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[seacoaster]

Is Secretary Pompeo OK with Rudy's activities in Ukraine? Asking for a friend.

https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1202906889278889984

OK. Has the FL Editorial Board established that the Kyiv Post is not Russian propaganda & is a reliable source, worthy of being cited here?
Asking for a friend.

Ha! As if you care.

[youthathletics]

I did answer your question, YA. At some point, you'll listen to me.

Your game here is that because "someone is always worried about the economy", that means that it's no big deal that some people are worried about the economy, and "therefore" everything is fine economically.

Two questions back to you: has our deficit ever been this high? (YA - No, but let's fight fair....it gets higher and higher under every POTUS) And have our effective Federal income (and corporate) taxes ever been this low? (YA - I honestly do not care about that, so long as people are working, families are putting food on their tables, and the labor pool is as low as possible. I am not going to compare what did or did not work in the past....nothing stays the same.)

Add in the massive gap between rich and poor, and how half of Americans aren't enjoying this economy....and you'll know why I'm worried. Partisanship has nothing to do with it. (YA - Sorry, this has been happening for decades, certianly not something Trump created. If anything, there is an argrument that by "TRYING" to get manufacturing back engaged, that industry was the significant middle class of our parents era.)

Personally, I'm doing fine economically. What you keep telling me is what I should be thinking is: screw everyone else. Who cares if my fellow Americans aren't doing as well as I am, and who cares if my kids have to pay for the economy we are enjoying today? (YA - not true at all. Personally I am doing better than I ever have and have not changed jobs in 22 years. Each family has their own circumstances and to try and lay claim to a one size fits all fix...simply does not work. I agree with you about those not doing so well, however when you have been hooked on the teet of others for so long, it is quite hard to ween yourself off.)

It is not a game I was playing, that is why I originally formed it as a question. Your reply was an attempt to take over the conversation and apply partisan leaning towards the economical standing under Trumps leadership and prognostication of failure.

[youthathletics]

Serious question, has there ever been a point in time, in the digital age (~30 years), where the economy has performed ideally with no concerns for 8 plus years....other than the dot.com boom in 2000's?

No concerns? I've been telling you what the concerns are-----this economy is built on borrowed money----for two years now, and you don't want to hear it.

If this is all awesome, and there are no risks here, why wouldn't we simply cut corporate taxes again, and add $4 Trillion in new spending?

And then do it again in 2020. And 2021?

You evade these questions, because you know the answer.

Trump doesn't care. He said so. He will be out of office when it's someone else's problem. It is like maxing out debt and credit cards and dying and leaving your kids to deal with the fall out.

Kinda like every financial industry that lends 10's to 100's of thousands dollars to teenagers with no credit, or give them credit cards with nothing to show for it. But hey....we got our co-signer and BTW you can not claim bankruptcy on student loans. Take advantage of the youth while they line their own pockets....but hey, it's legal.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Serious question, has there ever been a point in time, in the digital age (~30 years), where the economy has performed ideally with no concerns for 8 plus years....other than the dot.com boom in 2000's?

No concerns? I've been telling you what the concerns are-----this economy is built on borrowed money----for two years now, and you don't want to hear it.

If this is all awesome, and there are no risks here, why wouldn't we simply cut corporate taxes again, and add $4 Trillion in new spending?

And then do it again in 2020. And 2021?

You evade these questions, because you know the answer.

Trump doesn't care. He said so. He will be out of office when it's someone else's problem. It is like maxing out debt and credit cards and dying and leaving your kids to deal with the fall out.

Kinda like every financial industry that lends 10's to 100's of thousands dollars to teenagers with no credit, or give them credit cards with nothing to show for it. But hey....we got our co-signer and BTW you can not claim bankruptcy on student loans. Take advantage of the youth while they line their own pockets....but hey, it's legal.

I can't help with that.

[a fan]

(YA - No, but let's fight fair....it gets higher and higher under every POTUS)

Nope. The deficit went DOWN for two years in a row under Obama. Remember the sequester? And if it makes you happy, go right ahead and give Boehner credit for that. He passed that bill, after all.

But what did your Republican voters do after the sequester? Whined and complained about the economy, and our "hollowed out military". So Trump, knowing you REALLY don't care about redistribution and socialism, took a page out of Reagan, and broke out the checkbook.

