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Re: Our Undeclared Wars

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:10 am
by NattyBohChamps04
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:41 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Jan 09, 2024 3:53 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:36 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Jan 09, 2024 12:37 pm LOL when did I say Iran did nothing wrong?

I had one simple question I asked you multiple times that you never answered.

"how many people in the US Military have been injured by Iranian IEDs since Biden took office?"

And you came back with the people who were injured and killed a decade and a half before Biden took office. :lol:

Reading is fundamental.
Reading is fundamental. Read the link that I posted. The point of discussion is actually relevant. Iran has worked diligently since 2003 to manufacture the devastating EFP devises that have killed and maimed so many of our service members. If you have not read the link I posted there is no reason for you to chime in. Do 73 default judgements against Iran in a United States court of law hold any weight with you?? You might want to get up to speed about what the conversation is all about.
Was already up to speed. I asked you a question directly related to the discussion, which you never answered. But went off on a tangent instead.

Was a very simple question too.
Sorry I missed your question. If you want to repeat your question I'll be happy to give you a response. I ask questions all of the time here that none of you cowards will answer. Maybe I'll give you a very simple response. That will still most likely be too complex for you to reply to. Go for it hero... ask me your simple question. I already know that simple minds ask simple questions. Your mind is as simple as they come.....
Did... did you not see the question in large bold print in the post above? That was asked like 3-4 times? :lol: :roll:

Here ya go, just for fun I'll post it again for your enjoyment. Even though I already answered it. Enjoy.

"how many people in the US Military have been injured by Iranian IEDs since Biden took office?

Re: Our Undeclared Wars

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:09 pm
by cradleandshoot
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:10 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:41 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Jan 09, 2024 3:53 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:36 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Jan 09, 2024 12:37 pm LOL when did I say Iran did nothing wrong?

I had one simple question I asked you multiple times that you never answered.

"how many people in the US Military have been injured by Iranian IEDs since Biden took office?"

And you came back with the people who were injured and killed a decade and a half before Biden took office. :lol:

Reading is fundamental.
Reading is fundamental. Read the link that I posted. The point of discussion is actually relevant. Iran has worked diligently since 2003 to manufacture the devastating EFP devises that have killed and maimed so many of our service members. If you have not read the link I posted there is no reason for you to chime in. Do 73 default judgements against Iran in a United States court of law hold any weight with you?? You might want to get up to speed about what the conversation is all about.
Was already up to speed. I asked you a question directly related to the discussion, which you never answered. But went off on a tangent instead.

Was a very simple question too.
Sorry I missed your question. If you want to repeat your question I'll be happy to give you a response. I ask questions all of the time here that none of you cowards will answer. Maybe I'll give you a very simple response. That will still most likely be too complex for you to reply to. Go for it hero... ask me your simple question. I already know that simple minds ask simple questions. Your mind is as simple as they come.....
Did... did you not see the question in large bold print in the post above? That was asked like 3-4 times? :lol: :roll:

Here ya go, just for fun I'll post it again for your enjoyment. Even though I already answered it. Enjoy.

"how many people in the US Military have been injured by Iranian IEDs since Biden took office?
My bad... I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH ALL OF THOSE MILITARY PERSONNEL murdered by Iranian IED and EDF devices from 2003 on up. Too bad you don't give a chit about those lives. Too bad you don't give a chit about holding Iran responsible. To bad you simply just don't give a chit period.

Re: Our Undeclared Wars

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:10 pm
by cradleandshoot
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:09 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:10 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:41 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Jan 09, 2024 3:53 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:36 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Jan 09, 2024 12:37 pm LOL when did I say Iran did nothing wrong?

I had one simple question I asked you multiple times that you never answered.

"how many people in the US Military have been injured by Iranian IEDs since Biden took office?"

And you came back with the people who were injured and killed a decade and a half before Biden took office. :lol:

Reading is fundamental.
Reading is fundamental. Read the link that I posted. The point of discussion is actually relevant. Iran has worked diligently since 2003 to manufacture the devastating EFP devises that have killed and maimed so many of our service members. If you have not read the link I posted there is no reason for you to chime in. Do 73 default judgements against Iran in a United States court of law hold any weight with you?? You might want to get up to speed about what the conversation is all about.
Was already up to speed. I asked you a question directly related to the discussion, which you never answered. But went off on a tangent instead.

