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Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:32 pm
by dislaxxic
Democrats govern. Republicans want to destroy the government.

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Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:32 pm
by a fan
CU88 wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:27 pm A great step!

Biden to cancel up to $10,000 in student debt for most borrowers
The president is also cancelling up to $20,000 for Pell recipients, and is extending a pause on federal student loan payments through Dec. 31

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educatio ... cellation/
I'd much prefer he work on making training/education free going forward.

Train kids to code, to weld, to cook, to build homes, to wire buildings, etc., to fill all those unfilled openings.

And fix our VISA system.

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 5:51 pm
by Farfromgeneva
And then the DOE will extend his much in subsidized, taxpayer gtd loans for this upcoming college year?

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:57 pm
by CU88
a fan wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:32 pm
CU88 wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:27 pm A great step!

Biden to cancel up to $10,000 in student debt for most borrowers
The president is also cancelling up to $20,000 for Pell recipients, and is extending a pause on federal student loan payments through Dec. 31

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educatio ... cellation/
I'd much prefer he work on making training/education free going forward.

Train kids to code, to weld, to cook, to build homes, to wire buildings, etc., to fill all those unfilled openings.

And fix our VISA system.
I have no issue with many other steps or options too.

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:41 am
by cradleandshoot
https://studyfinds.org/watching-news-can-make-you-sick/

Finally, some understanding of tortured logic used by some of the members of this forum. All of you dumbasses watch too much cable news. There is a pressing need for a 12 steps program to help you people out. Hello my name is Joe Liberal, I'm addicted to cable news and i am powerless over the brainwashing being given to me by the FLP mainstream media.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: What our country needs is an intensive rehab program to help these poor, delusional FLP souls to find a path back to reality. I understand that SOME of you are beyond hope, but there is always a chance of redemption if you believe in your heart and soul of the concept of common sense. So for all of you FLP dumbasses that cling to every word that Hannity says.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Hannity knows how to play all of you and you are so arrogant and overeducated that you are all too stupid to know you are being played the fool. Carry on... carry on

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:26 am
by Farfromgeneva
CU88 wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:57 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:32 pm
CU88 wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:27 pm A great step!

Biden to cancel up to $10,000 in student debt for most borrowers
The president is also cancelling up to $20,000 for Pell recipients, and is extending a pause on federal student loan payments through Dec. 31

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educatio ... cellation/
I'd much prefer he work on making training/education free going forward.

Train kids to code, to weld, to cook, to build homes, to wire buildings, etc., to fill all those unfilled openings.

And fix our VISA system.
I have no issue with many other steps or options too.
The problem is doing one piece at a time in a dynamic model is a joke and will lead to other likely worse externalities. What is being executed on today is a joke. Form over substance once again.

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:46 am
by CU88
Farfromgeneva wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:26 am
CU88 wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:57 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:32 pm
CU88 wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:27 pm A great step!

Biden to cancel up to $10,000 in student debt for most borrowers
The president is also cancelling up to $20,000 for Pell recipients, and is extending a pause on federal student loan payments through Dec. 31

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educatio ... cellation/
I'd much prefer he work on making training/education free going forward.

Train kids to code, to weld, to cook, to build homes, to wire buildings, etc., to fill all those unfilled openings.

And fix our VISA system.
I have no issue with many other steps or options too.
The problem is doing one piece at a time in a dynamic model is a joke and will lead to other likely worse externalities. What is being executed on today is a joke. Form over substance once again.
You are 100% right, but we all know that will never happen. We could start a whole new forum on just this one topic.

Biden campaigned on taking some action on this topic, and he finally did. Right or wrong action, but he took an action.
I do think that this is a targeted measure that does help some in need; it is not "trickle down" bs.

d's finally playing the r's game.

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:04 am
by Farfromgeneva
CU88 wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:46 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:26 am
CU88 wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:57 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:32 pm
CU88 wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:27 pm A great step!

Biden to cancel up to $10,000 in student debt for most borrowers
The president is also cancelling up to $20,000 for Pell recipients, and is extending a pause on federal student loan payments through Dec. 31

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educatio ... cellation/
I'd much prefer he work on making training/education free going forward.

Train kids to code, to weld, to cook, to build homes, to wire buildings, etc., to fill all those unfilled openings.

And fix our VISA system.
I have no issue with many other steps or options too.
The problem is doing one piece at a time in a dynamic model is a joke and will lead to other likely worse externalities. What is being executed on today is a joke. Form over substance once again.
You are 100% right, but we all know that will never happen. We could start a whole new forum on just this one topic.

Biden campaigned on taking some action on this topic, and he finally did. Right or wrong action, but he took an action.
I do think that this is a targeted measure that does help some in need; it is not "trickle down" bs.

d's finally playing the r's game.
Last two parts I have issue with but more importantly changing a piece changes everything not just the piece directed.

Trickle down is a terrible description but more technically supply side vs demand side I think it should be clear that most demand side stimulus (Keynesian planning) has caused far more problems than supply side stimulus though given dynamic model element it’s almost a narrative fallacy to conclude anything either way realistically.

