tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:39 pm Holy sh!t a fan... you're the one who said "same as it ever was" but then cite, when I went to school, to say why things have changed. You really are full of sh!t, do you realize that?
No, you just don't want to listen.
There are annoying libs on campus-----same as it ever was.
I recognized that you're older....I forget sometimes...so I asked what years were you in college.
1970's, early 80's, right? You mentioned that there was no racial unrest at your campus.
Think for a second, for heaven's sake. Even with the same libs on campus-----what's the makeup of those libs in 2020 vs. what it looked like in the 1970's, or even 1980's?
What HAS changed? BLM, Antifa and all it's components, Cancel Culture, Virtue Signaling, Defund (abolish) Police, Culture Warriors, White Privilege/Fragility, Sanctuary Cities, Open borders, etc., etc. Do you endorse these things a fan?
What is wrong with Black Lives Matter? What is it that you oppose? I understand those other items but what is it about Black Lives Matter that caused you to lump it with those other things?
This has already been discussed. IMO, BLM is a sham organization, starting with what they call themselves, which is a complete misnomer. We only hear from them when something is politically advantageous for the organization, meanwhile, countless black and brown people are murdered daily across the nation, and we hear nothing from them.
If you tell me they are against police brutality (which obviously needs to be addressed) that's fine but why stop there if your motives are sincere?
If it hasn't been changed, their Mission Statement states things that emphasizes their political and counter culture nature, not to mention that some of their leaders are self-proclaimed Marxists. Read it and figure it out if you haven't already.
Thousands of people (including many white) came out to protest Floyd's murder displaying Black Lives Matter wherever possible. You do realize that that had nothing to do with the organization itself? Just more reason I find their name deceptive/dishonest.
I was referring to the movement itself. I don’t know much about the BLM organization. Where are their offices? YOU only hear from them when it’s on the news you mean? You were probably against the anti-apartheid movement as well. Given all the diversity you have been around, it should be easily to call up 15-20 lifelong friends of color and get their opinion. I can. Have a good Saturday chief. BTW, is that “diverse” HS in CT and if so, is it an all girls school?
Ah, the word from the Fanlax global ambassador...
I guess I should have insisted my parents send me to school in South Africa... I could have been so much more worldly. I have a couple close friends I keep in touch with, as opposed to many acquaintances. No, I don't live in CT anymore.
Didn't your son attend Princeton?... that's quite a privilege isn't it?
Yes he did. And it was.
Indeed.
Many folks are enormously threatened by the notion that they have unconscious biases, prejudices, and yes, "white privilege" (which they think is an insult, rather than simply a reality). These are often otherwise good, decent people who are horrified by the idea that they may be "racist" and have relatively benefited from a reality of their skin color, benefits they have done nothing themselves to actually earn...threatening their sense of self-worth.
All human nature.
So, they strike out angrily, as our pen pal does above.
I don't think such folks are irredeemable, but it's indeed discouraging at times that they can be so unwilling to let down their guard and stop with the anger.
And it's downright horrifying to see how alive and well racism is in this country, unleashed in the current era of Trumpism.
Sadly MD the rest of us peons will never be as perfect as you are. We were just born to flounder around aimlessly in this world with all the imperfections we were born with. You are truly gifted and a person who is many levels above us all in your level of understanding and compassion for your fellow man. Maybe someday I will attain the level of perfection you have achieved through all your many accomplishments on this earth. You are absolutely Gods little gift to all of us. We should all be so lucky to know you if only in the smallest of ways.
Exactly the opposite.
I readily accept my imperfections and don't get panties all in a twist pretending I have none.
It's the folks who are so deeply threatened by the notion that they have biases, prejudices, have benefited from white privilege, that are either unaware of their imperfections are just so defensive that they have to strike out...
