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rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:43 am Maryland. 5-0 High Point, Loyola, Syracuse, Princeton, Notre Dame
Cornell. 4-0 UAlbany, Lehigh, Hobart, Ohio State
Rutgers. 6-0 LIU, Marist, St Johns, Army, Loyola, Stony Brook
Virginia. 5-0 Air Force, High Point, Towson, Syracuse, Richmond
Georgetown. 4-1 Hopkins, Penn, Notre Dame. Mt St Marys. /// L to Princeton
Ohio State. 4-1 Detroit Mercy, Cleveland State, North Carolina, Harvard.  /// L to Cornell
UNC. 5-1 Richmond. Colgate, Brown, Hopkins, Denver. /// L to Ohio State 
Princeton 3-1 Monmouth, Binghamton, Gtown. /// L to Maryland
Penn. 2-1 Duke, Penn State. /// L to GTown
Duke. 7-2 Robert Morris, Vermont, Manhattan, Delaware, High Point, Richmond. /// L to Penn, Jacksonville

10stone5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:07 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:43 am Maryland. 5-0 High Point, Loyola, Syracuse, Princeton, Notre Dame
Cornell. 4-0 UAlbany, Lehigh, Hobart, Ohio State
Rutgers. 6-0 LIU, Marist, St Johns, Army, Loyola, Stony Brook
Virginia. 5-0 Air Force, High Point, Towson, Syracuse, Richmond
Georgetown. 4-1 Hopkins, Penn, Notre Dame. Mt St Marys. /// L to Princeton
Ohio State. 4-1 Detroit Mercy, Cleveland State, North Carolina, Harvard.  /// L to Cornell
UNC. 5-1 Richmond. Colgate, Brown, Hopkins, Denver. /// L to Ohio State 
Princeton 3-1 Monmouth, Binghamton, Gtown. /// L to Maryland
Penn. 2-1 Duke, Penn State. /// L to GTown
Duke. 7-2 Robert Morris, Vermont, Manhattan, Delaware, High Point, Richmond. /// L to Penn, Jacksonville

H377 of a layout.
Pretty obvious which have the better resumes.

HGK wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:39 am Wheels -
Georgetown beats Penn in Philly but loses at home to Princeton. Logically, it would seem to me that Princeton should be ahead of Georgetown and Georgetown ahead of Penn. Yet it's like the head-to-head FROM SATURDAY doesn't seem to matter, so Georgetown stays ahead of Princeton.


I am a Georgetown backer but in my poll i have Princeton ahead of Hoyas. They won head to head and they hung in well with my #1 Maryland. I am more of an eye test type voter but either way I think Princeton should be ahead Curreri IMO

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:16 am

10stone5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:07 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:43 am Maryland. 5-0 High Point, Loyola, Syracuse, Princeton, Notre Dame
Cornell. 4-0 UAlbany, Lehigh, Hobart, Ohio State
Rutgers. 6-0 LIU, Marist, St Johns, Army, Loyola, Stony Brook
Virginia. 5-0 Air Force, High Point, Towson, Syracuse, Richmond
Georgetown. 4-1 Hopkins, Penn, Notre Dame. Mt St Marys. /// L to Princeton
Ohio State. 4-1 Detroit Mercy, Cleveland State, North Carolina, Harvard.  /// L to Cornell
UNC. 5-1 Richmond. Colgate, Brown, Hopkins, Denver. /// L to Ohio State 
Princeton 3-1 Monmouth, Binghamton, Gtown. /// L to Maryland
Penn. 2-1 Duke, Penn State. /// L to GTown
Duke. 7-2 Robert Morris, Vermont, Manhattan, Delaware, High Point, Richmond. /// L to Penn, Jacksonville

H377 of a layout.
Pretty obvious which have the better resumes.

I'd move Princeton ahead of Georgetown and everyone else down a notch. Things may very well shake out differently as the season progresses, but simply on what has been played, I don't see any reason to rank Georgetown ahead of the team they just lost to. And until someone else beats Princeton other than the #1, well...

