Transfer Portal 2025

[blue angels]

What options do HS recruits have?

Redshirt.
Shellenberger redshirted, worked out well for him.

Is that ever a player’s decision? If a coach says I want you to play, I can’t see a player say, nah, I’m good, don’t want to burn my year, and just refuse to go in. You could quit the team I suppose if you were committed to leaving the school anyway after the year but that’s not a great advertisement for you going into the portal.

Wouldn't most players interested in redshirting, have that discussion in advance of signing? Yes, Shellenberger and others may see the Fall Ball landscape and decide later they are better off developing their 1st year. They could then save a year they might make less impact. The biggest point, made above, is to select a school where you would be happy, without lacrosse. That makes all the other decisions a lot easier.

[Wheels]

Tills must think the team has a deep run in them for 2025 with the offense he's added in particular. Ward and Hernandez are multi-year players. It's the loading up on graduate transfers that tells you that he thinks those player will potentially get the Terps over the top.

Or he’s desperate and throwing as many darts as possible at a problem area.

Didn’t he just go to Memorial Day with a FO guy & a Close D guy, that’s about all? Doubt he’s desperate lol

Yes, and those two are now gone. I think he got some nice players, but there’s something about grabbing any and every transfer in the portal that seems off to me. It will be a big step up for a lot of these guys.

The two young guys in Ward and Hernandez are different than the graduate transfers. Tills is bringing those grads in to not just steady the ship. The Terps return more than enough to be a Top 10 or better team next year. He's bringing in those graduate transfers for a Memorial Day run. Losing Wierman is a huge loss, but there's a lot of confidence in the program with Shea Keethler to be the main FOGO with Sean Creter developing for the following years. The close defense, even with Zappitello's graduation, is going to be very good next year with Canfield, Burlace, Schaller, and an incoming pole like Laake. Bringing in Goorno shores up the shorty unit. The LSM unit is set. Maybe Hernandez can be the 3rd LSM, but McDonald and Larkin are well above average LSMs.

The offense last year needed 2 things. More dodging but more importantly more shooting. If you look at what Tills specifically brought in, you see very good shooters in Armitage, Keegan, and now Dowd. That will open a lot of space for dodging. Ford adds some pop with his dodging and distribution (replacing Malever). The midfield will run 2 deep again but will have better balance. Next year with these transfers is the bridge to the next cluster of impact recruits on offense for the 2026 season.

Is gravino going to play at all and you sure creter won’t win the main job? Notwithstanding that one game vs Brown where he was getting his feet wet at this level.

Tills really like Gravino. Creter is a great athlete and a lacrosse player not just a specialist. He could beat Keethler, but I know Wierman was really high on Keethler. Suspect they'll both see time.

[wgdsr]

What options do HS recruits have?

Redshirt.
Shellenberger redshirted, worked out well for him.

Is that ever a player’s decision? If a coach says I want you to play, I can’t see a player say, nah, I’m good, don’t want to burn my year, and just refuse to go in. You could quit the team I suppose if you were committed to leaving the school anyway after the year but that’s not a great advertisement for you going into the portal.

Wouldn't most players interested in redshirting, have that discussion in advance of signing? Yes, Shellenberger and others may see the Fall Ball landscape and decide later they are better off developing their 1st year. They could then save a year they might make less impact. The biggest point, made above, is to select a school where you would be happy, without lacrosse. That makes all the other decisions a lot easier.

not like i'm plugged in everywhere, but redshirts seem to mostly happen organically and in any direction without much conflict.

let's face it, players have been given the "go where you'll be happy" speech for how many years now? players in nc$$ go where they think that can work with lacrosse. those that get a bump in schools have that in the bank also.

[Farfromgeneva]

Former Brown goalie Connor Theriault will spend his graduate season with @TampaMLax, he tells @Inside_Lacrosse.

The People’s Goalie was a three-year starter for the Bears, stopping 51.5% in 44 games.

https://x.com/terencefoy/status/1802082 ... EO2hFStaxg

Surprised he couldn't find a home in D1. Lot of teams will need goalies.

Ironically, some of those teams are Ivies.

Yes. It there aren’t taking a grad student transfer

Ivies can't take grad transfers.

