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Re: Racism in America- Week 2 of Riots

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:09 pm
by Peter Brown
Brooklyn wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:53 pm Forum right wing delusionals continue to say BLM, Antifa, and the like are causing the violence we've seen on TV these past 2 weeks. As with the old LP forum they post endless lies which they fail to back up with any proof. They would do themselves a big favor it they could actually present some evidence to prove their delusional claims.


Comical...the left won't admit the cancer within. You probably think The Red Brigades was a fairy tale group. Antifa don;t walk around with ID badges that claim membership...you can tell them by their lack of personal hygiene and far left politics. Keith Ellison's son says he loves them.

https://www.themix.net/2020/06/antifa-g ... ot-arrest/

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/ ... n-downtow/

Meidl noted the presence of antifascist or “antifa” demonstrators on Sunday. There were “some antifa” downtown wearing “masks that said antifa,” and a woman with a bullhorn “espousing antifa rhetoric, as well, trying to stir up the crowd,” he said.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... d-oregon-/

Oh also, NY Times writer says looting is not violent:

https://kprcradio.iheart.com/featured/t ... hes-wrong/

Re: Racism in America- Week 2 of Riots

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:25 pm
by old salt

Re: Racism in America? How About Racism on Fanlax?

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:29 pm
by ChairmanOfTheBoard
Brooklyn wrote: Sat May 30, 2020 10:51 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat May 30, 2020 10:40 pm

It was old blue eyes...chairman of the board.
:lol:
sorry what is this referring to brooks???

Re: Racism in America- Week 2 of Riots

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:31 pm
by holmes435
How to change the narrative 101:

Protestors: Forcefully dispersed for Trump's photo op
Media: "Police used tear gas cannisters to disperse crowds"
Police: "Nah, we were using smoke canisters (smoke is an irritant) and pepper balls (tear gas in a paintball)"
Right wingers: "See, look at all the fake media stoking the riots!"

Re: Racism in America- Week 2 of Riots

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:49 pm
by tech37
old salt wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:25 pm Springbreakers ?
:lol: I must laugh at the irony or I'll cry... what country do I live in?

Re: Racism in America- Week 2 of Riots

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:54 pm
by ggait
Comical...the left won't admit the cancer within.
Peter Brown projecting again.

Anyone who says things like this is obviously rotting from the inside out:


“The preliminary autopsy was just released right now, and the results suggest that the deceased died of causes unrelated to the cop's knee.”

“You are wrong here. The cop did not torture the guy 'to death'. He died of other causes,”

Re: Racism in America- Week 2 of Riots

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:54 pm
by cradleandshoot
calourie wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:42 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:51 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:57 am Given the actual ambivalence of the BLM folks they should adopt a more correct moniker. The lives of SOME black folks matter more than others. It all depends on who is doing the killing. :roll:

That's so true.
I would submit, and not particularly respectfully that murder rates are substantially higher in low income ghettos than in the rest of society the world over regardless of the racial or ethnic makeup of those ghettos. Poverty is a prime incentive for the social unrest and resentment and lack of personal accountability that often manifests itself in violence in those areas, further exacerbated when there are few avenues for social mobility, and law enforcement is charged with the duty of keeping the disenfranchised "in their place". America has its own unique issue with racism and ethnic resentment given our own particular history with regard to such institutions as slavery, indigenous genocide, immigration and so on, further complicated by our stated intention of supposedly being interested in "a more perfect union". Dismissing these factors will only leave us in our current state of seeing violent social unrest rear its ugly head with its current alarming predictability along with a disproportionate amount of violent crime in our poorer neighborhoods. We can do better than we are doing, but it will take a increasingly greater will on the part or more and more of us to make this happen.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/219 ... tasha-shaw

