Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:32 pm
Democrats govern. Republicans want to destroy the government.
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I'd much prefer he work on making training/education free going forward.CU88 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:27 pm A great step!
Biden to cancel up to $10,000 in student debt for most borrowers
The president is also cancelling up to $20,000 for Pell recipients, and is extending a pause on federal student loan payments through Dec. 31
https://www.washingtonpost.com/educatio ... cellation/
I have no issue with many other steps or options too.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:32 pmI'd much prefer he work on making training/education free going forward.CU88 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:27 pm A great step!
Biden to cancel up to $10,000 in student debt for most borrowers
The president is also cancelling up to $20,000 for Pell recipients, and is extending a pause on federal student loan payments through Dec. 31
https://www.washingtonpost.com/educatio ... cellation/
Train kids to code, to weld, to cook, to build homes, to wire buildings, etc., to fill all those unfilled openings.
And fix our VISA system.
The problem is doing one piece at a time in a dynamic model is a joke and will lead to other likely worse externalities. What is being executed on today is a joke. Form over substance once again.CU88 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:57 pmI have no issue with many other steps or options too.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:32 pmI'd much prefer he work on making training/education free going forward.CU88 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:27 pm A great step!
Biden to cancel up to $10,000 in student debt for most borrowers
The president is also cancelling up to $20,000 for Pell recipients, and is extending a pause on federal student loan payments through Dec. 31
https://www.washingtonpost.com/educatio ... cellation/
Train kids to code, to weld, to cook, to build homes, to wire buildings, etc., to fill all those unfilled openings.
And fix our VISA system.
You are 100% right, but we all know that will never happen. We could start a whole new forum on just this one topic.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:26 amThe problem is doing one piece at a time in a dynamic model is a joke and will lead to other likely worse externalities. What is being executed on today is a joke. Form over substance once again.CU88 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:57 pmI have no issue with many other steps or options too.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:32 pmI'd much prefer he work on making training/education free going forward.CU88 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:27 pm A great step!
Biden to cancel up to $10,000 in student debt for most borrowers
The president is also cancelling up to $20,000 for Pell recipients, and is extending a pause on federal student loan payments through Dec. 31
https://www.washingtonpost.com/educatio ... cellation/
Train kids to code, to weld, to cook, to build homes, to wire buildings, etc., to fill all those unfilled openings.
And fix our VISA system.
Last two parts I have issue with but more importantly changing a piece changes everything not just the piece directed.CU88 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:46 amYou are 100% right, but we all know that will never happen. We could start a whole new forum on just this one topic.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:26 amThe problem is doing one piece at a time in a dynamic model is a joke and will lead to other likely worse externalities. What is being executed on today is a joke. Form over substance once again.CU88 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:57 pmI have no issue with many other steps or options too.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:32 pmI'd much prefer he work on making training/education free going forward.CU88 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:27 pm A great step!
Biden to cancel up to $10,000 in student debt for most borrowers
The president is also cancelling up to $20,000 for Pell recipients, and is extending a pause on federal student loan payments through Dec. 31
https://www.washingtonpost.com/educatio ... cellation/
Train kids to code, to weld, to cook, to build homes, to wire buildings, etc., to fill all those unfilled openings.
And fix our VISA system.
Biden campaigned on taking some action on this topic, and he finally did. Right or wrong action, but he took an action.
I do think that this is a targeted measure that does help some in need; it is not "trickle down" bs.
d's finally playing the r's game.
I don't disagree.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:04 amLast two parts I have issue with but more importantly changing a piece changes everything not just the piece directed.CU88 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:46 amYou are 100% right, but we all know that will never happen. We could start a whole new forum on just this one topic.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:26 amThe problem is doing one piece at a time in a dynamic model is a joke and will lead to other likely worse externalities. What is being executed on today is a joke. Form over substance once again.CU88 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:57 pmI have no issue with many other steps or options too.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:32 pmI'd much prefer he work on making training/education free going forward.CU88 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:27 pm A great step!
Biden to cancel up to $10,000 in student debt for most borrowers
The president is also cancelling up to $20,000 for Pell recipients, and is extending a pause on federal student loan payments through Dec. 31
https://www.washingtonpost.com/educatio ... cellation/
Train kids to code, to weld, to cook, to build homes, to wire buildings, etc., to fill all those unfilled openings.
