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Re: Conservative Ideology

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:01 pm
by jhu72

Re: Conservative Ideology

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:21 pm
by Essexfenwick
Ballot stuffing and payoff in Georgia on security cam

https://steadfastclash.com/the-latest/w ... n-georgia/

Uh oh…

Now Usurper Poopy Pants has us into WW3

Re: Conservative Ideology

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:57 pm
by RedFromMI
Essexfenwick wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:21 pm Ballot stuffing and payoff in Georgia on security cam

https://steadfastclash.com/the-latest/w ... n-georgia/

Uh oh…

Now Usurper Poopy Pants has us into WW3
Typical example of overhyping. While what the man is holding may actually be ballots, it is not a clear enough video to identify them as such, nor identify the person putting on the show for the ballot box camera. The $10 per vote put in the box is speculation with NO EVIDENCE supplied to the GBI to verify it.

So you MIGHT have the recording of a single instance of one man putting in maybe a half-dozen ballots. Unless you have much more you don't really have much of anything.

Now some groups have claimed this is widespread, but have failed to produce any viable evidence. They have claimed to have cellphone location data that puts some phones within 100 feet of some ballot box, but have failed to produce any names connected to any locations. The authorities who might investigate don't really have anything to work on, and would not be able to get any search warrants to look at location data with what they have been given. And this failure has been covered in the MSM - in particular by USA Today.

Re: Conservative Ideology

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:00 pm
by Essexfenwick
Stuffing 10 plus papers in ballot box being vote fraud is about the same probability that Joe has Dementia.

Aka 100 percent

Re: Conservative Ideology

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:18 pm
by seacoaster
Boycott Dumb. Especially when he is a functional 12 year old.

Re: Conservative Ideology

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:53 pm
by Peter Brown
seacoaster wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:18 pm Boycott Dumb. Especially when he is a functional 12 year old.



I’ve always been interested in this…assume that seacoaster believes that voting fraud occurred in the Tammany Hall days in NYC? I think we can all agree that voting fraud was basically endemic then, correct?

If you do subscribe to that eminent fact, what makes you think that American cities today aren’t equally prone to fraud? Do you believe that our government has cleaned it all up and now closely oversees city machine Democrats as they sway elections with no independent oversight? Really?

In 2012 in the fertile Democratic voting ground of Philadelphia, Mitt Romney received exactly zero votes in 59 precincts. 19,605 to 0. The probability of that score is less than you being eaten alive five times by sharks. No one even made an honest mistake! :lol:

Re: Conservative Ideology

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:57 pm
by FannOLax
Hey, if it's on the Steadfast Clash website, it must certainly be true!! Why didn't this surface about 16 months earlier??

Re: Conservative Ideology

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:36 pm
by seacoaster

Re: Conservative Ideology

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:42 am
by jhu72
FannOLax wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:57 pm Hey, if it's on the Steadfast Clash website, it must certainly be true!! Why didn't this surface about 16 months earlier??
... because the source is pure bullsh*t!

Re: Conservative Ideology

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:51 am
by jhu72
Lost in the Ukraine news: Donald Trump was not invited to the coming AEI event in Georgia. Strong evidence that Trump is beginning to lose his grip on the republiCON party. Well known never Trumpers are scheduled to speak.

Re: Conservative Ideology

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:58 am
by cradleandshoot
jhu72 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:42 am
FannOLax wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:57 pm Hey, if it's on the Steadfast Clash website, it must certainly be true!! Why didn't this surface about 16 months earlier??
... because the source is pure bullsh*t!
Who knows more about perpetuating bullchit than you?? :D

Re: Conservative Ideology

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:59 am
by jhu72
You, of course. :lol:

Re: Conservative Ideology

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:10 am
by Peter Brown
seacoaster wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:36 pm Vote Fraud:

https://www.wral.com/former-nc-congress ... /20175679/



I’m not sure this story (from the link) makes the point you think you’re making.

I agree that this is indeed voter fraud. Straight up, no need for further investigation. Meadows never lived in a ramshackle trailer in some woebegone part of North Carolina, at least not permanently.

We agree! Time to call the 👮‍♀️.

Hmmmmmm, big BUT.

Democrats always claim “there’s no voter fraud”. Well, it appears as if we found one indisputable, no doubt about it, clear as day case, so there is voter fraud, and we need an arrest! Now!!