Was a very simple question too.
Sorry I missed your question. If you want to repeat your question I'll be happy to give you a response. I ask questions all of the time here that none of you cowards will answer. Maybe I'll give you a very simple response. That will still most likely be too complex for you to reply to. Go for it hero... ask me your simple question. I already know that simple minds ask simple questions. Your mind is as simple as they come.....
Did... did you not see the question in large bold print in the post above? That was asked like 3-4 times? :lol: :roll:

Here ya go, just for fun I'll post it again for your enjoyment. Even though I already answered it. Enjoy.

"how many people in the US Military have been injured by Iranian IEDs since Biden took office?
My bad... I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH ALL OF THOSE MILITARY PERSONNEL murdered by Iranian IED and EDF devices from 2003 on up. Too bad you don't give a chit about those lives. Too bad you don't give a chit about holding Iran responsible. To bad you simply just don't give a chit period.
you might as well just stick your head back up your ass where it belongs. The fresh air isn't doing you any good.

Re: Our Undeclared Wars

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 3:41 pm
by NattyBohChamps04
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:10 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:09 pm My bad... I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH ALL OF THOSE MILITARY PERSONNEL murdered by Iranian IED and EDF devices from 2003 on up. Too bad you don't give a chit about those lives. Too bad you don't give a chit about holding Iran responsible. To bad you simply just don't give a chit period.
you might as well just stick your head back up your ass where it belongs. The fresh air isn't doing you any good.
Did you just tell yourself to stick your head up your own a$$?

And of course you never answered my question. :lol: We're talking about personnel deaths since Biden took office here.

Somehow asking about deaths since Biden took office now means I don't care about any deaths before he took office? You really make a lot of stupid, wrong assumptions about what I think about Iran and people hurt by them. I think your head's already stuck up where the sun don't shine. Would explain the b.s. being spewn. :lol:

Re: Our Undeclared Wars

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 6:23 pm
by old salt
Latest from Defense One on the Red Sea war.
Houthi Red Sea attacks continue
U.S. and British ships shot down nearly two dozen drones and missiles in a “complex attack” launched by the Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen Tuesday evening, U.S. military officials at the Tampa-based Central Command said on social media. “Dozens of merchant vessels” were transiting the Red Sea when the attack occurred at about 9 p.m. local, CENTCOM said.

The shoot downs required “a combined effort of F/A-18s” as well as the crews of USS Gravely, USS Laboon, USS Mason, and the United Kingdom’s HMS Diamond. Two cruise missiles, one anti-ship ballistic missile, and 18 different drones were deployed by the Houthis in the attack, which was the 26th such attack on commercial shipping since November 19, CENTCOM said.

British defense chief Grant Schapps called it “the largest attack by the Iranian-backed Houthis in the Red Sea to date.”

Re: Our Undeclared Wars

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:12 am
by OCanada
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 3:41 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:10 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:09 pm My bad... I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH ALL OF THOSE MILITARY PERSONNEL murdered by Iranian IED and EDF devices from 2003 on up. Too bad you don't give a chit about those lives. Too bad you don't give a chit about holding Iran responsible. To bad you simply just don't give a chit period.
you might as well just stick your head back up your ass where it belongs. The fresh air isn't doing you any good.
Did you just tell yourself to stick your head up your own a$$?

And of course you never answered my question. :lol: We're talking about personnel deaths since Biden took office here.

Somehow asking about deaths since Biden took office now means I don't care about any deaths before he took office? You really make a lot of stupid, wrong assumptions about what I think about Iran and people hurt by them. I think your head's already stuck up where the sun don't shine. Would explain the b.s. being spewn. :lol:
Cradle Just to be clear, the fallacy here is not just that Cradle is trying to shift the burden of proof, bad as that is. The fallacy is in the implication that unless you meet some particular burden of proof – finding a better analogy (to use the correct term) – Cradle isn’t wrong. Or isn’t as wrong. That’s just silly. Cradle is wrong because he’s wrong. Nothing to do with whether anyone can come up with something less wrong. Besides,Cradle snd others here has already done that. It is one of his go to moves. He has fone it when presented with this kind of thing

Re: Our Undeclared Wars

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:12 am
by OCanada
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 3:41 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:10 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:09 pm My bad... I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH ALL OF THOSE MILITARY PERSONNEL murdered by Iranian IED and EDF devices from 2003 on up. Too bad you don't give a chit about those lives. Too bad you don't give a chit about holding Iran responsible. To bad you simply just don't give a chit period.
you might as well just stick your head back up your ass where it belongs. The fresh air isn't doing you any good.
Did you just tell yourself to stick your head up your own a$$?

