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Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:02 pm
by tech37
runrussellrun wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:31 pm
WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:15 am
tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:08 am
Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:45 am
flalax22 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:39 am
What is it about Marr that doesn’t seem to be a fit for the job? I’ve seen a few people post this several times now. If you think this has more to do with interpersonal problems between Petro and whoever (players or admin) than wins and losses does Marr not make perfect sense. An easy going attitude is the change they would want no?
I like the idea of an offensive minded coach. Marr had some pretty high powered offenses at Albany and liked to push the rock. With so much offensive talent coming in the door it would be exciting to see that kind of play at Homewood. You could then hire a D coordinator whose ONLY job would be to focus on the D, which clearly needs attention. They still need to find a goalie though.
I have faith in the new AD.
Guess you haven't witnessed Marr on the sideline...at times he's anything but "easy going."
My point re Marr had nothing to do with "fit" at HOP. My point was, why would he leave a good situation and take on all that tradition, pressure-to-win, and the drama that comes with it? Money? I doubt at this stage of his career other considerations aren't more important.
Prestige. Power. Challenge.
You ever hear of a biggest dick contest?
At Hopkins, you can be THE biggest dick.
Just look at some of our posters in these threads.
having a big dick ....worthless if you're flaccid my friend. completely useless.
Hopkins in dire need for some viagra....
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ouch!
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:22 pm
by jrn19
runrussellrun wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:31 am
jrn19 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:43 pm
hofpride wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:42 pm
coach T at hofstra had the hops recruits for the last 5 yrs where would they be? his x's and 0's are as good as anyones
He coaches on Long Island where some of the best players in the entire country are. Feel like he should be able to land at least one or two of them
How does the CAA do, out of conference? Generally?
Hopkins regularly travels to the island for a regular season games. Amherst, MA too
When is the last time Blue Jays landed top LI talent? Crawley? 7 years ago?
Hopkins literally landed a Top 70 recruit out of Long Island in this recruiting class.
Also, for “how does the CAA do out of conference”, Towson made a Final Four and QF in the last 5 years; UMass beat Ohio State and Yale this year, Yale 3 years ago, went 15-1 back in 2012 and made the NCAA Tournament in 2018. Drexel made the QF’s in 2014. There’s lots of cases of CAA teams doing really well; if I go further back to 06 and 07 they put teams in the Final Four those two years. The CAA does well. Hofstra doesn’t.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:35 pm
by HopFan16
Alex Concannon (Syosset), Connor DeSimone (Smithtown East), Jack Keogh (Manhasset), Danny Jones (St. Anthony's), Jacob Giacalone (Sachem), Mike Pellegrino (Connetquot), Eric Schneider and Rob Enright (Massapequa)—not all lived up to their rankings but these were all highly touted Long Island guys whom Hopkins snagged. As usual, runrussellrun/fattylax is miles off the mark. Also no clue how it has anything to do with Tierney's record at Hofstra. But, another thread successfully derailed.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:35 pm
by WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus
tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:02 pm
runrussellrun wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:31 pm
WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:15 am
tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:08 am
Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:45 am
flalax22 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:39 am
What is it about Marr that doesn’t seem to be a fit for the job? I’ve seen a few people post this several times now. If you think this has more to do with interpersonal problems between Petro and whoever (players or admin) than wins and losses does Marr not make perfect sense. An easy going attitude is the change they would want no?
I like the idea of an offensive minded coach. Marr had some pretty high powered offenses at Albany and liked to push the rock. With so much offensive talent coming in the door it would be exciting to see that kind of play at Homewood. You could then hire a D coordinator whose ONLY job would be to focus on the D, which clearly needs attention. They still need to find a goalie though.
I have faith in the new AD.
Guess you haven't witnessed Marr on the sideline...at times he's anything but "easy going."
My point re Marr had nothing to do with "fit" at HOP. My point was, why would he leave a good situation and take on all that tradition, pressure-to-win, and the drama that comes with it? Money? I doubt at this stage of his career other considerations aren't more important.
Prestige. Power. Challenge.
You ever hear of a biggest dick contest?
At Hopkins, you can be THE biggest dick.
Just look at some of our posters in these threads.
having a big dick ....worthless if you're flaccid my friend. completely useless.
Hopkins in dire need for some viagra....
![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif)
ouch!
r3 is obviously scared Hopkins is about to become very relevant again.
Got to get some last minute schadenfreude in to satisfy himself.