I’m hardly excited for “Ds playing the R game”

I guess taking action, any action, is the politically modified definition of “progressive” but that’s where I have problems. Actions have consequences. I have yet to hear thoughtful approach to considering the outcomes, only that itll “unlock” or “help” a bunch of people. No consideration of FOs equences or how we’re still finding these govt gtd loans to people and colleges are still charging whatever they want despite there being a very massive supply imbalance vs demand for higher Ed coming if you look at the demographics. Start with the universities and go they manage their endowments and opex. Then deal with debt. That would be the intelligent thing to do. To continue to make loans at $75-$80k/yr price rages for generic degrees after taking this action is by far the stupidest thing I could imagine. Doesn't solve anything when higher Ed is using the subsidized money to their own fiefdoms at any price they want and the gift is continuing to subsidize it while complaining about the debt they provided and caused the price of education to rise in the first place (it’s a fact that subsidies raise prices). Many while piling up multi billion dollar endowments and research enterprises.

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:33 am
by CU88
Farfromgeneva wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:04 am
CU88 wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:46 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:26 am
CU88 wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:57 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:32 pm
CU88 wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:27 pm A great step!

Biden to cancel up to $10,000 in student debt for most borrowers
The president is also cancelling up to $20,000 for Pell recipients, and is extending a pause on federal student loan payments through Dec. 31

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educatio ... cellation/
I'd much prefer he work on making training/education free going forward.

Train kids to code, to weld, to cook, to build homes, to wire buildings, etc., to fill all those unfilled openings.

And fix our VISA system.
I have no issue with many other steps or options too.
The problem is doing one piece at a time in a dynamic model is a joke and will lead to other likely worse externalities. What is being executed on today is a joke. Form over substance once again.
You are 100% right, but we all know that will never happen. We could start a whole new forum on just this one topic.

Biden campaigned on taking some action on this topic, and he finally did. Right or wrong action, but he took an action.
I do think that this is a targeted measure that does help some in need; it is not "trickle down" bs.

d's finally playing the r's game.
Last two parts I have issue with but more importantly changing a piece changes everything not just the piece directed.

Trickle down is a terrible description but more technically supply side vs demand side I think it should be clear that most demand side stimulus (Keynesian planning) has caused far more problems than supply side stimulus though given dynamic model element it’s almost a narrative fallacy to conclude anything either way realistically.

I’m hardly excited for “Ds playing the R game”

I guess taking action, any action, is the politically modified definition of “progressive” but that’s where I have problems. Actions have consequences. I have yet to hear thoughtful approach to considering the outcomes, only that itll “unlock” or “help” a bunch of people. No consideration of FOs equences or how we’re still finding these govt gtd loans to people and colleges are still charging whatever they want despite there being a very massive supply imbalance vs demand for higher Ed coming if you look at the demographics. Start with the universities and go they manage their endowments and opex. Then deal with debt. That would be the intelligent thing to do. To continue to make loans at $75-$80k/yr price rages for generic degrees after taking this action is by far the stupidest thing I could imagine. Doesn't solve anything when higher Ed is using the subsidized money to their own fiefdoms at any price they want and the gift is continuing to subsidize it while complaining about the debt they provided and caused the price of education to rise in the first place (it’s a fact that subsidies raise prices). Many while piling up multi billion dollar endowments and research enterprises.
I don't disagree.

I try to follow some of the postings from this think tank, on education, and have become an advocate for the CCB expansion at the local/county level, as truly expands the educational opportunities for the non-traditional student, who may not have otherwise pursued a bachelor’s degree.

https://www.newamerica.org/education-po ... omes-data/

If I had a magic wand, I would offer full federal funding for the last credit year of a student’s degree in Nursing/STEM/HVAC degrees.

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:34 am
by Farfromgeneva
Easy actions that solve nothing around the margins but collect political wins. That can’t be what true progressives mean by their annexed nomenclature.

Cracking down in predatory schools like Corinthian, not the predatory behavior that happens at Title 4 schools (regular 4yr, federally funded, universities). But guess what, the coding boot camps and related can get income sharing agreement loans from shops like stride now (at 20-30% embedded rates but no parental guarantors). Edly is doing it w Nursing and stem student at title 4 schools through a Utah bank at capped 19.9%.

4 hours ago - Economy & Business
The next student loan crisis

Dan Primack

Illustration of a graduation cap but the tassel is a ladder.
Illustration: Maura Losch/Axios
President Biden's student debt cancellation plan is welcome news for millions of existing borrowers, but it does little to address high college costs that will burden future students.

Why it matters: Student Defense, a nonprofit that is pushing for broader systemic changes, compared the plan to bailing the water out of a sinking boat without plugging the leak.

By the numbers: Higher ed costs are astronomical, including for graduate programs, even though "sticker price" inflation has moderated in recent years.

Average in-state tuition for a four-year public university is $9,410 per year, and more than doubles to $23,890 for out-of-state students, per The College Board. Average four-year private university costs are $32,410, per year, or nearly $130,000 for the diploma.
For context, the median family income in 2021 was $79,900. If such a family has two in-state college students, 23.5% of their pre-tax income would be consumed by college costs (minus financial aid and/or federal loans). If the kids attend a four-year private school, it would be 81% of the family's pre-tax income.
And none of this includes room and board.
Why costs are so high: The simplest answer is that schools have had little incentive to control costs, particularly when abundant student loans — both public and private — can make tuition rates appear more affordable than they really are.

Moreover, some schools are motivated to spend on high-ticket items like new construction, because that can attract wealthier students (including from overseas) who don't request financial aid. In the end, however, those costs often get passed down to everyone.
This is a systemic issue, which explains why most politicians have preferred to play along the easier margins.

Biden's primary responses to future loan obligations have been to increase the size of Pell Grants, to crack down on predatory schools and to reduce monthly repayment percentages. None addresses the costs of the product being financed.
There are possible solutions that have been circulating among education experts, not all of which rely on taxpayer largesse like making public college free for lower-income students.

