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Re: 2024

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2024 6:00 pm
by OCanada
ggait wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 5:46 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 11:47 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 11:37 am
ggait wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 11:18 am JD Vance had to remind them there would be no fact checking during the debate. The moderators also chose to mute the microphones when they chose to do so. They did a good job proving they have Harris securely on lockdown in their own candidate protection program. They make the debate rules then throw them out the window.

C&S is completely wrong and uninformed as usual. Boycott stupid.

Vance was doing the usual troll job to pander to the grievance positive GOP base -- "weh weh weh; 3 on 1." If you don't want people to correctly call BS on you, do not tell huge volumes of obvious crazy lies. Vance said the Hatians in Ohio were illegal immigrants. CBS' Brennan correctly pointed out that they have legal status. Totally fine under the agreed rules.

The formal ground rules released by CBS News did not directly address the question of whether the moderators would unilaterally fact-check the proceedings. At the start of the telecast, Ms. Brennan and her co-moderator, Norah O’Donnell, told viewers they would offer each candidate “the opportunity to fact-check claims made by each other.”

C&S -- so what did you think of Vance's answer to the direct question from Walz of "did Trump win the 2020 election?" "Tim -- I'm focused on the future."

What about the future coming in early November? Plenty of indications that Trump is fully committed to overturning the upcoming election results if they go against him.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/01/us/p ... vance.html
Like I would believe anything being put out on this forum by a blood sucking parasitic corporate scum sucking lawyer. You reside right smack dab on the evolutionary scale of lowlife degenerates right underneath used car salesmen. :D Leave us alone and go chase an ambulance.
This response to ggait seems...overwrought. And what's wrong with used car salesmen?
I can’t stand new car salesmen.

I actually enjoy the process of buying my cars used. My go to is the very low miles used with a few years of warranty left.

My most recent purchase (for my daughter) was the first truly new car I’d bought in decades. Back during Covid, used cars got so expensive and short supply that it was cheaper and easier to buy new.
O my. Labeling you a blood sucking parasitic corporate scum seems like a personsl attack, i have bern admonished for far less. Wear it with pride. High praise from a bottom scrapper

Re: 2024

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2024 7:48 pm
by NattyBohChamps04
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Re: 2024

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2024 8:49 pm
by youthathletics
MSNBC clip with some prescient discussions, to include Kasich:


Re: 2024

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2024 9:57 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAnizGuu ... A4dnVvaGdw

Half the MAGA wing here didn’t have civics in HS.

Re: 2024

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2024 10:09 pm
by youthathletics
So that means Joe doesn’t know civics, when he told the world Kamala’s voice is his?

Re: 2024

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2024 10:44 pm
by Typical Lax Dad


Trump is still doing his “Thousands of people outside that want to get in…..fire marshal says we’re full …..and the MSM is there in the back” routine. This is his third election with the same schtick…..Old Salt, YA, C&S, Tech, Petey and people like them don’t mind.

Re: 2024

Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2024 7:10 am
by cradleandshoot
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 10:44 pm

Trump is still doing his “Thousands of people outside that want to get in…..fire marshal says we’re full …..and the MSM is there in the back” routine. This is his third election with the same schtick…..Old Salt, YA, C&S, Tech, Petey and people like them don’t mind.
Why does your comment include me? I'm not voting for trump and I can't stand trump. I'm not voting for that other candidate either. trump is an idiot who can't get over his own arrogance and stupidity to run an effective campaign. He doesn't have the humility to even pretend to be sincere.

Re: 2024

Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2024 8:03 am
by cradleandshoot
IMO the Harris people have developed a very effective anti trump campaign. trumps own hand picked administration members are ripping him a new one. This is knowledge that most of us already know about. trump is going around whining about crowd size. He should be trying to explain the sudden transformation of Kamala Harris from FLP radical liberal to middle of the road mild mannered politician. Harris could not give 2 chits about middle America. She is if I'm counting correctly the one millionth politician running for political office claiming to raise up the plight of middle America. She will be if elected the one millionth politician to fail to do so. At the end of the day there is only one fact about Harris that will be honest..her values are the foundation of her policies. Anyone out there really believe she supports fracking? She didn't support it 4 years ago. Caveat Emptor comes to mind...which dishonest candidate do you support? Whomever you choose those billionaires aren't sweating anything out. Their asses are covered by both parties.

Re: 2024

Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2024 10:02 am
by OCanada
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 8:03 am IMO the Harris people have developed a very effective anti trump campaign. trumps own hand picked administration members are ripping him a new one. This is knowledge that most of us already know about. trump is going around whining about crowd size. He should be trying to explain the sudden transformation of Kamala Harris from FLP radical liberal to middle of the road mild mannered politician. Harris could not give 2 chits about middle America. She is if I'm counting correctly the one millionth politician running for political office claiming to raise up the plight of middle America. She will be if elected the one millionth politician to fail to do so. At the end of the day there is only one fact about Harris that will be honest..her values are the foundation of her policies. Anyone out there really believe she supports fracking? She didn't support it 4 years ago. Caveat Emptor comes to mind...which dishonest candidate do you support? Whomever you choose those billionaires aren't sweating anything out. Their asses are covered by both parties.
If you are fact checking honesty as a thing then thete is no contest. Trump is corrupt to the core and always has been. It is incorrect to say no pol has raised the middle class. The middle class was strong but GOP policies undercut it and still do. We fo know Trump will never do anything to help the average American or at least never has.