And of course you never answered my question. :lol: We're talking about personnel deaths since Biden took office here.

Somehow asking about deaths since Biden took office now means I don't care about any deaths before he took office? You really make a lot of stupid, wrong assumptions about what I think about Iran and people hurt by them. I think your head's already stuck up where the sun don't shine. Would explain the b.s. being spewn. :lol:
Cradle Just to be clear, the fallacy here is not just that Cradle is trying to shift the burden of proof, bad as that is. The fallacy is in the implication that unless you meet some particular burden of proof – finding a better analogy (to use the correct term) – Cradle isn’t wrong. Or isn’t as wrong. That’s just silly. Cradle is wrong because he’s wrong. Nothing to do with whether anyone can come up with something less wrong. Besides,Cradle snd others here has already done that. It is one of his go to moves. He has fone it when presented with this kind of thing

Re: Our Undeclared Wars

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:56 pm
by Kismet
US reportedly striking multiple land targets inside western Yemen against Houthi missile and drone launching sites. F-18s from USS Eisenhower and Tomahawk missiles from naval assets in the Red Sea. UK ships also launching from their naval assets in the area.

Re: Our Undeclared Wars

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 7:35 pm
by youthathletics
Kismet wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:56 pm US reportedly striking multiple land targets inside western Yemen against Houthi missile and drone launching sites. F-18s from USS Eisenhower and Tomahawk missiles from naval assets in the Red Sea. UK ships also launching from their naval assets in the area.
Saw a handful of social media posts out of UK earlier today, but nothing locked in. They were sayin Biden was going to speak as well.

Re: Our Undeclared Wars

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2024 12:42 am
by old salt
The UK MOD, in their announcement, said RAF aircraft were part of a US-UK strike.
Reuters reported that RAF Thyphoons launched from their RAF base in Cyprus.

Their route of flight (& their tankers) & overflight countries will be interesting.
They might have gone Cyprus--Israel--Saudi Arabia. If not, it would have been complicated.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-britai ... 024-01-11/

looking at the Reuters photo above, it looks like a PGM seeker head extending from the right side inboard pylon, just forward of the engine intake, illuminated by the glare of the landing light. One report I saw said our F-18's struck with PGM's.
The US sub & destroyers would have launched Tomahawk cruise missiles. Over a dozen sites struck.
https://www.wearefinn.com/topics/posts/ ... -typhoons/
Typhoons ...carry the 1,000lb Enhanced Paveway II precision-guided munition (PGM), ...tranche 2 carries the 500lb Paveway IV PGM. The latter is a more modern, more versatile bomb, which we are using in the Middle East against Daesh.

I greatly admire the Brits. They can't afford the latest & greatest weapons systems, in large numbers, but when we need them, they're there with us. They find a way to get into the fight. By being a consistent, loyal ally, they leverage US power to remain a great power themselves. Our other NATO allies could learn from them.

Re: Our Undeclared Wars

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:26 am
by old salt
More details on the strike. Included USAF strike fighters from a US base in the ME.
https://news.usni.org/2024/01/11/us-str ... subsurface

U.S. Strikes Houthi Targets in Yemen From Air, Surface and Subsurface

by HEATHER MONGILIO, JANUARY 11, 2024 7:12 PM - UPDATED: JANUARY 12, 2024 12:00 AM

The U.S. and the United Kingdom conducted a series of strikes on Houthi targets in Yemen Thursday in retaliation for nearly three months of attacks on commercial shipping in the Middle East.

Strikes came from the air, surface and subsurface, a defense official told USNI News Thursday. Air Force strike fighters originating from a base in the Middle East and Super Hornets from USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN-69) were involved, USNI News understands. The U.S. also launched Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles launched from ships in the Red Sea and at least one submarine, as well. U.S. officials would not identify the submarine, but Ohio-class guided-missile submarine USS Florida (SSGN-728) entered the Red Sea in November. Florida can carry up to 154 Tomahawk missiles.

The strike was at approximately 2:30 a.m. local time, about 30 minutes after the Houthis launched an anti-ship ballistic missile at shipping lanes in the Gulf of Aden, according to a Central Command release.

