youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:42 pm
(YA - No, but let's fight fair....it gets higher and higher under every POTUS)
Nope. The deficit went DOWN for two years in a row under Obama. Remember the sequester? And if it makes you happy, go right ahead and give Boehner credit for that. He passed that bill, after all.
But what did your Republican voters do after the sequester? Whined and complained about the economy, and our "hollowed out military". So Trump, knowing you REALLY don't care about redistribution and socialism, took a page out of Reagan, and broke out the checkbook.
Look at how happy Old Salt is now that Uncle Trump broke out the checkbook? It works on Republicans every time. And what happened when H Bush reneged on his "no new taxes", and had the "gall" to make guys like you pay for the cr*p you got from Uncle Sam? Voted out of office because the one thing we've learned about Republican voters is they have no intention of paying for the dinner they ate. "Someone else" is always stuck with the bill.
youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:42 pm
(YA - I honestly do not care about that, so long as people are working, families are putting food on their tables, and the labor pool is as low as possible.
Great. Then you should be either the biggest Bernie fan on the board.....or you should be begging Trump to borrow another $4 Trillion, and simply buy random things with the money.
You don't care that your kids will have to pay for this stuff. And no amount of discussion will get you to understand that that's what we're doing.
youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:42 pm
(YA - Sorry, this has been happening for decades, certianly not something Trump created.
Of course it has been happening for decades. And for you, this means it's ok that Trump is doubling down and making it worse.
youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:42 pm If anything, there is an argrument that by "TRYING" to get manufacturing back engaged, that industry was the significant middle class of our parents era.)
Buffalo bagels. I'm in manufacturing, remember? What has he done to try and help my business? Trump has done the OPPOSITE of help my business. He cut corporate taxes to the bone....leaving guys like me to pay their taxes.
Want to help small business and manufacturing? Flip the table------Tax Amazon, Exxon, and every other large corporation double. Then take companies like mine, and give me Amazon's deal: let me pay nothing. THAT would help me. If you did that? I could double the salary of everyone who works for me, and still have thousands left over to use as I see fit.
Trump is making manufacturing WORSE, not better. And when you do get manufacturing jobs? Lousy pay, no bennies.....but they come with the illusion that these are the same thing as having a job on the line at Ford in the 70s'. Which is, of course, laughable.
youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:42 pm
I agree with you about those not doing so well, however when you have been hooked on the teet of others for so long, it is quite hard to ween yourself off.)
I have no clue what you mean here. Are you referring to the fact that corporations are paying less than half the tax rate that I am?
youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:42 pmIt is not a game I was playing, that is why I originally formed it as a question. Your reply was an attempt to take over the conversation and apply partisan leaning towards the economical standing under Trumps leadership and prognostication of failure.
You haven't read I word I've written over the years. Crony Capitalism started under Reagan and his thoughtless tax cuts corporations and the rich. It accelerated to light speed under Clinton. Once the Dems sold their soul for campaign cash, that was it for America's middle class....no one was looking out for the working man anymore. Unions were decimated, and NAFTA etc. exposed the American workforce to global competition. Congressional Dems signed on for all of this with relish, while liberals howled.
What you and Trump are selling, is that Trump is trying to reverse all this..... and this is laughable.
Trump's tax cuts, for example? The corporate cuts are permanent. The piddly money he flipped to Bandito? It expires, of course. What does that tell you about who Trump is looking after?
And the new NAFTA? Go ahead and tell me how that's protecting American workers from Mexican labor pressure-----the pressure to move American labor to an average. Meaning: moving how much Americans get paid closer to how much Mexicans are paid.
You've bought, of all people, Trump's nonsense. THAT is what I'm reacting to.
Do you have any idea how big of a Trump fan I'd be if Trump did what he's claiming to have done?
Looking at his main campaign planks: I would have LOVED a better bill replacing Obamacare. Did he do that? Nope.
I would have LOVED a fixed immigration and visa system. Did he do that? Nope.
I would have LOVED a massive reduction in Federal regulations. Did he do that? Nope.
I would have LOVED if he simplified our tax code, and killed loopholes. Did he do that? Nope.
And as you know, I would have LOVED if he pulled us out of the ME, and let others pay for their own d*mn military. Did he do that? Nope.
He's not doing what he's claiming. That's why I can't stand his fake "policies".