Look at how happy Old Salt is now that Uncle Trump broke out the checkbook? It works on Republicans every time. And what happened when H Bush reneged on his "no new taxes", and had the "gall" to make guys like you pay for the cr*p you got from Uncle Sam? Voted out of office because the one thing we've learned about Republican voters is they have no intention of paying for the dinner they ate. "Someone else" is always stuck with the bill.

(YA - I honestly do not care about that, so long as people are working, families are putting food on their tables, and the labor pool is as low as possible.

Great. Then you should be either the biggest Bernie fan on the board.....or you should be begging Trump to borrow another $4 Trillion, and simply buy random things with the money.

You don't care that your kids will have to pay for this stuff. And no amount of discussion will get you to understand that that's what we're doing.

(YA - Sorry, this has been happening for decades, certianly not something Trump created.

Of course it has been happening for decades. And for you, this means it's ok that Trump is doubling down and making it worse.

If anything, there is an argrument that by "TRYING" to get manufacturing back engaged, that industry was the significant middle class of our parents era.)

Buffalo bagels. I'm in manufacturing, remember? What has he done to try and help my business? Trump has done the OPPOSITE of help my business. He cut corporate taxes to the bone....leaving guys like me to pay their taxes.

Want to help small business and manufacturing? Flip the table------Tax Amazon, Exxon, and every other large corporation double. Then take companies like mine, and give me Amazon's deal: let me pay nothing. THAT would help me. If you did that? I could double the salary of everyone who works for me, and still have thousands left over to use as I see fit.

Trump is making manufacturing WORSE, not better. And when you do get manufacturing jobs? Lousy pay, no bennies.....but they come with the illusion that these are the same thing as having a job on the line at Ford in the 70s'. Which is, of course, laughable.

I agree with you about those not doing so well, however when you have been hooked on the teet of others for so long, it is quite hard to ween yourself off.)

I have no clue what you mean here. Are you referring to the fact that corporations are paying less than half the tax rate that I am?

It is not a game I was playing, that is why I originally formed it as a question. Your reply was an attempt to take over the conversation and apply partisan leaning towards the economical standing under Trumps leadership and prognostication of failure.

You haven't read I word I've written over the years. Crony Capitalism started under Reagan and his thoughtless tax cuts corporations and the rich. It accelerated to light speed under Clinton. Once the Dems sold their soul for campaign cash, that was it for America's middle class....no one was looking out for the working man anymore. Unions were decimated, and NAFTA etc. exposed the American workforce to global competition. Congressional Dems signed on for all of this with relish, while liberals howled.

What you and Trump are selling, is that Trump is trying to reverse all this..... and this is laughable.

Trump's tax cuts, for example? The corporate cuts are permanent. The piddly money he flipped to Bandito? It expires, of course. What does that tell you about who Trump is looking after?

And the new NAFTA? Go ahead and tell me how that's protecting American workers from Mexican labor pressure-----the pressure to move American labor to an average. Meaning: moving how much Americans get paid closer to how much Mexicans are paid.

You've bought, of all people, Trump's nonsense. THAT is what I'm reacting to.

Do you have any idea how big of a Trump fan I'd be if Trump did what he's claiming to have done?

Looking at his main campaign planks: I would have LOVED a better bill replacing Obamacare. Did he do that? Nope.

I would have LOVED a fixed immigration and visa system. Did he do that? Nope.

I would have LOVED a massive reduction in Federal regulations. Did he do that? Nope.

I would have LOVED if he simplified our tax code, and killed loopholes. Did he do that? Nope.

And as you know, I would have LOVED if he pulled us out of the ME, and let others pay for their own d*mn military. Did he do that? Nope.

He's not doing what he's claiming. That's why I can't stand his fake "policies".

[Trinity]

Trump assures America the Saudi King is devastated. Again. That is all.

[MDlaxfan76]

Is Secretary Pompeo OK with Rudy's activities in Ukraine? Asking for a friend.

https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1202906889278889984

OK. Has the FL Editorial Board established that the Kyiv Post is not Russian propaganda & is a reliable source, worthy of being cited here?
Asking for a friend.

Ha! As if you care.

Nope, not a Russian propaganda source. Of course you know that...