U.K. Secretary of State for Defence Grant Shapps said on social media site X that four Royal Air Force Typhoon FGR4s conducted precision strikes on two Houthi military targets.

One of the targets was in Bani, located in northwestern Yemen, which Houthi used to launch attack and reconnaissance drones. Aircraft targeted a number of buildings at the site, the U.K. Ministry of Defence said in a statement.

The other site was an airfield at Abbs, Yemen. The Ministry of Defence said that the Houthis have used the airfield to launch cruise missiles and drones.

The U.S. hit 60 targets at 16 Houthi locations, which included munition depots, command nodes, production facilities, air defense radar systems and launching systems, U.S. Air Forces Central said in a release.

“This multi-national strike reinforces the international community’s commitment to freedom of navigation and against repeated Houthi anti-ship ballistic missiles, unmanned aerial vehicles, and cruise missiles attacks on commercial and U.S. and coalition military vessels in the Red Sea,” reads the release.

The U.S. and U.K. were supported by Australia, Bahrain, Canada and the Netherlands, a senior administration official said Thursday.

As of 8:30 p.m. Thursday, the U.S. is not tracking any Houthi response to the strikes, a senior military official told reporters. The attack was separate from Operation Prosperity Guardian, which is a defensive partnership to protect shipping in the Red Sea.

This is the first time the U.S. has attacked the Houthis since the Yemen-based group started launching drones and missiles into the Red Sea.

“This was a significant action,” the senior administration official said. “And conducted with every objective and every expectation it will degrade in a significant way the Houthis capability launch exactly the sorts of attacks that they have conducted over the period of recent weeks.”

The senior military official on the press call could not give details about damage from the strikes.

The strikes targeted sites that the U.S. determined were associated with the Houthis’ drone, missile and surveillance capabilities, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin said in a statement. Follow-up actions could be taken if needed, according to the statement.

“This action is intended to disrupt and degrade the Houthis’ capabilities to endanger mariners and threaten global trade in one of world’s most critical waterways,” Austin said in the statement. “Today’s coalition action sends a clear message to the Houthis that they will bear further costs if they do not end their illegal attacks.”

The Houthi actions in the Red Sea have been destabilizing and dangerous, U.K. Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said in a statement.

“This cannot stand,” Sunak said in his statement. “The United Kingdom will always stand up for freedom of navigation and the free flow of trade. We have therefore taken limited, necessary and proportionate action in self-defence, alongside the United States with non-operational support from the Netherlands, Canada and Bahrain against targets tied to these attacks, to degrade Houthi military capabilities and protect global shipping.”

The Houthis launched the 27th attack on commercial shipping since Nov. 19 on Thursday, U.S. Central Command said in a statement on social media site X. The Houthis fired an anti-ship ballistic missile at shipping lanes in the Gulf of Aden. One commercial vessel said it saw the missile fall into the water. No injuries or damages to ships were reported.

The Houthis also launched drones, anti-ship cruise and anti-ship ballistic missiles at international shipping lanes in the Red Sea on Tuesday.

USS Laboon (DDG-58), USS Gravely (DDG-107), USS Mason (DDG-87) and F/A-18 Super Hornet from Eisenhower (CVN-69), along with the United Kingdom Royal Navy’s HMS Diamond (D34), shot down 18 one-way attack unmanned aerial vehicles, two anti-ship cruise missiles and one anti-ship ballistic missile.

Tuesday’s attack was one of the largest attacks in the Red Sea in recent months, and the missiles and drones were launched directly against U.S. ships, a senior administration official told reporters Thursday. This is the first time that the attacks in the U.S. have been classified as targeting U.S. ships.

Pentagon Press Secretary Maj. Gen. Patrick Ryder told reporters Thursday that the U.S. ships and aircraft shot down the drones and missiles in self-defense, but he did not say that the ships were targeted.

“And so as an attack drone, or as a missile comes within the threat range of a US military vessel, or in a crowded international shipping lane, they have — those vessels — have the right– those crews — have the right to defend themselves,” Ryder said. “And shoot first, ask questions later in terms of protecting protecting lives.”

While Central Command is counting attacks on shipping since Nov. 19, the Houthis started the attacks on Oct. 19, when the group fired three land-attack missiles and a number of drones, which USS Carney (DDG-64) shot down with SM-2s, USNI News reported.