Phone typing that’s what I was trying to say then fat thumbs and a strident spellcheck…

[HopFan16]

Incoming transfers to

Albany: Rocco Mareno (FO, Towson)
Boston U: Sam Burns (M, Ohio State)
Bryant: Richie Reid (M, St. John's), Brian Russell (M, Merrimack), Sage Garito (G, Franklin & Marshall), Nick Vance (M, Denison)
Canisius: Jeff Douglas (D, Ursinus)
Dartmouth: Will Stahl (M, Holy Cross), Thomas Power (A, Colorado College)
Delaware: Cory Capri (A, Yale), Jack Kolbe (A, Merrimack)
Denver: Judge Murphy (A, St. Lawrence)
Duke: Aiden Blake (M, Cornell), Graham Blake (A, Harvard), Paul Weathington (SSDM, Princeton), Eric Malever (A, Maryland), Luke Grayum (A, Richmond), Chris Cusolito (M, Providence)
Fairfield: KJ Delane (A, Merrimack), Luke Fisher (A, Denison)
Georgetown: Fulton Bayman (A, Notre Dame)
High Point: Jeb Brenfleck (A, Penn State)
Hofstra: Jon Singer (G, Ursinus)
Jacksonville: Drew Kessenich (M, Detroit Mercy), Dom Zingo (D, Lynchburg), Parker Yearego (M, Cleveland State)
Johns Hopkins: Jack Monfort (SSDM, Yale), John McKee (FO, Dickinson), Patrick Hackler (M, Yale), Luke Staudt (G, Loyola)
Le Moyne: Tom Vaughan (A, Cabrini)
LIU: Benjamin Schuster (M, Mount St. Mary's)
Loyola: Vinnie Trujillo (SSDM, Syracuse)
Marquette: Jack Casey (D, Army)
Maryland: Noah Armitage (M, Stony Brook), Bryce Ford (A, Fairfield), AJ Hernandez (D, Navy), Zack Goorno (SSDM, Bowdoin), Matthew Keegan (A, Binghamton), Luca Ward (A, Holy Cross), Jack Dowd (M, Salisbury)
Michigan: Pace Billings (LSM, Princeton), Lukas Stanat (M, Princeton), Will Byrne (A, Bowdoin), DJ Dixon (M, Wesleyan), Jackson Clay (A/M, High Point)
Mount St. Mary's: Nathan Committee (D, Bellarmine), Jack Smith (A, Randolph Macon)
NJIT: Russ Maher (M, Johns Hopkins), Dylan Sebastian (A, Hofstra)
North Carolina: Michael Gianforcaro (G, Princeton), Spencer Wirtheim (M, Cornell), Nick Dupuis (A, Stony Brook), Andrew O'Berry (SSDM, Harvard), Drew Scott (M, TCU football)
Notre Dame: Greg Campisi (LSM, Harvard)
Ohio State: Ryan Donnery (M, Quinnipiac), Corey O'Connor (D, High Point), Mason Bregman (A, UMass), Shane O'Leary (M, UMass)
Penn: Chris Patterson (A, Hobart)
Penn State: Jack Aimone (M, Rutgers)
Providence: Dan Donahue (G, Union)
Richmond: Ethan Gyllenhaal (SSDM, Bucknell), Brooks Rhine (D, Hobart), Jack Dougherty (M, Stony Brook)
Rutgers: Joseph Juengerkes (SSDM, Princeton), Ethan Barnard (FO, Bowdoin), Kasey Mongillo (M, Merrimack), Greyson Vorgang (A, Denver)
Saint Joseph's: Keaton Zavitz (M, Ohio State)
Sacred Heart: Matt Pepe (A, Bryant)
Stony Brook: Colin Reilly (M, North Carolina), Ethan Linsay (A, Army), Jack Crosby (LSM, Rutgers)
Syracuse: Mike Grace (D, RIT), Ryder Ochoa (SSDM, St. John's)
UMass: Gavin Begonia (A, Ohio State), Trace Hogan (M, Merrimack)
Villanova: Tyler Sandoval (FO, Princeton), Brett Mallee (D, Yale)
Virginia: Johnny Hackett (M, Bryant), Charles Balsamo (A/M, Duke)

*Notable* players in portal:

Attack
Dutch Furlong, Bucknell
Blake Behlen, Stony Brook
Matt Caputo, Ohio State
Koleton Marquis, Johns Hopkins
Owen Murphy, Maryland
Ryan DiRocco, Army