Otherwise, that list makes sense...at this point.
That said, I think UVA is likely to end up higher than Cornell.

Time will tell.

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:48 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:16 am

10stone5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:07 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:43 am Maryland. 5-0 High Point, Loyola, Syracuse, Princeton, Notre Dame
Cornell. 4-0 UAlbany, Lehigh, Hobart, Ohio State
Rutgers. 6-0 LIU, Marist, St Johns, Army, Loyola, Stony Brook
Virginia. 5-0 Air Force, High Point, Towson, Syracuse, Richmond
Georgetown. 4-1 Hopkins, Penn, Notre Dame. Mt St Marys. /// L to Princeton
Ohio State. 4-1 Detroit Mercy, Cleveland State, North Carolina, Harvard.  /// L to Cornell
UNC. 5-1 Richmond. Colgate, Brown, Hopkins, Denver. /// L to Ohio State 
Princeton 3-1 Monmouth, Binghamton, Gtown. /// L to Maryland
Penn. 2-1 Duke, Penn State. /// L to GTown
Duke. 7-2 Robert Morris, Vermont, Manhattan, Delaware, High Point, Richmond. /// L to Penn, Jacksonville

H377 of a layout.
Pretty obvious which have the better resumes.

I'd move Princeton ahead of Georgetown and everyone else down a notch. Things may very well shake out differently as the season progresses, but simply on what has been played, I don't see any reason to rank Georgetown ahead of the team they just lost to. And until someone else beats Princeton other than the #1, well...

Otherwise, that list makes sense...at this point.
That said, I think UVA is likely to end up higher than Cornell.

Time will tell.

I can see that viewpoint. I'm sure my own bias plays into it, BUT ... even though Princeton beat Gtown, my ranking is based on overall resume. Gtowns wins are stronger overall at this point. Head to head only comes into account as a tie-breaker.

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:43 am Maryland. 5-0 High Point, Loyola, Syracuse, Princeton, Notre Dame
Cornell. 4-0 UAlbany, Lehigh, Hobart, Ohio State
Rutgers. 6-0 LIU, Marist, St Johns, Army, Loyola, Stony Brook
Virginia. 5-0 Air Force, High Point, Towson, Syracuse, Richmond
Georgetown. 4-1 Hopkins, Penn, Notre Dame. Mt St Marys. /// L to Princeton
Ohio State. 4-1 Detroit Mercy, Cleveland State, North Carolina, Harvard.  /// L to Cornell
UNC. 5-1 Richmond. Colgate, Brown, Hopkins, Denver. /// L to Ohio State 
Princeton 3-1 Monmouth, Binghamton, Gtown. /// L to Maryland
Penn. 2-1 Duke, Penn State. /// L to GTown
Duke. 7-2 Robert Morris, Vermont, Manhattan, Delaware, High Point, Richmond. /// L to Penn, Jacksonville
Jacksonville. 5-2 Duke, Mercer, Marquette, Denver, Air Force. /// L to Hopkins, Utah
Utah 3-1 Vermont, Marquette, Jacksonville. /// L to Denver
Yale. 2-1 Villanova, UMass. L to Penn State
Michigan 6-0 Bellarmine, Detroit Mercy, Holy cross, Canisus, Cleveland State, Delaware
Brown 4-1 Quinn, Vermont, Villanova, Providence. /// L to UNC
Army. 5-1 UMASS, Sienna, NJIT, Syracuse, Holy Cross. /// L to Rutgers
Boston U. 4-0 Merrimack, Bryant, UMASS, Colgate
Stony brook. 4-1 Fairfield, Robert Morris, St Johns, LIU.  /// L to Rutgers
Notre Dame. 1-2 Detroit Mercy, L to Georgetown, Maryland
Delaware. 4-2 NJIT, MSM, St Josephs, Monmouth. /// L to Duke, Michigan
Bucknell. 5-0 Mercer, Robert Morris, St Johns, Marist, Binghamton. 
St. Joseph's St. Bon, Penn State, Providence, Monmouth. /// L to Delaware
Denver. 3-3 Utah, Air Force, Cansius. /// L to Duke, Jacksonville, UNC
Hopkins. 3-3 Jacksonville, Towson, Loyola. /// L to UNC, Georgetown, Virginia
Villanova 3-2 Penn State, Fairfield, Hofstra. /// L to Yale, Brown
Richmond 3-2 Marist, Towson, St Bon. /// L to UNC, Duke
Harvard 2-1 NJIT, Fairfield. /// L to Ohio State
Merrimack 3-2 Darmouth, Holy Cross, UMAss Lowell. /// L to Hofstra, Boston U
Towson 3-3 Mt St Marys, Loyola, UMBC /// L to Hopkins, Virginia, Richmond
Drexel 2-2 Albany, LIU /// L to UMBC, Lafayette
Penn State. 2-4 Lafayette, Yale. /// L to Villanova, Vermont, St Josephs, Penn
Syracuse. 2-3 Holy Cross, Hobart. /// L to Maryland, Virginia, Army
Hobart. 2-2 Canisius, Lehigh. /// L to Cornell, Syracuse
Lehigh 2-2 Navy, NJIT. /// L to Hobart, Cornell
High Point 3-3 Colgate, Navy, Bellarmine. /// L to Maryland, Virginia, Duke
Vermont 1-3 Penn State. /// L to Duke, Utah, Brown
UMass 1-3. Mass Lowell. /// L to Army, Boston U, Yale