The U.S., along with 12 allies, sent a warning to the Houthis to stop firing upon ships in the Red Sea. The Houthis said they would attack any ship affiliated with Israel or heading to or from the country. The Houthis have also warned that they will respond to the death of 10 Houthis killed by helicopter crew from Eisenhower and Gravely returning fire.

While the Houthis have said they are attacking ships with some Israel connection, the senior administration official said that it is false.

“They are firing indiscriminately on vessels with global ties,” the senior administration official said. “Most of the ships that have come under attack have nothing whatsoever to do with Israel. And even if they were, even if that were not the case, it is no justification for these illegal attacks in international waterways.”
Historic analogy ==> https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval-hi ... rebles-war
except for the Brits, our EU NATO allies are remarkably consistent. Just pay tribute & ransoms.

Re: Our Undeclared Wars

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2024 6:00 am
by cradleandshoot
OCanada wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:12 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 3:41 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:10 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:09 pm My bad... I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH ALL OF THOSE MILITARY PERSONNEL murdered by Iranian IED and EDF devices from 2003 on up. Too bad you don't give a chit about those lives. Too bad you don't give a chit about holding Iran responsible. To bad you simply just don't give a chit period.
you might as well just stick your head back up your ass where it belongs. The fresh air isn't doing you any good.
Did you just tell yourself to stick your head up your own a$$?

And of course you never answered my question. :lol: We're talking about personnel deaths since Biden took office here.

Somehow asking about deaths since Biden took office now means I don't care about any deaths before he took office? You really make a lot of stupid, wrong assumptions about what I think about Iran and people hurt by them. I think your head's already stuck up where the sun don't shine. Would explain the b.s. being spewn. :lol:
Cradle Just to be clear, the fallacy here is not just that Cradle is trying to shift the burden of proof, bad as that is. The fallacy is in the implication that unless you meet some particular burden of proof – finding a better analogy (to use the correct term) – Cradle isn’t wrong. Or isn’t as wrong. That’s just silly. Cradle is wrong because he’s wrong. Nothing to do with whether anyone can come up with something less wrong. Besides,Cradle snd others here has already done that. It is one of his go to moves. He has fone it when presented with this kind of thing
So rejecting the 2 nincompoops the 2 major parties are putting forward to lead this nation makes me wrong?? If that is the case I've never been happier to be wrong. This theory of being forced to accept the lesser of 2 evils ain't working for me. Please give me a 3rd option.

Re: Our Undeclared Wars

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2024 7:45 am
by cradleandshoot
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 3:41 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:10 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:09 pm My bad... I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH ALL OF THOSE MILITARY PERSONNEL murdered by Iranian IED and EDF devices from 2003 on up. Too bad you don't give a chit about those lives. Too bad you don't give a chit about holding Iran responsible. To bad you simply just don't give a chit period.
you might as well just stick your head back up your ass where it belongs. The fresh air isn't doing you any good.
Did you just tell yourself to stick your head up your own a$$?

And of course you never answered my question. :lol: We're talking about personnel deaths since Biden took office here.

Somehow asking about deaths since Biden took office now means I don't care about any deaths before he took office? You really make a lot of stupid, wrong assumptions about what I think about Iran and people hurt by them. I think your head's already stuck up where the sun don't shine. Would explain the b.s. being spewn. :lol:
All I get from your response is that you don't care. That is not a big surprise to me. Maybe you should try extricating your head from your anus. The fresh air will do you a world of good. FTR, even up my anus the sun shines brightly and the fresh air flows freely. I do know of 13 military personnel who gave their lives at the request of their CoC. Come the election of 2024 brain damaged sleepy joe will be held accountable for his humiliating retreat from Afghanistan. I suppose he could have consulted with his Sec Def? Funny how when the Sec Def was being treated for prostate cancer he was still smart enough not to trust his own boss. Tells you all you need to know about brain damaged joe if you pay attention to detail. How many of you out there still remember that brain damaged Joe was the one guy on BHOs team that was against the assassination of Osama Bin Laden You and your particular ideology is a bigger threat to our country than trump could ever be. trump will go away, your vision for the destruction of America will still live on until you all are crushed like cockroaches.