Midfield
Tommy Barnds, Princeton
Luke Nestor, Salisbury
Trevor Douglas, Quinnipiac
Nick Turrini, Lehigh
Griffin Turner, Hofstra
Gavin Dallas, Denver

Defense
Colin Hart, Brown
Mitch Dunham, Mount St. Mary's
Aiden Bodonyi, Ohio State
Owen Quinn, UMass
Jordan Vincent, Syracuse

Goalie
Jamison MacLachlan, Stony Brook
Jack VanValkenburgh, Albany

FO
Caleb Hammett, UMass
Andrew Degennaro, Harvard
Andrew Greenspan, Notre Dame

[Farfromgeneva]

To me a marquis and bodonyi are two of the most interesting ones left.

[Terpslax1991]

Tills must think the team has a deep run in them for 2025 with the offense he's added in particular. Ward and Hernandez are multi-year players. It's the loading up on graduate transfers that tells you that he thinks those player will potentially get the Terps over the top.

Or he’s desperate and throwing as many darts as possible at a problem area.

Didn’t he just go to Memorial Day with a FO guy & a Close D guy, that’s about all? Doubt he’s desperate lol

Yes, and those two are now gone. I think he got some nice players, but there’s something about grabbing any and every transfer in the portal that seems off to me. It will be a big step up for a lot of these guys.

The two young guys in Ward and Hernandez are different than the graduate transfers. Tills is bringing those grads in to not just steady the ship. The Terps return more than enough to be a Top 10 or better team next year. He's bringing in those graduate transfers for a Memorial Day run. Losing Wierman is a huge loss, but there's a lot of confidence in the program with Shea Keethler to be the main FOGO with Sean Creter developing for the following years. The close defense, even with Zappitello's graduation, is going to be very good next year with Canfield, Burlace, Schaller, and an incoming pole like Laake. Bringing in Goorno shores up the shorty unit. The LSM unit is set. Maybe Hernandez can be the 3rd LSM, but McDonald and Larkin are well above average LSMs.

The offense last year needed 2 things. More dodging but more importantly more shooting. If you look at what Tills specifically brought in, you see very good shooters in Armitage, Keegan, and now Dowd. That will open a lot of space for dodging. Ford adds some pop with his dodging and distribution (replacing Malever). The midfield will run 2 deep again but will have better balance. Next year with these transfers is the bridge to the next cluster of impact recruits on offense for the 2026 season.

I think Maryland will still be a good team next year, I just don’t think this automatically makes them a contender with Notre Dame. All of these new offensive players are coming from teams that played, let’s just say, not the greatest schedules. I’m sure a lot of the players you would say didn’t dodge well enough, or shoot well enough for the Terps last year, would put up pretty good numbers against the teams Stony Brook, Binghamton and Salisbury played last year. Offensively at least, this all feels quite random.

When you add 4 guys who can add 100 goals to the O, you did OK.

[coda]

What options do HS recruits have?

Redshirt.
Shellenberger redshirted, worked out well for him.

Is that ever a player’s decision? If a coach says I want you to play, I can’t see a player say, nah, I’m good, don’t want to burn my year, and just refuse to go in. You could quit the team I suppose if you were committed to leaving the school anyway after the year but that’s not a great advertisement for you going into the portal.

Wouldn't most players interested in redshirting, have that discussion in advance of signing? Yes, Shellenberger and others may see the Fall Ball landscape and decide later they are better off developing their 1st year. They could then save a year they might make less impact. The biggest point, made above, is to select a school where you would be happy, without lacrosse. That makes all the other decisions a lot easier.

I have always wondered why redshirting isnt more common in lacrosse. You get a year to develop your body, adjust to college, and the college game. Not to mention you get an additional year of school, so assuming things go well you should get 1 year of grad work under your belt. Playing early in football and basketball gets your professional clock started early, that isnt the case in lacrosse. Obvious long term benefits for a program.

[Idonthavealefthand]

Air Force goalie Matt Torrey has committed to Colby College. Kinda weird recruiting process where he initial committed to Air Force early on then deco from Air Force just to end up recommitting and attending to entering the portal and now d3 bound

[Formerhound]

What options do HS recruits have?

Redshirt.
Shellenberger redshirted, worked out well for him.

Is that ever a player’s decision? If a coach says I want you to play, I can’t see a player say, nah, I’m good, don’t want to burn my year, and just refuse to go in. You could quit the team I suppose if you were committed to leaving the school anyway after the year but that’s not a great advertisement for you going into the portal.