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:48 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:16 am

10stone5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:07 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:43 am Maryland. 5-0 High Point, Loyola, Syracuse, Princeton, Notre Dame
Cornell. 4-0 UAlbany, Lehigh, Hobart, Ohio State
Rutgers. 6-0 LIU, Marist, St Johns, Army, Loyola, Stony Brook
Virginia. 5-0 Air Force, High Point, Towson, Syracuse, Richmond
Georgetown. 4-1 Hopkins, Penn, Notre Dame. Mt St Marys. /// L to Princeton
Ohio State. 4-1 Detroit Mercy, Cleveland State, North Carolina, Harvard.  /// L to Cornell
UNC. 5-1 Richmond. Colgate, Brown, Hopkins, Denver. /// L to Ohio State 
Princeton 3-1 Monmouth, Binghamton, Gtown. /// L to Maryland
Penn. 2-1 Duke, Penn State. /// L to GTown
Duke. 7-2 Robert Morris, Vermont, Manhattan, Delaware, High Point, Richmond. /// L to Penn, Jacksonville

H377 of a layout.
Pretty obvious which have the better resumes.

I'd move Princeton ahead of Georgetown and everyone else down a notch. Things may very well shake out differently as the season progresses, but simply on what has been played, I don't see any reason to rank Georgetown ahead of the team they just lost to. And until someone else beats Princeton other than the #1, well...

Otherwise, that list makes sense...at this point.
That said, I think UVA is likely to end up higher than Cornell.

Time will tell.

I can see that viewpoint. I'm sure my own bias plays into it, BUT ... even though Princeton beat Gtown, my ranking is based on overall resume. Gtowns wins are stronger overall at this point. Head to head only comes into account as a tie-breaker.