Anyone new or old to this site: r3 is a really good candidate to test out this site’s Ignore settings.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:37 pm
by WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:35 pm
Alex Concannon (Syosset), Connor DeSimone (Smithtown East), Jack Keogh (Manhasset), Danny Jones (St. Anthony's), Jacob Giacalone (Sachem), Mike Pellegrino (Connetquot), Eric Schneider and Rob Enright (Massapequa)—not all lived up to their rankings but these were all highly touted Long Island guys whom Hopkins snagged. As usual, runrussellrun/fattylax is miles off the mark. Also no clue how it has anything to do with Tierney's record at Hofstra. But, another thread successfully derailed.
Only derailed if you let it!
Time to Hop Onboard the Hopkins Train!!!
Making Hopkins Great Again
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:38 pm
by WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus
BTW, SimHopkins at Ohio State later today.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:05 pm
by jhu06
-welcome to your family parent 2024 and thanks for sharing.
-how much turnover was there at umd/uva/unc when they changed coaches a few years ago? I saw stagnitta entered the portal. does the new coach honor all the scholarship comitments for recruits and current returning players or are people moved on and will he try to bring kids from his old school?
-sounds like we'll have a new coach by michal scotts favorite holiday cinco de mayo.
-can epstein recruit us a new first midfield/d/goalie please.
-If you think daniels was harsh w/punishments to the lax program for hazing remember that 1/2 the frats sororities that existed 10 years ago are gone after similar experiences.
-I don't see why they need a bubble so badly. Practice in what you play-seems to have worked for the patriots.
-lacrosse is not a revenue sport at Hopkins. Revenue sport implies the program brings the university a surplus of $ and that's not remotely the case. There's no $ that comes from the b1g for our status as affiliate member or from espn for airing our games.
-daniels needs to be w/the ad at the news conference streamed on hs.com. His role as President isn't just to squeeze dc for research $ and raise $ for the medical stuff. this program and its leadership are the most famous and nationally known component of homewood.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:33 pm
by 44WeWantMore
My understanding is that a scholarship commitment (NLI) is a contract, so a new coach cannot simply decide not to honor it. The most he can do is (if it is a one-year commitment) is make it clear that the recruit is not guaranteed a second year.
However, for non-scholarship already-accepted student-athletes, there is no contract, so the new coach can say, "You are welcome to try to walk-on, if you like, but I don't like your chances."
And for the early recruits who have not yet been accepted, the new coach can simply say "I am not going to help you with admissions, so good luck."
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:43 pm
by Hoponboard
HopDad2024 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:17 pm
Epstein also call all recruits saying he is not going anywhere and he hopes all 2020 honor their commitments. He is looking forward to getting 2020's on campus and on the field.
That’s leadership. Way to go, Joey!
Thanks 2024 for the update.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:59 pm
by DocBarrister
Hoponboard wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:43 pm
HopDad2024 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:17 pm
Epstein also call all recruits saying he is not going anywhere and he hopes all 2020 honor their commitments. He is looking forward to getting 2020's on campus and on the field.
That’s leadership. Way to go, Joey!
Yep. That young man is a leader.
DocBarrister
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Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:22 pm
by Mr. F
DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:59 pm
Hoponboard wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:43 pm
HopDad2024 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:17 pm
Epstein also call all recruits saying he is not going anywhere and he hopes all 2020 honor their commitments. He is looking forward to getting 2020's on campus and on the field.
That’s leadership. Way to go, Joey!
Yep. That young man is a leader.
DocBarrister
Has any player been a 3 time captain for Hopkins (with extra eligibility...Maybe he gets a 4th)?
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:31 pm
by 6ftstick
Mr. F wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:22 pm
DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:59 pm
Hoponboard wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:43 pm
HopDad2024 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:17 pm
Epstein also call all recruits saying he is not going anywhere and he hopes all 2020 honor their commitments. He is looking forward to getting 2020's on campus and on the field.
That’s leadership. Way to go, Joey!
Yep. That young man is a leader.
DocBarrister
Has any player been a 3 time captain for Hopkins (with extra eligibility...Maybe he gets a 4th)?
Greg Raymond—the only three time captain
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:44 pm
by HopFan16
Mr. F wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:22 pm
DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:59 pm
Hoponboard wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:43 pm
HopDad2024 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:17 pm
Epstein also call all recruits saying he is not going anywhere and he hopes all 2020 honor their commitments. He is looking forward to getting 2020's on campus and on the field.
That’s leadership. Way to go, Joey!
Yep. That young man is a leader.
DocBarrister
Has any player been a 3 time captain for Hopkins (with extra eligibility...Maybe he gets a 4th)?