One would be to limit loans tied to education at schools that have a demonstrated history of onerous student debt burdens. In other words, if most of a school's students aren't receiving the sort of education that allows them to pay off their loans, cut it off at the source.
This could include a gainful employment rule focused on career programs, which is favored by the Biden administration but languishing in Congress.
Another would be to deny federal research grants to schools whose tuition rates increase at an unacceptably high level. This would be particularly impactful at large public and private universities.
The federal government also could consider revoking the tax-exempt status of schools that exceed tuition inflation limits, although that likely would face court challenges.
The bottom line: Debates over student loan cancellation will continue to rage through the midterms. Debates over student costs hasn't even begun.

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:39 am
by Farfromgeneva
CU88 wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:33 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:04 am
CU88 wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:46 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:26 am
CU88 wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:57 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:32 pm
CU88 wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:27 pm A great step!

Biden to cancel up to $10,000 in student debt for most borrowers
The president is also cancelling up to $20,000 for Pell recipients, and is extending a pause on federal student loan payments through Dec. 31

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educatio ... cellation/
I'd much prefer he work on making training/education free going forward.

Train kids to code, to weld, to cook, to build homes, to wire buildings, etc., to fill all those unfilled openings.

And fix our VISA system.
I have no issue with many other steps or options too.
The problem is doing one piece at a time in a dynamic model is a joke and will lead to other likely worse externalities. What is being executed on today is a joke. Form over substance once again.
You are 100% right, but we all know that will never happen. We could start a whole new forum on just this one topic.

Biden campaigned on taking some action on this topic, and he finally did. Right or wrong action, but he took an action.
I do think that this is a targeted measure that does help some in need; it is not "trickle down" bs.

d's finally playing the r's game.
Last two parts I have issue with but more importantly changing a piece changes everything not just the piece directed.

Trickle down is a terrible description but more technically supply side vs demand side I think it should be clear that most demand side stimulus (Keynesian planning) has caused far more problems than supply side stimulus though given dynamic model element it’s almost a narrative fallacy to conclude anything either way realistically.

I’m hardly excited for “Ds playing the R game”

I guess taking action, any action, is the politically modified definition of “progressive” but that’s where I have problems. Actions have consequences. I have yet to hear thoughtful approach to considering the outcomes, only that itll “unlock” or “help” a bunch of people. No consideration of FOs equences or how we’re still finding these govt gtd loans to people and colleges are still charging whatever they want despite there being a very massive supply imbalance vs demand for higher Ed coming if you look at the demographics. Start with the universities and go they manage their endowments and opex. Then deal with debt. That would be the intelligent thing to do. To continue to make loans at $75-$80k/yr price rages for generic degrees after taking this action is by far the stupidest thing I could imagine. Doesn't solve anything when higher Ed is using the subsidized money to their own fiefdoms at any price they want and the gift is continuing to subsidize it while complaining about the debt they provided and caused the price of education to rise in the first place (it’s a fact that subsidies raise prices). Many while piling up multi billion dollar endowments and research enterprises.
I don't disagree.

I try to follow some of the postings from this think tank, on education, and have become an advocate for the CCB expansion at the local/county level, as truly expands the educational opportunities for the non-traditional student, who may not have otherwise pursued a bachelor’s degree.

https://www.newamerica.org/education-po ... omes-data/

If I had a magic wand, I would offer full federal funding for the last credit year of a student’s degree in Nursing/STEM/HVAC degrees.
I’ll check the site out thanks. Huge proponent of community college and have had a problem with tying employment training to higher Ed since I was in college but that horse left looong ago. I would still have a problem with targeted free education, maybe tied with real service like 5-7yrs working for govt in role related to degree. I’m not a fan of directing activity which is what would come from that sort of action by making certain majors free. Not that we don’t have a shortage but it might not bring the right people into the space long term because of the incentive. Then we’ve got a bunch of people you hate who were formerly lawyers and bankers now as tech folks ruining society.

Mentioned it in a follow up note but I’m working with an alt student lender in my business life that makes income based repayment loans only to Jrs and Snrs that are nursing and stem majors (because they track incomes more closely than most majors, especially nursing). 5yr term, 5yr forebearance option so ten years total potential term. Typically works out to 5-8% of income in payment and is capped at 19.9% (not far off credit cards these days no parent co signer) and ends up in the 15-16% territory.

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:44 am
by Farfromgeneva
Is doing something with good intentions always good? What would you say about Howard Campbell jr?


Plot summary
Edit

The novel is framed as the memoir of Howard W. Campbell, Jr. He is writing it while imprisoned and waiting for his war crimes trial for his actions as a Nazi propagandist. Campbell, an American who moved to Germany with his parents at age 11, recounts his childhood as the Nazi Party is consolidating its power. Instead of leaving the country with his parents, Campbell continues his career as a playwright, his only social contacts being Nazis. Being of sufficiently ″Aryan″ heritage, Campbell becomes a member of the party in name only. He is politically apathetic, caring only for his art and his wife Helga, who is also the starring actress in all of his plays.

Campbell encounters Frank Wirtanen, an agent of the U.S. War Department. Wirtanen wants Campbell to spy as a double agent for the United States in the impending world war. Campbell rejects the offer, but Wirtanen quickly adds that he wants Campbell to think about it. Once the war starts, Campbell begins to make his way up through Joseph Goebbels' propaganda organization, eventually becoming the "voice" of broadcasts aimed at converting Americans to the Nazi cause (a parallel to the real broadcaster, Dr. Edward Vieth Sittler).[4][5][6][7] Unbeknownst to the Nazis, all of the idiosyncrasies of Campbell's speeches – deliberate pauses, coughing, etc. – are part of the coded information he is passing to the American Office of Strategic Services. Campbell never discovers, nor is he ever told, the information that he is sending.