Wouldn't most players interested in redshirting, have that discussion in advance of signing? Yes, Shellenberger and others may see the Fall Ball landscape and decide later they are better off developing their 1st year. They could then save a year they might make less impact. The biggest point, made above, is to select a school where you would be happy, without lacrosse. That makes all the other decisions a lot easier.

I have always wondered why redshirting isnt more common in lacrosse. You get a year to develop your body, adjust to college, and the college game. Not to mention you get an additional year of school, so assuming things go well you should get 1 year of grad work under your belt. Playing early in football and basketball gets your professional clock started early, that isnt the case in lacrosse. Obvious long term benefits for a program.

Redshirting has its advantages. One of the disadvantages, however, is that you are using scholarship $$$ on someone who isn’t playing. With only 12.6 scholarships available to an entire team, adding a fifth year of scholarship to red shirts dilutes what you have for the rest of the roster. The Patriot League and Ivy League do not allow non- injury red shirts.

Many kids now reclass or do a PG year in order to get the similar advantage of red shirting (bigger, stronger and more mature).

[stevemc]

What options do HS recruits have?

Redshirt.
Shellenberger redshirted, worked out well for him.

Is that ever a player’s decision? If a coach says I want you to play, I can’t see a player say, nah, I’m good, don’t want to burn my year, and just refuse to go in. You could quit the team I suppose if you were committed to leaving the school anyway after the year but that’s not a great advertisement for you going into the portal.

Wouldn't most players interested in redshirting, have that discussion in advance of signing? Yes, Shellenberger and others may see the Fall Ball landscape and decide later they are better off developing their 1st year. They could then save a year they might make less impact. The biggest point, made above, is to select a school where you would be happy, without lacrosse. That makes all the other decisions a lot easier.

I have always wondered why redshirting isnt more common in lacrosse. You get a year to develop your body, adjust to college, and the college game. Not to mention you get an additional year of school, so assuming things go well you should get 1 year of grad work under your belt. Playing early in football and basketball gets your professional clock started early, that isnt the case in lacrosse. Obvious long term benefits for a program.

Redshirting has its advantages. One of the disadvantages, however, is that you are using scholarship $$$ on someone who isn’t playing. With only 12.6 scholarships available to an entire team, adding a fifth year of scholarship to red shirts dilutes what you have for the rest of the roster. The Patriot League and Ivy League do not allow non- injury red shirts.

Many kids now reclass or do a PG year in order to get the similar advantage of red shirting (bigger, stronger and more mature).

Not to mention most of those scholarships are divided amongst the roster so that's an extra year of paying partial tuition. For most of these players, they aren't getting paid to play lacrosse post graduation and going to grad school may be good but you're also staving off the real world and earning income coupled with the extra tuition.

[coda]

What options do HS recruits have?

Redshirt.
Shellenberger redshirted, worked out well for him.

Is that ever a player’s decision? If a coach says I want you to play, I can’t see a player say, nah, I’m good, don’t want to burn my year, and just refuse to go in. You could quit the team I suppose if you were committed to leaving the school anyway after the year but that’s not a great advertisement for you going into the portal.

Wouldn't most players interested in redshirting, have that discussion in advance of signing? Yes, Shellenberger and others may see the Fall Ball landscape and decide later they are better off developing their 1st year. They could then save a year they might make less impact. The biggest point, made above, is to select a school where you would be happy, without lacrosse. That makes all the other decisions a lot easier.

I have always wondered why redshirting isnt more common in lacrosse. You get a year to develop your body, adjust to college, and the college game. Not to mention you get an additional year of school, so assuming things go well you should get 1 year of grad work under your belt. Playing early in football and basketball gets your professional clock started early, that isnt the case in lacrosse. Obvious long term benefits for a program.

Redshirting has its advantages. One of the disadvantages, however, is that you are using scholarship $$$ on someone who isn’t playing. With only 12.6 scholarships available to an entire team, adding a fifth year of scholarship to red shirts dilutes what you have for the rest of the roster. The Patriot League and Ivy League do not allow non- injury red shirts.

Many kids now reclass or do a PG year in order to get the similar advantage of red shirting (bigger, stronger and more mature).

