All things CoronaVirus

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How many of your friends and family members have died of the Chinese Corona Virus?

0 people
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64%
1 person.
10
14%
2 people.
3
4%
3 people.
5
7%
More.
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10%
 
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runrussellrun wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:12 pm Show me the age breakdown in the "numbers" ,which you didn't provide, btw. Once again, you talk about the numbers. In a real debate, you would look like a fool. Provide the numbers, not a for profit, infotainment article. .
GGait already has. And he just did it again. Sweden's death rate is climbing. And nope, I can't tell you that Wilma or Astrid died because they went to a restaurant today.

You're bored out of your mind, and have chosen me for a fight.
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a fan wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:03 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:31 pm Interesting, that , for the only time in US history, a sitting Attorney was held in Contempt. FastNfurious, not a big deal correct.
So the game here is that if I don't feel the exact same way you did on any of the millions of issues in the world...I'm wrong. Is that it?

And yep, we discussed that at the Water Cooler.
runrussellrun wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:31 pm Not the shovel ready lie?
We discussed that, too.
runrussellrun wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:31 pm The infrastructure lie ?.
We discussed that, too. And have under Trump as well.
runrussellrun wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:31 pm AFAN, as you claim, the media coverage is BLOOMING with Joe Biden accussed of, 24/7 coverage.
Nope. I claimed outlets picked it up, and no one cares about the story right now.

I wonder why? And if they did cover Biden like you want? You'd be back here complaining that "they didn't cover xyz story" enough. You simply don't understand the circular logic you use on with this stuff. There is no win. No matter what, you complain that something isn't covered right.

If I didn't know any better, you're a lefty, and the bulk of the media is either center, or right.....and shockingly doesn't reflect your worldview. And therefore doesn't cover what you want them to cover...and doesn't cover it to your satisfaction. ;)
What is it with this false claims? Who said it wasn't discussed on the old lP watercooler. NO ONE did.
I, however, did say, I FOUND IT INTERESTING that you just couldn't, off the top of your head, name all those other topics. that's all. that's it. Nothing deep or mysterious. It's as if the first mindset is too defend....... ;) see how that works?

Netmoving mastery: Complete lie about media picking up the Joe story. Your words. Still there.

Regardless of what our POTUSA claims, or threatens to do, or not do, to W.H.O.

What do YOU people think of how W.H.O. handled the situation? You know, the Docs. the professionals. How does the NY times rate W.H.O.'s timeline?
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runrussellrun wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:13 pm What is it with this false claims? Who said it wasn't discussed on the old lP watercooler. NO ONE did.
I, however, did say, I FOUND IT INTERESTING that you just couldn't, off the top of your head, name all those other topics. that's all. that's it. Nothing deep or mysterious.
We have arrived at the problem.

Go back and read what you wrote. What you THINK you wrote, and what you ACTUALLY wrote, are two entirely different things.

How many times do you need posters to tell you that they don't understand a word of what you're writing before you pull it together, my man?

I enjoy our banter....but when I can't understand what the heck you're talking about....it goes off the rails....
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wgdsr wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:42 pm for a little levity, if that's allowed...

chile's case fatality rate is abnormally low. quickly checking into it to investigate how they may be doing it...
https://www.newsweek.com/chile-counts-t ... th-1497775

if you die in chile, you posthumously make the "recovered" list, as you no longer are contagious! it's not 100% clear whether you definitively make the death populace as well.
also, i guess they've determined once you've recovered, you now have immunity and get a certificate to allow all-access! so we can check that immunity/antibodies box. again, no word on whether the deceased from the recovered group get a certificate to mill about wherever they'd like as well.

goes without saying, if they are in fact "winning" relatively speaking, hope they can keep it up. however they classify.
it is- here's some more: https://apnews.com/7d86ffc9a7737e8f7b98a0492f850589
Neil Diamond posts a fireside rendition of “Sweet Caroline” with its familiar lyrics tweaked to say, “Hands ... washing hands.” A news anchor asks when social distancing will end because “my husband keeps trying to get into the house.” And a sign outside a neighborhood church reads: “Had not planned on giving up quite this much for Lent.”
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a fan wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:20 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:13 pm What is it with this false claims? Who said it wasn't discussed on the old lP watercooler. NO ONE did.
I, however, did say, I FOUND IT INTERESTING that you just couldn't, off the top of your head, name all those other topics. that's all. that's it. Nothing deep or mysterious.
We have arrived at the problem.