blue angels wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 12:00 pm

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:43 am Maryland. 5-0 High Point, Loyola, Syracuse, Princeton, Notre Dame
Cornell. 4-0 UAlbany, Lehigh, Hobart, Ohio State
Rutgers. 6-0 LIU, Marist, St Johns, Army, Loyola, Stony Brook
Virginia. 5-0 Air Force, High Point, Towson, Syracuse, Richmond
Georgetown. 4-1 Hopkins, Penn, Notre Dame. Mt St Marys. /// L to Princeton
Ohio State. 4-1 Detroit Mercy, Cleveland State, North Carolina, Harvard.  /// L to Cornell
UNC. 5-1 Richmond. Colgate, Brown, Hopkins, Denver. /// L to Ohio State 
Princeton 3-1 Monmouth, Binghamton, Gtown. /// L to Maryland
Penn. 2-1 Duke, Penn State. /// L to GTown
Duke. 7-2 Robert Morris, Vermont, Manhattan, Delaware, High Point, Richmond. /// L to Penn, Jacksonville
Jacksonville. 5-2 Duke, Mercer, Marquette, Denver, Air Force. /// L to Hopkins, Utah
Utah 3-1 Vermont, Marquette, Jacksonville. /// L to Denver
Yale. 2-1 Villanova, UMass. L to Penn State
Michigan 6-0 Bellarmine, Detroit Mercy, Holy cross, Canisus, Cleveland State, Delaware
Brown 4-1 Quinn, Vermont, Villanova, Providence. /// L to UNC
Army. 5-1 UMASS, Sienna, NJIT, Syracuse, Holy Cross. /// L to Rutgers
Boston U. 4-0 Merrimack, Bryant, UMASS, Colgate
Stony brook. 4-1 Fairfield, Robert Morris, St Johns, LIU.  /// L to Rutgers
Notre Dame. 1-2 Detroit Mercy, L to Georgetown, Maryland
Delaware. 4-2 NJIT, MSM, St Josephs, Monmouth. /// L to Duke, Michigan
Bucknell. 5-0 Mercer, Robert Morris, St Johns, Marist, Binghamton. 
St. Joseph's St. Bon, Penn State, Providence, Monmouth. /// L to Delaware
Denver. 3-3 Utah, Air Force, Cansius. /// L to Duke, Jacksonville, UNC
Hopkins. 3-3 Jacksonville, Towson, Loyola. /// L to UNC, Georgetown, Virginia
Villanova 3-2 Penn State, Fairfield, Hofstra. /// L to Yale, Brown
Richmond 3-2 Marist, Towson, St Bon. /// L to UNC, Duke
Harvard 2-1 NJIT, Fairfield. /// L to Ohio State
Merrimack 3-2 Darmouth, Holy Cross, UMAss Lowell. /// L to Hofstra, Boston U
Towson 3-3 Mt St Marys, Loyola, UMBC /// L to Hopkins, Virginia, Richmond
Drexel 2-2 Albany, LIU /// L to UMBC, Lafayette
Penn State. 2-4 Lafayette, Yale. /// L to Villanova, Vermont, St Josephs, Penn
Syracuse. 2-3 Holy Cross, Hobart. /// L to Maryland, Virginia, Army
Hobart. 2-2 Canisius, Lehigh. /// L to Cornell, Syracuse
Lehigh 2-2 Navy, NJIT. /// L to Hobart, Cornell
High Point 3-3 Colgate, Navy, Bellarmine. /// L to Maryland, Virginia, Duke
Vermont 1-3 Penn State. /// L to Duke, Utah, Brown
UMass 1-3. Mass Lowell. /// L to Army, Boston U, Yale

No need to get exorcised over meaningless polls but Virginia played Hopkins last Saturday. Not Richmond if that is what the computer is using.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 12:01 pm

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:48 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:16 am

10stone5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:07 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:43 am Maryland. 5-0 High Point, Loyola, Syracuse, Princeton, Notre Dame
Cornell. 4-0 UAlbany, Lehigh, Hobart, Ohio State
Rutgers. 6-0 LIU, Marist, St Johns, Army, Loyola, Stony Brook
Virginia. 5-0 Air Force, High Point, Towson, Syracuse, Richmond
Georgetown. 4-1 Hopkins, Penn, Notre Dame. Mt St Marys. /// L to Princeton
Ohio State. 4-1 Detroit Mercy, Cleveland State, North Carolina, Harvard.  /// L to Cornell
UNC. 5-1 Richmond. Colgate, Brown, Hopkins, Denver. /// L to Ohio State 
Princeton 3-1 Monmouth, Binghamton, Gtown. /// L to Maryland
Penn. 2-1 Duke, Penn State. /// L to GTown
Duke. 7-2 Robert Morris, Vermont, Manhattan, Delaware, High Point, Richmond. /// L to Penn, Jacksonville

H377 of a layout.
Pretty obvious which have the better resumes.