You and I are in agreement. You lose me when you start talking about white privilege. I guess I was born with it but I'm damned if I have ever seen it up close and personal. There is a Jimmy Buffet song from way back about the bear. He goes up to guard his brothers still so he can go into town to vote. During his run in with the bear he says something like this... In the eyes of the lord, we are both just beasts when it comes right down to it. Over the course of thousands of years the enequities between humans all over the world represent privilege of the people that dominated during their era. My relatives dealt with all of their own "challenges" the Irish and Germans and Italians and the Poles and a variety of other immigrants all faced injustice. For black Americans and all immigrants to this country the road has never been easy. Black Americans have had a much more difficult time. Our nation has been slow to respond but we are capable of something few other nations of our size and population could ever do. We are leveling the playing field for all Americans. What I believe in for every American is we all have an equal opportunity to make a better life for ourselves. The only roadblock to doing so should be the roadblocks we ourselves put up.
Re: 2020 Elections - Desperate Don is Panicking
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:55 am
by Brooklyn
Patriotic postal workers attempt to do their job despite tRUMP's obstructionism. If he "wins" the election it's because he stole it.
Re: 2020 Elections - Desperate Don is Panicking
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:42 am
by Peter Brown
Good news for all Republican candidates!
Democratic Antifa rioted again last night in multiple cities, and even some in the suburbs where some of our Fanlax lefties live! The riots are coming to your streets! I guess it was never really about the DHS agents, was it?!
I just don't think the female voters/moms of this country will be down with the street battles, but what do I know!
Chalk up yet another state for Trump. snatching defeat from the jaws of victory go the Dems.
Re: 2020 Elections - Desperate Don is Panicking
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:17 pm
by a fan
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:42 am
Good news for all Republican candidates!
Democratic Antifa rioted again last night in multiple cities, and even some in the suburbs where some of our Fanlax lefties live! The riots are coming to your streets! I guess it was never really about the DHS agents, was it?!
Back to citations from "some guy on the internet", eh Pete?
You're really on a roll today, I'll give you that....
Re: 2020 Elections - Desperate Don is Panicking
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:37 pm
by DocBarrister
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:42 am
Good news for all Republican candidates!
Democratic Antifa rioted again last night in multiple cities, and even some in the suburbs where some of our Fanlax lefties live! The riots are coming to your streets! I guess it was never really about the DHS agents, was it?!
I just don't think the female voters/moms of this country will be down with the street battles, but what do I know!
Chalk up yet another state for Trump. snatching defeat from the jaws of victory go the Dems.
If folks are not quite getting the “big little picture” here, we have Peter Brown, who supports the re-legalization of racial segregation, advocating for a racist, white supremacist president (whose late father was a member of the KKK), and he is doing so on arguably the leading online discussion forum for the sport of lacrosse.
This is the 21st century, but it seems a significant portion of the lacrosse community is stuck in the 1950s. Sad.
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:42 am
Good news for all Republican candidates!
Democratic Antifa rioted again last night in multiple cities, and even some in the suburbs where some of our Fanlax lefties live! The riots are coming to your streets! I guess it was never really about the DHS agents, was it?!
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:42 am
Good news for all Republican candidates!
Democratic Antifa rioted again last night in multiple cities, and even some in the suburbs where some of our Fanlax lefties live! The riots are coming to your streets! I guess it was never really about the DHS agents, was it?!
I just don't think the female voters/moms of this country will be down with the street battles, but what do I know!
Chalk up yet another state for Trump. snatching defeat from the jaws of victory go the Dems.
If folks are not quite getting the “big little picture” here, we have Peter Brown, who supports the re-legalization of racial segregation, advocating for a racist, white supremacist president (whose late father was a member of the KKK), and he is doing so on arguably the leading online discussion forum for the sport of lacrosse.
This is the 21st century, but it seems a significant portion of the lacrosse community is stuck in the 1950s. Sad.
DocBarrister
It goes without saying that Doc never addresses the actual issues in a post. If he did, he’d need to admit his party has quite a few anarchists who riot nightly without ever being admonished by party leaders.
The good news for taxpayers is we all see what’s going on, and we see how the political parties are reacting. Voters tend to notice things like personal safety. Only one party stands for that anymore.
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:42 am
Good news for all Republican candidates!
Democratic Antifa rioted again last night in multiple cities, and even some in the suburbs where some of our Fanlax lefties live! The riots are coming to your streets! I guess it was never really about the DHS agents, was it?!
I just don't think the female voters/moms of this country will be down with the street battles, but what do I know!
