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cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:17 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:33 pm That was one of those moments where you hope that that was CGI from the Onion, and Hillary didn't really do that. I can't imagine what Putin was thinking. Or Obama, when he saw that.....instant facepalm.

That said, Trump has had no better luck with Putin.

"That said, Trump has had no better luck with Putin." I wonder if trump has considered good old American graft and bribery. That usually works for most politicians. Go with what you know best.

NRA

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:41 pm OK. Now a question for you Cold Warrior Russia Hawks ? Tell us your strategy for Ukraine.

Military strategy? Only Military strategy, right? Asked and answered. Same policy I thought we should have for Iraq, now the Saudis, and any other countries on Earth:

You ask the question: do we have a formal defensive treaty for said nation, ratified by the Senate (which seems to be important to Old Salt)?

If the answer is "no", then our military response should be: nothing. It's not our problem. It's the UN's problem, if any.

No troops. No arms sales. No "training of soldiers". Nothing.


Pretty simple plan. And easy as hell to follow from decade to decade.

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:10 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:41 pm OK. Now a question for you Cold Warrior Russia Hawks ? Tell us your strategy for Ukraine.

Military strategy? Only Military strategy, right? Asked and answered. Same policy I thought we should have for Iraq, now the Saudis, and any other countries on Earth:

You ask the question: do we have a formal defensive treaty for said nation, ratified by the Senate (which seems to be important to Old Salt)?

If the answer is "no", then our military response should be: nothing. It's not our problem. It's the UN's problem, if any.

No troops. No arms sales. No "training of soldiers". Nothing.

Pretty simple plan. And easy as hell to follow from decade to decade.

OK. So you feel no obligation to help Ukraine defend themselves from Russia ?
You're just p.o.'d at Putin ?
Does your animus extend to the Russian people ?

Trump’s comments came a day after he appeared to confirm that he mentioned Biden and his son, Hunter Biden, in the call with Zelensky. The call is part of the whistleblower’s complaint, according to people familiar with the matter.

... The nonprofit government watchdog group Common Cause also on Monday filed complaints with the Federal Election Commission and the Department of Justice on the matter. The organization accused Trump and Giuliani of illegally soliciting a political contribution from Zelensky and Ukranian officials by allegedly urging them to investigate Biden.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

Attempting to coerce a foreign government into investigating your political opponent is a felony crime. Both Trump and Giuliani have essentially admitted to this crime.

Any continued support of the Criminal in Chief is a betrayal of the rule of law, our democracy, and our nation. Supporting Trump after the revelation of this latest crime is also an act of paramount stupidity and unvarnished hypocrisy.

DocBarrister

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:49 pm OK. So you feel no obligation to help Ukraine defend themselves from Russia ?

How long have you and I been posting about this stuff? You know my feelings on this subject.

How many times has the US gone to war defending someone when we don't have a defense agreement in place. The big ones were Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq. And how did each of those stupid wars work out for us? Not so hot, right? And yet we keep doing it, expecting some magic super neat outcome. How dumb can you get?

And we're doing it again in Saudi Arabia. We've got our fingers crossed, hoping the Mullahs don't hit our troops. In what world is that smart?

So do we have a military obligation to Ukraine? Nope. If we need to defend them, sign a treaty--defense pact--saying as much. Or, make them a member of NATO, which for some reason angers you.

Why in heaven's name would we defend a country when we don't have a defense agreement? Moreover, why would we send our people in harm's way when our allies in the region won't even put sanctions on Putin for invading the Ukraine?

If they don't care, why should we?

Sanctions. You shut Putin down. But we can't do it alone, or it's far less effective.

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:49 pm
You're just p.o.'d at Putin ?
Does your animus extend to the Russian people ?

Same bar applies to every other country. If we REALLY need to defend a country, fine. Put it in writing. Sign a treaty or a defense pact. Simple.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:33 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:29 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:23 pm Tipped my hand on what ? Where's the MSM getting this volume of information, all of a sudden, including about the whistleblower.