I'd move Princeton ahead of Georgetown and everyone else down a notch. Things may very well shake out differently as the season progresses, but simply on what has been played, I don't see any reason to rank Georgetown ahead of the team they just lost to. And until someone else beats Princeton other than the #1, well...

Otherwise, that list makes sense...at this point.
That said, I think UVA is likely to end up higher than Cornell.

Time will tell.

I can see that viewpoint. I'm sure my own bias plays into it, BUT ... even though Princeton beat Gtown, my ranking is based on overall resume. Gtowns wins are stronger overall at this point. Head to head only comes into account as a tie-breaker.

mmmm, I see the general argument, but when we're talking about ranking the very top group, seems to me that beating the #5 is way more telling than beating the #9 and others outside of the top 10. And being beaten by the #1 counts less against than being beaten by the #8.

Again, all this shakes out with many more games and who knows where it all lands. I'm just looking at where we are now and PU beat Georgetown.

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 1:14 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 12:01 pm

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:48 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:16 am

10stone5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:07 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:43 am Maryland. 5-0 High Point, Loyola, Syracuse, Princeton, Notre Dame
Cornell. 4-0 UAlbany, Lehigh, Hobart, Ohio State
Rutgers. 6-0 LIU, Marist, St Johns, Army, Loyola, Stony Brook
Virginia. 5-0 Air Force, High Point, Towson, Syracuse, Richmond
Georgetown. 4-1 Hopkins, Penn, Notre Dame. Mt St Marys. /// L to Princeton
Ohio State. 4-1 Detroit Mercy, Cleveland State, North Carolina, Harvard.  /// L to Cornell
UNC. 5-1 Richmond. Colgate, Brown, Hopkins, Denver. /// L to Ohio State 
Princeton 3-1 Monmouth, Binghamton, Gtown. /// L to Maryland
Penn. 2-1 Duke, Penn State. /// L to GTown
Duke. 7-2 Robert Morris, Vermont, Manhattan, Delaware, High Point, Richmond. /// L to Penn, Jacksonville

H377 of a layout.
Pretty obvious which have the better resumes.

I'd move Princeton ahead of Georgetown and everyone else down a notch. Things may very well shake out differently as the season progresses, but simply on what has been played, I don't see any reason to rank Georgetown ahead of the team they just lost to. And until someone else beats Princeton other than the #1, well...

Otherwise, that list makes sense...at this point.
That said, I think UVA is likely to end up higher than Cornell.

Time will tell.

I can see that viewpoint. I'm sure my own bias plays into it, BUT ... even though Princeton beat Gtown, my ranking is based on overall resume. Gtowns wins are stronger overall at this point. Head to head only comes into account as a tie-breaker.

mmmm, I see the general argument, but when we're talking about ranking the very top group, seems to me that beating the #5 is way more telling than beating the #9 and others outside of the top 10. And being beaten by the #1 counts less against than being beaten by the #8.

Again, all this shakes out with many more games and who knows where it all lands. I'm just looking at where we are now and PU beat Georgetown.