Not really the same. Lacrosse S&C is pretty behind compared to other sports, but you arent doing that in your PG year. Certainly should be better off using college S&C program. The thing is you are one of the more physically developed players, as you are in theory older. You are not getting knocked around by older guys in practice. Those PG years are pretty much costing the same as a year in college.

[Formerhound]

What options do HS recruits have?

Redshirt.
Shellenberger redshirted, worked out well for him.

Is that ever a player’s decision? If a coach says I want you to play, I can’t see a player say, nah, I’m good, don’t want to burn my year, and just refuse to go in. You could quit the team I suppose if you were committed to leaving the school anyway after the year but that’s not a great advertisement for you going into the portal.

Wouldn't most players interested in redshirting, have that discussion in advance of signing? Yes, Shellenberger and others may see the Fall Ball landscape and decide later they are better off developing their 1st year. They could then save a year they might make less impact. The biggest point, made above, is to select a school where you would be happy, without lacrosse. That makes all the other decisions a lot easier.

I have always wondered why redshirting isnt more common in lacrosse. You get a year to develop your body, adjust to college, and the college game. Not to mention you get an additional year of school, so assuming things go well you should get 1 year of grad work under your belt. Playing early in football and basketball gets your professional clock started early, that isnt the case in lacrosse. Obvious long term benefits for a program.

Redshirting has its advantages. One of the disadvantages, however, is that you are using scholarship $$$ on someone who isn’t playing. With only 12.6 scholarships available to an entire team, adding a fifth year of scholarship to red shirts dilutes what you have for the rest of the roster. The Patriot League and Ivy League do not allow non- injury red shirts.

Many kids now reclass or do a PG year in order to get the similar advantage of red shirting (bigger, stronger and more mature).

Not really the same. Lacrosse S&C is pretty behind compared to other sports, but you arent doing that in your PG year. Certainly should be better off using college S&C program. The thing is you are one of the more physically developed players, as you are in theory older. You are not getting knocked around by older guys in practice.

Sorry but I just don’t understand what you are saying here. Not trying to be a dick but I have no idea what your point is.

[coda]

What options do HS recruits have?

Redshirt.
Shellenberger redshirted, worked out well for him.

Is that ever a player’s decision? If a coach says I want you to play, I can’t see a player say, nah, I’m good, don’t want to burn my year, and just refuse to go in. You could quit the team I suppose if you were committed to leaving the school anyway after the year but that’s not a great advertisement for you going into the portal.

Wouldn't most players interested in redshirting, have that discussion in advance of signing? Yes, Shellenberger and others may see the Fall Ball landscape and decide later they are better off developing their 1st year. They could then save a year they might make less impact. The biggest point, made above, is to select a school where you would be happy, without lacrosse. That makes all the other decisions a lot easier.

I have always wondered why redshirting isnt more common in lacrosse. You get a year to develop your body, adjust to college, and the college game. Not to mention you get an additional year of school, so assuming things go well you should get 1 year of grad work under your belt. Playing early in football and basketball gets your professional clock started early, that isnt the case in lacrosse. Obvious long term benefits for a program.

Redshirting has its advantages. One of the disadvantages, however, is that you are using scholarship $$$ on someone who isn’t playing. With only 12.6 scholarships available to an entire team, adding a fifth year of scholarship to red shirts dilutes what you have for the rest of the roster. The Patriot League and Ivy League do not allow non- injury red shirts.

Many kids now reclass or do a PG year in order to get the similar advantage of red shirting (bigger, stronger and more mature).

Not really the same. Lacrosse S&C is pretty behind compared to other sports, but you arent doing that in your PG year. Certainly should be better off using college S&C program. The thing is you are one of the more physically developed players, as you are in theory older. You are not getting knocked around by older guys in practice.

Sorry but I just don’t understand what you are saying here. Not trying to be a dick but I have no idea what your point is.

My point in PG year isnt the same as redshirting. Redshirting you are in a college S&C program. Dont see that in lacrosse at the HS level much. You are also practicing every day vs older players, who are beating up on you. PG year, you are the older player play beating up on the younger players.

[Formerhound]

What options do HS recruits have?

Redshirt.
Shellenberger redshirted, worked out well for him.

Is that ever a player’s decision? If a coach says I want you to play, I can’t see a player say, nah, I’m good, don’t want to burn my year, and just refuse to go in. You could quit the team I suppose if you were committed to leaving the school anyway after the year but that’s not a great advertisement for you going into the portal.