Go back and read what you wrote. What you THINK you wrote, and what you ACTUALLY wrote, are two entirely different things.

How many times do you need posters to tell you that they don't understand a word of what you're writing before you pull it together, my man?

I enjoy our banter....but when I can't understand what the heck you're talking about....it goes off the rails....


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:lol: Handing out brandy as a disinfectant isn't perfect (abv is too low), but it's better than nothing!
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a fan wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:12 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:12 pm Show me the age breakdown in the "numbers" ,which you didn't provide, btw. Once again, you talk about the numbers. In a real debate, you would look like a fool. Provide the numbers, not a for profit, infotainment article. .
GGait already has. And he just did it again. Sweden's death rate is climbing. And nope, I can't tell you that Wilma or Astrid died because they went to a restaurant today.

You're bored out of your mind, and have chosen me for a fight.
You call it a fight, b/c you can't support your claims. "See, ggaits got my back. HE....provided the numbers you seek " Again, weak sauce. you want to claim people who went to restaurants, died. Yet, have zero way of proving that statement to be true. So, STOP making these idiotic, fear porn statements, that just are NOT true.

But, regarding ggaits link: Oh, really? been to this website a bunch of times. fine print even admits a spike b/d they added April 13th, blah blah blah. They are all estimates, more predictions. You see the TOTAL number of Swedes tested for V-19, in your "numbers" you must have it bookmarked, why are you having such a hard time providing a link? It friggin weird, only YOU don't see it. Emmersed in the junk that is fecesbook feeds. No filtering news, as fake, even tho, that very issue, was discussed, earlier.

How many Swedes have been tested. TOTAL, as of April 14th, for the V-19 virus? Provide it. Lame, to answer, been there, answered, or "he" provided it. He didn't. It's not picking a fight, it trying to stop you from yourself. You are believing every single piece of fear porn.

Is this really where we thought we would be, while in our early 20's. Locked in our home, sometimes arrested. Certainly fined, . Talk to your 23 year old self, and ask them to believe what is going on, worldwide. tell your 23 year old self ALL the details. who, vastly, mostly, is passing away. Remember, making things personal, makes it hard to remain objective. I go out, everyday, without a mask. shop, workout......smoke, and I don't have V-19. Do our experiences cancel each other out, in terms of social distorion/distancing ? You betcha. So, people shouldn't make it personal. When it affects the entire worlds population. Way more people are thinking it, just not saying it. It's nature way.......cull the herd. Some cultures had their own methods.

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Bart wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:44 pm
jhu72 wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:53 pm
wgdsr wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:54 am
jhu72 wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:08 am Another thumbs down for Dr. Trump's snake oil.
did they use it with zinc?
early onstage or after it was too late for the drug to be effective?
who was it used on?
i'm really interested in more china information.
as long as we're posting things about research that we have no details, no peer review, etc.... a la our commander in chief... here's an update in france with now 4337 patients:
https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/covid-19/
control group 1666, 67 deaths, 4.0% case fatality.
hcl/zpk group: 2671, 11 deaths, 0.4% case fatality.
zero other details that i've found as of yet.

a while back, new york (city?) was supposed to be running a 1K + trial, cuomo says results of a trial will be released in 5 days. given he restricted use to only hospitalized patients at one point, it's unclear whether this one will have evidence of patients at various stages early, late, high viral load and virus taking over already, etc. tamiflu and many other viral candidates are deemed most effective the earlier you take them.
there was also this out today:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/15/coronav ... speed.html
looks like more than a dozen going here in the us of a.
there are hopefully hundreds more on other possible treatments.
This is exactly the problem - peer review. All of this is unreviewed. Press releases trying to drum up excitement, name recognition or dollars or both for the research. We have seen this before - remember AIDS? The onus is on those claiming positive results, not those claiming they have seen what is expected - Chloroquine has anti-inflammatory properties that might make patients "feel better". "Feel better" has no scientific meaning. I am certain if the issue was to provide an anti-inflammatory action, we could find a better solutions than Chloroquine in this case.