And fix our VISA system.
Biden campaigned on taking some action on this topic, and he finally did. Right or wrong action, but he took an action.
I do think that this is a targeted measure that does help some in need; it is not "trickle down" bs.
d's finally playing the r's game.
Trickle down is a terrible description but more technically supply side vs demand side I think it should be clear that most demand side stimulus (Keynesian planning) has caused far more problems than supply side stimulus though given dynamic model element it’s almost a narrative fallacy to conclude anything either way realistically.
I’m hardly excited for “Ds playing the R game”
I guess taking action, any action, is the politically modified definition of “progressive” but that’s where I have problems. Actions have consequences. I have yet to hear thoughtful approach to considering the outcomes, only that itll “unlock” or “help” a bunch of people. No consideration of FOs equences or how we’re still finding these govt gtd loans to people and colleges are still charging whatever they want despite there being a very massive supply imbalance vs demand for higher Ed coming if you look at the demographics. Start with the universities and go they manage their endowments and opex. Then deal with debt. That would be the intelligent thing to do. To continue to make loans at $75-$80k/yr price rages for generic degrees after taking this action is by far the stupidest thing I could imagine. Doesn't solve anything when higher Ed is using the subsidized money to their own fiefdoms at any price they want and the gift is continuing to subsidize it while complaining about the debt they provided and caused the price of education to rise in the first place (it’s a fact that subsidies raise prices). Many while piling up multi billion dollar endowments and research enterprises.
I’ll check the site out thanks. Huge proponent of community college and have had a problem with tying employment training to higher Ed since I was in college but that horse left looong ago. I would still have a problem with targeted free education, maybe tied with real service like 5-7yrs working for govt in role related to degree. I’m not a fan of directing activity which is what would come from that sort of action by making certain majors free. Not that we don’t have a shortage but it might not bring the right people into the space long term because of the incentive. Then we’ve got a bunch of people you hate who were formerly lawyers and bankers now as tech folks ruining society.CU88 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:33 amI don't disagree.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:04 amLast two parts I have issue with but more importantly changing a piece changes everything not just the piece directed.CU88 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:46 amYou are 100% right, but we all know that will never happen. We could start a whole new forum on just this one topic.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:26 amThe problem is doing one piece at a time in a dynamic model is a joke and will lead to other likely worse externalities. What is being executed on today is a joke. Form over substance once again.CU88 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:57 pmI have no issue with many other steps or options too.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:32 pmI'd much prefer he work on making training/education free going forward.CU88 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:27 pm A great step!
Biden to cancel up to $10,000 in student debt for most borrowers
The president is also cancelling up to $20,000 for Pell recipients, and is extending a pause on federal student loan payments through Dec. 31
https://www.washingtonpost.com/educatio ... cellation/
Train kids to code, to weld, to cook, to build homes, to wire buildings, etc., to fill all those unfilled openings.
And fix our VISA system.
Biden campaigned on taking some action on this topic, and he finally did. Right or wrong action, but he took an action.
I do think that this is a targeted measure that does help some in need; it is not "trickle down" bs.
d's finally playing the r's game.
Trickle down is a terrible description but more technically supply side vs demand side I think it should be clear that most demand side stimulus (Keynesian planning) has caused far more problems than supply side stimulus though given dynamic model element it’s almost a narrative fallacy to conclude anything either way realistically.
I’m hardly excited for “Ds playing the R game”
I guess taking action, any action, is the politically modified definition of “progressive” but that’s where I have problems. Actions have consequences. I have yet to hear thoughtful approach to considering the outcomes, only that itll “unlock” or “help” a bunch of people. No consideration of FOs equences or how we’re still finding these govt gtd loans to people and colleges are still charging whatever they want despite there being a very massive supply imbalance vs demand for higher Ed coming if you look at the demographics. Start with the universities and go they manage their endowments and opex. Then deal with debt. That would be the intelligent thing to do. To continue to make loans at $75-$80k/yr price rages for generic degrees after taking this action is by far the stupidest thing I could imagine. Doesn't solve anything when higher Ed is using the subsidized money to their own fiefdoms at any price they want and the gift is continuing to subsidize it while complaining about the debt they provided and caused the price of education to rise in the first place (it’s a fact that subsidies raise prices). Many while piling up multi billion dollar endowments and research enterprises.