Wouldn't most players interested in redshirting, have that discussion in advance of signing? Yes, Shellenberger and others may see the Fall Ball landscape and decide later they are better off developing their 1st year. They could then save a year they might make less impact. The biggest point, made above, is to select a school where you would be happy, without lacrosse. That makes all the other decisions a lot easier.

I have always wondered why redshirting isnt more common in lacrosse. You get a year to develop your body, adjust to college, and the college game. Not to mention you get an additional year of school, so assuming things go well you should get 1 year of grad work under your belt. Playing early in football and basketball gets your professional clock started early, that isnt the case in lacrosse. Obvious long term benefits for a program.

Redshirting has its advantages. One of the disadvantages, however, is that you are using scholarship $$$ on someone who isn’t playing. With only 12.6 scholarships available to an entire team, adding a fifth year of scholarship to red shirts dilutes what you have for the rest of the roster. The Patriot League and Ivy League do not allow non- injury red shirts.

Many kids now reclass or do a PG year in order to get the similar advantage of red shirting (bigger, stronger and more mature).

Not really the same. Lacrosse S&C is pretty behind compared to other sports, but you arent doing that in your PG year. Certainly should be better off using college S&C program. The thing is you are one of the more physically developed players, as you are in theory older. You are not getting knocked around by older guys in practice.

Sorry but I just don’t understand what you are saying here. Not trying to be a dick but I have no idea what your point is.

My point in PG year isnt the same as redshirting. Redshirting you are in a college S&C program. Dont see that in lacrosse at the HS level much. You are also practicing every day vs older players, who are beating up on you. PG year, you are the older player play beating up on the younger players.

Agree 100%. Point is that many kids aren’t able to redshirt due to league rules or scholarship limits. If I’m coaching at Duke or UND or ND and have 12 recruits coming in I can probably get away with redshirting one or two of them. Can’t afford to redshirt everyone. Which is why some schools get their commits to reclass and do a PG year instead.

[coda]

What options do HS recruits have?

Redshirt.
Shellenberger redshirted, worked out well for him.

Is that ever a player’s decision? If a coach says I want you to play, I can’t see a player say, nah, I’m good, don’t want to burn my year, and just refuse to go in. You could quit the team I suppose if you were committed to leaving the school anyway after the year but that’s not a great advertisement for you going into the portal.

Wouldn't most players interested in redshirting, have that discussion in advance of signing? Yes, Shellenberger and others may see the Fall Ball landscape and decide later they are better off developing their 1st year. They could then save a year they might make less impact. The biggest point, made above, is to select a school where you would be happy, without lacrosse. That makes all the other decisions a lot easier.

I have always wondered why redshirting isnt more common in lacrosse. You get a year to develop your body, adjust to college, and the college game. Not to mention you get an additional year of school, so assuming things go well you should get 1 year of grad work under your belt. Playing early in football and basketball gets your professional clock started early, that isnt the case in lacrosse. Obvious long term benefits for a program.

Redshirting has its advantages. One of the disadvantages, however, is that you are using scholarship $$$ on someone who isn’t playing. With only 12.6 scholarships available to an entire team, adding a fifth year of scholarship to red shirts dilutes what you have for the rest of the roster. The Patriot League and Ivy League do not allow non- injury red shirts.

Many kids now reclass or do a PG year in order to get the similar advantage of red shirting (bigger, stronger and more mature).

Not really the same. Lacrosse S&C is pretty behind compared to other sports, but you arent doing that in your PG year. Certainly should be better off using college S&C program. The thing is you are one of the more physically developed players, as you are in theory older. You are not getting knocked around by older guys in practice.

Sorry but I just don’t understand what you are saying here. Not trying to be a dick but I have no idea what your point is.

My point in PG year isnt the same as redshirting. Redshirting you are in a college S&C program. Dont see that in lacrosse at the HS level much. You are also practicing every day vs older players, who are beating up on you. PG year, you are the older player play beating up on the younger players.

Agree 100%. Point is that many kids aren’t able to redshirt due to league rules or scholarship limits. If I’m coaching at Duke or UND or ND and have 12 recruits coming in I can probably get away with redshirting one or two of them. Can’t afford to redshirt everyone. Which is why some schools get their commits to reclass and do a PG year instead.

lot of a class isnt getting much, the numbers just dont support that (12.6 scholarships and call it ~50 kids. 25% per is everyone was equal and we know that isnt happening). I am just saying you are better off paying full boat (that year) and redshirting, than doing the PG year.