The peer reviewed literature will in the end decide - not clowns like the Gateway Pudidiot.

PS - this is not really about ZPAK or even zinc.
Yet, it appears to me your mind has been made up prior to any peer reviewed literature has even hit the press.

Thanks for letting me know this is not about ZPAK or zinc. I will cease to continue to read on this as well, or perhaps not. It is all just a bit fascinating.

To me, this is an interesting topic, thank you wgdsr for the added insight/question. Much better than the continued peeing match placing blame. I'm just anxiously waiting to the next round of numbers and the immediate sentence on how the POTUS is a douche bag. That is good stuff...............
You misunderstood my point. The roll of ZPAK makes perfect sense as does zinc. The issue revolves around Chloroquine. Let the science decide. Not a con-artist pushing this drug with known downsides. If it works great. I doubt it will be useful in a fashion that some other drug would not be. But let the science decide. The excitement over Chloroquine is not because of its scientific consensus promise. It is because a con-artist is pushing it and that con-artist because of his position has dollars behind him. While that drug is being pushed, others, perhaps more promising are not. There is an awful lot of hype, far more than is warranted associated with this, on both sides of the debate.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:49 pm It's a good time to close down the World Health Organization, right?
they just recommended restricting alcohol access. no time is perfect and this one certainly applies, but they probably just lost a voting block.
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runrussellrun wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:34 pm You call it a fight, b/c you can't support your claims. "See, ggaits got my back. HE....provided the numbers you seek " Again, weak sauce. you want to claim people who went to restaurants, died. Yet, have zero way of proving that statement to be true. So, STOP making these idiotic, fear porn statements, that just are NOT true.

But, regarding ggaits link: Oh, really? been to this website a bunch of times. fine print even admits a spike b/d they added April 13th, blah blah blah. They are all estimates, more predictions. You see the TOTAL number of Swedes tested for V-19, in your "numbers" you must have it bookmarked, why are you having such a hard time providing a link?
Dude. I've told you multiple times what I think, but you blow though it because you don't like the answer.

I don't get my news from facebook, ffs.

What have I told you? I get my news on the virus DIRECTLY from doctors, administrators and nurses. Why? Because I'm in here, 7 days a week, making hand sanitizer for them, and coordinating its delivery. And with every contact point I make, I ask questions. So I know EXACTLY what is going on in my community.

And all of these people who have actual DIRECT experience with this virus are BEGGING people to stay home so that things don't get out of control.
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AOD wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:11 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:03 pm

There was little to criticize after Obama's first two years, as I'm sure you remember, because McConnell kept any meaningful legislation from passing for six full years. So what was there to talk about?

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I got one for you. His failure to fight harder for the Garland appointment made him complicit in the Senate's abrogation of its Constitutional duty to advise and consent.
+1 The Senate had its chance to advise and consent, it did not. He could have easily made the precedent that given sufficient time (and there was) lack of Senate action is consent. Throw it to the Supreme court and see what they do.
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a fan wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:20 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:13 pm What is it with this false claims? Who said it wasn't discussed on the old lP watercooler. NO ONE did.
I, however, did say, I FOUND IT INTERESTING that you just couldn't, off the top of your head, name all those other topics. that's all. that's it. Nothing deep or mysterious.
We have arrived at the problem.

Go back and read what you wrote. What you THINK you wrote, and what you ACTUALLY wrote, are two entirely different things.

How many times do you need posters to tell you that they don't understand a word of what you're writing before you pull it together, my man?

I enjoy our banter....but when I can't understand what the heck you're talking about....it goes off the rails....
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Interesting, that , for the only time in US history, a sitting Attorney was held in Contempt. FastNfurious, not a big deal correct.


Stop acting like Karl Rove, deflect, focus on the irrelevent.