This murder of this young black lady is the genesis of my comment. Granted she was brutally beaten to death in the middle of the street before the BLM movement was born. I lived 3 blocks from where this woman was murdered. I use to drive by all the memorials that were left on the the lampost at the corner. The estimate is 50 people witnessed this poor woman's murder. Not a damn one of them ever spoke up about who they knew committed the crime. No snitch... that was the rule in the neighborhood. You watch a black woman beaten to death and stabbed in the middle of the street and everybody is too scared to stand up for justice, because of no snitch. Now all these years later people are concerned that black lives matter. Latasha Shaws life never mattered enough for anybody to come forward and admit what they saw. Black lives matter, not just the black people murdered by the cops. It always ticked me off that all these people kept their mouth shut. The murder of Latasha Shaw is still an open investigation. Maybe somebody will have the gumption to stand of for Latasha Shaw someday :?:

Re: Racism in America- Week 2 of Riots

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:55 pm
by Brooklyn
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:09 pm
Brooklyn wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:53 pm Forum right wing delusionals continue to say BLM, Antifa, and the like are causing the violence we've seen on TV these past 2 weeks. As with the old LP forum they post endless lies which they fail to back up with any proof. They would do themselves a big favor it they could actually present some evidence to prove their delusional claims.


Comical...the left won't admit the cancer within. You probably think The Red Brigades was a fairy tale group. Antifa don;t walk around with ID badges that claim membership...you can tell them by their lack of personal hygiene and far left politics. Keith Ellison's son says he loves them.

https://www.themix.net/2020/06/antifa-g ... ot-arrest/

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/ ... n-downtow/

Meidl noted the presence of antifascist or “antifa” demonstrators on Sunday. There were “some antifa” downtown wearing “masks that said antifa,” and a woman with a bullhorn “espousing antifa rhetoric, as well, trying to stir up the crowd,” he said.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... d-oregon-/

Oh also, NY Times writer says looting is not violent:

https://kprcradio.iheart.com/featured/t ... hes-wrong/


On the one hand you say they don't walk around wearing ID and proclaiming themselves as such. Then on the other hand you say "There were “some antifa” downtown wearing “masks that said antifa,” "and a woman with a bullhorn “espousing antifa rhetoric".

WOW! That's some great "proof" there. How much of that would stand up in court?

By contrast your Tea Baggers, KKK, Three Percenters, Oath Keepers and other radical right wing malcontents have no trouble identifying themselves in public. In fact, your new hero Jacob Pederson even walked around my old neck of the woods in St Paul wearing his police issued gas mask when he was braking windows. By any chance, do you think his wearing a police issued mask was a momentary lapse on his part or was it deliberate?

Re: Racism in America- Week 2 of Riots

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:02 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:50 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:47 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:30 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:21 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:11 pm Marquette rescinds offer for admissions to women’s lax player due to social media posts about the George Floyd death:

https://amp.jsonline.com/amp/5311865002 ... ssion=true
isn't the entire idea to EDUCATE a person like this?

Legally, Marquette made the wrong move with this. Especially with the idiotic press release statement, "all are welcome", just after announcing this young woman is NOT welcome. Do they really think the rest of the world is this stupid?


The above is a very good post.
I would have withdrawn her admission offer just as fast. Same for the Harvard incoming freshmen a couple of years ago who acted like such sexist, foulmouthed jerks to some women in line with them at a pizza parlor during a college visit at which they got drunk... Just happened to be some Harvard women's lax and rugby players...who reported the incident...admissions offers withdrawn.

Admission is a privilege, not a right.

And "Legally", the university has zero problem.

Will it lose them support or interest in attendance among those who think like this girl apparently does? Yup. And that's a business call. Up to them.


I don't disagree with the fact that it's a business call and up to them, but we tend to have this knee-jerk response to 'cancel' folks with zero second chances...
ohh, she'll get plenty of second chances and third chances, just somewhere other than at Marquette...the question is whether her takeaway from this chance, that she blew, will be to actually explore her prejudices and willingness to be hurtful to others and find a new path forward.

Maybe she will, maybe she won't...but that's up to her.