About halfway through the war, Helga goes to the Eastern Front to entertain German troops. Campbell is extremely distraught when he hears that the camp Helga visited in Crimea has been overrun by Soviet troops and she is presumed dead. In early 1945, just before the Red Army invades Berlin, Campbell visits his in-laws one last time. During the visit, he has a conversation with Helga's younger sister, Resi, that resonates with him for years afterward. After Campbell is captured by American forces, Wirtanen works out a deal in which he is set free and given passage to New York City.

Fifteen years later, Campbell lives an anonymous life, sustained only by memories of his wife and an indifferent curiosity about his eventual fate. His only friend is George Kraft, a likewise lonely neighbor—who, through an extraordinary coincidence, also happens to be a Soviet intelligence agent. He tries to trick Campbell into fleeing to Moscow by publicizing his identity and location. A white supremacist organization makes Campbell a cause célèbre, inviting him to speak to new recruits. The group's leader, a dentist named Lionel Jones, shows up at Campbell's apartment with a surprise: a woman claiming to be Helga, alive and well and professing her undying love. Campbell's will to live returns, and remains even after he finds out that she is not Helga, but rather Resi. They plan to escape to Mexico City after attending one of Jones' fascist meetings.

There, Wirtanen makes an appearance to warn Campbell of Kraft's plot and Resi's complicity. Heartbroken, Campbell decides to go along with the charade. He confronts Kraft and Resi, the latter swearing her feelings for him are genuine. The FBI then raids the meeting and takes Campbell into custody, while Resi commits suicide by taking a cyanide capsule. As before, Wirtanen uses his influence to have Campbell set free. Once Campbell returns to his apartment, however, he realizes that he has no real reason to continue living, and decides to turn himself in to the Israelis to stand trial.

While imprisoned in Israel, Campbell meets Adolf Eichmann and gives him advice on how to write an autobiography. At the very end of the book, he inserts a letter that he has just received from Wirtanen. The corroborating evidence that he was indeed an American spy has finally arrived, and Wirtanen writes that he will testify to Campbell's true loyalties in court. Rather than being relieved, Campbell feels disgusted by the idea that he will be saved from death and granted freedom only when he is no longer able to enjoy anything that life has to offer (too old and physically worn out). In the last lines, Campbell tells the reader that he will hang himself not for crimes against humanity, but rather for "crimes against himself." Campbell then realizes that he is alone in the world.

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2022 5:46 am
by Farfromgeneva
She’s in my backyard so I have a little more direct knowledge of her activities, this is a fair criticism. Stacey Abrams conflated business acumen with attention/press no different than trump.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... from-right

Know non bank lender in town passed in funding her “fintech”, NOW, which is weak on tech, no barriers to entry, and simply another factoring business which is pretty nasty for small businesses to deal with, one step above bankruptcy and similar to merchant cash advances. (And her gross yields are too low for that business, 3-5% on 30-90 is light, worked in a zero rate environment but losses on those portfolios to small businesses are high even with the short turnover because they are fully unsecured and you have operating costs so the unit Economics have to scale aggressively usually you need a book tags churning at like $30-$50mm to break profitability) It’s hardly an empowerment play and a business that’s existed for years and failed at every turn-Commercial Paper market never came back, look up something called The Receivables Exchange (founded by the NYSE and Bain Capital-blew up in a nasty way) & everyone probably has heard the name Greensill more recently.

Anyways, she’s full of it. Has some decent agenda items but she’s as self interested as the worst of them. Maybe it’s the spotlight that turned her into that bad before but don’t get sucked in by this lady. She’s not much more than the inverse of Desantis.

NOW- https://nowcorp.com/now-b2b-payment-system/

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 7:38 am
by Farfromgeneva
CU88 wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:33 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:04 am
CU88 wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:46 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:26 am
CU88 wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:57 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:32 pm
CU88 wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:27 pm A great step!

Biden to cancel up to $10,000 in student debt for most borrowers
The president is also cancelling up to $20,000 for Pell recipients, and is extending a pause on federal student loan payments through Dec. 31

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educatio ... cellation/
I'd much prefer he work on making training/education free going forward.

Train kids to code, to weld, to cook, to build homes, to wire buildings, etc., to fill all those unfilled openings.

And fix our VISA system.
I have no issue with many other steps or options too.
The problem is doing one piece at a time in a dynamic model is a joke and will lead to other likely worse externalities. What is being executed on today is a joke. Form over substance once again.
You are 100% right, but we all know that will never happen. We could start a whole new forum on just this one topic.

Biden campaigned on taking some action on this topic, and he finally did. Right or wrong action, but he took an action.
I do think that this is a targeted measure that does help some in need; it is not "trickle down" bs.

d's finally playing the r's game.
Last two parts I have issue with but more importantly changing a piece changes everything not just the piece directed.

Trickle down is a terrible description but more technically supply side vs demand side I think it should be clear that most demand side stimulus (Keynesian planning) has caused far more problems than supply side stimulus though given dynamic model element it’s almost a narrative fallacy to conclude anything either way realistically.