But it does have a left-center bias, which in that area of the world means away from Russia and toward western liberal democracy.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/kyiv-post/

[Trinity]

Saudi shooter hosted dinner party to watch mass shooting vids, another Saudi student filmed outside, Saudi students unaccounted for. But the King? Devastated.

https://apnews.com/75a8adc71422596a54052540fabb7230

[holmes435]

Saudi shooter hosted dinner party to watch mass shooting vids, another Saudi student filmed outside, Saudi students unaccounted for. But the King? Devastated.

https://apnews.com/75a8adc71422596a54052540fabb7230

Wait. I don't remember Saudis having been behind anything terrorist related in the US before? We're just so friendly with them. Why would the king be devastated again?

[youthathletics]

(YA - No, but let's fight fair....it gets higher and higher under every POTUS)

Nope. The deficit went DOWN for two years in a row under Obama. Remember the sequester? And if it makes you happy, go right ahead and give Boehner credit for that. He passed that bill, after all. And remind us all again what employment looked like? Certainly you know that. Oh wait, but BHO's stimulus was not pumping money into the economy?. Sure it was...maybe even his deal with those Common Core people, who also propped up his advance on his book deal.

But what did your Republican voters do after the sequester? Whined and complained about the economy, and our "hollowed out military". So Trump, knowing you REALLY don't care about redistribution and socialism, took a page out of Reagan, and broke out the checkbook. He did hollow out our military, thanks for reminding us all. That Solendra money certainly could have been used more wisely.

Look at how happy Old Salt is now that Uncle Trump broke out the checkbook? It works on Republicans every time. And what happened when H Bush reneged on his "no new taxes", and had the "gall" to make guys like you pay for the cr*p you got from Uncle Sam? Voted out of office because the one thing we've learned about Republican voters is they have no intention of paying for the dinner they ate. "Someone else" is always stuck with the bill. [1] And having said all that, are YOU stuck with the bill that past presidents have left us with....exactly, we'll all be alright.

(YA - I honestly do not care about that, so long as people are working, families are putting food on their tables, and the labor pool is as low as possible.

Great. or you should be begging Trump to borrow another $4 Trillion, and simply buy random things with the money.You are too funny, You know full well it often takes money to make money, nothing wrong with helping a brother out, as long as it is not wasted and pi$$ed away. If you haven't looked, the majority of Americans are in pretty good shape right now, in only 3 years....let's see how things go the next 3.

You don't care that your kids will have to pay for this stuff. And no amount of discussion will get you to understand that that's what we're doing. That is part and parcel why I asked the original question....as I noted in {1} above. Our debt has climbed in every president. I assume you were a kid during the presidency while we were in debt....and you are just fine, as am I.

If anything, there is an argument that by "TRYING" to get manufacturing back engaged, that industry was the significant middle class of our parents era.)

Buffalo bagels. I'm in manufacturing, remember? What has he done to try and help my business? Trump has done the OPPOSITE of help my business. He cut corporate taxes to the bone....leaving guys like me to pay their taxes. I was referring to US businesses that have sent manufacturing to China. For crying out loud, why are you so against Trump trying to build that back up and balance the scales? BTW - You do not hire or have moved your business to Chinese manufacturing your goods. You are the good guy.

Want to help small business and manufacturing? Flip the table------Tax Amazon, Exxon, and every other large corporation double. Then take companies like mine, and give me Amazon's deal: let me pay nothing. THAT would help me. If you did that? I could double the salary of everyone who works for me, and still have thousands left over to use as I see fit. No argument here.

Trump is making manufacturing WORSE, not better. And when you do get manufacturing jobs? Lousy pay, no bennies.....but they come with the illusion that these are the same thing as having a job on the line at Ford in the 70s'. Which is, of course, laughable. So I guess you agree with Obama, they aint coming back so eff it, why try. Pick a side.

It is not a game I was playing, that is why I originally formed it as a question. Your reply was an attempt to take over the conversation and apply partisan leaning towards the economical standing under Trumps leadership and prognostication of failure.

