But, but but...health insurance for all!runrussellrun wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:09 amas should, their cell phone usage on social mediaSCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:26 pmIt's been said by a few on the Covid thread, and is worthy of duplicating here, too.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:07 pm I'm clearly not as cool with all these hospitalizations of unvaccinated folks as some of you seem.
Putting aside whether we 'care' about these folks who make a 'decision' not to get vaccinated (as opposed to those who actually shouldn't for a medical reason), let's consider other 'costs':
1) while Delta says hospitalizations have cost them $50k per, another study says $20k (plus outpatient costs, so somewhere in excess of $20k). The bulk of those costs flow through to us as they don't get borne by the actual patient or their family. That study estimated $5.7B already in those costs in US alone.
2) When hospitals and their staffs get stretched to the breaking point, stressed, they lose effectiveness on all the other sorts of medical issues that all the rest of us are bound to have, either ourselves or those we do care about. Whether due to actual capacity as is happening in some hospitals or because staffs make errors or people postpone preventive care, there's a very real cost.
Others may add to these, but seems to me that we really should 'care' about getting everyone vaccinated and, thus, reducing unnecessary hospitalizations and medical system stress.
Vaccination status should be added to the very short list of behavior related questions on a person's health insurance application.
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So you’d prefer rubber stamp yes men providing oversight? That makes sense.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:32 pmWhat what??? Who is authorized to police the police? Should it be people who hate the police. The bad of Rochester is trying to invent a PAB with a built in bias against the police baked into their cake. Why not use the same dumb ass logic to allow former police assigned to all parole boards. They can call it a releasing dangerous felons accountability board. Let me know how that suggestion works for mainstream liberalsFarfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:01 amWhat????cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:59 amWell Rochester has a newly minted Police Accountability Board. All the issues will soon be behind them. Police Officers being judged by people who hate the police and never carried a badge or patrolled the streets. Why don't we have parole boards run by former cops?Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:54 amIf it isn’t happening in the greater Rochester area it isn’t happenignMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:22 amAs I've told you many times in the past, I am never speaking about your nephew nor any specific individual cop...(unless I name them specifically). I have friends in the police, including a HS classmate.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:09 am"Screw the unions" does that apply to teachers and federal workers as well? How do you define a knuckle dragging police officer? How many of these knuckle draggers have spent countless hours in the ED after being assaulted on the job. How many of your "knuckle dragging" customers have ever punched you in your face and sent you to the ED? You don't know jack chit about what the reality is for police officers that patrol the mean streets. My nephew did it for 5 years. After a freaked out crack head got his gun and almost shot him in the head your attitude changes. The easy answer is that TLD tells me if you can't stand the heat then find another job. My nephew has serious PTSD issues and has tried a couple of times to kill himself. He lives in Las Vegas now with his dogs. Smokes a lot of weed and is still messed up. Was he a knuckle dragger when he first joined the force? No he wasn't, he became a victim of a police force that is hated and disrespected by the people they serve. That is not a reality he had any part in. That mistrust that has been generations in the making. This is one of my nephew's memories of his time on the force. His is patrolling on Hudson Ave in Rochester at zero dark thirty. A car flies by him weaving all over the place as it blows through a red light. He pulls the car over. Driver berates him why he is hassling a black man. He explains, or tries to explain why he pulled him over. The eff bombs start to flow and the accusations of him being a racist soon follow. So the drunk dude tries to reach through the window and punch my nephew. The accusations fly that my nephew only pulled him over because he was black. My nephew tells the drunken moron this bit of wisdom. Until I walked up to your car your tinted windows made it impossible for me to see who was in your car. In case you didn't know, not a lot of white boys drive down Hudson Ave at this time of night. My nephew, the knuckle dragger that he was called the guys wife. He let her park is car off the road the knuckle dragger he was then followed them home and did not arrest his drunk ass. That is what knuckle dragging police officers do. They have no sense of humanity at all.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:13 pmOhh I quite agree that it's an enormous problem.a fan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:39 pmI care. But when you have a freaking police union freaking out over mandates-----don't you realize that you can't push any harder? These are public servants who are used to seeing death. If they're so far gone that they won't take an FDA approved vaccine that they know full well will keep them out of the ER?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:07 pm Others may add to these, but seems to me that we really should 'care' about getting everyone vaccinated and, thus, reducing unnecessary hospitalizations and medical system stress.