Re: Racism in America- Week 2 of Riots

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:03 pm
by cradleandshoot

Re: Racism in America- Riots Explode Nationwide with Help From Instigators

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:07 pm
by MDlaxfan76
old salt wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:51 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:38 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:30 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:39 pmc) some form of martial law as we go into election season.
Trump is giving the Governors every opportunity to prevent this. Most seem to understand this & are taking the hint.
Which ones do you think are doing anything differently than what they would have done without all the bluster and haranguing, the "hint" as you call it?

It's not as if they weren't already accessing Guard as support. It's not as if any of them are chill with arson and looting.

Seems to me that the ones having the most success in keeping things calm (er) have been those who have embraced the validity of the protests and the underlying roots of the anger. Police chiefs marching with protestors, etc.

You want to see this blow up? Call out the dogs and bull horns, Bull Connor style.
Roll out the tanks and see this country go completely up in flames.
The increase in NG presence in several staes after Trump's blasting Governors on the conference call is not a coincidence.

Trump gave the Governors an ultimatum -- use your law enforcement & National Guard resources to maintain order & protect property, or I'll invoke the Insurrection Act & send in the active duty military to do it.

Trump's is using DC (where he has the additional authority a state Governor holds) as a demonstration project. He's assertively using all Fed law enforcement agencies & the DC NG, while staging active duty Army MP units at Andrews & Ft Belvoir, for contingencies, ...& it's working in DC.
nonsense, they had already made these NG moves and would continue to do so without any pressure from the jerk who is with the 30% who are against the protestors protesting...

If Trump actually had pulled the Insurrection Act card all hell would have broken loose and there would have been a showdown with the military as well. Or at least you'd hope so, right? Esper already said near as much, and that's the political appointee...start working down that chain of command...

Or are you looking for that big military muscular force against American citizens?

Re: Racism in America- Riots Explode Nationwide with Help From Instigators

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:12 pm
by MDlaxfan76
old salt wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:31 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:38 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:30 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:39 pmc) some form of martial law as we go into election season.
Trump is giving the Governors every opportunity to prevent this. Most seem to understand this & are taking the hint.
Seems to me that the ones having the most success in keeping things calm (er) have been those who have embraced the validity of the protests and the underlying roots of the anger. Police chiefs marching with protestors, etc.

You want to see this blow up? Call out the dogs and bull horns, Bull Connor style.
Roll out the tanks and see this country go completely up in flames.
There's plenty of time for the police to take a knee & sing kumbaya with the legit peaceful protesters before the curfew starts.

When the curfew starts, the streets need to be clear, order maintained & property protected.

This is no more restrictive than the covid lockdowns we've been enduring.
We quite agree about the necessity of arresting looters, arsonists, etc.
Arrest them, prosecute them.

And curfews can at least help, though don't expect all peaceful protestors to stand down just because of an arbitrary curfew.

Folks acting peacefully? Better not use force against American citizens protesting or the blow back will be off the charts.

Folks are ticked off big time.

Re: Racism in America- Week 2 of Riots

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:23 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Nigel wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:04 pm
RedFromMI wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:41 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:14 pm The Battle of Lafayette Park & the MSM's walk of shame :
The "pepper balls" are actually eye irritants classified as a kind of tear gas. (According to the CDC website as of this morning at least). Mix that in with the smoke reporters who are experienced in seeing tear gas deployed are going to call it just that...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... LBV5FESQX4
While clearing out the street near St. John’s Episcopal Church on Monday night, authorities shoved protesters down with their shields, fired rubber bullets directly at them, released gas and set off flash-bang shells in the middle of the crowd.

But at a news briefing Wednesday, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany denied that law enforcement officers took some of those actions.

“No tear gas was used and no rubber bullets were used,” McEnany said -- even though footage from the scene shows protesters being shot with rubber bullets. The chemical compounds used by authorities Monday night also fit the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s definition of tear gas.