[1766]

What options do HS recruits have?

Redshirt.
Shellenberger redshirted, worked out well for him.

Is that ever a player’s decision? If a coach says I want you to play, I can’t see a player say, nah, I’m good, don’t want to burn my year, and just refuse to go in. You could quit the team I suppose if you were committed to leaving the school anyway after the year but that’s not a great advertisement for you going into the portal.

Wouldn't most players interested in redshirting, have that discussion in advance of signing? Yes, Shellenberger and others may see the Fall Ball landscape and decide later they are better off developing their 1st year. They could then save a year they might make less impact. The biggest point, made above, is to select a school where you would be happy, without lacrosse. That makes all the other decisions a lot easier.

I have always wondered why redshirting isnt more common in lacrosse. You get a year to develop your body, adjust to college, and the college game. Not to mention you get an additional year of school, so assuming things go well you should get 1 year of grad work under your belt. Playing early in football and basketball gets your professional clock started early, that isnt the case in lacrosse. Obvious long term benefits for a program.

Redshirting has its advantages. One of the disadvantages, however, is that you are using scholarship $$$ on someone who isn’t playing. With only 12.6 scholarships available to an entire team, adding a fifth year of scholarship to red shirts dilutes what you have for the rest of the roster. The Patriot League and Ivy League do not allow non- injury red shirts.

Many kids now reclass or do a PG year in order to get the similar advantage of red shirting (bigger, stronger and more mature).

Not really the same. Lacrosse S&C is pretty behind compared to other sports, but you arent doing that in your PG year. Certainly should be better off using college S&C program. The thing is you are one of the more physically developed players, as you are in theory older. You are not getting knocked around by older guys in practice.

Sorry but I just don’t understand what you are saying here. Not trying to be a dick but I have no idea what your point is.

My point in PG year isnt the same as redshirting. Redshirting you are in a college S&C program. Dont see that in lacrosse at the HS level much. You are also practicing every day vs older players, who are beating up on you. PG year, you are the older player play beating up on the younger players.

Agree 100%. Point is that many kids aren’t able to redshirt due to league rules or scholarship limits. If I’m coaching at Duke or UND or ND and have 12 recruits coming in I can probably get away with redshirting one or two of them. Can’t afford to redshirt everyone. Which is why some schools get their commits to reclass and do a PG year instead.

lot of a class isnt getting much, the numbers just dont support that (12.6 scholarships and call it ~50 kids. 25% per is everyone was equal and we know that isnt happening). I am just saying you are better off paying full boat (that year) and redshirting, than doing the PG year.

That 12.6 limit is extremely arbitrary now. With NIL, you can get money to prospective players to cover what the scholarship otherwise would. This is already happening.

[1766]

What options do HS recruits have?

Redshirt.
Shellenberger redshirted, worked out well for him.

Is that ever a player’s decision? If a coach says I want you to play, I can’t see a player say, nah, I’m good, don’t want to burn my year, and just refuse to go in. You could quit the team I suppose if you were committed to leaving the school anyway after the year but that’s not a great advertisement for you going into the portal.

Wouldn't most players interested in redshirting, have that discussion in advance of signing? Yes, Shellenberger and others may see the Fall Ball landscape and decide later they are better off developing their 1st year. They could then save a year they might make less impact. The biggest point, made above, is to select a school where you would be happy, without lacrosse. That makes all the other decisions a lot easier.

I have always wondered why redshirting isnt more common in lacrosse. You get a year to develop your body, adjust to college, and the college game. Not to mention you get an additional year of school, so assuming things go well you should get 1 year of grad work under your belt. Playing early in football and basketball gets your professional clock started early, that isnt the case in lacrosse. Obvious long term benefits for a program.

Redshirting has its advantages. One of the disadvantages, however, is that you are using scholarship $$$ on someone who isn’t playing. With only 12.6 scholarships available to an entire team, adding a fifth year of scholarship to red shirts dilutes what you have for the rest of the roster. The Patriot League and Ivy League do not allow non- injury red shirts.

Many kids now reclass or do a PG year in order to get the similar advantage of red shirting (bigger, stronger and more mature).