BUT….the odd thing is, no one is indicting Meadows. Wuh?!? How can this guy escape the long arm of Johnny law when it’s clear as day he used a bs address simply to have the right to vote? Shouldn’t the perp walk have occurred already? Where is the Macon County prosecutor?!?

Oh…..that’s right. You see, the burden to prosecute voter fraud falls to the police who don’t have the resources to prosecute penny ante crime like this, choosing instead to chase rapists and murderers (if an individual wishes to challenge a specific voters registration, the burden to prove that falls to the person challenging the vote…good luck finding anyone willing to spend to do so!).

In this case, the police have failed to prosecute even though the case has been known now for at least six months. And no one from the local Democratic Party is challenging Meadows either, mostly because this county runs about 70% - 30% Republican to Democrat. So no one really cares about one vote.

How many other voter fraud cases exist of persons with phony baloney addresses, who don’t rise to the level of notoriety that get the New Yorker or other media to dive into their registration details? Ummmmmm…millions.

Re: Conservative Ideology

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:20 am
by Farfromgeneva
jhu72 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:51 am Lost in the Ukraine news: Donald Trump was not invited to the coming AEI event in Georgia. Strong evidence that Trump is beginning to lose his grip on the republiCON party. Well known never Trumpers are scheduled to speak.
We’re trying to run MTG over the border to AL so surely don’t want that fat trash clogging up our state.

Re: Conservative Ideology

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:26 am
by cradleandshoot
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:20 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:51 am Lost in the Ukraine news: Donald Trump was not invited to the coming AEI event in Georgia. Strong evidence that Trump is beginning to lose his grip on the republiCON party. Well known never Trumpers are scheduled to speak.
We’re trying to run MTG over the border to AL so surely don’t want that fat trash clogging up our state.
IMO, every day the dumpster becomes more and more irrelevant in the republican party. He will have his base supporters who should eventually pull their heads out of their arse and realize the dumpster only represents himself.

Re: Conservative Ideology

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:27 am
by Essexfenwick
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:20 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:51 am Lost in the Ukraine news: Donald Trump was not invited to the coming AEI event in Georgia. Strong evidence that Trump is beginning to lose his grip on the republiCON party. Well known never Trumpers are scheduled to speak.
We’re trying to run MTG over the border to AL so surely don’t want that fat trash clogging up our state.
She can do a lot of pull-ups for a fatty. Healthy Georgia Dems like Stacy (haystack) Adams can probably do more though.

Re: Conservative Ideology

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:41 am
by RedFromMI
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:10 am
seacoaster wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:36 pm Vote Fraud:

https://www.wral.com/former-nc-congress ... /20175679/



I’m not sure this story (from the link) makes the point you think you’re making.

I agree that this is indeed voter fraud. Straight up, no need for further investigation. Meadows never lived in a ramshackle trailer in some woebegone part of North Carolina, at least not permanently.

We agree! Time to call the 👮‍♀️.

Hmmmmmm, big BUT.

Democrats always claim “there’s no voter fraud”. Well, it appears as if we found one indisputable, no doubt about it, clear as day case, so there is voter fraud, and we need an arrest! Now!!

No, the claim is not there is NO voter fraud, but that except in RARE cases it does not rise to a level that changes an election, especially for larger jurisdictions (Senate, President, for example). You keep trying to move the goalposts.

BUT….the odd thing is, no one is indicting Meadows. Wuh?!? How can this guy escape the long arm of Johnny law when it’s clear as day he used a bs address simply to have the right to vote? Shouldn’t the perp walk have occurred already? Where is the Macon County prosecutor?!?

First, the way that NC law is written, someone (i.e. a voter locally) has to make the complaint. I suspect that given the articles now written this will happen.

Oh…..that’s right. You see, the burden to prosecute voter fraud falls to the police who don’t have the resources to prosecute penny ante crime like this, choosing instead to chase rapists and murderers (if an individual wishes to challenge a specific voters registration, the burden to prove that falls to the person challenging the vote…good luck finding anyone willing to spend to do so!).

The burden in this particular case is not that high - they already have investigative reporting that indicates Mr. Meadows never stayed at said residence. And it is a felony to lie on a voter registration. I would hope that this case gets an indictment.

In this case, the police have failed to prosecute even though the case has been known now for at least six months. And no one from the local Democratic Party is challenging Meadows either, mostly because this county runs about 70% - 30% Republican to Democrat. So no one really cares about one vote.

