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tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:11 pm

seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:06 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:02 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:54 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:50 pm Hot off the press: https://www.instagram.com/p/B3qLlkJHmte ... qcayyywdgp

Dems will not call vote.

not yet.
Nancy wants to let this build a few more heart beats first.
It's building very fast.

Certainly, drag he country through a condescending partisan impeachment inquiry. Shiat or get off the pot.

Republicans always want to speed an investigation, when not in charge of it. Midterms had consequences. Using the office of the president for dirty, personal electoral gain is worthy of careful and comprehensive investigation.

Seacoaster is nervous.

The left is worried they will be subpoenaed, so best to drag the country thru the gutter.

Dems will not call vote.

Could you please read the forking Constitution for god's sake!!

"The House of Representatives ... shall have the sole Power of Impeachment." Article I, Section 2, Clause 5

Trump does not have the right to say one forking word about how the House conducts its own business under the Constitution. Zero. Nada. The correct legal answer to these BS claims from the Banana Republicans and the WH counsel office is: (i) pound sand and (ii) I'm shocked that you apparently were able to graduate from law school.

There was one specific reason why the full House took an impeachment inquiry vote in the Nixon and Clinton affairs. Under HOUSE RULES at the time, House Committees were not authorized to issue subpoenas without such vote. Those rules have long since been changed so that House Committees now have standing subpoena power. So there is literally NO LEGAL REASON to take a House vote.

The arguments coming out of the WH counsel office are so spurious that, if it were me, I'd be worried about potentially losing my law license. While your duty is to zealously advocate for your client, under the ethics rules you can't make totally baseless legal arguments (see below). My guess is that they feel they can safely throw out such garbage going back and forth with Congress. Stuff like this would not fly in front of a judge.


Legal Argument

Legal argument based on a knowingly false representation of law constitutes dishonesty toward the tribunal. A lawyer is not required to make a disinterested exposition of the law, but must recognize the existence of pertinent legal authorities.

I have read it, even quoted it on here. They are playing stupid games in order to kick the can down the road, for one reason.....in hopes of persuading more to join their clique. There is no meat of the bone.

If you've done your reading then please enlighten me.

Other than Trump wanting it, what exactly is the legal reason for having a vote?

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:04 pm All I was hoping for was a tinge of admission that calling China on the carpet, for their deceitful ways, is a good thing,

Sigh. How is disagreeing that this is a "good thing" a "vortex"?

I'm addressing the actual problem. You want to focus on the window dressing.

If you want to REALLY "call China to the carpet", send US reps to actively find new supply chains and new buyers of US goods, and cease trade with China.

That would actually accomplish the goal you have set forth.

My argument isn’t a legal reason for a vote, rather a vote would put their backs against the wall because they “the house judiciary” would need to appoint a prosecutor committee for trial in the senate.

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:36 pm

CU77 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:19 pm None of it matters tho. The R Senators will back Trump.

IMO, that's what betraying the Kurds was all about: an alpha-male dominance move by Trump. He's forcing the beta-male Rs in the Senate to accept him as absolute boss, even when he does something they hate. He forces this down their throats, to prove to them that they don't have the balls to turn on him later in the impeachment trial.

Betraying the Kurds will make it easier for some (R) Senators to vote to convict,
...if the ShiftySchiffShow delivers anything of substance.

Sure sounds like all these folks defying the WH and State Dept to not testify ain't saying it was all hokey dokey.

3 amigos
hand grenade
drug deal

And a whole lot of serious substance.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:08 pm My argument isn’t a legal reason for a vote, rather a vote would put their backs against the wall because they “the house judiciary” would need to appoint a prosecutor committee for trial in the senate.

patience, youth, patience.
You're gonna get what you want in due course.

Good we agree that there is zero legal reason to have a vote now.

A vote to impeach would of course would be taken at the appropriate time. And then things proceed to the senate if articles are voted for approval.

So why would the dems be stupid enough to hold a meaningless vote now? Just because trump wants it as a diversion and even though trump has no right or standing to ask for one?

ggait wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:44 pm Good we agree that there is zero legal reason to have a vote now.

A vote to impeach would of course would be taken at the appropriate time. And then things proceed to the senate if articles are voted for approval.

So why would the dems be stupid enough to hold a meaningless vote now? Just because trump wants it as a diversion and even though trump has no right or standing to ask for one?

I agree on the no legal reason - the committees working on this have been given the power to do all the legal things necessary to carry out the investigation including subpoenas without further approval. Waste of time.

But Trump is not requesting it solely as a diversion but also to try and label it as unfair to hold onto the Senators he needs to avoid removal. Given the speed at which more revelations just keep coming, more depositions keep happening in spite of the White House trying to stop it, etc. that may become a tall order...

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:56 pm

ggait wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:44 pm Good we agree that there is zero legal reason to have a vote now.

A vote to impeach would of course would be taken at the appropriate time. And then things proceed to the senate if articles are voted for approval.

So why would the dems be stupid enough to hold a meaningless vote now? Just because trump wants it as a diversion and even though trump has no right or standing to ask for one?

I agree on the no legal reason - the committees working on this have been given the power to do all the legal things necessary to carry out the investigation including subpoenas without further approval. Waste of time.