That's it mate, game over. Reason won't work on these people. It sucks, but here we are, paying the price for the power of the internet.
If I wanted to really say something dumb, I'd say we've been looking for a way to wash many of these knuckle draggers out of the police force, maybe this is the way? Screw the unions, they're the problem to begin with...
ugh, we need trained, good police.
I do say, let'em sue. Charge those unwilling to get vaccinated for the increased risk, provide an option for weekly testing, mandatory masks.
Please read with a little more effort at comprehension what I wrote, including the opening phrase "If I wanted to say something dumb"...
But ok, yes, there are indeed some, indeed too many, "knuckle dragger" cops...racists, sexists, numbskulls...fact. And also fact, the police unions in many/most areas have protected them from being canned when all of us would have been better off with them off the force.
I then said, "ugh, we need trained, good police."
Try to change the subject in your usual personally affronted way, but that's what I wrote.
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I guess you don’t know that even plain vanilla Medicare A and B costs $148.50/month, more over a certain income threshold.kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:05 pmBut, but but...health insurance for all!runrussellrun wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:09 amas should, their cell phone usage on social mediaSCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:26 pmIt's been said by a few on the Covid thread, and is worthy of duplicating here, too.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:07 pm I'm clearly not as cool with all these hospitalizations of unvaccinated folks as some of you seem.
Putting aside whether we 'care' about these folks who make a 'decision' not to get vaccinated (as opposed to those who actually shouldn't for a medical reason), let's consider other 'costs':
1) while Delta says hospitalizations have cost them $50k per, another study says $20k (plus outpatient costs, so somewhere in excess of $20k). The bulk of those costs flow through to us as they don't get borne by the actual patient or their family. That study estimated $5.7B already in those costs in US alone.
2) When hospitals and their staffs get stretched to the breaking point, stressed, they lose effectiveness on all the other sorts of medical issues that all the rest of us are bound to have, either ourselves or those we do care about. Whether due to actual capacity as is happening in some hospitals or because staffs make errors or people postpone preventive care, there's a very real cost.
Others may add to these, but seems to me that we really should 'care' about getting everyone vaccinated and, thus, reducing unnecessary hospitalizations and medical system stress.
Vaccination status should be added to the very short list of behavior related questions on a person's health insurance application.
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Agree. Make insurance for those who cant get it on their own, more expensive.
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What part of this are you not getting?kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:25 pm Agree. Make insurance for those who cant get it on their own, more expensive.
And PS: Tax the rich.
Even Medicare covered people pay.
You want insurance coverage at the lowest price point? Don’t smoke and get your vaccines.
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Well the police union of the officers that serve Rochester NY have a contract with the city of rochester that already has strict guidelines for investigating complaints against police officers. No where in that contract is a PAB ever authorized. So what you are saying is you have no problem with the city of Rochester violating a union contract. The issue is about the city of rochester overstepping its legal authority and violating a binding contract with the police officers of the city of rochester. That is why this issue is being dragged out in court. So far the police union representing their officers have won every step of the way. If the city was hell bent on forming a PAB, they should have included the police union in the discussion. A binding contract should mean something.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:13 pmSo you’d prefer rubber stamp yes men providing oversight? That makes sense.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:32 pmWhat what??? Who is authorized to police the police? Should it be people who hate the police. The bad of Rochester is trying to invent a PAB with a built in bias against the police baked into their cake. Why not use the same dumb ass logic to allow former police assigned to all parole boards. They can call it a releasing dangerous felons accountability board. Let me know how that suggestion works for mainstream liberalsFarfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:01 amWhat????cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:59 amWell Rochester has a newly minted Police Accountability Board. All the issues will soon be behind them. Police Officers being judged by people who hate the police and never carried a badge or patrolled the streets. Why don't we have parole boards run by former cops?Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:54 amIf it isn’t happening in the greater Rochester area it isn’t happenignMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:22 amAs I've told you many times in the past, I am never speaking about your nephew nor any specific individual cop...