If they have known about it that falls on them, and in a big R area, that just seems like looking the other way. Publicity now makes it harder to keep doing so.

How many other voter fraud cases exist of persons with phony baloney addresses, who don’t rise to the level of notoriety that get the New Yorker or other media to dive into their registration details? Ummmmmm…millions. You have no proof of that number. In fact it is not that likely, as most states are not as relaxed as NC in allowing you to register via mail and have a return address that is a PO box. Perhaps the R dominated legislature in NC needs to revisit that law.

Re: Conservative Ideology

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:47 am
by Farfromgeneva
cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:26 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:20 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:51 am Lost in the Ukraine news: Donald Trump was not invited to the coming AEI event in Georgia. Strong evidence that Trump is beginning to lose his grip on the republiCON party. Well known never Trumpers are scheduled to speak.
We’re trying to run MTG over the border to AL so surely don’t want that fat trash clogging up our state.
IMO, every day the dumpster becomes more and more irrelevant in the republican party. He will have his base supporters who should eventually pull their heads out of their arse and realize the dumpster only represents himself.
But there's a significant cohort that follows his principles or approach to the country (and more scarily they believe the stuff or are even dumber than he is) who managed to get themselves seats in backwards, gerrymandered districts by winning primaries over the past couple of years.

Re: Conservative Ideology

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:56 am
by seacoaster
More on GOP vote fraudster, Mark Meadows. Shamelessness is a superpower:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... istration/

“I don’t want my vote or anyone else’s to be disenfranchised. … Do you realize how inaccurate the voter rolls are, with people just moving around. … Anytime you move, you’ll change your driver’s license, but you don’t call up and say, hey, by the way I’m re-registering.”

— Mark Meadows, at the time White House chief of staff, in an interview with CNN’s Jake Tapper, Aug. 16, 2020

“We need to make sure that everybody’s vote is cast. But we also need to make sure that no one else disenfranchises those by creating a fraud on the voting system.”

— Meadows, in an interview on ABC’s “This Week,” Aug. 23, 2020

In the run-up to the 2020 election, President Donald Trump repeatedly warned about potential election fraud — as did Meadows. But, apparently, what’s good for the goose is not always good for the gander.

About a month after Meadows made these statements, Charles Bethea of the New Yorker reported, Meadows and his wife, Debra, submitted voter registration forms that listed as their residential address a 14-by-62-foot mobile home with a rusted metal roof that sold for $105,000 in 2021.

The forms ask for a residential address — “where you physically live” — and are signed “under penalty of perjury.” According to Bethea’s reporting, Meadows and his wife have never lived there — and Meadows himself may have never set foot in the house. But the couple used that address to cast ballots in the 2020 general election, North Carolina voting records show.

Six months earlier, in March 2020, Meadows sold, for $370,000, a house in Sapphire, N.C., meaning the couple no longer had a place of residence in the state. Instead, they lived at the time in a condominium in Old Town Alexandria in Virginia. But that did not stop Debra Meadows from using the old Sapphire registration to cast a ballot in a June primary runoff election for someone for whom she had done fundraising.

These votes appear to be the exact scenario that Meadows and Trump warned about. Indeed, in his memoir, “The Chief’s Chief,” Meadows wrote: “If we could get a few more Republicans to show up in places like Minneapolis and Bemidji in November, we would be able to win not only Minnesota, but the whole election — assuming, of course, that everyone else who votes was alive, a real person, and an actual resident of the state they were voting in. That last part turned out to be a little harder than we thought.”

Were Meadows and his wife actual residents of the state they were voting in? It does not look like it.

The Facts

When Meadows left Congress to join Trump’s White House, 12 candidates vied in the Republican primary for North Carolina’s 11th Congressional District on March 3, 2020. Lynda Bennett, a friend of the Meadows’, led the pack with 22.7 percent of the vote. In a surprise, political novice Madison Cawthorn finished second with 20.4 percent, edging out Jim Davis, a member of the General Assembly. The fractured showing required a runoff between Bennett and Cawthorn on June 23.

Debra had campaigned heavily for Bennett, attending fundraisers for her across the state. On March 26, the Meadows sold their home in North Carolina, property records show.

That left the couple only with two undeveloped parcels of land in the state, according to his financial disclosure form.