But Trump is not requesting it solely as a diversion but also to try and label it as unfair to hold onto the Senators he needs to avoid removal. Given the speed at which more revelations just keep coming, more depositions keep happening in spite of the White House trying to stop it, etc. that may become a tall order...

Yup, given the folks lining up to tell the truth, it makes sense to get those depositions taken before filing the indictment, presenting it and the depositions to the full House, and only then take the grand jury vote when the full weight of the evidence becomes apparent...only then will there be a trial presided over by Judge Roberts.

Trump's strategy of stonewalling and obfuscation is falling flat under the onslaught of truth tellers.

The only reason the republicans are whinning for a vote is so they can attempt to gum up the works with Trumpsuckers like Jordon and associated losers. Obfuscation and diversion is all these clowns know. Time enough to allow them to make fools of themselves when the public hearings in Judiciary occur.

MD,
I understood it - I may come to your house - I am really dreading this but if momma is happy then we are all happy (I guess );
BTW, not picking on you, your kid or Gilman - just a different world then how I grew up and raised my son;
Which leads back to the topic at hand - having traveled this great country over the last 8 months - met some very generous people - they are all getting tired of the D.C. politics. My hope is that AOC and Omar get booted - no way Tlaib gets bounced - and we can get back to some sanity. I cannot assure this but in many a swing district if this goes to Impeachment you might see a swing in the House again. Folks are tired of this mess and want legislation, any legislation. I was frankly glad HRC did not win as I thought it would just turn into one investigation after another.......I guess I was wrong.

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:05 pm

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:04 pm All I was hoping for was a tinge of admission that calling China on the carpet, for their deceitful ways, is a good thing,

Sigh. How is disagreeing that this is a "good thing" a "vortex"?

I'm addressing the actual problem. You want to focus on the window dressing.

If you want to REALLY "call China to the carpet", send US reps to actively find new supply chains and new buyers of US goods, and cease trade with China.

That would actually accomplish the goal you have set forth.

When I get a chance I'll PM you a fan...wrong thread for this discussion

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:19 pm


The left is worried they will be subpoenaed, so best to drag the country thru the gutter.

Now take the Trump chumps and LOCK THEM UP!

LandM wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:14 am
My hope is that AOC and Omar get booted - no way Tlaib gets bounced - and we can get back to some sanity.

Are you blaming AOC and Omar for the state of US politics?

Personally, I have been tired of it all for decades. I changed my official party registration to Independent back in the 90's. For every D that is a blowhard there is an identical counter party R.

I hear the opposite when I travel, people who finally confess to voting for o d now wishing that they had just stayed home in 2016. They are tired of him.

Nov 2020 will be just as tight as 2016, but I still see o d holding the WH.

HooDat wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:07 pm

6ftstick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:53 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:46 am No, upon reconsideration, I prefer your path.

Let our grandkids pay for the stuff we're getting in 2019. Sounds like a plan.

Heck, let's cut taxes in half again. Why not? We're not man enough to pay our own bills, right? Might as well go all the way.

I'm sure our grandkids can figure out how to keep the lights on while they pay for all the stuff you and I got for free, right?

Don't change the subject. You got it. You believe it. Send it in.

there is a difference between thinking a SYSTEM will/could work and throwing money into an abyss. I am as anti-tax as the next guy, but the quip - "send them a check" - is disingenuous and ads nothing to the discussion.

The only way any of "this" works is if everyone does their part. There are too many people (like Trump and most people with a net worth between $50 million and $2 billion (in my experience) that want all the advantages of this country but tell it to F-off in terms of letting an extra penny out of their hands.I have come full circle on the estate tax issue over the course of my life. Tax the dump out it. First $5 million is free - then tax the rest at 80%. You don't like it, move. You move for tax, then get the heck out completely and don't take advantage of everything else the US has to offer. talk about ungrateful for what they have..... And then you get "christian's" supporting this garbage - what did Jesus say about a rich man's chances of getting into heaven...?

Come on now. Aside from the fact that this is just some harmless kidding between afan and myself, all those liberals who say we're not paying enuff in taxed FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL for every deduction their accountants and lawyers can get them. The problem is not taxation its spending. The annual expenditures of bureaucrats at every level of government exceeds $8 trillion.

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:13 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:19 pm


The left is worried they will be subpoenaed, so best to drag the country thru the gutter.

Now take the Trump chumps and LOCK THEM UP!

She was part of an ACTUAL investigation. Not a sham BS coup attempt by Adam Schiff, Nancy Pelosi et al.

3rdPersonPlural wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:57 am https://www.npr.org/2019/10/02/76638741 ... -documents

Sounds like Subpoena Colada for getting caught in Ukraine

Thats brilliant. Original?

6ftstick wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:28 am

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:13 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:19 pm


The left is worried they will be subpoenaed, so best to drag the country thru the gutter.

Now take the Trump chumps and LOCK THEM UP!

She was part of an ACTUAL investigation. Not a sham BS coup attempt by Adam Schiff, Nancy Pelosi et al.

Hear ye, hear ye. 182.88 cm has joined "the CONSTITUTION ain't a legal document" chorus.