Re: Our Undeclared Wars

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:21 am
by NattyBohChamps04
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2024 7:45 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 3:41 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:10 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:09 pm My bad... I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH ALL OF THOSE MILITARY PERSONNEL murdered by Iranian IED and EDF devices from 2003 on up. Too bad you don't give a chit about those lives. Too bad you don't give a chit about holding Iran responsible. To bad you simply just don't give a chit period.
you might as well just stick your head back up your ass where it belongs. The fresh air isn't doing you any good.
Did you just tell yourself to stick your head up your own a$$?

And of course you never answered my question. :lol: We're talking about personnel deaths since Biden took office here.

Somehow asking about deaths since Biden took office now means I don't care about any deaths before he took office? You really make a lot of stupid, wrong assumptions about what I think about Iran and people hurt by them. I think your head's already stuck up where the sun don't shine. Would explain the b.s. being spewn. :lol:
All I get from your response is that you don't care. That is not a big surprise to me. Maybe you should try extricating your head from your anus. The fresh air will do you a world of good. FTR, even up my anus the sun shines brightly and the fresh air flows freely. I do know of 13 military personnel who gave their lives at the request of their CoC. Come the election of 2024 brain damaged sleepy joe will be held accountable for his humiliating retreat from Afghanistan. I suppose he could have consulted with his Sec Def? Funny how when the Sec Def was being treated for prostate cancer he was still smart enough not to trust his own boss. Tells you all you need to know about brain damaged joe if you pay attention to detail. How many of you out there still remember that brain damaged Joe was the one guy on BHOs team that was against the assassination of Osama Bin Laden You and your particular ideology is a bigger threat to our country than trump could ever be. trump will go away, your vision for the destruction of America will still live on until you all are crushed like cockroaches.
And all I get from your response is you obviously don't care about US military personnel today. Maybe you did back in the day, like when Trump was handing money to the Democrats. You also can't answer simple questions or talk about today's issues without whining about how things were when you were a whipper snapper. Keep up the good work!

Re: Our Undeclared Wars

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:50 am
by cradleandshoot
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:21 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2024 7:45 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 3:41 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:10 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:09 pm My bad... I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH ALL OF THOSE MILITARY PERSONNEL murdered by Iranian IED and EDF devices from 2003 on up. Too bad you don't give a chit about those lives. Too bad you don't give a chit about holding Iran responsible. To bad you simply just don't give a chit period.
you might as well just stick your head back up your ass where it belongs. The fresh air isn't doing you any good.
Did you just tell yourself to stick your head up your own a$$?

And of course you never answered my question. :lol: We're talking about personnel deaths since Biden took office here.

Somehow asking about deaths since Biden took office now means I don't care about any deaths before he took office? You really make a lot of stupid, wrong assumptions about what I think about Iran and people hurt by them. I think your head's already stuck up where the sun don't shine. Would explain the b.s. being spewn. :lol:
All I get from your response is that you don't care. That is not a big surprise to me. Maybe you should try extricating your head from your anus. The fresh air will do you a world of good. FTR, even up my anus the sun shines brightly and the fresh air flows freely. I do know of 13 military personnel who gave their lives at the request of their CoC. Come the election of 2024 brain damaged sleepy joe will be held accountable for his humiliating retreat from Afghanistan. I suppose he could have consulted with his Sec Def? Funny how when the Sec Def was being treated for prostate cancer he was still smart enough not to trust his own boss. Tells you all you need to know about brain damaged joe if you pay attention to detail. How many of you out there still remember that brain damaged Joe was the one guy on BHOs team that was against the assassination of Osama Bin Laden You and your particular ideology is a bigger threat to our country than trump could ever be. trump will go away, your vision for the destruction of America will still live on until you all are crushed like cockroaches.
And all I get from your response is you obviously don't care about US military personnel today. Maybe you did back in the day, like when Trump was handing money to the Democrats. You also can't answer simple questions or talk about today's issues without whining about how things were when you were a whipper snapper. Keep up the good work!
All of that whimpering I did back in the day amounts to a hill of beans today. You are so effing clueless to understand why todays issues are so connected to the issues of 30/40 years ago. Why don't you lecture me as to how your vision for the conflict between Israel and Hamas plays out? You can talk the talk, can you walk the walk.. A bunch of Hamas terrorists did their Pearl Harbor on October 7. They murdered 1200 innocent Israel citizens. I need to correct this, they butchered 1200 innocent Israeli citizens enjoying an outdoor concert. They planned this attack for a very long time. The Palestinians in Gaza had NO IDEA this act of war would come back to bite them in the ass. In WW2 most German citizens claimed no knowledge of the Holocaust either. Those innocent German people who died in the inferno of Dresden might as well be Palestinians. Why was a city like Dresden consider such a threat to the allies? Maybe it was because the citizens of Dresden were Nazis at heart. Explains a lot doesn't it???