Nevertheless, Debra voted in the June 23 runoff, using her Transylvania County registration to vote early, voting records show. Mark Meadows did not vote in the runoff, although he did secure an endorsement from Trump for Bennett two weeks before that election. Bennett’s overwhelming loss — Cawthorn beat her 66 percent to 34 percent — was considered a “black eye” for Trump and an embarrassment for Meadows.

Both Mark and Debra Meadows voted in the 2020 general election, with Mark listed as voting by absentee ballot; Debra voted early in person.

Less than two months before the election — and three weeks before the state’s voter registration deadline — Mark and Debra Meadows filed voter registration forms listing the mobile home as their residence. Both forms appear to have been filled out by the same hand; they were released with the signatures redacted.

Interestingly, Meadows’s mother, Mary Gail Garwood, had lived at and voted from the Sapphire property in 2012, 2014 and 2016. She then registered to vote in Georgia on Sept. 12, 2018. Mark listed the property for sale the next day, Sept. 13, 2018.

For many years before, the Meadows lived in and voted from Jackson County in a house they sold in 2016 for almost $1.3 million. They then moved to an apartment in Asheville in 2018, a move Meadows said was temporary, according to local newspaper accounts. The couple even switched party registrations in 2008 to vote in the Democratic presidential primary as part of “Operation Chaos,” a Rush Limbaugh-inspired tactic to keep alive the lengthy presidential primary battle between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

Now, as the 2020 general election loomed, the couple listed a house four miles north of the border with Georgia that they did not own or live in as their primary residence. To register to vote in North Carolina, a citizen must have lived in the county where they are registering and have resided there for at least 30 days before the date of the election, according to the state’s board of elections.

The former owner (unidentified in the article) told the New Yorker that Debra Meadows had rented the house once but spent only one or two nights there; Mark Meadows never stayed at all. When the house was put on the market in the summer of 2020, she said, Meadows never expressed interest in buying it.

Both Mark and Debra listed a post office box as the mailing address. The director of the county Board of Elections told the magazine that if a voter registration card is not sent back as undeliverable, then the voter goes into the system. Both forms, filed Sept. 19, list the move-in date as the next day: Sept. 20.

Yet the real estate agent still listed the property for sale on Facebook on Sept. 23. The property’s address was later used by Meadows when he requested an absentee ballot on Oct. 1, records obtained by WRAL show. The absentee ballot was requested on his behalf by Debra, the document shows.

The 900-square-foot mobile home, with its modest bedrooms, is a far cry from the family’s old 6,000-square-foot house in Jackson County, which had four bedrooms and 5.5 bathrooms and was on a nearly six-acre lot. As the mobile home’s current owner told the New Yorker: “It was not the kind of place you’d think the chief of staff of the president would be staying.”

Indeed, in 2021, Meadows purchased a three-story waterfront home of more than 6,000 square feet in South Carolina for nearly $1.6 million.

Ben Williamson, a spokesman for Mark Meadows, did not respond to text or phone messages. George Terwilliger III, a Meadows attorney, also did not respond to a request for comment. Debra Meadows did not respond to emails sent to her email address at Right Women PAC, where she is executive director, or to several personal email addresses. She also did not respond to a phone message.

The Heritage Foundation maintains a voter-fraud database with numerous instances of politicians being charged for filing false voter registration forms.

Steve Watkins, a GOP House member from Kansas, was charged with three felonies in 2020 after he listed a postal box at a UPS store as his residence on a state voter registration form while living temporarily at his parents’ home during a 2019 municipal election. In Pennsylvania, Richard Cummings, a county school board member, moved from Westmoreland County to Allegheny County in 2009, but continued voting at his Westmoreland address through the 2016 general election. He pleaded guilty and was sentenced to one year of probation.

The Bottom Line

Meadows, of course, had an important job for the federal government — White House chief of staff. Perhaps that’s a possible excuse, but he did sign the form.

Meanwhile, Debra Meadows appears to have voted twice under suspicious circumstances — first in the runoff primary from the address of a home that had been sold three months earlier, and then by signing a form under “penalty of perjury” that her primary residence was a trailer home in the mountains when she did not live there.

Voter fraud is relatively rare. It’s jarring to see such fishy behavior by someone who decried it."

Re: Conservative Ideology

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:45 am
by Peter Brown
Arrest him today, or your entire thesis about ‘there’s no voter fraud’ is gone forever.