Chalk up yet another state for Trump. snatching defeat from the jaws of victory go the Dems.
If folks are not quite getting the “big little picture” here, we have Peter Brown, who supports the re-legalization of racial segregation, advocating for a racist, white supremacist president (whose late father was a member of the KKK), and he is doing so on arguably the leading online discussion forum for the sport of lacrosse.
This is the 21st century, but it seems a significant portion of the lacrosse community is stuck in the 1950s. Sad.
DocBarrister
It goes without saying that Doc never addresses the actual issues in a post. If he did, he’d need to admit his party has quite a few anarchists who riot nightly without ever being admonished by party leaders.
The good news for taxpayers is we all see what’s going on, and we see how the political parties are reacting. Voters tend to notice things like personal safety. Only one party stands for that anymore.
I thought the Democrats were the Party of big government, not anarchy (no government).
Please get your slanders straight.
Anyway, my post does indeed address the most important issue in any of your messages on this forum.
DocBarrister
Re: 2020 Elections - Desperate Don is Panicking
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:16 pm
by a fan
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:53 pm
a fan doesn’t like to believe anything that deflates his fantasy.
So we're back to you wanting me to believe that that Covington kid confronted a Native American, are ya?
Neat.
Learning is hard, Pete. I'll grant you that.
Re: 2020 Elections - Desperate Don is Panicking
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:19 pm
by old salt
The time warp erased much of the discussion about the USPS.
Here's an article from Philly illustrating the impact of covod on mail deliveries.
Across Philadelphia, at least 133 Postal Service employees — from carriers and clerks to mail handlers and custodians — have tested positive for the coronavirus since March, according to records provided by American Postal Workers Union Local 89. Two employees have died. Philadelphia’s main headquarters has been hit hard — the Processing and Delivery Center has seen 34 cases, while the Main Office of Delivery on 30th and Chestnut Streets has seen 28.
The cases are exacerbating staffing shortages, said Nick Casselli, president of APWU Local 89. When an employee tests positive, they cannot work for at least two weeks, and employees who have been in contact with them are forced to quarantine for 14 days. If there is no one to fill in, the mail doesn’t go out.
On top of staff shortages, the agency has seen a significant increase in packages due to a boom in online shopping as people stay home. Casselli said Philadelphia’s plant was processing about 30,000 parcels per day before the coronavirus. Now, it’s processing 100,000.
“They were short-staffed before COVID, and now they don’t have the manpower to process the mail that needs to be delivered,” said Casselli. “Mail is sitting for a week to 10 days before they’re even scanned to go out.”
Amid this increase, sudden policy changes instituted to cut costs by new Postmaster General Louis DeJoy, a Trump donor who was appointed in May, are exacerbating delays, at a time when unprecedented voting by mail has put scrutiny on the agency. In memos to employees, DeJoy has ordered carriers to leave mail behind if it delays routes, and said the agency will prohibit overtime.
Additionally, post offices’ hours are being slashed, including in Camden and Cherry Hill.
The USPS, which is part of a $1.6 trillion mailing industry that employs 7.3 million people, faces crippling debt.
Two Philadelphia-area carriers who spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect their jobs said supervisors instruct them to leave mail behind and prioritize the delivery of Amazon packages. Both said that their stations are overflowing with parcels, and that they cannot fit the amount of mail they have to deliver in one day in their trucks or bags.
“It’s more packages than at Christmastime. It’s impossible to keep up,” said a North Philadelphia-area carrier who is working 90 hours per week, still unable to finish his routes.
A 20-year carrier in Delaware County said cutting overtime would be detrimental amid huge amounts of mail and directions to leave it behind. In his area, six routes do not have assigned carriers, so others work overtime to deliver those routes. If overtime is cut, there will be “no bodies to deliver that mail.”
Michelle Obama is America’s Greatest Living Orator
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:19 pm
by DocBarrister
Michelle Obama just delivered one of the greatest political convention speeches in American history.
Always eloquent and elegant, but also blunt and powerful. Empathetic and hopeful, but also at times dark ... like a herald warning of the dangers ahead.
There is no one living in America who can match the power of her voice.