(unless I name them specifically). I have friends in the police, including a HS classmate.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:09 am"Screw the unions" does that apply to teachers and federal workers as well? How do you define a knuckle dragging police officer? How many of these knuckle draggers have spent countless hours in the ED after being assaulted on the job. How many of your "knuckle dragging" customers have ever punched you in your face and sent you to the ED? You don't know jack chit about what the reality is for police officers that patrol the mean streets. My nephew did it for 5 years. After a freaked out crack head got his gun and almost shot him in the head your attitude changes. The easy answer is that TLD tells me if you can't stand the heat then find another job. My nephew has serious PTSD issues and has tried a couple of times to kill himself. He lives in Las Vegas now with his dogs. Smokes a lot of weed and is still messed up. Was he a knuckle dragger when he first joined the force? No he wasn't, he became a victim of a police force that is hated and disrespected by the people they serve. That is not a reality he had any part in. That mistrust that has been generations in the making. This is one of my nephew's memories of his time on the force. His is patrolling on Hudson Ave in Rochester at zero dark thirty. A car flies by him weaving all over the place as it blows through a red light. He pulls the car over. Driver berates him why he is hassling a black man. He explains, or tries to explain why he pulled him over. The eff bombs start to flow and the accusations of him being a racist soon follow. So the drunk dude tries to reach through the window and punch my nephew. The accusations fly that my nephew only pulled him over because he was black. My nephew tells the drunken moron this bit of wisdom. Until I walked up to your car your tinted windows made it impossible for me to see who was in your car. In case you didn't know, not a lot of white boys drive down Hudson Ave at this time of night. My nephew, the knuckle dragger that he was called the guys wife. He let her park is car off the road the knuckle dragger he was then followed them home and did not arrest his drunk ass. That is what knuckle dragging police officers do. They have no sense of humanity at all.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:13 pmOhh I quite agree that it's an enormous problem.a fan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:39 pmI care. But when you have a freaking police union freaking out over mandates-----don't you realize that you can't push any harder? These are public servants who are used to seeing death. If they're so far gone that they won't take an FDA approved vaccine that they know full well will keep them out of the ER?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:07 pm Others may add to these, but seems to me that we really should 'care' about getting everyone vaccinated and, thus, reducing unnecessary hospitalizations and medical system stress.
That's it mate, game over. Reason won't work on these people. It sucks, but here we are, paying the price for the power of the internet.
If I wanted to really say something dumb, I'd say we've been looking for a way to wash many of these knuckle draggers out of the police force, maybe this is the way? Screw the unions, they're the problem to begin with...
ugh, we need trained, good police.
I do say, let'em sue. Charge those unwilling to get vaccinated for the increased risk, provide an option for weekly testing, mandatory masks.
Please read with a little more effort at comprehension what I wrote, including the opening phrase "If I wanted to say something dumb"...
But ok, yes, there are indeed some, indeed too many, "knuckle dragger" cops...racists, sexists, numbskulls...fact. And also fact, the police unions in many/most areas have protected them from being canned when all of us would have been better off with them off the force.
I then said, "ugh, we need trained, good police."
Try to change the subject in your usual personally affronted way, but that's what I wrote.
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That’s not anything you stated or introduced in your prior note. You attacked the notion of such a composition of oversight not any legal argument. Now you’re trying to find another reason.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:55 pmWell the police union of the officers that serve Rochester NY have a contract with the city of rochester that already has strict guidelines for investigating complaints against police officers. No where in that contract is a PAB ever authorized. So what you are saying is you have no problem with the city of Rochester violating a union contract. The issue is about the city of rochester overstepping its legal authority and violating a binding contract with the police officers of the city of rochester. That is why this issue is being dragged out in court. So far the police union representing their officers have won every step of the way. If the city was hell bent on forming a PAB, they should have included the police union in the discussion. A binding contract should mean something.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:13 pmSo you’d prefer rubber stamp yes men providing oversight? That makes sense.