I’m hardly excited for “Ds playing the R game”

I guess taking action, any action, is the politically modified definition of “progressive” but that’s where I have problems. Actions have consequences. I have yet to hear thoughtful approach to considering the outcomes, only that itll “unlock” or “help” a bunch of people. No consideration of FOs equences or how we’re still finding these govt gtd loans to people and colleges are still charging whatever they want despite there being a very massive supply imbalance vs demand for higher Ed coming if you look at the demographics. Start with the universities and go they manage their endowments and opex. Then deal with debt. That would be the intelligent thing to do. To continue to make loans at $75-$80k/yr price rages for generic degrees after taking this action is by far the stupidest thing I could imagine. Doesn't solve anything when higher Ed is using the subsidized money to their own fiefdoms at any price they want and the gift is continuing to subsidize it while complaining about the debt they provided and caused the price of education to rise in the first place (it’s a fact that subsidies raise prices). Many while piling up multi billion dollar endowments and research enterprises.
I don't disagree.

I try to follow some of the postings from this think tank, on education, and have become an advocate for the CCB expansion at the local/county level, as truly expands the educational opportunities for the non-traditional student, who may not have otherwise pursued a bachelor’s degree.

https://www.newamerica.org/education-po ... omes-data/

If I had a magic wand, I would offer full federal funding for the last credit year of a student’s degree in Nursing/STEM/HVAC degrees.
Following up on this I was discussing with an aforementioned alternative student lender that makes Income Based Repayment loans (IBR, a newer structure and distinctly different than Income Sharing Agreements which are not valid legal contracts it appears and IBRs lend to title 4, federally funded colleges, vs ISAs which fund people at U of Phoenix, Coding boot camps, etc). They only lend to Jrs and Snrs, no co signer/parental guarantor. And only lend to nursing and stem majors. Those elements, for a 3+Yr old business and IBRs are newer than that, allows them to reduce defaults from early college attrition and gives them the best data in employment and incomes post graduation. It’s early stages of a new way of lending on college I like conceptually.

The head of IR/capital markets and I were discussing this plan by Biden and he commented that it’s a “credit positive” for them and all other creditors because it reduces individual debt service (total payments typically expressed in consumer world as a percentage of income in the commercial world by the multiple of coverage a company’s business throws off in cash flow - ie DTI is %, DSC or DSCR or other similar metrics are “#.##x”) and improves credit scores.

The upshot is I could see where more of this benefit goes to private credit investors (banks, funds, consumer debt bond/loan buyers, etc) than to the proposed beneficiaries….

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:36 pm
by Seacoaster(1)
Educational debt relief, an opinion:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/30/opin ... biden.html

As an economist who studies education, I long thought that forgiving student loans was a crude and inequitable tool for fixing student aid. College graduates, after all, are the winners in our society. College certainly changed my life: My father was a high school dropout, but his daughter is a Harvard professor. My student loans (which I paid off just a few years ago) were absolutely worth it. A bachelor’s degree, on average, puts graduates on a path to economic security.

But today many of those who borrow for college do not graduate. Without a degree, they get little to no payoff from college attendance. Delinquencies and defaults on small student loans have undermined their financial security. This is the opposite of what we hope to achieve by encouraging people to go to college.

I now firmly believe that targeted debt cancellation is the best way to undo the damage done to millions of borrowers by a persistently dysfunctional system of college funding and student loan repayment.

What changed my thinking? Decades of political paralysis around fixing that funding system. An unending increase in tuition prices and student borrowing. And a growing body of evidence showing harm to students who have borrowed to cover mounting college costs.

College used to be nearly free. My older sisters went to the University of Massachusetts Boston in the mid-1970s, when tuition and fees for in-state residents were about $600 a year. To be clear, that $600 paid for an entire year of coursework, not just for a single class. In today’s dollars (after accounting for inflation) that is equivalent to $3,605. Yet by 2022, in-state residents paid nearly $16,000 in tuition and fees to go to UMass Boston.

In 1970, it would have taken 375 hours at the Massachusetts hourly minimum wage of $1.60 to earn the $600 required to attend UMass. Those hours easily fit into a summer of work or a part-time job during the school year.

By contrast, today it would take three times as long (over 1,100 hours!) at the state minimum wage of $14.25 to earn the $16,000 required to attend UMass. In some other states, where the minimum wage is $7.25 but the tuition rate is similar, this calculation looks much worse.

It is simply impossible for students to work their way through college in the way previous generations could. And at the same time, states have reduced funding to their public colleges that historically allowed schools to charge low tuition prices. In essence, it was once taxpayers who bore the burden of college costs, rather than individual families. The idea was that when those students graduated, they would become taxpayers themselves, who would pay for the next generation to be educated.

Instead, students take out loans to pay their increasing college costs. The typical college graduate who borrows (about a third do not) leaves college with $31,000 in loans. In 1970, that figure was $1,100 (around $7,500, adjusted for inflation). Today, total student debt is $1.7 trillion, up from $1 trillion in 2012 and $0.5 trillion in 2006.

A decade ago, we had only a sketchy portrait of how this debt affected borrowers’ lives. The Department of Education released sparse data that provided a mile-high view of borrowing but no detailed information on who those debtors were. This lack of information was itself a policy failure, hampering the ability of Congress and the public to keep tabs on the fast-growing loan program.

The little data we had indicated that typical debt levels were reasonable compared with the average payoff from a college degree, which on average amounts to hundreds of thousands of dollars over a lifetime. As a researcher reducing inequality, I was far more concerned about getting more low-income people to attend and graduate from college in the future than I was about forgiving the debts of those who had already earned a degree. They had successfully gotten to the finish line, and the payoff to a college degree in the labor market would more than offset a debt of $30,000.