You haven't read I word I've written over the years. Crony Capitalism started under Reagan and his thoughtless tax cuts corporations and the rich. It accelerated to light speed under Clinton. Once the Dems sold their soul for campaign cash, that was it for America's middle class....no one was looking out for the working man anymore. Unions were decimated, and NAFTA etc. exposed the American workforce to global competition. Congressional Dems signed on for all of this with relish, while liberals howled. I agree the Dems, screwed the middle class. They took advantage of all that union cash rolling in the door, lined their pockets, and rolled the eff out)

What you and Trump are selling, is that Trump is trying to reverse all this..... and this is laughable. I get that you have your way of doing things and I'd trust your way, I honestly would, BUT you shouldn't keep continuing to beat us all down just because your way is not in place. Attitude is mental visualization is a key to success, money not so much. You seem to always compare your way vs everything else, when your way has never fully been implemented.

You've bought, of all people, Trump's nonsense. THAT is what I'm reacting to. Fair, I suppose the difference in perspective is that he has been laying a foundation in the confines of a slow moving governmental system that has lobbyist and special interest setting road blocks along the way. Again, let's see where this takes us, instead of poo-poo'ing everything every step of the way.

Do you have any idea how big of a Trump fan I'd be if Trump did what he's claiming to have done? I am trying to stay positive, especially when every president has been an elected politician prior to their presidency. I am hopeful, that he proves you do not need to follow the path of others.


And as you know, I would have LOVED if he pulled us out of the ME, and let others pay for their own d*mn military. Did he do that? Nope. I agree.
He's not doing what he's claiming. That's why I can't stand his fake "policies". Sure he is, but your emphasis on "policies" handcuffs you. Fighting with China trade...he's doing that. fighting with the UN for them all to pay their "fair share"...he's doing that, fighting for manufacturing...he's doing that. easing regulations......he's doing that, crime bill....his doing that, legislation on cartels being terrorist organizations....doing that. There are plenty positives. And with such a divided House/Senate...he is handcuffed.

I tried to answer each line item......Have a great day Afan!

[MDlaxfan76]

(YA - No, but let's fight fair....it gets higher and higher under every POTUS)

Nope. The deficit went DOWN for two years in a row under Obama. Remember the sequester? And if it makes you happy, go right ahead and give Boehner credit for that. He passed that bill, after all. And remind us all again what employment looked like? Certainly you know that. Oh wait, but BHO's stimulus was not pumping money into the economy?. Sure it was...maybe even his deal with those Common Core people, who also propped up his advance on his book deal.

youth,
Take a look at the chart on unemployment rate. Notice anything?
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS14000024

Perhaps that employment was decimated by the Great Recession, which began before Obama was elected, so unemployment skyrocketed?

Then straight down year after year after year under Obama, as the economy survived with the initial stimulus package backed by Bush and then the GOP with Dems under Obama, and eventually strengthened despite sequester. It was 4.7% in 2016, which was historically quite low.

It's 3.5% today as the trend continued under further economic juicing. It likely otherwise would have been continuing to go lower but at a lower pace.

The question is whether that immense amount of additional stimulus was actually worth the squeeze in terms of wages and standard of living (continued increases in health care costs on the consumer have eaten up any positive impacts).

I have no idea what your jibe about "Common Core" has to do with that, so am not responding to that one.

[Typical Lax Dad]

(YA - No, but let's fight fair....it gets higher and higher under every POTUS)

Nope. The deficit went DOWN for two years in a row under Obama. Remember the sequester? And if it makes you happy, go right ahead and give Boehner credit for that. He passed that bill, after all. And remind us all again what employment looked like? Certainly you know that. Oh wait, but BHO's stimulus was not pumping money into the economy?. Sure it was...maybe even his deal with those Common Core people, who also propped up his advance on his book deal.

youth,
Take a look at the chart on unemployment rate. Notice anything?
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS14000024

Perhaps that employment was decimated by the Great Recession, which began before Obama was elected, so unemployment skyrocketed?

Then straight down year after year after year under Obama, as the economy survived with the initial stimulus package backed by Bush and then the GOP with Dems under Obama, and eventually strengthened despite sequester. It was 4.7% in 2016, which was historically quite low.

It's 3.5% today as the trend continued under further economic juicing. It likely otherwise would have been continuing to go lower but at a lower pace.

The question is whether that immense amount of additional stimulus was actually worth the squeeze in terms of wages and standard of living (continued increases in health care costs on the consumer have eaten up any positive impacts).

I have no idea what your jibe about "Common Core" has to do with that, so am not responding to that one.