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:32 pmWhat what??? Who is authorized to police the police? Should it be people who hate the police. The bad of Rochester is trying to invent a PAB with a built in bias against the police baked into their cake. Why not use the same dumb ass logic to allow former police assigned to all parole boards. They can call it a releasing dangerous felons accountability board. Let me know how that suggestion works for mainstream liberalsFarfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:01 amWhat????cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:59 amWell Rochester has a newly minted Police Accountability Board. All the issues will soon be behind them. Police Officers being judged by people who hate the police and never carried a badge or patrolled the streets. Why don't we have parole boards run by former cops?Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:54 amIf it isn’t happening in the greater Rochester area it isn’t happenignMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:22 amAs I've told you many times in the past, I am never speaking about your nephew nor any specific individual cop...(unless I name them specifically). I have friends in the police, including a HS classmate.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:09 am"Screw the unions" does that apply to teachers and federal workers as well? How do you define a knuckle dragging police officer? How many of these knuckle draggers have spent countless hours in the ED after being assaulted on the job. How many of your "knuckle dragging" customers have ever punched you in your face and sent you to the ED? You don't know jack chit about what the reality is for police officers that patrol the mean streets. My nephew did it for 5 years. After a freaked out crack head got his gun and almost shot him in the head your attitude changes. The easy answer is that TLD tells me if you can't stand the heat then find another job. My nephew has serious PTSD issues and has tried a couple of times to kill himself. He lives in Las Vegas now with his dogs. Smokes a lot of weed and is still messed up. Was he a knuckle dragger when he first joined the force? No he wasn't, he became a victim of a police force that is hated and disrespected by the people they serve. That is not a reality he had any part in. That mistrust that has been generations in the making. This is one of my nephew's memories of his time on the force. His is patrolling on Hudson Ave in Rochester at zero dark thirty. A car flies by him weaving all over the place as it blows through a red light. He pulls the car over. Driver berates him why he is hassling a black man. He explains, or tries to explain why he pulled him over. The eff bombs start to flow and the accusations of him being a racist soon follow. So the drunk dude tries to reach through the window and punch my nephew. The accusations fly that my nephew only pulled him over because he was black. My nephew tells the drunken moron this bit of wisdom. Until I walked up to your car your tinted windows made it impossible for me to see who was in your car. In case you didn't know, not a lot of white boys drive down Hudson Ave at this time of night. My nephew, the knuckle dragger that he was called the guys wife. He let her park is car off the road the knuckle dragger he was then followed them home and did not arrest his drunk ass. That is what knuckle dragging police officers do. They have no sense of humanity at all.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:13 pmOhh I quite agree that it's an enormous problem.a fan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:39 pmI care. But when you have a freaking police union freaking out over mandates-----don't you realize that you can't push any harder? These are public servants who are used to seeing death. If they're so far gone that they won't take an FDA approved vaccine that they know full well will keep them out of the ER?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:07 pm Others may add to these, but seems to me that we really should 'care' about getting everyone vaccinated and, thus, reducing unnecessary hospitalizations and medical system stress.
That's it mate, game over. Reason won't work on these people. It sucks, but here we are, paying the price for the power of the internet.
If I wanted to really say something dumb, I'd say we've been looking for a way to wash many of these knuckle draggers out of the police force, maybe this is the way? Screw the unions, they're the problem to begin with...
ugh, we need trained, good police.
I do say, let'em sue. Charge those unwilling to get vaccinated for the increased risk, provide an option for weekly testing, mandatory masks.
Please read with a little more effort at comprehension what I wrote, including the opening phrase "If I wanted to say something dumb"...
But ok, yes, there are indeed some, indeed too many, "knuckle dragger" cops...racists, sexists, numbskulls...fact. And also fact, the police unions in many/most areas have protected them from being canned when all of us would have been better off with them off the force.
I then said, "ugh, we need trained, good police."
Try to change the subject in your usual personally affronted way, but that's what I wrote.
On top of it you’re first sentence couldn’t be derived from anything I said in prior notes, just being incendiary and ASSuming things not in fact presented in any manner whatsoever.