Not really the same. Lacrosse S&C is pretty behind compared to other sports, but you arent doing that in your PG year. Certainly should be better off using college S&C program. The thing is you are one of the more physically developed players, as you are in theory older. You are not getting knocked around by older guys in practice.

Sorry but I just don’t understand what you are saying here. Not trying to be a dick but I have no idea what your point is.

My point in PG year isnt the same as redshirting. Redshirting you are in a college S&C program. Dont see that in lacrosse at the HS level much. You are also practicing every day vs older players, who are beating up on you. PG year, you are the older player play beating up on the younger players.

Agree 100%. Point is that many kids aren’t able to redshirt due to league rules or scholarship limits. If I’m coaching at Duke or UND or ND and have 12 recruits coming in I can probably get away with redshirting one or two of them. Can’t afford to redshirt everyone. Which is why some schools get their commits to reclass and do a PG year instead.

lot of a class isnt getting much, the numbers just dont support that (12.6 scholarships and call it ~50 kids. 25% per is everyone was equal and we know that isnt happening). I am just saying you are better off paying full boat (that year) and redshirting, than doing the PG year.

That 12.6 limit is extremely arbitrary now. With NIL, you can get money to prospective players to cover what the scholarship otherwise would. This is already happening.

[coda]

What options do HS recruits have?

Redshirt.
Shellenberger redshirted, worked out well for him.

Is that ever a player’s decision? If a coach says I want you to play, I can’t see a player say, nah, I’m good, don’t want to burn my year, and just refuse to go in. You could quit the team I suppose if you were committed to leaving the school anyway after the year but that’s not a great advertisement for you going into the portal.

Wouldn't most players interested in redshirting, have that discussion in advance of signing? Yes, Shellenberger and others may see the Fall Ball landscape and decide later they are better off developing their 1st year. They could then save a year they might make less impact. The biggest point, made above, is to select a school where you would be happy, without lacrosse. That makes all the other decisions a lot easier.

I have always wondered why redshirting isnt more common in lacrosse. You get a year to develop your body, adjust to college, and the college game. Not to mention you get an additional year of school, so assuming things go well you should get 1 year of grad work under your belt. Playing early in football and basketball gets your professional clock started early, that isnt the case in lacrosse. Obvious long term benefits for a program.

Redshirting has its advantages. One of the disadvantages, however, is that you are using scholarship $$$ on someone who isn’t playing. With only 12.6 scholarships available to an entire team, adding a fifth year of scholarship to red shirts dilutes what you have for the rest of the roster. The Patriot League and Ivy League do not allow non- injury red shirts.

Many kids now reclass or do a PG year in order to get the similar advantage of red shirting (bigger, stronger and more mature).

Not really the same. Lacrosse S&C is pretty behind compared to other sports, but you arent doing that in your PG year. Certainly should be better off using college S&C program. The thing is you are one of the more physically developed players, as you are in theory older. You are not getting knocked around by older guys in practice.

Sorry but I just don’t understand what you are saying here. Not trying to be a dick but I have no idea what your point is.

My point in PG year isnt the same as redshirting. Redshirting you are in a college S&C program. Dont see that in lacrosse at the HS level much. You are also practicing every day vs older players, who are beating up on you. PG year, you are the older player play beating up on the younger players.

Agree 100%. Point is that many kids aren’t able to redshirt due to league rules or scholarship limits. If I’m coaching at Duke or UND or ND and have 12 recruits coming in I can probably get away with redshirting one or two of them. Can’t afford to redshirt everyone. Which is why some schools get their commits to reclass and do a PG year instead.

lot of a class isnt getting much, the numbers just dont support that (12.6 scholarships and call it ~50 kids. 25% per is everyone was equal and we know that isnt happening). I am just saying you are better off paying full boat (that year) and redshirting, than doing the PG year.

That 12.6 limit is extremely arbitrary now. With NIL, you can get money to prospective players to cover what the scholarship otherwise would. This is already happening.

You can say that again

[oldbartman]

1766 wrote "That 12.6 limit is extremely arbitrary now. With NIL, you can get money to prospective players to cover what the scholarship otherwise would. This is already happening."

I get that the ACC and B1G10 schools can afford the extra costs. Does anyone know how much $$ they are handing out ? Are the Ivies playing along with this? Patriot league, A 10, CAA, AE, ASUN & MAAC conference teams probably don't have that kind of extra cash lying around to hand out for a non-revenue sport like lacrosse.