Youth should stop by the bank and take out a mortgage at a 80% LTV spend it like crazy and then tell his family it was a raise.

[Trinity]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/07/us/p ... rabia.html

Saudis First.

[Typical Lax Dad]

(YA - No, but let's fight fair....it gets higher and higher under every POTUS)

Nope. The deficit went DOWN for two years in a row under Obama. Remember the sequester? And if it makes you happy, go right ahead and give Boehner credit for that. He passed that bill, after all.

But what did your Republican voters do after the sequester? Whined and complained about the economy, and our "hollowed out military". So Trump, knowing you REALLY don't care about redistribution and socialism, took a page out of Reagan, and broke out the checkbook.

Look at how happy Old Salt is now that Uncle Trump broke out the checkbook? It works on Republicans every time. And what happened when H Bush reneged on his "no new taxes", and had the "gall" to make guys like you pay for the cr*p you got from Uncle Sam? Voted out of office because the one thing we've learned about Republican voters is they have no intention of paying for the dinner they ate. "Someone else" is always stuck with the bill.

(YA - I honestly do not care about that, so long as people are working, families are putting food on their tables, and the labor pool is as low as possible.

Great. Then you should be either the biggest Bernie fan on the board.....or you should be begging Trump to borrow another $4 Trillion, and simply buy random things with the money.

You don't care that your kids will have to pay for this stuff. And no amount of discussion will get you to understand that that's what we're doing.

(YA - Sorry, this has been happening for decades, certianly not something Trump created.

Of course it has been happening for decades. And for you, this means it's ok that Trump is doubling down and making it worse.

If anything, there is an argrument that by "TRYING" to get manufacturing back engaged, that industry was the significant middle class of our parents era.)

Buffalo bagels. I'm in manufacturing, remember? What has he done to try and help my business? Trump has done the OPPOSITE of help my business. He cut corporate taxes to the bone....leaving guys like me to pay their taxes.

Want to help small business and manufacturing? Flip the table------Tax Amazon, Exxon, and every other large corporation double. Then take companies like mine, and give me Amazon's deal: let me pay nothing. THAT would help me. If you did that? I could double the salary of everyone who works for me, and still have thousands left over to use as I see fit.

Trump is making manufacturing WORSE, not better. And when you do get manufacturing jobs? Lousy pay, no bennies.....but they come with the illusion that these are the same thing as having a job on the line at Ford in the 70s'. Which is, of course, laughable.

I agree with you about those not doing so well, however when you have been hooked on the teet of others for so long, it is quite hard to ween yourself off.)

I have no clue what you mean here. Are you referring to the fact that corporations are paying less than half the tax rate that I am?

It is not a game I was playing, that is why I originally formed it as a question. Your reply was an attempt to take over the conversation and apply partisan leaning towards the economical standing under Trumps leadership and prognostication of failure.

You haven't read I word I've written over the years. Crony Capitalism started under Reagan and his thoughtless tax cuts corporations and the rich. It accelerated to light speed under Clinton. Once the Dems sold their soul for campaign cash, that was it for America's middle class....no one was looking out for the working man anymore. Unions were decimated, and NAFTA etc. exposed the American workforce to global competition. Congressional Dems signed on for all of this with relish, while liberals howled.

What you and Trump are selling, is that Trump is trying to reverse all this..... and this is laughable.

Trump's tax cuts, for example? The corporate cuts are permanent. The piddly money he flipped to Bandito? It expires, of course. What does that tell you about who Trump is looking after?

And the new NAFTA? Go ahead and tell me how that's protecting American workers from Mexican labor pressure-----the pressure to move American labor to an average. Meaning: moving how much Americans get paid closer to how much Mexicans are paid.

You've bought, of all people, Trump's nonsense. THAT is what I'm reacting to.

Do you have any idea how big of a Trump fan I'd be if Trump did what he's claiming to have done?

Looking at his main campaign planks: I would have LOVED a better bill replacing Obamacare. Did he do that? Nope.

I would have LOVED a fixed immigration and visa system. Did he do that? Nope.

I would have LOVED a massive reduction in Federal regulations. Did he do that? Nope.

I would have LOVED if he simplified our tax code, and killed loopholes. Did he do that? Nope.

And as you know, I would have LOVED if he pulled us out of the ME, and let others pay for their own d*mn military. Did he do that? Nope.