Re: 2024

Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2024 10:03 am
by old salt
a fan wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 12:57 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 9:35 pm How's your house hunting in Aurora going ?
Have you found a multilingual Aurora public school for your daughter yet ?
They're better than your wife's friends, having them over for tea while you tell them that immigrants never committed one crime until just three years ago now that the Magic Dems arrived in the White House, and that brown people are inherently bad. And that a decade of consuming RightWingMedia took her husband from being a reasonable, thoughtful, considerate man with an elite education, into an uneducated Jim Crow rube who's afraid of anything that he's told to be afraid of, and is filled with rage and sadness.

Then tell your wife about a program that my wife is working on without government funds, where HVAC companies in the NorthEast are hiring those dreaded brown Haitians you're so scared of as interns. Tell her that as of today, 90% of the Haitians finish the internship by staying with the company they're training with, and are.....hold your hat, OS, this is going to be REALLY hard for you to hear....the best and hardest working employees they've had in years. Oh no! Not THAT!

Tell your wife you're letting FoxNews and "some guy on the internet" scare a guy who used to face down the Soviet Union in a plane that crashes with enough regularity that she should have been terrified, and that your entire life now revolves around what RightWingMedia tells you to think, and that fear is consuming you.

And most of all? Tell her you fear change, and where you viewed change when you were a kid as a good thing, and an opportunity for a better country and a better life for your family.....you now want to turtle up and take America back to the days when anyone who wasn't a WASP male wasn't allowed to participate.

Then tell her that you were lying when you said "oh, I just want immigrants to come here legally".....which is exactly what the Haitians, Venezuelans and Ukrainians did that you're railing against here.....yet you're still telling us that they're bad and ruining my daughter's neighborhood. Which is not happening, but whatever you want to believe, I guess.

And I'll tell my wife and daughter to keep playing with the kids in her school who are from 23 different countries at last count. And to learn from them as much as she can. And I take great joy from the fact that my 9 yo daughter is less frightened of her fellow Americans than a Navy Vet that served his country with distinction for well over two decades. Never thought I'd see the day when I could say that....that a 9 yo girl is less frightened by what we all know is partisan nonsense than a retired Naval aviator is, but here we are.

This is what you really, honestly believe, and you're not gaslighting? I guess my daughter is really brave. You do you, I guess.
How many TdA members ya got working for you ? There's plenty of them next door in Aurora looking for work.
Afraid ? Who's afraid ? I traverse & shop in our local migrant neighborhoods daily.
The only thing I fear Is running over a jaywalker or unlighted bicyclist after dark, or getting rear ended by a 3rd world driver.
You can't even state with any accuracy how many migrants we have in the country & where they're from because we've lost count.

Re: 2024

Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2024 10:46 am
by a fan
old salt wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 10:03 am
a fan wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 12:57 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 9:35 pm How's your house hunting in Aurora going ?
Have you found a multilingual Aurora public school for your daughter yet ?
They're better than your wife's friends, having them over for tea while you tell them that immigrants never committed one crime until just three years ago now that the Magic Dems arrived in the White House, and that brown people are inherently bad. And that a decade of consuming RightWingMedia took her husband from being a reasonable, thoughtful, considerate man with an elite education, into an uneducated Jim Crow rube who's afraid of anything that he's told to be afraid of, and is filled with rage and sadness.

Then tell your wife about a program that my wife is working on without government funds, where HVAC companies in the NorthEast are hiring those dreaded brown Haitians you're so scared of as interns. Tell her that as of today, 90% of the Haitians finish the internship by staying with the company they're training with, and are.....hold your hat, OS, this is going to be REALLY hard for you to hear....the best and hardest working employees they've had in years. Oh no! Not THAT!

Tell your wife you're letting FoxNews and "some guy on the internet" scare a guy who used to face down the Soviet Union in a plane that crashes with enough regularity that she should have been terrified, and that your entire life now revolves around what RightWingMedia tells you to think, and that fear is consuming you.

And most of all? Tell her you fear change, and where you viewed change when you were a kid as a good thing, and an opportunity for a better country and a better life for your family.....you now want to turtle up and take America back to the days when anyone who wasn't a WASP male wasn't allowed to participate.

Then tell her that you were lying when you said "oh, I just want immigrants to come here legally".....which is exactly what the Haitians, Venezuelans and Ukrainians did that you're railing against here.....yet you're still telling us that they're bad and ruining my daughter's neighborhood. Which is not happening, but whatever you want to believe, I guess.

And I'll tell my wife and daughter to keep playing with the kids in her school who are from 23 different countries at last count. And to learn from them as much as she can. And I take great joy from the fact that my 9 yo daughter is less frightened of her fellow Americans than a Navy Vet that served his country with distinction for well over two decades. Never thought I'd see the day when I could say that....that a 9 yo girl is less frightened by what we all know is partisan nonsense than a retired Naval aviator is, but here we are.