I try to follow some of the postings from this think tank, on education, and have become an advocate for the CCB expansion at the local/county level, as truly expands the educational opportunities for the non-traditional student, who may not have otherwise pursued a bachelor’s degree.
https://www.newamerica.org/education-po ... omes-data/
If I had a magic wand, I would offer full federal funding for the last credit year of a student’s degree in Nursing/STEM/HVAC degrees.
Following up on this I was discussing with an aforementioned alternative student lender that makes Income Based Repayment loans (IBR, a newer structure and distinctly different than Income Sharing Agreements which are not valid legal contracts it appears and IBRs lend to title 4, federally funded colleges, vs ISAs which fund people at U of Phoenix, Coding boot camps, etc). They only lend to Jrs and Snrs, no co signer/parental guarantor. And only lend to nursing and stem majors. Those elements, for a 3+Yr old business and IBRs are newer than that, allows them to reduce defaults from early college attrition and gives them the best data in employment and incomes post graduation. It’s early stages of a new way of lending on college I like conceptually.CU88 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:33 amI don't disagree.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:04 amLast two parts I have issue with but more importantly changing a piece changes everything not just the piece directed.CU88 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:46 amYou are 100% right, but we all know that will never happen. We could start a whole new forum on just this one topic.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:26 amThe problem is doing one piece at a time in a dynamic model is a joke and will lead to other likely worse externalities. What is being executed on today is a joke. Form over substance once again.CU88 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:57 pmI have no issue with many other steps or options too.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:32 pmI'd much prefer he work on making training/education free going forward.CU88 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:27 pm A great step!
Biden to cancel up to $10,000 in student debt for most borrowers
The president is also cancelling up to $20,000 for Pell recipients, and is extending a pause on federal student loan payments through Dec. 31
https://www.washingtonpost.com/educatio ... cellation/
Train kids to code, to weld, to cook, to build homes, to wire buildings, etc., to fill all those unfilled openings.
And fix our VISA system.
Biden campaigned on taking some action on this topic, and he finally did. Right or wrong action, but he took an action.
I do think that this is a targeted measure that does help some in need; it is not "trickle down" bs.
d's finally playing the r's game.
Trickle down is a terrible description but more technically supply side vs demand side I think it should be clear that most demand side stimulus (Keynesian planning) has caused far more problems than supply side stimulus though given dynamic model element it’s almost a narrative fallacy to conclude anything either way realistically.
I’m hardly excited for “Ds playing the R game”
I guess taking action, any action, is the politically modified definition of “progressive” but that’s where I have problems. Actions have consequences. I have yet to hear thoughtful approach to considering the outcomes, only that itll “unlock” or “help” a bunch of people. No consideration of FOs equences or how we’re still finding these govt gtd loans to people and colleges are still charging whatever they want despite there being a very massive supply imbalance vs demand for higher Ed coming if you look at the demographics. Start with the universities and go they manage their endowments and opex. Then deal with debt. That would be the intelligent thing to do. To continue to make loans at $75-$80k/yr price rages for generic degrees after taking this action is by far the stupidest thing I could imagine. Doesn't solve anything when higher Ed is using the subsidized money to their own fiefdoms at any price they want and the gift is continuing to subsidize it while complaining about the debt they provided and caused the price of education to rise in the first place (it’s a fact that subsidies raise prices). Many while piling up multi billion dollar endowments and research enterprises.
I try to follow some of the postings from this think tank, on education, and have become an advocate for the CCB expansion at the local/county level, as truly expands the educational opportunities for the non-traditional student, who may not have otherwise pursued a bachelor’s degree.
https://www.newamerica.org/education-po ... omes-data/
If I had a magic wand, I would offer full federal funding for the last credit year of a student’s degree in Nursing/STEM/HVAC degrees.
Great example of: why I'm a moderate. Extreme ideologies don't work.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 9:21 am Progressive ideology.....kill off those who fall in to the drug trap? https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/sta ... 6bwwjqYwvQ
Interesting, does this imply that the middle class is NOT shrinking and actually growing?Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:44 am Governing works:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/11/us/p ... d=tw-share
"For a generation or more, America’s high levels of child poverty set it apart from other rich nations, leaving millions of young people lacking support as basic as food and shelter amid mounting evidence that early hardship leaves children poorer, sicker and less educated as adults.
But with little public notice and accelerating speed, America’s children have become much less poor.