It was the Obama administration that released more detailed data than previous administrations, revealing that whereas debt had once been concentrated among university graduates, we now saw a huge swath of students borrowing for community college and vocational training. Dropout rates were high: During the Great Recession, community colleges were bursting at the seams while their government funding was sinking. Students who couldn’t get into oversubscribed classes at community colleges turned to expensive for-profit colleges, where they earned credentials that had little value in the labor market. Many exited into a historically bad labor market during the Great Recession.

Millions of borrowers quickly fell behind on their payments. About a third of those who had borrowed to attend community colleges and for-profit colleges defaulted on their loans within a few years of leaving school. Delinquency and default were concentrated among low-income college dropouts who had debts of only a few thousand dollars.

Contrary to the popular narrative, the huge run-up in defaults has not been driven by $100,000 debts incurred by students at expensive private colleges. Rather, they are driven by $8,000 loans at for-profit colleges and, to a lesser extent, community colleges. These are the borrowers who will benefit from President Biden’s loan forgiveness policy.

The smallest loans, which have the highest default rates, are ripe for forgiveness. Collecting them is expensive for the government and harmful for the borrowers. Forgiving them will change a lot of lives without forgoing much revenue.

Yet the statistics on who holds loan debt can be confusing and mind-numbing. Two key facts illustrate why Mr. Biden’s forgiveness plan can overwhelmingly benefit those with low to moderate incomes, even though most of the debt is held by those with high incomes.

A majority of the dollars of student loan debt are owed by a small fraction of borrowers who, on average, have high incomes. They often borrowed to go to professional schools for degrees in law, medicine and business. They don’t have much trouble handling their payments, and their default rates are low.

By contrast, a majority of people holding student debt have moderate incomes and low balances. Many have no degree, having dropped out of a public college or for-profit vocational school after a few semesters. They carry little debt, but they also do not get the benefit of a college degree to help them pay off that debt.

Defaults and financial distress are concentrated among the millions of students who drop out without a degree. The financial prospects for college dropouts are poor; they earn little more than do workers with no college education. Dropouts account for much of the increase in financial distress among student borrowers since the Great Recession.

And dropout is not at all rare. Just under half of college students don’t earn a bachelor’s degree. Some people earn a shorter, two-year associate degree. But more than a quarter of those who start college hoping to earn a degree drop out with no credential. A full 30 percent of first-generation freshmen drop out of four-year colleges within three years. That’s three times the dropout rate of students whose parents graduated from college.

With a well-functioning system of loan repayment, these small debts would not cause distress. In theory, income-based repayment programs, such as Pay as You Earn, allow borrowers to pay only what they can afford by setting payments as a percentage of income. But these programs require that borrowers annually document their incomes, using information from the Internal Revenue Service. This part of the application process frequently tripped up borrowers, keeping them from enrolling and staying in income-based plans.

How has this happened? The Department of Education outsources the servicing of student loans to private companies. These companies are the face of student loans for tens of millions of borrowers — and often the source of enormous frustration. The loan companies have misdirected payments, lost paperwork and charged incorrect interest rates, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and the Government Accountability Office have shown.

This bureaucratic, government-created mess of a system has actively harmed student borrowers, driving many into default. Delinquency and default leave a longstanding blot on credit records, keeping borrowers from buying homes and cars, renting apartments and getting jobs. By allowing borrowers to once again get access to credit, housing and job markets, forgiving loans can therefore have a real effect on lives and the economy.

Some worry that debt forgiveness will drive up inflation. This strikes me as implausible, since borrowers have not had to make payments for more than two years. The planned resumption of loan payments will tend to reduce disposable income, which will cool inflation. All that said, I am not in favor of framing student-loan policy as a lever for managing inflation. Eliminating food subsidies for poor families — SNAP, as the food stamp program is known today — would definitely slow the economy, but that doesn’t mean we should do it. Loan forgiveness does nothing to repair fundamental weaknesses in postsecondary education: underfunded public schools, rising tuition and for-profit colleges that deny students a quality education.

A third of borrowers hold less than $10,000 in debt. An additional 20 percent have debts below $20,000. Mr. Biden’s plan could clear the debts of about half of borrowers. This will not only improve lives but also reduce stress on the loan system when the remaining borrowers restart paying in a few months.

I once thought forgiveness to be an expensive Band-Aid, a distraction from fundamental reform. But I have seen so little progress on these issues that I now think we must make amends to those we have harmed. It’s time to erase the debts of those millions who borrowed modestly for their education but wound up in financial distress because of our disjointed loan system.

Loan forgiveness is not just warranted; it’s fair: Government policy did harm, and it is government policy that should work to reverse it."

Actually Governing

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:01 pm
by Seacoaster(1)
"The big news until shortly before midnight tonight was that businesses do indeed seem to be coming home after the pandemic illustrated the dangers of stretched supply lines, the global minimum tax reduced the incentives to flee to other countries with lower taxes, and the passage of the CHIPS and Science Act and the Inflation Reduction Act spurred investment in technology.

Yesterday, Honda and LG Energy Solution announced they would spend $4.4 billion to construct a new battery plant in the U.S. to join the plants General Motors is building in Ohio, Michigan, and Tennessee; the ones Ford is building in Kentucky and Tennessee; the one Toyota is building in North Carolina; and the one Stellantis is building in Indiana. The plants are part of the switch to electric vehicles. According to auto industry reporter Neal E. Boudette of the New York Times, they represent “one of the most profound shifts the auto industry has experienced in its century-long history.”