Almost any team in Div 1 can beat any other team on any given Saturday. Winning one game does not (necessarily) make a team "better" when looking at the overall picture. Princetons other wins are Monmouth and Binghamton. I might use losses to help with tiebreakers, but they generally count for very little, other than the number of. They will have the chance to prove they are better than Gtown generally, but they don't have the wins yet.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 1:23 pm

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 1:14 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 12:01 pm

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:48 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:16 am

10stone5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:07 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:43 am Maryland. 5-0 High Point, Loyola, Syracuse, Princeton, Notre Dame
Cornell. 4-0 UAlbany, Lehigh, Hobart, Ohio State
Rutgers. 6-0 LIU, Marist, St Johns, Army, Loyola, Stony Brook
Virginia. 5-0 Air Force, High Point, Towson, Syracuse, Richmond
Georgetown. 4-1 Hopkins, Penn, Notre Dame. Mt St Marys. /// L to Princeton
Ohio State. 4-1 Detroit Mercy, Cleveland State, North Carolina, Harvard.  /// L to Cornell
UNC. 5-1 Richmond. Colgate, Brown, Hopkins, Denver. /// L to Ohio State 
Princeton 3-1 Monmouth, Binghamton, Gtown. /// L to Maryland
Penn. 2-1 Duke, Penn State. /// L to GTown
Duke. 7-2 Robert Morris, Vermont, Manhattan, Delaware, High Point, Richmond. /// L to Penn, Jacksonville

H377 of a layout.
Pretty obvious which have the better resumes.

I'd move Princeton ahead of Georgetown and everyone else down a notch. Things may very well shake out differently as the season progresses, but simply on what has been played, I don't see any reason to rank Georgetown ahead of the team they just lost to. And until someone else beats Princeton other than the #1, well...

Otherwise, that list makes sense...at this point.
That said, I think UVA is likely to end up higher than Cornell.

Time will tell.

I can see that viewpoint. I'm sure my own bias plays into it, BUT ... even though Princeton beat Gtown, my ranking is based on overall resume. Gtowns wins are stronger overall at this point. Head to head only comes into account as a tie-breaker.

mmmm, I see the general argument, but when we're talking about ranking the very top group, seems to me that beating the #5 is way more telling than beating the #9 and others outside of the top 10. And being beaten by the #1 counts less against than being beaten by the #8.

Again, all this shakes out with many more games and who knows where it all lands. I'm just looking at where we are now and PU beat Georgetown.

Almost any team in Div 1 can beat any other team on any given Saturday. Winning one game does not (necessarily) make a team "better" when looking at the overall picture. Princetons other wins are Monmouth and Binghamton. I might use losses to help with tiebreakers, but they generally count for very little, other than the number of. They will have the chance to prove they are better than Gtown generally, but they don't have the wins yet.

Just my opinion, based on so little data. Indeed, I think that heightens the importance of direct match-up. Georgetown, IMO, can "prove" they are better than Princeton, but not based on this weekend.