Re: Our Undeclared Wars

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:52 am
by youthathletics
Nattyboh - "all I get from your response is you obviously don't care about US military personnel today. "

Gaslighting defined!

Re: Our Undeclared Wars

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:07 am
by MDlaxfan76
youthathletics wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:52 am Nattyboh - "all I get from your response is you obviously don't care about US military personnel today. "

Gaslighting defined!
Did you follow closely the discussion?
If not, might want to read or re-read post after post after post of cradle's diatribes and personal attacks, and avoidance of a serious question, again and again and again.

Or were you giving nattyboh a high five for serving cradle a bit of his own medicine in his last retort?

Seriously, I think the personal attacks are over the top and do nothing to illuminate the topics. Jibes can be fun, but some of the angry stuff doesn't serve any productive purpose. IMO.

Re: Our Undeclared Wars

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:10 am
by NattyBohChamps04
youthathletics wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:52 am Nattyboh - "all I get from your response is you obviously don't care about US military personnel today. "

Gaslighting defined!
C&s - "all i get from your response is that you don't care."

C&S literally said the exact same thing in the post I was quoting. You didn't pick up on that? That I was responding in the same exact ridiculous manner that C&S was to highlight how insanely idiotic his statement was? You are using gaslighting incorrectly too. :lol:

I guess it is a lacrosse board, my expectations are probably a little high...

Re: Our Undeclared Wars

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:27 am
by NattyBohChamps04
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:50 am All of that whimpering I did back in the day amounts to a hill of beans today. You are so effing clueless to understand why todays issues are so connected to the issues of 30/40 years ago. Why don't you lecture me as to how your vision for the conflict between Israel and Hamas plays out? You can talk the talk, can you walk the walk.. A bunch of Hamas terrorists did their Pearl Harbor on October 7. They murdered 1200 innocent Israel citizens. I need to correct this, they butchered 1200 innocent Israeli citizens enjoying an outdoor concert. They planned this attack for a very long time. The Palestinians in Gaza had NO IDEA this act of war would come back to bite them in the ass. In WW2 most German citizens claimed no knowledge of the Holocaust either. Those innocent German people who died in the inferno of Dresden might as well be Palestinians. Why was a city like Dresden consider such a threat to the allies? Maybe it was because the citizens of Dresden were Nazis at heart. Explains a lot doesn't it???
You still didn't answer my very simple question.

And you don't seem to know anything about how Biden is handling the Iranian situation. Or the Israel and Palestinian situation.

Obviously the past influences today's issues. It's so obvious that even you are aware of it. Even if you're not up to speed on today's events. But Roosevelt's not the president. Reagan's not the president.

Speaking of Nazis, Ignorance and apathy is what leads to groups like them gaining power. One of the main Nazi propaganda points was how the Germans were victims of various oppressors (Jews, rest of Europe, etc). Too many people, including you, ignore that they're fed the same b.s. in today's world. Fed it to hate others and consolidate power for a few.

Hamas still has Israeli hostages BTW. You don't seem to talk about them though.

Re: Our Undeclared Wars

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:36 am
by youthathletics
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:07 am
youthathletics wrote: Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:52 am Nattyboh - "all I get from your response is you obviously don't care about US military personnel today. "

Gaslighting defined!
Did you follow closely the discussion?
If not, might want to read or re-read post after post after post of cradle's diatribes and personal attacks, and avoidance of a serious question, again and again and again.

Or were you giving nattyboh a high five for serving cradle a bit of his own medicine in his last retort?

Seriously, I think the personal attacks are over the top and do nothing to illuminate the topics. Jibes can be fun, but some of the angry stuff doesn't serve any productive purpose. IMO.
No need to follow the discussion closely. If anyone questions craddle's authenticity about those serving, well, then....they are gaslighting him when they imply he does not.

Not answering a question(s) from some fellow posters is not uncommon, especially when we know the MO's, which is often a flex and control of the conversation, while forcing the other to defend themselves from gaslighting claims.

And I agree. I wished you'd call them out more often. You let the best of your fanlax friends around here slide regularly.