Trump administration. I pointed this out months ago.

You think the Trump admin wanted this WB story out ? That's nuts.

I just refuse to buy the Resistance conspiracy theories & the MSM hype on face value. ...e.g. the Prestwick hit job.

So says the individual who bought into the completely fabricated Benghazi “scandal” that shamefully exploited the death of an American ambassador and originated from the delusional hate-filled minds of right-wing bigots, misogynists, racists, and moronic conspiracy theorists.

Needless to mention an absurd controversy over a private email server that looks quaint compared to the very real and serious crimes committed by Donald Trump.

Are Donald Trump’s racist anti-immigrant and anti-Latino policies really worth the compromise and defilement of one’s ethical and moral center?

DocBarrister

Don’t forget mysoginistic. That’s a good one for those folks as obsolete salt has demonstrated discussing hair and looks along with insulting names to multiple women now.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:21 pm Don’t forget mysoginistic. That’s a good one for those folks as obsolete salt has demonstrated discussing hair and looks along with insulting names to multiple women now.

I particularly enjoy the way MSNBC Mean Girl, Nasal Nicolle Wallace, relates her mommy stories to Trump. It's all about her.
This whistleblower deal has her flummoxed. She's a disclaimer commercial for the side effects of Prempro.

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:25 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:21 pm Don’t forget mysoginistic. That’s a good one for those folks as obsolete salt has demonstrated discussing hair and looks along with insulting names to multiple women now.

I particularly enjoy the way MSNBC Mean Girl, Nasal Nicolle Wallace, relates her mommy stories to Trump. It's all about her.
This whistleblower deal has her flummoxed. She's a disclaimer commercial for the side effects of Prempro.

You sure find ways to watch all of these mean girls...across multiple networks and late in to the night.

They can’t avoid him when he’s watching them on tv like they all do in real life.

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:20 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:20 am

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:42 am Flynn was giving Trump & Pence plausible deniability of their knowledge of his back channel comms with Kislyak, on the Trump Admin's behalf.
Had there been no felonious leak of classified unmasked FISA intercepts -- then there would have been no problem.

Nonsense. If Trump or Pence was informed via legal and covert means, Flynn would've been fired for lying to them. Flynn's fault.

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:42 am Not what I said before about Trump not being able to deal with Russia ? BS. You have selective recall.
How often & early did I say that for Trump, anything having to do with Russia, would now be radioactive.
Remember me using the word "radioactive".

Yep. Of course I remember. And you said that radioactivity with Republican Congressmen would go away after Mueller cleared him. You were using it as an excuse as to why Trump wasn't handling Putin flawlessly in the manner you liked.

That excuse is gone. Trump's not the problem. Neither was Obama, who you think "did it wrong" with Putin.

Turns out, nope. Obama wasn't the problem. Neither was/is Trump. Putin is the problem....and I tried to tell you that.

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:42 am I posted about what Trump & Flynn hoped to accomplish with Russia, before the possibility of outreach was sabotaged by the Deep State & our irrational Russophobia,

And I countered that so long as Putin keeps messing with elections, Trump couldn't drop sanctions, or "normalize" relations by acting like he's not actively attacking America.

I was right.

Have you considered that Putin would stop meddling in our elections if we had a working relationship with him, stopped undermining him domestically with our propaganda, dropped our sanctions & negotiated settlements on Ukraine, arms control & military de-escalation.

So you are now the Champion of Appeasement?

Appeasement, the policy of making concessions to the dictatorial powers in order to avoid conflict. See Conservative Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain and O S.