Numbers. Provide the numbers that support your "opinion" that people who disregarded social distancing, or NPI's, (non-pharmaculitcal interventions)
are dying at a faster clip, in Sweden, than those that did. You want to go on about all this other nonsense.

But, I haven't even addressed your weird distraction. Again, the very first word I typed, was INTEReSTING.

"Interesting....FastNFurious....not a big deal "

Yup, a complete mystery to understand what I meant.

Numbers, Please provide. It is a LIE that you have. That is not picking a fight . It is a fact. You are just acting weird.

AFAN, if we both , never test positive for V-19. Never get the symptoms, either, are we both right? When it comes to the value of social distancing. It truly, IS the only question, that matters, at this point. For all of us. You aren't interested.

any of your fecesbook feeds publically announcing they are hurting. financially. emotionally? Oh, what that, fear porn lovers. That's NOT happening. wake the F up.
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seacoaster wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:17 pm Wonder why stupid is attacking the WHO? It's right out of Roy Cohn's book:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... -failures/

President Trump is spinning his new decision to suspend funding to the World Health Organization as an act of decisive leadership — one that showcases his devotion to effective crisis management, to gathering good empirical information, and to holding people accountable for leadership failures that had catastrophic human consequences.

In just about every conceivable way, this is the opposite of the truth.

In making this new move, Trump is inviting us to review the basic timeline of events. And it demonstrates that the WHO, for all its initial failures, was still far ahead of Trump in embracing the need for a comprehensive response to coronavirus.

The timeline also once again illustrates Trump’s epic failures in that regard, and reveals the degree to which Trump is now relying on transparently ridiculous scapegoating to erase his own central role in this catastrophe.

In announcing an end to funding for the WHO, Trump claimed the organization was complicit in China’s early coverup of the outbreak’s severity there. He insisted the WHO “pushed China’s misinformation,” and ripped WHO for “severely mismanaging and covering up the spread.”

Trump also claimed that if not for WHO, “the outbreak could have been contained at its source with very little death.” He lamented that the U.S. can’t rely on WHO for “accurate, timely and independent information to make important public health recommendations and decisions.”

For Trump to position himself in this manner as a spokesperson for crisis management, empiricism and accountability would be positively comical, if the stakes weren’t so monumentally dangerous.

The WHO’s initial mistakes were real, and many critics beyond Trump have pointed to them. The organization was too trusting of China’s early obfuscations about coronavirus, and failed to aggressively push China to be more transparent. The WHO also arguably was too slow to declare a global public health emergency.

But cutting off funding as a punishment is counterproductive and deeply absurd. Indeed, even if you accept that the WHO committed serious errors, the timeline is still far more damning to Trump, by the terms that he himself has set through his criticism of the organization.

The timeline is far more damning to Trump

By Jan. 23, the WHO was already warning that coronavirus could “appear in any country,” and urged all countries to be “prepared for containment” and get ready to exercise “isolation” and “prevention” measures against its spread.

At around the same time, on Jan. 22, Trump was asked point-blank whether he worried about coronavirus’s spread, and he answered: “No, not at all,” insisting it was just “one person coming from China” and that “we have it totally under control.”

And on Jan. 24, Trump hailed China’s “effort” against coronavirus and its “transparency” about it, predicting that “it will all work out well.”

So Trump showed less concern about its spread in countries outside China — including in our own — than the WHO did.

On Jan. 30, the WHO declared coronavirus a global public health emergency. While WHO was still too credulous toward China’s response, WHO also warned that all countries must review “preparedness plans” and take seriously what was coming.

By contrast, on Jan. 30, Trump was directly warned by his Health and Human Services secretary of the threat coronavirus posed. Trump dismissed this as “alarmist.”

And on Feb. 2, Trump boasted to Sean Hannity: “We pretty much shut it down, coming in from China.” He hailed our “tremendous relationship” with that country. Trump continued praising China’s handling of coronavirus all through the entire month of February.

So at the very least, Trump showed precisely the same credulity about China that Trump is now faulting the WHO for showing, but without appreciating the urgency of the international threat coronavirus posed to the degree that the WHO did.