Today, Kentucky governor Andy Beshear (D) announced that Kentucky has secured more than $8.5 billion for investment in the production of electric vehicle batteries, which should produce more than 8,000 jobs in the EV sector. “Kentuckians will literally be powering the future,” he said.

Also today, First Solar, the largest solar panel maker in the U.S., announced that it would construct a new solar panel plant in the Southeast, investing up to $1 billion. It credited the Inflation Reduction Act with making solar construction attractive enough in the U.S. to build here rather than elsewhere. First Solar has also said it will upgrade and expand an existing plant in Ohio, spending $185 million.

Corning has announced a new manufacturing plant outside Phoenix, Arizona, to build fiber-optic cable to help supply the $42.5 billion high-speed internet infrastructure investment made possible by the Bipartisan Infrastructure Act. AT&T will also build a new fiber internet network in Arizona.

The CHIPS and Science Act is spurring investment in the manufacturing of chips in the U.S. Earlier this month, Micron announced a $40 billion investment in the next eight years, producing up to 40,000 new jobs. Qualcomm has also committed to investing $4.2 billion in chips from the New York facility of GlobalFoundries. Qualcomm says it intends to increase chip production in the U.S. by 50% over the next five years. In January, Intel announced it would invest $20 billion, and possibly as much as $100 billion, in a chip plant in Ohio.

This investment is part of a larger trend in which U.S. companies are bringing their operations back to the U.S. Last week, a report by the Reshoring Initiative noted that nearly 350,000 U.S. jobs have come home this year. The coronavirus pandemic, Russia’s war on Ukraine, and China’s instability were the push to bring jobs home, while the Inflation Reduction Act and the CHIPS and Science Act were the pull. Dion Rabouin notes in the Wall Street Journal that this reshoring will not necessarily translate to blue-collar jobs, as companies will likely increase automation to avoid higher labor costs.

President Joe Biden’s record is unexpectedly strong going into the midterms, and he is directly challenging Republicans on the issues they formerly considered their own. Today, in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, he challenged the Republicans on their claim to be the party of law and order, calling out their recent demands to “defund” the FBI and saying he wants to increase funding for law enforcement to enable it to have more social workers, mental health care specialists, and so on.

He noted that law enforcement officers want a ban on assault weapons and that he would work to pass one like that of 1994. When that law expired in 2004, mass shootings in the U.S. tripled.

Then the president took on MAGA Republicans: “A safer America requires all of us to uphold the rule of law, not the rule of any one party or any one person.” He addressed Senator Lindsey Graham’s comment yesterday about how there would be violence if the Department of Justice (DOJ) indicted Trump. “Let’s be clear,” Biden said, “You hear some of my friends in the other team talking about political violence and how it’s necessary.” But violence is never appropriate, he said. “Never. Period. Never, never, never. No one should be encouraged to use political violence. None whatsoever.”

To audience applause, he called out those who supported the January 6 attack on the Capitol: “Don’t tell me you support law enforcement if you won’t condemn what happened on the 6th…. For God’s sake, whose side are you on?... You can’t be pro-law enforcement and pro-insurrection. You can’t be a party of law and order and call the people who attacked the police on January 6th ‘patriots.’ You can’t do it.”

While Biden is consolidating and pushing the Democrats’ worldview, the Republicans are in disarray. The revelation that former president Trump moved classified intelligence to the Trump Organization’s property at Mar-a-Lago has kept some of them sidelined, as they didn’t want to talk about the issue, and has forced others to try to justify an unprecedented breach of national security. Republican candidates for elected office who are not in deep red districts have been taking references to Trump (and to abortion restrictions) off their websites.

The deadly seriousness of what he has done is clear in part from the former president’s own behavior over it. Yesterday, he demanded to be made president or to have a do-over of the 2020 election; today, after constant reposting of conspiracy theories and defenses on his ailing Truth Social, he wrote: “Why are people so mean?”

The reason for his fear turned up tonight in a Department of Justice filing in response to his demand for the appointment of a special master to review the documents, and for the return of several of them to him. His requests gave the DOJ an opening to correct the record that he and his allies have been muddying.

This document replaced the economic news as today’s big story. The DOJ laid out the timeline behind the attempt of the U.S. government to recover the materials Trump took. First, officials from the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) recognized that materials were missing and tried to get Trump to return them voluntarily. When he finally handed over 15 boxes, the officials recognized that some of the materials were “highly classified” and told the Department of Justice.

Trump delayed the FBI examination of the boxes, but when officials got into them, they recognized their haphazard storage threatened national security. They got evidence of more records at Mar-a-Lago, for which they obtained a grand jury subpoena. Trump’s representatives handed over a few more documents, and a lawyer certified that that was it—they had done a diligent search and now could confirm that there were no more documents left. They said there were no materials stored anywhere but a storeroom, but they refused to let agents look inside the boxes there.

It was a lie both that there were no more documents, and that materials were contained in the storeroom. The FBI learned there were still more documents, got a search warrant, and on August 8 seized from at least two locations 33 more boxes with more than 100 classified records—twice as many classified documents as Trump and his representatives had handed over under the subpoena.

The U.S. government spelled out that “those records do not belong to him”; they belong to the United States. It said that Trump never asserted that the records had been declassified or asserted any claim of executive privilege, and Trump’s representatives indicated they thought the documents were classified. It made a strong case that the former president and his lawyer obstructed the search for the documents.