Michelle Obama is our greatest living orator, and boy, did she deliver tonight.
This is why the Democrats stink at elections.
So instead of getting a strong, GROUNDBREAKING ticket like Michelle and Amy, OR Michelle and Pete OR Michelle and ANYONE ELSE we are settling for a meh-inspiring Joe and Kamala.
Re: 2020 Elections - Desperate Don is Panicking
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:31 pm
by a fan
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:27 pm
This is why the Democrats stink at elections.
So instead of getting a strong, GROUNDBREAKING ticket like Michelle and Amy, OR Michelle and Pete OR Michelle and ANYONE ELSE we are settling for a meh-inspiring Joe and Kamala.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:27 pm
This is why the Democrats stink at elections.
So instead of getting a strong, GROUNDBREAKING ticket like Michelle and Amy, OR Michelle and Pete OR Michelle and ANYONE ELSE we are settling for a meh-inspiring Joe and Kamala.
+1000
After nearly four years of “oh my %#*^+*% god” ... we could use a little “meh” (in addition to some old fashioned competence and decency).
DocBarrister
One of the great political takedowns in history
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:50 pm
by DocBarrister
“Donald Trump is the wrong president for our country,” Obama said. “He has had more than enough time to prove that he can do the job, but he is clearly in over his head. He cannot meet this moment. He simply cannot be who we need him to be for us. It is what it is.”
Succinct and powerful ... one of the great political takedowns in American history.
DocBarrister
Re: 2020 Elections - Desperate Don is Panicking
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:40 am
by CU77
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:27 pm
This is why the Democrats stink at elections.
So instead of getting a strong, GROUNDBREAKING ticket like Michelle and Amy, OR Michelle and Pete OR Michelle and ANYONE ELSE we are settling for a meh-inspiring Joe and Kamala.
Michelle Obama?
She wasn't running.
And a ticket with a black woman on it IS groundbreaking.
Re: 2020 Elections - Desperate Don is Panicking
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:48 am
by CU77
"His only pre-existing condition was trusting Donald Trump, and for that he paid with his life."
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:27 pm
This is why the Democrats stink at elections.
So instead of getting a strong, GROUNDBREAKING ticket like Michelle and Amy, OR Michelle and Pete OR Michelle and ANYONE ELSE we are settling for a meh-inspiring Joe and Kamala.
Michelle Obama?
She wasn't running.
And a ticket with a black woman on it IS groundbreaking.
I know she wasn’t. My Point is that the DNC simply has a lousy picker when it comes to presidential candidates. They should try to practice what they preach and inspire people. When they do that with their presidential nominees they are a force. When they settle they are Snoresville.
This year is Snoresville. No one votes or gets excited about a VP. Edwards, Kaine, Harris, Garfunkel, Oates and Messina.
Re: 2020 Elections - Desperate Don is Panicking
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:30 am
by DMac
kramerica is right. Another election where you're more voting against a person than for a person. A vote for Joe is one that Donald doesn't get, but is it because you're excited about Joe (the Ds should have put him to pasture long ago)? His VP choice was a gutless move, it's pretty much the definition of sexism and racism, IMO. The Ds played the gender card figuring it would trump all last time around, this time they're throwing the race card in with it with hopes of taking the pot that way. It aint over til it's over, so we'll see what happens.
Re: 2020 Elections - Desperate Don is Panicking
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:43 am
by seacoaster
DMac wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:30 am
kramerica is right. Another election where you're more voting against a person than for a person. A vote for Joe is one that Donald doesn't get, but is it because you're excited about Joe (the Ds should have put him to pasture long ago)? His VP choice was a gutless move, it's pretty much the definition of sexism and racism, IMO. The Ds played the gender card figuring it would trump all last time around, this time they're throwing the race card in with it with hopes of taking the pot that way. It aint over til it's over, so we'll see what happens.
I don't think Harris is a "race card;" she's an able, bright politician that appeals to a significant slice of the base of a political party. Is Mike Pence the religious, homophobe card?
But in other respects, Bret Stephens in the NY Times kind of agrees with DMac:
"The other day I spotted a sticker that read, “Settle for Biden, 2020.” It spoke for me.
