JUST the Stolen Documents/Mar-A-Lago/"Judge" Cannon Trial

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cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2024 2:26 pm How the eff did Barr politicize this Hunter Biden chit show? He was AG for a short time and this chit show with Hunter proceeded him for several years. FFS Barr has explained his methodology numerous times. You can disagree with his rationale all day long, but he did explain it to the extent that he could.
We've already discussed this, my man.

Remember the whistleblowers? The ones you and others kept citing as gospel?

They were LIVID that Barr personally stepped in, and moved the Prosecutorial and Investigatory work from the DC offices to Delaware, with Barr personally appointing Weiss to direct and coordinate the work. They were mad because they claimed all the tax expertise was in DC, not Delaware, so it made no sense to move it. Their opinion yes, but do you think the AG does this sort of thing for regular, not political prosecutions?

I don't. I'm good with all of this, because it takes more than a prosecutor to prove a case, but it's factually clear that Barr stepped in, is it not?
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a fan wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:52 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2024 2:26 pm How the eff did Barr politicize this Hunter Biden chit show? He was AG for a short time and this chit show with Hunter proceeded him for several years. FFS Barr has explained his methodology numerous times. You can disagree with his rationale all day long, but he did explain it to the extent that he could.
We've already discussed this, my man.

Remember the whistleblowers? The ones you and others kept citing as gospel?

They were LIVID that Barr personally stepped in, and moved the Prosecutorial and Investigatory work from the DC offices to Delaware, with Barr personally appointing Weiss to direct and coordinate the work. They were mad because they claimed all the tax expertise was in DC, not Delaware, so it made no sense to move it. Their opinion yes, but do you think the AG does this sort of thing for regular, not political prosecutions?

I don't. I'm good with all of this, because it takes more than a prosecutor to prove a case, but it's factually clear that Barr stepped in, is it not?
Barr explained his decision making to the extent he could. IMO Barr knew he was a short timer as AG. He understood what a hot potato it was. It isn't like Garland picked up the ball and ran with it. When the person involved in your investigation happens to be the future presidents son you have no choice but to tread lightly. The fact that the ongoing case against Hunter Biden is still a festering sore speaks for itself. Hunters worst nightmare has him cooling his heals in a prison cell. The bottom line is Hunter Biden brought this all on himself by his poor judgement and decision making.
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That couldn't be more wrong Cranky. From "just announce an investigation" in Ukraine, to the reliance on proven lies in the Biden "bribery" fiasco, to the entire Hunter Biden affair, to the constant stream of LIES concerning the Southern Border, all the republicons and Donald J. Guilty want to do is START A RUMOR...a WHIFF of a scandal, whereupon a well-oiled Vast Right Wing Echo Chamber takes over and pounds the lies and innuendo into the low-information population that IS the republicon "base". NONE of that statement is meant to say that there are Dems that don't do wrong or illegal things. The difference is the way the GOP absolutely LIVES on lies and rumors to further their overall political message that the Dems are destroying America or they hate America or whatever folderol they are bleating out to the ignorant masses.
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Aileen Cannon Blames Jack Smith That She Forked Over Stan Woodward

Stan Woodward is Walt Nauta's attorney.
First, Jack Smith overproduced discovery to Donald Trump and his co-defendants compared to normal defendants, providing most grand jury transcripts from the start, rather than in conjunction with and timed to select witnesses testifying. Under Jencks, he would normally not be required to turn that over until when witnesses testified, but instead, he provided a guy who has serially ginned up threats against witnesses means with which to do so from the start.

Second, Cannon has twice intervened out of course, reading reporting based on leaks and deciding it is her job to expose the underlying dispute.

In this case, it arises from an order she issued days after the superseding indictment, requiring both sides to submit details about a claim reported in the press but not yet raised by Stan Woodard that Jay Bratt had threatened Stan Woodward in an attempt to force Walt Nauta to flip on Donald Trump.

In response to Judge Cannon’s sua sponte intervention, Smith submitted several filings — including almost 200 pages showing that after Trump got warned he was going to be charged, he ginned up a bunch of misconduct allegations, including the one that got shared with the press. Those filings show Trump abusing the legal process, not Smith abusing his prosecutorial position.

These are grand jury proceedings about the investigation, not grand jury testimony of witnesses (though it describes the circumstances of certain witness testimony, including Margo Martin and Kash Patel). This filings show that the public claims Trump associates were making didn’t match the substance of a second dispute that happened before James Boasberg last summer.

The other filings were similar attempts by Trump to make allegations of misconduct (in conjunction with motions to dismiss) that he didn’t have to back publicly, but also to expose grand jury testimony. Smith’s opposition to releasing those materials stemmed from a justified intent not to allow Trump to abuse Smith’s expansive discovery to engage in witness tampering.

Of course, the problem would never have happened if Aileen Cannon hadn’t done something inappropriate in the first place, deciding to chase Fox News allegations in a court of law.

Cannon’s complaint amounts to a complaint that her initial intervention did not provide Trump an opportunity to threaten witnesses.

This is not the first time a little transparency revealed what a hack Cannon is being. In closely related developments last year, for example, the government made it clear she already had notice of Stan Woodward’s potential conflicts when she delayed proceedings for a month pretending it was new.


Ultimately, by the time all this gets unsealed, we’ll be able to reconstruct how Cannon’s serial attempts to put a thumb on the scale actually had the effect of making Woodward (and Trump’s lawyers) look dishonest. It’ll take time to do that, of course, which is likely why Cannon is wailing now, before we can reconstruct it.
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