Some protesters on the street near the White House on Monday threw water bottles, while many simply stood with their arms raised. But McEnany described the largely peaceful crowd as “rioters” and said that authorities “had no other choice than in that moment to act and make sure that they were safe and that the perimeter was pushed back."
The media chose political messaging over factual reporting. And it’s not nitpicking to demand precision on these things from an industry that claims to report accurately. Each falsehood by the media was used in a direction that was hostile to those Americans who don’t share the dominant media position that America is irredeemably evil.

For people who are adamant that the violent riot portion of protests be downplayed or ignored, even pepper balls are an egregious violation. But for those who see how millions of mistruths pile upon each other to create false narratives that always go in the same political direction, facts still matter and are worth fighting for.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/03/af ... identical/
jiminy, they weren't actually wrong in their reporting, though the precision you are asking for is exactly what the media is now reporting as clarification.

The difference between the honest media, which Trump calls lame stream, and propaganda rags is that when a clarification or correction is called for, they actually do so. The propagandist doubles down on the lie.

In this case, the pepper spray and smoke bombs, flash bangs etc had the same effect as tear gas, forcing people to have burning eyes and lungs and to need to flee. The rubber bullets were real, despite the denials.

But note that the propagandists focus on saying 'no tear gas' and 'no rubber bullets' as if either claim is an accurate description of what went down.

It's on film, many, many witnesses.

Re: Racism in America- Week 2 of Riots

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:30 pm
by MDlaxfan76
tech37 wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:49 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:25 pm Springbreakers ?
:lol: I must laugh at the irony or I'll cry... what country do I live in?
Do you mean young people being idiots is news? ;)

I do see that most of these young folks were nevertheless wearing masks re Covid, though hardly everyone unfortunately. And yes, those masks were for the most part not hiding their identities, those were Covid related. There are others though who clearly haven't wanted their identities known...those seem to me to be the ones most obviously up to no good.

Re: Racism in America- Week 2 of Riots

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:34 pm
by Typical Lax Dad

Re: Racism in America- Riots Explode Nationwide with Help From Instigators

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:45 pm
by old salt
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:07 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:51 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:38 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:30 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:39 pmc) some form of martial law as we go into election season.
Trump is giving the Governors every opportunity to prevent this. Most seem to understand this & are taking the hint.
Which ones do you think are doing anything differently than what they would have done without all the bluster and haranguing, the "hint" as you call it?

It's not as if they weren't already accessing Guard as support. It's not as if any of them are chill with arson and looting.

Seems to me that the ones having the most success in keeping things calm (er) have been those who have embraced the validity of the protests and the underlying roots of the anger. Police chiefs marching with protestors, etc.

You want to see this blow up? Call out the dogs and bull horns, Bull Connor style.
Roll out the tanks and see this country go completely up in flames.
The increase in NG presence in several staes after Trump's blasting Governors on the conference call is not a coincidence.

Trump gave the Governors an ultimatum -- use your law enforcement & National Guard resources to maintain order & protect property, or I'll invoke the Insurrection Act & send in the active duty military to do it.

Trump's is using DC (where he has the additional authority a state Governor holds) as a demonstration project. He's assertively using all Fed law enforcement agencies & the DC NG, while staging active duty Army MP units at Andrews & Ft Belvoir, for contingencies, ...& it's working in DC.
nonsense, they had already made these NG moves and would continue to do so without any pressure from the jerk who is with the 30% who are against the protestors protesting...

If Trump actually had pulled the Insurrection Act card all hell would have broken loose and there would have been a showdown with the military as well. Or at least you'd hope so, right? Esper already said near as much, and that's the political appointee...start working down that chain of command...

Or are you looking for that big military muscular force against American citizens?
Are you denying that there was an increase in the deployments of NG troops after Trump berated the Governor's on Mon's video conf to use the NG & threatened to send in active duty military if they did not ?

I'm looking for the Governors & Mayors to do their jobs & use their NG to the fullest extent to maintain order & protect property.
If they do, active duty military will not be needed.

