to ask that a basic point be acknowledged. Instead, cradle responded as if he thought there was an entirely different question, again and again, refusing to acknowledge other poster's basic point...and so, instead of acknowledging, he attacks the fellow poster personally, saying they obviously "don't care" about injured and killed military personnel pre 2020. When they rebut that obvious and offensive mistruth, he doubles down with:

"All I get from your response is that you don't care. That is not a big surprise to me. Maybe you should try extricating your head from your anus. The fresh air will do you a world of good. FTR, even up my anus the sun shines brightly and the fresh air flows freely."

No one is questioning cradle's "authenticity", simply that he refuses to acknowledge that military personnel since Biden took office have not been killed by Iranian proxies...a good thing, right? But cradle refuses to acknowledge this good thing, "doesn't care" that people haven't been killed...it's a retort to a very personal and rather dumb personal insult. A slap back.

I'm not going to throw the flag on the last when it's so much less offensive than the prior. I'm throwing the flag on the repeated strikes by the former.

And by that I'm not meaning I've reported it, but it's getting over the top IMO.

Throw the flag. I implore you to do so. Throw the mother effing flag. You would be doing me a huge solid... The people on this forum, few as they may be understand who and what you are. I have enough PMs from them that agree with me. You and your Nelson Rockefeller blue blood pathetic ass Republicans are as out of touch with reality as could possibly be. Can you refresh my memory as to why you love Nelson so much?

Before my time...as was Ike. Lincoln too!
Reagan, HW...in my time.

But yeah, governance from the middle, respecting pluralism, are consistent with my values.

Extremism no.

As to flags, I try to reserve them for when things get so toxic that it likely turns readers off to ever participating.

So what was your personal opinion of Nelson Rockefeller? A pretty simple and straightforward question. He couldn't have been "before your time" You have a few years on me and I remember Nelsons legacy in NYS very clearly. FTR, my memory is much better than yours. I do remember comments you have made in the past. I know you love doing research like this...pull out your shovel and start digging....

I refreshed my memory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Rockefeller

He died before I cast my first vote for President.

I'd definitely associate myself ideologically with the liberal/moderate wing of the Republican Party, which he represented ala Ike, TR, Lincoln rather than the Goldwater wing, McCarthy wing. Reagan came up through the Goldwater wing, but even he'd be a RINO in today's MAGA Party.

Mac Mathias would be a good fit overlapping Rockefeller; up your way a little later, Jack Kemp.

Rockefeller had a quite accomplished long life in public service and policy. I would not ascribe to 100% of his views, but that's with the benefit of hindsight. As a politician, winning the Governorship of NYS four straight time, like Pataki's more recent 3 times, indicates that New York is willing to vote for moderate Republicans over Dems. 4 times is very impressive. Probably drove your Democrat family crazy?

The "Communist State of Massachusetts" is quite willing to vote Republican, most recently Baker, Romney, Swift, Celluci, Weld...

My very blue state of Maryland...Hogan most recently...would have won again, but we have a two term cap.

Here in Upstate NY Rockefeller will always be despised and hated and loathed for his decision to retake Attica prison in 1971. You might recall that his order to retake the prison by force caused the deaths of 29 BLACK inmates who were shot to death in the assault not including the hostage guards that also died. So for a Rockefeller liberal Republican so hypersensitive about the rights of black folks kindly don't forget that one of your iconic heroes had no problem at all authorizing the murder of black inmates. That is just in case you forget like you are prone to do rather frequently .

I guess I can brag about my memory vs your memory here. I've responded to your posts multiple times where you opined that I've been brainwashed by FOX news. I've informed you multiple times I don't listen to FOX news. So I asked myself why would that be? Then your denseness and demeanor answered it for me. You don't give a f**k about anything I say to you. I'm just an insignificant no nothing peon as far as your concerned. It explains why I can tell you something time and time again and it goes in one ear and right the other. That is your arrogance and elitism shining through.

So just to impress you, I remember your telling us all about those mother effing rednecks who stood up and sang Dixie at your elitist private old rich white guys party. You profusely apologized to every black person afterwards that would listen to your pasty faced old white guy apology. You ready to apologize to the families of all those black folks who your hero Nelson gunned down in cold blood in that courtyard of Attica prison? That should be pretty easy for you to do? Your pretty god damn good when it comes to apologizing to black people for injustices they have had to endure. Does that include the injustice dealt out by your hero Nelson at Attica prison?

As always....GO BILLS......

I hope someday Old Sod you address your chronic case of CRS with your doctor. How many times on average does someone have to tell you the same thing before you finally remember it?

January 16, 2024
Welcome to this Tuesday edition of The D Brief, brought to you by Ben Watson with Audrey Decker.

Iranian, Turkish, Houthi missile attacks
Iran carried out a ballistic missile attack in Iraqi Kurdistan and inside Syria on Monday while its proxies in Yemen attacked several more ships off the Yemeni coast over the weekend and through Tuesday. Tehran’s Tasnim news agency carried the government’s claim of responsibility for the Monday attacks in Erbil, Iraq, and Idlib, Syria, and said they fired at least two dozen missiles.

Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps targeted Kurdish construction and private security magnate Peshraw Dizayee, Middle East analyst Charles Lister said. Dizayee appears to have perished in the attacks, which decimated several buildings, as Tasnim illustrated Tuesday with several social media posts. Iraq’s government condemned the attacks, and promised to investigate.

ICYMI: Turkey’s military also carried out airstrikes this weekend inside Iraq and Syria. “The defense ministry said that aircraft struck targets in Metina, Hakurk, Gara and Qandil in northern Iraq, but didn’t specify areas in Syria,” the Associated Press reported Saturday. That attack followed an assault from Kurdish forces Friday evening on a Turkish base inside Iraq; that assault killed nine Turkish troops.

Bigger picture: “Anyone arguing a regional war isn’t already underway in the Middle East is kidding themselves,” Lister said on social media, and warning, the situation across the region “could get a lot worse.”

 Developing: IRGC commanders “are on the ground in Yemen and playing a direct role in Houthi rebel attacks on commercial traffic in the Red Sea,” Semafor reported Monday, citing U.S. and Middle East officials. Leading that push is a man named Gen. Abdul Reza Shahlai, who evaded a U.S. drone strike inside Yemen four years ago. Read more, here.

Rewind: Two Navy SEALs perished at sea during a nighttime naval interdiction operation off the Somali coast Thursday evening. The SEALs were conducting “a complex boarding” of a small boat suspected of carrying illicit cargo to Yemen from Iran, U.S. officials at the Tampa-based Central Command announced Tuesday, after an initial notification of the missing sailors on Friday.

“As two members of the SEAL team tried to board the vessel Thursday night in rough seas, one of the commandos apparently slipped off the boarding ladder,” the New York Times reported Friday. “Another member of the team then jumped into the water to try to rescue the sailor, the officials said. Both soon disappeared in the swells,” officials told the Times.

The interdicted dhow was found to contain “Iranian-made ballistic missile and cruise missile components,” as well as “propulsion, guidance, and warheads for Houthi medium-range ballistic missiles and anti-ship cruise missiles,” CENTCOM said. The episode marks the first such seizure of Iranian missile parts by the U.S. Navy since November 2019. The Navy said the dhow was unsafe, and sank it. The future of its 14 crewmembers were being determined in an unspecified manner, but “in accordance with international law,” according to CENTCOM. (View pictures of the vessel via CENTCOM’s Twitter account, here.)

The same morning, U.S. air and naval forces in the region conducted their retaliatory airstrike campaign against dozens of alleged Houthi missile and radar targets across Yemen, as we reported in our newsletter Friday.

After that initial salvo on Friday, the U.S. military attacked a different radar site inside Yemen early Saturday. Crew on board the USS Carney used Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles to hit a site at about three in the morning, military officials at Central Command said afterward.

About 36 hours later, the Houthis tried to attack the USS Laboon with an anti-ship cruise missile on Saturday afternoon. But an unspecified U.S. fighter aircraft shot the missile down near the Yemeni port city of Hudaydah, CENTCOM said.

Twenty-four hours later, on Sunday, the Houthis struck a U.S.-flagged container ship, M/V Gibraltar Eagle, with an anti-ship ballistic missile. However, the ship’s crew “reported no injuries or significant damage and is continuing its journey,” CENTCOM said Sunday. That ship was reportedly carrying steel products. (Two hours earlier, the Houthis allegedly tried to do the same thing, but that “missile failed in flight and impacted on land in Yemen,” CENTCOM said.)

By the way, the Houthis vowed to widen their attacks in the Red Sea. “The ship doesn't necessarily have to be heading to Israel for us to target it; it is enough for it to be American,” Houthi spokesman Nasruldeen Amer reportedly told al-Jazeera. “The United States is on the verge of losing its maritime security,” he said Monday.

Another ship was hit with a missile while sailing near the Yemeni port city of Aden on Monday, British maritime authorities said. Fortunately the vessel and crew were declared safe, and the ship proceeded to its next port.

The suspected Iranian spy ship, MV Behshad, is sailing off the coast of Aden, British security analysts EOS Risk Group said Monday on social media, and noted that the ship’s crew “is likely providing targeting data to the Houthis ashore in Yemen.”

New: A separate attack on Tuesday struck the cargo hold of a different ship as it transited the southern Red Sea, the Brits announced. It’s unclear if any of the crew were harmed or the nature of the possible damage from that “unknown object.”

What now for the White House? Re-designate the Houthis as a terrorist group, argues Bradley Bowman of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies think tank, based in Washington. Once that's done, he advises White House officials to order “increasingly aggressive strikes on Houthi military infrastructure if Houthi attacks continue,” then find out what the Pentagon needs in order to seize more weapons Iran is sending the Houthis.