As MSNBC’s Ari Melber aptly put it, these attacks on the WHO are “only calling attention to the fact that the WHO was ahead of President Trump.”

About those travel restrictions

Trump announced restrictions on travel from China on Jan. 31, and he constantly bashes the WHO for disagreeing with this move.

But, while it’s true that the WHO did recommend against restrictions on travel, Trump’s decision simply doesn’t demonstrate anything remotely like what he claims it does.

First, at least 40,000 people traveled to the U.S. from China after this announcement, raising reasonable questions about how much it actually accomplished. More importantly, Trump disastrously squandered the time bought by this decision.

Indeed, Trump utterly failed to use that time to mitigate the spread that was already underway here. As the New York Times damningly documented, plans for a federal system to track the virus were “delayed for weeks,” which, along with the failure to ramp up testing, left officials with “almost no insight” into its spread.

And in late February, Trump privately raged against his own officials’ conclusion that Trump had to communicate the need for strict social distancing measures far more urgently, leading to “crucial additional weeks” in which the “virus spread largely unimpeded.”

Thus, Trump’s constant citation of his travel restrictions actually points to a major failure: The decision persuaded him he had shut out coronavirus successfully, helping spawn the lax posture that produced all that lost time, the horrifying consequences of which are unfolding right now.

Indeed, that decision to this day still continues to delude him into believing he managed this disaster effectively. That’s why he keeps citing it as representative of his glorious, decisive leadership — and contrasting it favorably with the WHO’s response.

Trump is attacking the WHO right now so we’ll talk about the WHO’s shortcomings, and not his own role in this catastrophe. But this blame-shifting utter nonsense, and no one should grant it the slightest shred of credibility."

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wgdsr wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:42 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:49 pm It's a good time to close down the World Health Organization, right?
they just recommended restricting alcohol access. no time is perfect and this one certainly applies, but they probably just lost a voting block.
The world moves on. The US just becomes more irrelevant.
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For rrr:
Social distancing is controlling Covid-19; now scientists need to figure out which measures are most effective
https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/09/soc ... effective/

The basic summary is the data is there to show that the measures taken have reduced the death toll. But since there is no consistency between actions taken, it is quite hard to say what is the relative benefit of each particular measure.

The basic effect - that R_nought, the transmission rate per person infected has been seen to drop below 1 (where it eventually disappears if that number stays there) at least in some areas with effective SD. Post pandemic statistics will help in teasing out some of the specifics, but in reality a lot is already known about pandemics because they don't ever really disappear, but just reappear over and over again.

So the recommendations of SD, and increased testing, and the eventual hiring of maybe a few hundred thousand contact tracers are not "new" things, but known workable measures from past pandemics. Get enough testing and contact tracing and you can remove quite a bit of the SD measures - but we are nowhere near that.

But knowing which measures of SD are the most effective in this particular pandemic would be great - it is just hard to measure it in the middle of the pandemic.
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runrussellrun wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:55 pm any of your fecesbook feeds publically announcing they are hurting. financially. emotionally? Oh, what that, fear porn lovers. That's NOT happening. wake the F up.
So I tell you that I'm in direct communication with the bulk of Denver's Health Community....and you come back with nonsense about my facebook feed?

Where are you getting YOUR information that you think it's so perfect that you're mocking where I'm getting mine?
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a fan wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:46 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:34 pm You call it a fight, b/c you can't support your claims. "See, ggaits got my back. HE....provided the numbers you seek " Again, weak sauce. you want to claim people who went to restaurants, died. Yet, have zero way of proving that statement to be true. So, STOP making these idiotic, fear porn statements, that just are NOT true.

But, regarding ggaits link: Oh, really? been to this website a bunch of times. fine print even admits a spike b/d they added April 13th, blah blah blah. They are all estimates, more predictions. You see the TOTAL number of Swedes tested for V-19, in your "numbers" you must have it bookmarked, why are you having such a hard time providing a link?
Dude. I've told you multiple times what I think, but you blow though it because you don't like the answer.

I don't get my news from facebook, ffs.