Re: Racism in America- Week 2 of Riots

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:51 pm
by old salt
holmes435 wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:31 pm Media: "Police used tear gas cannisters to disperse crowds"
Police: "Nah, we were using smoke canisters (smoke is an irritant) and pepper balls (tear gas in a paintball)"
Pepper balls use the same irritant as pepper spray, not tear gas. Much less harsh & does not spread as widely.

Re: Racism in America- Week 2 of Riots

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:13 pm
by Brooklyn
A SHORT HISTORY OF U.S. LAW ENFORCEMENT INFILTRATING PROTESTS

https://theintercept.com/2020/06/02/his ... -protests/




WHEN Harry, George, Tom, and Joe showed up at a warehouse outside Philadelphia rented by protesters, organizers were immediately suspicious. The men claimed to be “union carpenters” from the Scranton, Pennsylvania, area who built stages — just the kind of help the protesters needed. They were preparing for the Republican National Convention in 2000, where the party would be nominating George W. Bush. Across the country, allied organizers were planning similar protests for the Democratic National Convention in Los Angeles.

One of the hallmarks of the social justice movement at the time was its puppets. Organizers were coming off successful protests in Seattle in November 1999 against the World Trade Organization, and in Washington, D.C., in April 2000, against the International Monetary Fund and World Bank, and had managed to reshape the politics of globalization. Soaring papier-mache puppets, rolled through the streets on individually constructed floats, projected a festive air, capturing sympathetic media coverage and countering the authorities’ narrative that the protesters were nihilists simply relishing in property destruction.

The four carpenters were good with a hammer, but much about them had protesters wary they were in fact infiltrators. In conversation, “they were not very political or well informed,” recalled Kris Hermes, an organizer, in “Crashing the Party,” his memoir of the affair. They were older and more muscular than most protesters, he wrote, and they insisted on drinking beer while working, despite the organizers’ ban on drinking in the warehouse. In discussions and meetings, they asserted the right of protesters to destroy property and to physically resist arrest. The movement’s intentional lack of hierarchy left organizers with little ability to act on their suspicions of infiltration, even as they were becoming more deft at sussing out such provocateurs.

On August 1, the first full day of the Republican convention, police surrounded the warehouse, known as the “Ministry of Puppetganda,” executed mass arrests, and confiscated the puppets, floats, signs, and other materials to be used in upcoming marches. The police lied, publicly saying that organizers had been planning violent demonstrations and hinting darkly at bomb-making materials being hidden in the warehouse. That roundup presaged other mass arrests of protest leaders throughout the week, followed by beatings inside the jail and even a $1 million bond.

When the warrant for the warehouse raid was unsealed, it finally confirmed that Harry, George, Tom, and Joe had been state troopers assigned to infiltrate the group and produce a pretext for a raid. All of the charges against the puppeteers were eventually dropped, and the saga would eventually cost the city millions in lawsuit settlements (with much of the legal work led by radical attorney Larry Krasner, who is now Philadelphia district attorney).


It is a historical fact, as this episode illustrates, that law enforcement frequently infiltrates progressive political movements using agent provocateurs who urge others to engage in violence. It is also a historical fact that, more rarely, such provocateurs commit acts of violence themselves.

The media pays little attention to such infiltrators, for a variety of reasons.





more .............




And, like their Nazi predecessors, they like to attribute their crimes to others. In the old days it was "Blame the Jews". Today it's Blame Liberals, Blame Antifa, Blame BLM, blame George Soros. It's a good bet that whenever you see/hear/read anything like that it is a right winger projecting his/her criminal violence and subversion unto someone else.

Re: Racism in America- Week 2 of Riots

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:29 pm
by Typical Lax Dad


When you get clarity, this is what happens


Re: Racism in America- Week 2 of Riots

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:01 pm
by Nigel
tech37 wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:49 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:25 pm Springbreakers ?
:lol: I must laugh at the irony or I'll cry... what country do I live in?

"I'm out here for the dough"
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