Re: Loyola University Lacrosse 2020
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:26 am
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:32 pmThe point being made is what you do with your recruits and it has been said before Toomey finds the diamonds in the rough... Take a look down Charles street, JHU always has one of the top recruiting classes and they are a .500 team. It is how you develop your players. Does it matter what the opinion of Ty Xanders is? It is how your players come together and play as a team and not as individualsohmilax34 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:51 pmPeter Brown wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:32 pmPB, I looked it up and it looks like you are correct. Surdick went to Dematha, but IL did not list him in their 2015 recruiting issue. I can't tell if he was in their top 40 defensemen in the 2014 issue. Since he went to USMAPS, it's possible he could've been in either issue. Shut down defensemen are a little bit hard to project. The top defensemen all look really good against almost all HS competition. They are big, fast and usually skilled compared to most everyone in HS. But the range at which they are effective in college guarding players like Pat Spencer, Grant Ament and Michael Sowers varies greatly. IL probably looks at stick skills and contributions by a longstick to ground balls, clearing and scoring as a huge criteria for how the rank players. But, for some players like Surdick, it really doesn't matter much how good he is at starting a fast break if he can shut down Pat Spencer.ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:21 amthatsmell wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:10 amWhich Loyola players have been ignored on the IL Top 100 incoming freshmen over the last 4 years that IL missed? That encompasses current freshmen through seniors at Loyola. I guess I can expand that to Ty Xanders' old Recruiting Rundown website too. Who did he miss? In other words, who was left off the list that proved they should've been on it or should've been much higher?Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:33 pm
Interesting IL list to say the least. I dunno about some of those names. We shall see how it all pans out! The scoreboard talks the loudest and last! Let's go!!!!
Loyola is regularly ignored on these lists. It's ok. THe results ont hefield speak volumes. I'll take our no names over the IL lists any day.
Different school but same league, I believe IL and everyone else failed to note Johnny Surdick of Army (high school was Gtown Prep I believe) who was the single best defenseman in D1 not just last year but the last two years.
This is not to say that IL fails to notice all shut down defensemen, just that I can see how some would fail to grab their attention.
Your post above is about as coherent and informative a post on Fanlax or Laxpower I have ever read and not simply because you said I was correct...lol.
It does seem harder to gauge defenders coming out of high school. And possibly goals scored by defense might make the rankers take notice more. I think that was possibly the case with Ryan McNulty, who has a phenomenal shot off a long pole.
Surdick was a kid I saw play many times in college, and I was always blown away with how strong and quick he was. Spencer could not bully this guy at all, which Pat was able to often do to others. Compounding the headache for Pat was Surdick was exceptionally bright at field awareness, again a trait you see some occasional lapses in by more-heralded players. For Surdick, his CT's the last two years were remarkable b/c he did all that really by himself (if you ever saw how Army played defense, which was basically man to man with little backup). BU had as good defense on CT's as Army, but the Terriers tag-teamed to create Turnovers. Surdick's CT's were almost always open field stick checks. Army will really miss him.