To be a Biden conservative is to feel about as much enthusiasm for the presumptive Democratic nominee as a Sanders socialist might, albeit from the opposite direction. Everyone is aware of the former vice president’s foibles. Every conservative can point to his policy blunders and offenses.
The most obvious recommendations for Joe Biden are a succession of “isn’ts.” He isn’t Donald Trump. He isn’t Bernie Sanders. He isn’t angry, bigoted, cruel, demagogic, erratic, frightening or gross. He isn’t going to drive Americans to distraction or the country into a ditch.
Does anyone seriously doubt that, on the day President Biden enters office, the country would revert to a more normal version of itself — more so, at any rate, than it has been in the Bizarro World of the Trump years?
But there are stronger arguments for being a Biden conservative. The first has to do with the ideological state of our political parties.
I’ve argued before that the only way the Republican Party can again become a vehicle for conservative ideas is if Trump is trounced. Populists and philosophical conservatives may sometimes travel a common road, but they are heading now in different directions.
Morally, the central conservative idea is the restraint of personal and public gratification for the sake of virtue. The populist idea is disdain for restraint, even at the expense of virtue. Politically, the conservative idea is about the preservation of a constitutional order that is itself liberal. The populist idea opposes liberalism in the name of majoritarianism (even when it doesn’t command a majority). Economically, the conservative idea is that free markets foster personal enterprise, frugality, creativity, industry and other components of moral character. The populist idea is that free markets make you filthy rich.
And so on. To be a Biden conservative means wanting to Make Republicans Conservative Again — at least by something other than today’s degraded standards.
Being a Biden conservative also means wanting to keep Democrats liberal.
If nothing else, conservatives should feel grateful to Biden for thrashing Sanders in the primary — a reminder that, even if the most vocal and visible sides of the Democratic Party have become more progressive, a majority of its voters haven’t.
The success of liberal centrism now rests on the success of Biden’s candidacy; if Trump defeats him in November, the party could lurch far to the left, just as Republicans lurched far to the right after the successive losses by the McCain and Romney campaigns. Conservatives who worry that a Biden win will empower progressive Wokesters should fear how much more empowered they’ll be should he lose.
Beyond the state of the political parties is the state of the country. I came of age as a conservative when the great domestic issue of our time was the size and reach of the federal government. Under Trump, Republicans are hardly better than Democrats on that issue, and in many respects worse. Federal debt as a percentage of gross domestic product has never been higher since World War II. The gap between government spending and federal revenue has rarely been wider. “What, Me Worry?” says Alfred E. Trump.
But the domestic issue of our time is not the size of government. It’s the unity of the country. We are living through the most serious social unrest in 50 years. We have a president who sparks division by nature and stokes it by design.
Part of the country believes the government conspires against them. Another part believes history has conspired against them. The idea that these beliefs won’t get further radicalized in a second Trump administration is fantasy.
Whatever else he does, Biden won’t expend his political capital belittling, demeaning and humiliating other Americans. He won’t treat opponents as enemies, or subordinates as toadies, or take supporters for fools. Joe Biden is the Democratic equivalent of George H.W. Bush — another ambitious vice president who believed in loyalty and decency more than in any particular set of ideas. History remembers the senior Bush’s presidency well.
I also came of age as a conservative when the great foreign policy issue of the time was the survival and unity of what used to be called “the free world.” That was a world that believed in more-open borders, more free trade, greater unity among the democratic powers, greater resolve against the totalitarian powers of the day.
Whether it’s in his love letters with Kim Jong-un, his scorn for NATO, his asperity toward Angela Merkel, his credulity with Vladimir Putin, his undermining of the alliance with South Korea or his fire and flattery with Beijing, Trump is wrecking the idea of a free world, and of the possibility of America’s leadership of it. Conservatives used to care about this. They still should.
To be a Biden conservative isn’t easy. It’s about upholding your principles at the expense of your politics, and embracing mediocrity to ward off malevolence. Above all, it’s about curbing your enthusiasm. If that isn’t conservative, what is?"
No, you just don't want to listen.
Ah, the word from the Fanlax global ambassador...
Indeed.