From the Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... n-protect/

"The president of the United States may have used his position to pressure a foreign country into investigating a political opponent, and he sought to use U.S. taxpayer dollars as leverage to do it. He allegedly sought to use the very security assistance dollars appropriated by Congress to create stability in the world, to help root out corruption and to protect our national security interests, for his own personal gain. These allegations are stunning, both in the national security threat they pose and the potential corruption they represent. We also know that on Sept. 9, the inspector general for the intelligence community notified Congress of a “credible” and “urgent” whistleblower complaint related to national security and potentially involving these allegations. Despite federal law requiring the disclosure of this complaint to Congress, the administration has blocked its release to Congress.

This flagrant disregard for the law cannot stand. To uphold and defend our Constitution, Congress must determine whether the president was indeed willing to use his power and withhold security assistance funds to persuade a foreign country to assist him in an upcoming election.

If these allegations are true, we believe these actions represent an impeachable offense. We do not arrive at this conclusion lightly, and we call on our colleagues in Congress to consider the use of all congressional authorities available to us, including the power of “inherent contempt” and impeachment hearings, to address these new allegations, find the truth and protect our national security.

As members of Congress, we have prioritized delivering for our constituents — remaining steadfast in our focus on health care, infrastructure, economic policy and our communities’ priorities. Yet everything we do harks back to our oaths to defend the country. These new allegations are a threat to all we have sworn to protect. We must preserve the checks and balances envisioned by the Founders and restore the trust of the American people in our government. And that is what we intend to do."

Potus, Vp, Giuliani, sec of State, Barr, DNI Maguire, Mulvaney—-Trump Team squeezing Ukraine to attack our elections, or helping to hiding it. Nancy might pull the trigger now, proving Rep. Talib was right all along.

I’m not sure it makes sense to give her credit, kind of suspect of that entire group for various reasons other than their gender, specifically some of the histrionics, use of media, etc and a clock does strike twice everyday. Unless there’s a slam dunk case it does make sense to hold back when you know the senate will kill it. Didn’t it take quite a while before Nixon went down as well, evidence needed to build substantially? Now however, this seems like the time very soon to pull the trigger.

Without hearings the case will be lost in the sump fog of DC. Trump has no shame, no reason to tell the truth and his tools will fall in behind him. This fight needs to be under oath. Wipe that smug off Pompeo.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:20 am I’m not sure it makes sense to give her credit, kind of suspect of that entire group for various reasons other than their gender, specifically some of the histrionics, use of media, etc and a clock does strike twice everyday. Unless there’s a slam dunk case it does make sense to hold back when you know the senate will kill it. Didn’t it take quite a while before Nixon went down as well, evidence needed to build substantially? Now however, this seems like the time very soon to pull the trigger.

Finally a good Nixon comparison. History repeating itself. The whistleblower isn’t Deep Throat, though. The WB is the tape machine. The timing of this within the president’s first term is comparable. If history does repeat itself Trump will be re-elected over a weak opponent (and so far who the ds are putting up are very weak), a republican senator will come to the forefront as a voice of reason (Romney?), Trump will resign shortly after reelection, and the second term VP (Haley) will be a first. Not the first unelected president, but the first woman one.

The House should rehire Hillary for the prosecution. She’s done this before.

And many of the people who made trump The politician were young acolytes of Nixon, Stone, kudlow, I believe mama fort, etc. they mapped it like Nixon going in. Ironically most except kudlow are likely going down the criminal crapper where they belong.

Don't think Nixon got re-elected post impeachment. Impeachment is also a process unto itself, regardless of what the Senate does. The R Senators "kill it" at their own peril, as the process of impeachment is quite likely to bring out a host of very loathsome truths about this lawless, feckless and incompetent DOPUS. Not to mention their complicity in perpetuating this fraud and con job on America.

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Will DNI Maguire ride this garbage scow to the bottom or follow the law? Seems like Thursday is a big day.

“Rudy Giuliani just confirmed on Hannity that the State Department asked him to intervene with the Ukrainians. I believe that is going to be a problem for someone at State. You can always count on Rudy to cover his own ass.” Joe Lockhart