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:43 am Maryland. 5-0 High Point, Loyola, Syracuse, Princeton, Notre Dame
Cornell. 4-0 UAlbany, Lehigh, Hobart, Ohio State
Rutgers. 6-0 LIU, Marist, St Johns, Army, Loyola, Stony Brook
Virginia. 5-0 Air Force, High Point, Towson, Syracuse, Hopkins
Georgetown. 4-1 Hopkins, Penn, Notre Dame. Mt St Marys. /// L to Princeton
Ohio State. 4-1 Detroit Mercy, Cleveland State, North Carolina, Harvard.  /// L to Cornell
UNC. 5-1 Richmond. Colgate, Brown, Hopkins, Denver. /// L to Ohio State 
Princeton 3-1 Monmouth, Binghamton, Gtown. /// L to Maryland
Penn. 2-1 Duke, Penn State. /// L to GTown
Duke. 7-2 Robert Morris, Vermont, Manhattan, Delaware, High Point, Richmond. /// L to Penn, Jacksonville
Jacksonville. 5-2 Duke, Mercer, Marquette, Denver, Air Force. /// L to Hopkins, Utah
Utah 3-1 Vermont, Marquette, Jacksonville. /// L to Denver
Yale. 2-1 Villanova, UMass. L to Penn State
Michigan 6-0 Bellarmine, Detroit Mercy, Holy cross, Canisus, Cleveland State, Delaware
Brown 4-1 Quinn, Vermont, Villanova, Providence. /// L to UNC
Army. 5-1 UMASS, Sienna, NJIT, Syracuse, Holy Cross. /// L to Rutgers
Boston U. 4-0 Merrimack, Bryant, UMASS, Colgate
Stony brook. 4-1 Fairfield, Robert Morris, St Johns, LIU.  /// L to Rutgers
Notre Dame. 1-2 Detroit Mercy, L to Georgetown, Maryland
Delaware. 4-2 NJIT, MSM, St Josephs, Monmouth. /// L to Duke, Michigan
Bucknell. 5-0 Mercer, Robert Morris, St Johns, Marist, Binghamton. 
St. Joseph's St. Bon, Penn State, Providence, Monmouth. /// L to Delaware
Denver. 3-3 Utah, Air Force, Cansius. /// L to Duke, Jacksonville, UNC
Hopkins. 3-3 Jacksonville, Towson, Loyola. /// L to UNC, Georgetown, Virginia
Villanova 3-2 Penn State, Fairfield, Hofstra. /// L to Yale, Brown
Richmond 3-2 Marist, Towson, St Bon. /// L to UNC, Duke
Harvard 2-1 NJIT, Fairfield. /// L to Ohio State
Merrimack 3-2 Darmouth, Holy Cross, UMAss Lowell. /// L to Hofstra, Boston U
Towson 3-3 Mt St Marys, Loyola, UMBC /// L to Hopkins, Virginia, Richmond
Drexel 2-2 Albany, LIU /// L to UMBC, Lafayette
Penn State. 2-4 Lafayette, Yale. /// L to Villanova, Vermont, St Josephs, Penn
Syracuse. 2-3 Holy Cross, Hobart. /// L to Maryland, Virginia, Army
Hobart. 2-2 Canisius, Lehigh. /// L to Cornell, Syracuse
Lehigh 2-2 Navy, NJIT. /// L to Hobart, Cornell
High Point 3-3 Colgate, Navy, Bellarmine. /// L to Maryland, Virginia, Duke
Vermont 1-3 Penn State. /// L to Duke, Utah, Brown
UMass 1-3. Mass Lowell. /// L to Army, Boston U, Yale

GSP wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 2:10 pm UVA at #4 is just plain silly. You qualify with the phrase, "With so little data." With inadequate data the ranking itself is farcical, except that you eliminate from your "data," both score differentials AND the "data" that could be gleaned by actually watching the games and the skill of the players.

Garbage in, Garbage out.

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 1:28 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 1:23 pm

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 1:14 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 12:01 pm

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:48 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:16 am

10stone5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:07 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:43 am Maryland. 5-0 High Point, Loyola, Syracuse, Princeton, Notre Dame
Cornell. 4-0 UAlbany, Lehigh, Hobart, Ohio State
Rutgers. 6-0 LIU, Marist, St Johns, Army, Loyola, Stony Brook
Virginia. 5-0 Air Force, High Point, Towson, Syracuse, Richmond
Georgetown. 4-1 Hopkins, Penn, Notre Dame. Mt St Marys. /// L to Princeton
Ohio State. 4-1 Detroit Mercy, Cleveland State, North Carolina, Harvard.  /// L to Cornell
UNC. 5-1 Richmond. Colgate, Brown, Hopkins, Denver. /// L to Ohio State 
Princeton 3-1 Monmouth, Binghamton, Gtown. /// L to Maryland
Penn. 2-1 Duke, Penn State. /// L to GTown
Duke. 7-2 Robert Morris, Vermont, Manhattan, Delaware, High Point, Richmond. /// L to Penn, Jacksonville

H377 of a layout.
Pretty obvious which have the better resumes.

I'd move Princeton ahead of Georgetown and everyone else down a notch. Things may very well shake out differently as the season progresses, but simply on what has been played, I don't see any reason to rank Georgetown ahead of the team they just lost to. And until someone else beats Princeton other than the #1, well...

Otherwise, that list makes sense...at this point.
That said, I think UVA is likely to end up higher than Cornell.