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You are correct, i put the cart before the horse and interjected my personal opinion into the issue. This issue will be litigated by the police union lawyers and the city of rochester. The issue will be is the city violating their contract with local police officers? I think they are. i also understand the theory of a PAB is a good idea. The basis for any PAB has to be 100% percent neutral and bi partisan in nature. This is not the PAB model the city of rochester came up with. At least one of the members of this board was a convicted felon.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:11 pmThat’s not anything you stated or introduced in your prior note. You attacked the notion of such a composition of oversight not any legal argument. Now you’re trying to find another reason.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:55 pmWell the police union of the officers that serve Rochester NY have a contract with the city of rochester that already has strict guidelines for investigating complaints against police officers. No where in that contract is a PAB ever authorized. So what you are saying is you have no problem with the city of Rochester violating a union contract. The issue is about the city of rochester overstepping its legal authority and violating a binding contract with the police officers of the city of rochester. That is why this issue is being dragged out in court. So far the police union representing their officers have won every step of the way. If the city was hell bent on forming a PAB, they should have included the police union in the discussion. A binding contract should mean something.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:13 pmSo you’d prefer rubber stamp yes men providing oversight? That makes sense.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:32 pmWhat what??? Who is authorized to police the police? Should it be people who hate the police. The bad of Rochester is trying to invent a PAB with a built in bias against the police baked into their cake. Why not use the same dumb ass logic to allow former police assigned to all parole boards. They can call it a releasing dangerous felons accountability board. Let me know how that suggestion works for mainstream liberalsFarfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:01 amWhat????cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:59 amWell Rochester has a newly minted Police Accountability Board. All the issues will soon be behind them. Police Officers being judged by people who hate the police and never carried a badge or patrolled the streets. Why don't we have parole boards run by former cops?Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:54 amIf it isn’t happening in the greater Rochester area it isn’t happenignMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:22 amAs I've told you many times in the past, I am never speaking about your nephew nor any specific individual cop...(unless I name them specifically). I have friends in the police, including a HS classmate.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:09 am"Screw the unions" does that apply to teachers and federal workers as well? How do you define a knuckle dragging police officer? How many of these knuckle draggers have spent countless hours in the ED after being assaulted on the job. How many of your "knuckle dragging" customers have ever punched you in your face and sent you to the ED? You don't know jack chit about what the reality is for police officers that patrol the mean streets. My nephew did it for 5 years. After a freaked out crack head got his gun and almost shot him in the head your attitude changes. The easy answer is that TLD tells me if you can't stand the heat then find another job. My nephew has serious PTSD issues and has tried a couple of times to kill himself. He lives in Las Vegas now with his dogs. Smokes a lot of weed and is still messed up. Was he a knuckle dragger when he first joined the force? No he wasn't, he became a victim of a police force that is hated and disrespected by the people they serve. That is not a reality he had any part in. That mistrust that has been generations in the making. This is one of my nephew's memories of his time on the force. His is patrolling on Hudson Ave in Rochester at zero dark thirty. A car flies by him weaving all over the place as it blows through a red light. He pulls the car over. Driver berates him why he is hassling a black man. He explains, or tries to explain why he pulled him over. The eff bombs start to flow and the accusations of him being a racist soon follow. So the drunk dude tries to reach through the window and punch my nephew. The accusations fly that my nephew only pulled him over because he was black. My nephew tells the drunken moron this bit of wisdom. Until I walked up to your car your tinted windows made it impossible for me to see who was in your car. In case you didn't know, not a lot of white boys drive down Hudson Ave at this time of night. My nephew, the knuckle dragger that he was called the guys wife. He let her park is car off the road the knuckle dragger he was then followed them home and did not arrest his drunk ass. That is what knuckle dragging police officers do. They have no sense of humanity at all.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:13 pmOhh I quite agree that it's an enormous problem.a fan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:39 pmI care. But when you have a freaking police union freaking out over mandates-----don't you realize that you can't push any harder? These are public servants who are used to seeing death. If they're so far gone that they won't take an FDA approved vaccine that they know full well will keep them out of the ER?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:07 pm Others may add to these, but seems to me that we really should 'care' about getting everyone vaccinated and, thus, reducing unnecessary hospitalizations and medical system stress.
That's it mate, game over. Reason won't work on these people. It sucks, but here we are, paying the price for the power of the internet.
If I wanted to really say something dumb, I'd say we've been looking for a way to wash many of these knuckle draggers out of the police force, maybe this is the way? Screw the unions, they're the problem to begin with...
ugh, we need trained, good police.
I do say, let'em sue. Charge those unwilling to get vaccinated for the increased risk, provide an option for weekly testing, mandatory masks.
Please read with a little more effort at comprehension what I wrote, including the opening phrase "If I wanted to say something dumb"...
But ok, yes, there are indeed some, indeed too many, "knuckle dragger" cops...racists, sexists, numbskulls...fact. And also fact, the police unions in many/most areas have protected them from being canned when all of us would have been better off with them off the force.
I then said, "ugh, we need trained, good police."
Try to change the subject in your usual personally affronted way, but that's what I wrote.
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Actually I am indeed for health insurance for all including a public option, means tested. However,, I would strongly incentivize the behaviors that we know reduce risk of high healthcare costs, rewarding those who participate actively with lower premiums than those who do not, while making such efforts highly affordable for all, or if necessary free.kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:05 pmBut, but but...health insurance for all!runrussellrun wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:09 amas should, their cell phone usage on social mediaSCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:26 pmIt's been said by a few on the Covid thread, and is worthy of duplicating here, too.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:07 pm I'm clearly not as cool with all these hospitalizations of unvaccinated folks as some of you seem.