Greg Raymond is the only one I believe
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:54 pm
by NOLAXBRO
HopDad2024 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:36 am
I have a son who is a 2020 commit and all of the commits were called by the AD and asked if they had any questions. 3 weeks timetable to get a new coach. Alumni not a prerequisite.
She said they are not going D3...so let's stop that talk. Even if that was a thought how do you do that? You hire a D1 coach and recruit D1 players and tell them they are now D3. You wouldn't have a team or coach.
Change is sometimes good. My son would have loved to play for Petro. JHU will get a top shelf coach and things will move forward and JHU will get back to being a top 10 team. The 2020 class is a legit top class loaded with talent. 2021 is loaded as well...new coach just needs to keep them.
The future is bright. Change is hard. Bloomberg money is a game changer. Petro and the coaches bit hard on early recruiting and even Petro admitted they were not good at it. I think that was part of the issue this season. JHU has a lot to offer a commit...top shelf facilities...top shelf education with a guaranteed job when you graduate with a incredible alumni network. Lacrosse is the only revenue sport at Hopkins and it will continue to be. Lacrosse landscape has changed. If you look at Ivy success recently. I know for a fact that the academic requirements are the same as JHU, no money and I know from a friend that if you have the ability to pay at a Ivy you pay. We have the scholarships and the Bloomberg money. Be patient, let's see who we get as the new coach and give him a chance to put the program back to where it belongs.
GO HOP!
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Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:31 pm
by FMUBart
Mr. F wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:22 pm
DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:59 pm
Hoponboard wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:43 pm
HopDad2024 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:17 pm
Epstein also call all recruits saying he is not going anywhere and he hopes all 2020 honor their commitments. He is looking forward to getting 2020's on campus and on the field.
That’s leadership. Way to go, Joey!
Yep. That young man is a leader.
DocBarrister
Has any player been a 3 time captain for Hopkins (with extra eligibility...Maybe he gets a 4th)?
Greg Raymond
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:36 pm
by 44WeWantMore
NOLAXBRO wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:54 pm
HopDad2024 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:36 am
I have a son who is a 2020 commit and all of the commits were called by the AD and asked if they had any questions. 3 weeks timetable to get a new coach. Alumni not a prerequisite.
She said they are not going D3...so let's stop that talk. Even if that was a thought how do you do that? You hire a D1 coach and recruit D1 players and tell them they are now D3. You wouldn't have a team or coach.
Change is sometimes good. My son would have loved to play for Petro. JHU will get a top shelf coach and things will move forward and JHU will get back to being a top 10 team. The 2020 class is a legit top class loaded with talent. 2021 is loaded as well...new coach just needs to keep them.
The future is bright. Change is hard. Bloomberg money is a game changer. Petro and the coaches bit hard on early recruiting and even Petro admitted they were not good at it. I think that was part of the issue this season. JHU has a lot to offer a commit...top shelf facilities...top shelf education with a guaranteed job when you graduate with a incredible alumni network. Lacrosse is the only revenue sport at Hopkins and it will continue to be. Lacrosse landscape has changed. If you look at Ivy success recently. I know for a fact that the academic requirements are the same as JHU, no money and I know from a friend that if you have the ability to pay at a Ivy you pay. We have the scholarships and the Bloomberg money. Be patient, let's see who we get as the new coach and give him a chance to put the program back to where it belongs.
GO HOP!
Under Petro, academic requirements did not play into recruiting or admissions decisions - he made sure anyone he wanted (no matter their academic limitation) would be admitted. While Ivy tends to accommodate student athletes who otherwise wouldn't be admitted based upon academic merits, they still maintain high academic standards. JHU blatantly disregarded academic achievement as a consideration and it shows. Perhaps this is the change in direction that is the driving force.
While I am skeptical that "the academic requirements are the same", and while he had a lot of latitude for an all-everything player (especially one coming from a Baltimore Prep School), even Chic did not have complete
carte blanche. And old #38, who self-deprecatingly describes his academic prowess, was actively recruited by (IIRC) two of HPY.
Not sure they qualify as all-everything, but there were limits:
And I do not find it difficult to believe that those limits are tightening under RD.
Perhaps the large roster helps with the average (ref. the "swimmies" in
I am Charlotte Simmons).
But, to repeat, for those who like to snip quotes, I am skeptical that "the academic requirements are the same".