Time will tell.

I can see that viewpoint. I'm sure my own bias plays into it, BUT ... even though Princeton beat Gtown, my ranking is based on overall resume. Gtowns wins are stronger overall at this point. Head to head only comes into account as a tie-breaker.

mmmm, I see the general argument, but when we're talking about ranking the very top group, seems to me that beating the #5 is way more telling than beating the #9 and others outside of the top 10. And being beaten by the #1 counts less against than being beaten by the #8.

Again, all this shakes out with many more games and who knows where it all lands. I'm just looking at where we are now and PU beat Georgetown.

Almost any team in Div 1 can beat any other team on any given Saturday. Winning one game does not (necessarily) make a team "better" when looking at the overall picture. Princetons other wins are Monmouth and Binghamton. I might use losses to help with tiebreakers, but they generally count for very little, other than the number of. They will have the chance to prove they are better than Gtown generally, but they don't have the wins yet.

Just my opinion, based on so little data. Indeed, I think that heightens the importance of direct match-up. Georgetown, IMO, can "prove" they are better than Princeton, but not based on this weekend.

Absolutely. In the end, it's still subjective. Just further explaining my own subjective rationale.

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 1:28 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 1:23 pm

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 1:14 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 12:01 pm

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:48 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:16 am

10stone5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:07 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:43 am Maryland. 5-0 High Point, Loyola, Syracuse, Princeton, Notre Dame
Cornell. 4-0 UAlbany, Lehigh, Hobart, Ohio State
Rutgers. 6-0 LIU, Marist, St Johns, Army, Loyola, Stony Brook
Virginia. 5-0 Air Force, High Point, Towson, Syracuse, Richmond
Georgetown. 4-1 Hopkins, Penn, Notre Dame. Mt St Marys. /// L to Princeton
Ohio State. 4-1 Detroit Mercy, Cleveland State, North Carolina, Harvard.  /// L to Cornell
UNC. 5-1 Richmond. Colgate, Brown, Hopkins, Denver. /// L to Ohio State 
Princeton 3-1 Monmouth, Binghamton, Gtown. /// L to Maryland
Penn. 2-1 Duke, Penn State. /// L to GTown
Duke. 7-2 Robert Morris, Vermont, Manhattan, Delaware, High Point, Richmond. /// L to Penn, Jacksonville

H377 of a layout.
Pretty obvious which have the better resumes.

I'd move Princeton ahead of Georgetown and everyone else down a notch. Things may very well shake out differently as the season progresses, but simply on what has been played, I don't see any reason to rank Georgetown ahead of the team they just lost to. And until someone else beats Princeton other than the #1, well...

Otherwise, that list makes sense...at this point.
That said, I think UVA is likely to end up higher than Cornell.

Time will tell.

I can see that viewpoint. I'm sure my own bias plays into it, BUT ... even though Princeton beat Gtown, my ranking is based on overall resume. Gtowns wins are stronger overall at this point. Head to head only comes into account as a tie-breaker.

mmmm, I see the general argument, but when we're talking about ranking the very top group, seems to me that beating the #5 is way more telling than beating the #9 and others outside of the top 10. And being beaten by the #1 counts less against than being beaten by the #8.

Again, all this shakes out with many more games and who knows where it all lands. I'm just looking at where we are now and PU beat Georgetown.

Almost any team in Div 1 can beat any other team on any given Saturday. Winning one game does not (necessarily) make a team "better" when looking at the overall picture. Princetons other wins are Monmouth and Binghamton. I might use losses to help with tiebreakers, but they generally count for very little, other than the number of. They will have the chance to prove they are better than Gtown generally, but they don't have the wins yet.

Just my opinion, based on so little data. Indeed, I think that heightens the importance of direct match-up. Georgetown, IMO, can "prove" they are better than Princeton, but not based on this weekend.

Absolutely. In the end, it's still subjective. Just further explaining my own subjective rationale.