He's not doing what he's claiming. That's why I can't stand his fake "policies".

We have two clients that have announced layoffs. They are both heavy manufacturers. One aspect of manufacturing that is doing well is the highly engineered / highly specialized sector. This is for medical applications in particular....

In other news:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-deer ... SKBN1WG4OW

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1069341

But a low paying job is better than no job!

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/1 ... e-n11.html

[Andersen]

What's shakin'?

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-s ... e-ready-21

[youthathletics]

(YA - No, but let's fight fair....it gets higher and higher under every POTUS)

Nope. The deficit went DOWN for two years in a row under Obama. Remember the sequester? And if it makes you happy, go right ahead and give Boehner credit for that. He passed that bill, after all. And remind us all again what employment looked like? Certainly you know that. Oh wait, but BHO's stimulus was not pumping money into the economy?. Sure it was...maybe even his deal with those Common Core people, who also propped up his advance on his book deal.

youth,
Take a look at the chart on unemployment rate. Notice anything?
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS14000024

Perhaps that employment was decimated by the Great Recession, which began before Obama was elected, so unemployment skyrocketed?

Then straight down year after year after year under Obama, as the economy survived with the initial stimulus package backed by Bush and then the GOP with Dems under Obama, and eventually strengthened despite sequester. It was 4.7% in 2016, which was historically quite low.

It's 3.5% today as the trend continued under further economic juicing. It likely otherwise would have been continuing to go lower but at a lower pace.

The question is whether that immense amount of additional stimulus was actually worth the squeeze in terms of wages and standard of living (continued increases in health care costs on the consumer have eaten up any positive impacts).

I have no idea what your jibe about "Common Core" has to do with that, so am not responding to that one.

We are saying the same thing, I believe. We needed that stimulus, its just that the BHO Admin wasted a ton of it on those "shovel ready jobs" that never took place; see Solendra ref. My point, was that there is a correlation between recession/unemployment and debt.

The Common Core piece was his administrations donation to Pearson Education that was driving the development of Common Core....to only then have that same company provide him the 65 mm book deal....is that quid pro quo; maybe?

I have been on record numerous times crediting BHO for righting the ship and acknowledged the unemployment rate trending downward...no argument there at all. So in the same breath, Trump is clearly following BHO's lead or simply NOT screwing up a good thing, b/c the trend line continues downward. If Trump is such an idiot, unemployment should be heading back north, b/c he knows nothing as you all say, but it is not.

[youthathletics]

Youth should stop by the bank and take out a mortgage at a 80% LTV spend it like crazy and then tell his family it was a raise.

I could do that if I had 140.9 million people paying taxes on time, that ROI would be quite nice.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Youth should stop by the bank and take out a mortgage at a 80% LTV spend it like crazy and then tell his family it was a raise.

I could do that if I had 140.9 million people paying taxes on time, that ROI would be quite nice.

?

[youthathletics]

Youth should stop by the bank and take out a mortgage at a 80% LTV spend it like crazy and then tell his family it was a raise.

I could do that if I had 140.9 million people paying taxes on time, that ROI would be quite nice.

?

A bail-out from the feds on that loan when I go belly up...much like what Bareny Frank told every one...'THE PRIVATE SECTOR got us into this mess. The government has to get us out of it."

[a fan]

If you haven't looked, the majority of Americans are in pretty good shape right now

The top half of earners in America are ALWAYS in good shape. And have been since WWII. That is a nothing statement.

The issue is: how is the bottom half doing?

Again, my family has been doing just fine for the last 50 years. What you are telling me is that because my family is doing fine, I shouldn't care how my fellow Americans are doing, and ignore what our government does.

Hard pass. But thank you.

Our debt has climbed in every president[/url]. I assume you were a kid during the presidency while we were in debt....and you are just fine, as am I.

Great. So if you believe this, then why isn't Trump borrowing $4 trillion more, and cutting taxes in half again?

You know why. You just don't want to admit it.

I was referring to US businesses that have sent manufacturing to China. For crying out loud, why are you so against Trump trying to build that back up and balance the scales?

Because he's not doing that. I don't know how many different ways to tell you that he's not doing that.

Let's stop on this point.

Go ahead and tell me exactly, precisely what Trump is doing with China. What is he offering China that you think is going to even the scales?

Take your time.