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:40 pm
by Matnum PI
What Q doesn't speak to is that most everything that
Q is touting about Petro is standard fair for the top coaches of the top programs.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:57 pm
by DocBarrister
Homer wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:02 am
HopDad2024 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:36 am
I have a son who is a 2020 commit and all of the commits were called by the AD and asked if they had any questions. 3 weeks timetable to get a new coach. Alumni not a prerequisite.
She said they are not going D3...so let's stop that talk. Even if that was a thought how do you do that? You hire a D1 coach and recruit D1 players and tell them they are now D3. You wouldn't have a team or coach.
Change is sometimes good. My son would have loved to play for Petro. JHU will get a top shelf coach and things will move forward and JHU will get back to being a top 10 team. The 2020 class is a legit top class loaded with talent. 2021 is loaded as well...new coach just needs to keep them.
The future is bright. Change is hard. Bloomberg money is a game changer. Petro and the coaches bit hard on early recruiting and even Petro admitted they were not good at it. I think that was part of the issue this season. JHU has a lot to offer a commit...top shelf facilities...top shelf education with a guaranteed job when you graduate with a incredible alumni network. Lacrosse is the only revenue sport at Hopkins and it will continue to be. Lacrosse landscape has changed. If you look at Ivy success recently. I know for a fact that the academic requirements are the same as JHU, no money and I know from a friend that if you have the ability to pay at a Ivy you pay. We have the scholarships and the Bloomberg money. Be patient, let's see who we get as the new coach and give him a chance to put the program back to where it belongs.
GO HOP!
Thanks for the post and all great to hear. Look forward to seeing your son on the field in years to come!
Congratulations and best wishes to you and your son, HopDad!
DocBarrister
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Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:14 pm
by Homer
OCanada wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:07 am
Admission standards were raised and it became far more difficult to get in players than anytime in the past.
44WeWantMore wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:36 pm
Not sure they qualify as all-everything, but there were limits:
And I do not find it difficult to believe that those limits are tightening under RD.
I'm wondering if someone can clear up my curiosity/confusion on the admissions issue.
Here's how it looks from the outside; please feel free to correct me if any of this is wrong. In all the following I'm talking about recruiting at Hopkins going back to roughly 2011, which would appear to coincide both with the period of "peak early recruiting" and with the timespan people have in mind when they talk about top administration tightening limits.
1. Whatever filter Admissions was applying, it seems to have been applied largely (if not entirely) pre-commitment. Every year, you'd see 10-15 commitments being announced from HS underclassmen, and 3+ years later the great majority of those kids would matriculate at Homewood. You had a few decommits along the way, but no indication that the bulk of those were for academic reasons.
2. It would seem to follow logically that Admissions must have been tolerating a relatively wide range of academic outcomes. There would be no way to know with precision how a recruit's academic record would develop during the multiyear interval between the initial commitment and the formal application. If ~90% of commits still ended up getting the eventual OK, then Admissions must either have been accepting a certain number of underperformers, or else restricting initial commitments to a subset of kids perceived as especially low-risk.
3. If that's true, though, then it seems incomplete just to say "standards were raised." The comparison between pre- and post-2010 (or whatever year you want to use) isn't apples-to-apples: the administration's priorities may well have changed, but at the same time so did the basic nature of what the program was asking Admissions to do. It's one thing to ask Admissions for help on a kid with a known but underwhelming transcript; it's another to ask for preclearance on a kid with no real high school GPA, based solely on a best guesstimate of whether he might or might not be an academic risk.
4. So, first question: Is it possible that from the administration's perspective, "tightening limits" looked like a fair and rational tradeoff in exchange for acquiescing in the lax program's desire to go to an earlier and earlier timeline? Something like, "We'll believe you if you say you need to go earlier to be competitive, but to mitigate our risk we're going to need to do a more stringent screening up front?" Was there even a sense of, "You want the consideration the program was getting in 1995 or 2005? Fine, bring us a junior the way you used to. You want the old latitude, give us the old timeline?"
5. How did the actual mechanics of this work? Was it more like developing a shortlist of recruits with strong mutual interest and only then bringing the case to Admissions as a last step before commitment? Or was Petro seeking preclearance from Admissions on a larger number of potential recruits during the initial evaluation stages? In other words: when we hear "Petro couldn't get [player x] in," are we talking about somebody who was all but committed until Admissions said no, or more likely somebody whose name Petro ran by Admissions but never got to pursue seriously in the first place?
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:17 pm
by FMUBart
Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:40 pm
What Q doesn't speak to is that most everything that
Q is touting about Petro is standard fair for the top coaches of the top programs.
I had the same reaction Matnum PI...Q has a platform, but he's obviously less than objective in the situation.