What have I told you? I get my news on the virus DIRECTLY from doctors, administrators and nurses. Why? Because I'm in here, 7 days a week, making hand sanitizer for them, and coordinating its delivery. And with every contact point I make, I ask questions. So I know EXACTLY what is going on in my community.

And all of these people who have actual DIRECT experience with this virus are BEGGING people to stay home so that things don't get out of control.
I can be cute, like you, and cut and paste your NUMBERS claim. Your words. Stop being weird. What you are doing now is not relevant, here, on these threads, you, and others, make unsubstatiated claims. Than run and play deflect. Oh well, he's nut, confusing at best. When I understand him, he makes complete sense, but, I have him on ignore, because. Soap opera stuff.

. Swedes who disregarded NPI's are dying. That IS your statement. You have NOTHING to back this claim up. SO, just stop making it. And, other claims that you can't back up either. Again, YOU clearly stated you read the numbers, yet refuse to provide. It's childish. Just STOP the fear porn. Make a statement, back it up.

I too, can make the healthcare, direct experience., and convey their thoughts. Opinions. The one I find the most interesting, IS the complete 180 turn my aunt, a life long ICU and surgery nurse, said, only three weeks ago, it was all "much a do about nothing". But, than, she got infected with the fear porn, infotainment. A widower, and very active. Daily. She was locked in her home.......completely changed her tune after listening to the fear porn all day long.

Funny, powerless weather a diety exists, but I am not worred about dying of V-19. Interesting that so many that claim they believe, fear death. Is heaven NOT great? Why worry? Reason why my 93 year old neighbor was over for lunch yesterday. No mask, etc. "hah, it its mine time, its my time " She doesn't watch TV infotainment. If the 93 year old, ignoring social distortion, lives, does SHE cancel others that haven't been close to another human being? She is getting pissed, especially that church is closed. SHe went every day. A social thing. Oh well

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Trump Administration Officials Warned Against Halting Funding to WHO, Leaked Memo Shows
A draft State Department memo says the move would “cede ground” to China and hobble the global response to the coronavirus pandemic.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trum ... memo-shows
An internal memorandum written by U.S. officials and addressed to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo warns that cutting funding to the World Health Organization, as President Donald Trump said he would do Tuesday, would erode America’s global standing, threaten U.S. lives and hobble global efforts to combat the coronavirus pandemic.

The memo, which was prepared before Trump’s Rose Garden announcement, was written by officials within the State Department’s Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs and includes a detailed list of how U.S. funding to the WHO helps countries in the Middle East control the pandemic.

A draft version of the memo, which was labeled “Sensitive But Unclassified” and was titled “Information Memo for the Secretary,” was seen by ProPublica.
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Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

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a fan wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:12 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:55 pm any of your fecesbook feeds publically announcing they are hurting. financially. emotionally? Oh, what that, fear porn lovers. That's NOT happening. wake the F up.
So I tell you that I'm in direct communication with the bulk of Denver's Health Community....and you come back with nonsense about my facebook feed?

Where are you getting YOUR information that you think it's so perfect that you're mocking where I'm getting mine?
You are the one that is making UN-substantiated claims. You call facts, when they are opinions. Not falling for you Karl Rove, look tRump bad mis- distraction nonsense. Included your communication with the bulk of.......I came back with, Provide the NUMBERS, that show Swedes that disregarded NPI's are dying. THe numbers, that's all.

To stay on point, the Denver medical community is informing you, that Swedes that ignored NPI protocols, are dying? Is this now, your source? THat they can determine this designation, and are tracking it in the data. Ok, interesting. Can we actually SEE this report. The numbers. How they gather it. IF it's a good model, or not

Instead, you deflect with nonsense. time after time. AND....without fail, accuse others of doing what you do. COnstantly

Stop presenting opinions as facts. If claiming its a fact, back it up with how you derived your conclusion.

It's as if our college education, term papers, and how to write them.....defend them, are wasted, or been completely ignored. Fecesbook is a joke for discussing topics like this. Aristotle is rolling in his grave. The art of rhetoric, my arse.........it's, emojis , lol shortcuts, and having to choose sides.

Numbers, swedes....dying. Here all day.
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