Putting aside whether we 'care' about these folks who make a 'decision' not to get vaccinated (as opposed to those who actually shouldn't for a medical reason), let's consider other 'costs':
1) while Delta says hospitalizations have cost them $50k per, another study says $20k (plus outpatient costs, so somewhere in excess of $20k). The bulk of those costs flow through to us as they don't get borne by the actual patient or their family. That study estimated $5.7B already in those costs in US alone.
2) When hospitals and their staffs get stretched to the breaking point, stressed, they lose effectiveness on all the other sorts of medical issues that all the rest of us are bound to have, either ourselves or those we do care about. Whether due to actual capacity as is happening in some hospitals or because staffs make errors or people postpone preventive care, there's a very real cost.
Others may add to these, but seems to me that we really should 'care' about getting everyone vaccinated and, thus, reducing unnecessary hospitalizations and medical system stress.
Vaccination status should be added to the very short list of behavior related questions on a person's health insurance application.
And vaccination compliance would be a rewarded behavior, penalized for non-compliance.
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Most insurance companies love risk.SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:41 pmWhat part of this are you not getting?kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:25 pm Agree. Make insurance for those who cant get it on their own, more expensive.
And PS: Tax the rich.
Even Medicare covered people pay.
You want insurance coverage at the lowest price point? Don’t smoke and get your vaccines.
And yes, the wealthy can, and should, do more.
Glad some of you are "pushing" for Biden and his administration of "approve" the remaining EMERGENCY vaccines..........wonder if trump did that, just to get the EMERGENCY status.
Wonder what insurance companies think of you all taking an UN- approved drug. as "risk free" ?
When I answered "yes" for a life insurance question about flying..........somehow, the cost went way, way up.
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Done strike did in fact kill 10 civilians and children: https://www.instagram.com/p/CT70jcXh7xI/
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“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
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Re: The Biden - Harris Era.
That's the playbook from the OB era. And Carrie Matheson in season 4 and 5 of Homeland.youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:53 pm Done strike did in fact kill 10 civilians and children: https://www.instagram.com/p/CT70jcXh7xI/
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Re: The Biden - Harris Era.
Not a TV guy, no clue what you are talking about.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:00 pmThat's the playbook from the OB era. And Carrie Matheson in season 4 and 5 of Homeland.youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:53 pm Done strike did in fact kill 10 civilians and children: https://www.instagram.com/p/CT70jcXh7xI/
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
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Re: The Biden - Harris Era.
OB referring to Obama’s use of drones. OB, or I guess I could’ve gone BOyouthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:02 pmNot a TV guy, no clue what you are talking about.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:00 pmThat's the playbook from the OB era. And Carrie Matheson in season 4 and 5 of Homeland.youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:53 pm Done strike did in fact kill 10 civilians and children: https://www.instagram.com/p/CT70jcXh7xI/
Homeland is a show that went off the rails quick after a great first season (the scene where a military guy POW has been dedicated and defiles his wife when he’s back subjugating her like they presumably do over there is awful...and hot, the wife is a half italian half Brazilian smokeshow). But it’s Claire Danes as CIA and she becomes known as the Drone Queen.
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I am going to get a 4.0 in damage.
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I am going to get a 4.0 in damage.
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Re: The Biden - Harris Era.
... they'll get over it, after their election in April / May.
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Re: The Biden - Harris Era.
They should help France build better submarines.lagerhead wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:19 pm https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci ... ce=twitter
France recalls envoys from USAUK.
Re: The Biden - Harris Era.
The Brits love spoiling a soire'e celebrating a French naval victory over the Royal Navy.
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Re: The Biden - Harris Era.
This is the one Damian Lewis violates by putting her on the floor and “shooting at her” when he comes back from his POW stint in the show/. Tasty!youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:02 pmNot a TV guy, no clue what you are talking about.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:00 pmThat's the playbook from the OB era. And Carrie Matheson in season 4 and 5 of Homeland.youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:53 pm Done strike did in fact kill 10 civilians and children: https://www.instagram.com/p/CT70jcXh7xI/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morena_Baccarin
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