Even more chilling than the words of the filing was the exhibit attached: a photo of SECRET, TOP SECRET, and SECRET/SCI files recovered from a container, spread out on a carpeted floor next to a banker’s box containing framed TIME magazine covers.

Trump has added Chris Kise, the former solicitor general of Florida, to his legal team. Although the Republican National Committee has been paying the former president’s legal bills since he left office, it will not pay the legal fees he racks up over this issue."

From HCR 8/31/22

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 9:21 am
by youthathletics
Progressive ideology.....kill off those who fall in to the drug trap? https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/sta ... 6bwwjqYwvQ

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:52 pm
by a fan
youthathletics wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 9:21 am Progressive ideology.....kill off those who fall in to the drug trap? https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/sta ... 6bwwjqYwvQ
Great example of: why I'm a moderate. Extreme ideologies don't work.

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:44 am
by Seacoaster(1)
Governing works:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/11/us/p ... d=tw-share

"For a generation or more, America’s high levels of child poverty set it apart from other rich nations, leaving millions of young people lacking support as basic as food and shelter amid mounting evidence that early hardship leaves children poorer, sicker and less educated as adults.

But with little public notice and accelerating speed, America’s children have become much less poor.

A comprehensive new analysis shows that child poverty has fallen 59 percent since 1993, with need receding on nearly every front. Child poverty has fallen in every state, and it has fallen by about the same degree among children who are white, Black, Hispanic and Asian, living with one parent or two, and in native or immigrant households. Deep poverty, a form of especially severe deprivation, has fallen nearly as much.

In 1993, nearly 28 percent of children were poor, meaning their households lacked the income the government deemed necessary to meet basic needs. By 2019, before temporary pandemic aid drove it even lower, child poverty had fallen to about 11 percent.

More than eight million children remained in poverty, and despite shared progress, Black and Latino children are about three times as likely as white children to be poor. With the poverty line low (about $29,000 for a family of four in a place with typical living costs), many families who escape poverty in the statistical sense still experience hardship.

Still, the sharp retreat of child poverty represents major progress and has drawn surprisingly little notice, even among policy experts.

It has coincided with profound changes to the safety net, which at once became more stringent and more generous. Starting in the 1990s, tough welfare laws shrank cash aid to parents without jobs. But other subsidies grew, especially for working families, and total federal spending on low-income children roughly doubled.

To examine the drop in child poverty, The New York Times collaborated with Child Trends, a nonpartisan research group with an expertise in statistical analysis. The joint project relied on the data the Census Bureau uses to calculate poverty rates but examined it over more years and in greater demographic detail.

The analysis found that multiple forces reduced child poverty, including lower unemployment, increased labor force participation among single mothers and the growth of state-level minimum wages. But a dominant factor was the expansion of government aid.

In 1993, safety net programs cut child poverty by 9 percent from what it would have been absent the aid. By 2019, those programs had cut child poverty by 44 percent, and the number of children they removed from poverty more than tripled to 6.5 million.

“This is an astounding decline in child poverty,” said Dana Thomson, a co-author of the Child Trends study. “Its magnitude is unequaled in the history of poverty measurement, and the single largest explanation is the growth of the safety net.”

Renee Ryberg, another co-author, said the poverty reduction offered millions of children greater prospects of success. “A childhood free of poverty predicts better adult outcomes in just about every area you can imagine, including education, earnings and health,” she said.

The analysis excluded 2020, the most recent year for which data is available, because pandemic aid made it unrepresentative. Including it makes the decline since 1993 even greater, at 69 percent.

The plunge in child poverty is the opposite of what most liberal experts predicted a quarter-century ago when President Bill Clinton signed a law from a Republican Congress to “end welfare as we know it.”

Conservatives say the landmark law pushed more parents to work and call it the main reason child poverty declined. Progressives say many working families would still be poor without the expanded safety net, which grew in part to compensate for stagnant wages amid decades of rising inequality.

A patchwork of programs shaped by a century of political conflict and compromise, the safety net bears the imprint of both parties and commands the satisfaction of neither. Most Republicans want less spending, more local control and more rules requiring beneficiaries to work. Most Democrats want higher benefits for more people, as seen in their unsuccessful push this year to permanently turn the child tax credit, a workers’ subsidy, into a broader income guarantee.

Critics of all sorts, including those getting aid, complain of red tape.

Yet whatever its flaws, the safety net depicted in the Child Trends data lifts a record share of children from poverty. “The federal government declared war on poverty, and poverty won,” President Ronald Reagan said a generation ago. With child poverty at a record low, that narrative of defeat appears obsolete.

“This decline in child poverty is very significant. I cannot say it enough,” said Dolores Acevedo-Garcia, a poverty expert at Brandeis University who reviewed the data. “If we still had the rates as we had in the 1990s, there would be 12 million more children in poverty.”

Long article. There's much more.

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:02 am
by youthathletics
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:44 am Governing works:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/11/us/p ... d=tw-share

"For a generation or more, America’s high levels of child poverty set it apart from other rich nations, leaving millions of young people lacking support as basic as food and shelter amid mounting evidence that early hardship leaves children poorer, sicker and less educated as adults.

But with little public notice and accelerating speed, America’s children have become much less poor.
Interesting, does this imply that the middle class is NOT shrinking and actually growing?

The latest census numbers indicate what income ranges constitute the middle class (as of 2020). This will depend on family size. For a single individual, a middle-class income ranges from $30,000 - $90,000 per year. For a couple it starts at $42,430 up to $127,300; for a family of three, $60,000 - $180,000; and four $67,100 - $201,270.