This is what you really, honestly believe, and you're not gaslighting? I guess my daughter is really brave. You do you, I guess.
How many TdA members ya got working for you ? There's plenty of them next door in Aurora looking for work.
Afraid ? Who's afraid ?
You. Now of course, you're calming down after being called out for your stupid, pointless posts that you don't really believe....gaslighting.
old salt wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 10:03 am I traverse & shop in our local migrant neighborhoods daily.
Right. Everything is fine. You're gaslighting, and trying to sell me a box of Trump.
old salt wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 10:03 am The only thing I fear Is running over a jaywalker or unlighted bicyclist after dark, or getting rear ended by a 3rd world driver.
Same drivers have been here for decades. BFD.
old salt wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 10:03 am You can't even state with any accuracy how many migrants we have in the country & where they're from because we've lost count.
Except you're also yelling at our government when they try and use the same tech Fortune 500 companies use to track things.

In short, you've spent years complaining and b*tching about stuff that you're not really worried about at all. Total waste of your own time trying to gaslight the forum.

Keep doing it, I guess. Whatever releases the endorphins......

Re: 2024

Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2024 10:58 am
by Typical Lax Dad

Re: 2024

Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2024 11:44 am
by ggait
[Donald Trump's] disdain for the sanctity of our Constitution, the sanctity of democracy, the sanctity of the rule of law, and the sanctity of the peaceful transfer of power should disqualify him from the office of president ever again.

The Boss completely nails my Never Trump position.

You can get your tax cuts, decreased regulations, heightened borden security or whatever other policy you seek from lots of other Republicans. The GOP's support of this awful unqualified person the first time was inadvisable. The second time perhaps understandable. Since parties very rarely throw over incumbent presidents no matter how deserving. But this third time?

I used to be a swing voter (Romney 2012) in a swing state. The GOP's embrace of this person after his obvious 2020 loss and subsequent impeachable conduct is unforegivable. Unless a future GOP nominee is Liz Cheney, the GOP is dead to me for life.

Country over party. Vote blue.

Re: 2024

Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2024 12:42 pm
by 3rdPersonPlural
old salt wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 10:03 am
a fan wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 12:57 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 9:35 pm How's your house hunting in Aurora going ?
Have you found a multilingual Aurora public school for your daughter yet ?
They're better than your wife's friends, having them over for tea while you tell them that immigrants never committed one crime until just three years ago now that the Magic Dems arrived in the White House, and that brown people are inherently bad. And that a decade of consuming RightWingMedia took her husband from being a reasonable, thoughtful, considerate man with an elite education, into an uneducated Jim Crow rube who's afraid of anything that he's told to be afraid of, and is filled with rage and sadness.

Then tell your wife about a program that my wife is working on without government funds, where HVAC companies in the NorthEast are hiring those dreaded brown Haitians you're so scared of as interns. Tell her that as of today, 90% of the Haitians finish the internship by staying with the company they're training with, and are.....hold your hat, OS, this is going to be REALLY hard for you to hear....the best and hardest working employees they've had in years. Oh no! Not THAT!

Tell your wife you're letting FoxNews and "some guy on the internet" scare a guy who used to face down the Soviet Union in a plane that crashes with enough regularity that she should have been terrified, and that your entire life now revolves around what RightWingMedia tells you to think, and that fear is consuming you.

And most of all? Tell her you fear change, and where you viewed change when you were a kid as a good thing, and an opportunity for a better country and a better life for your family.....you now want to turtle up and take America back to the days when anyone who wasn't a WASP male wasn't allowed to participate.

Then tell her that you were lying when you said "oh, I just want immigrants to come here legally".....which is exactly what the Haitians, Venezuelans and Ukrainians did that you're railing against here.....yet you're still telling us that they're bad and ruining my daughter's neighborhood. Which is not happening, but whatever you want to believe, I guess.

And I'll tell my wife and daughter to keep playing with the kids in her school who are from 23 different countries at last count. And to learn from them as much as she can. And I take great joy from the fact that my 9 yo daughter is less frightened of her fellow Americans than a Navy Vet that served his country with distinction for well over two decades. Never thought I'd see the day when I could say that....that a 9 yo girl is less frightened by what we all know is partisan nonsense than a retired Naval aviator is, but here we are.

This is what you really, honestly believe, and you're not gaslighting? I guess my daughter is really brave. You do you, I guess.
How many TdA members ya got working for you ? There's plenty of them next door in Aurora looking for work.
Afraid ? Who's afraid ? I traverse & shop in our local migrant neighborhoods daily.
The only thing I fear Is running over a jaywalker or unlighted bicyclist after dark, or getting rear ended by a 3rd world driver.
You can't even state with any accuracy how many migrants we have in the country & where they're from because we've lost count.
Mister Salt, have we (as a nation) EVER known a count of what citizens were born here and what citizens just showed up?

Further, since we're a nation of immigrants (sorry, creators of Baggataway), why are we kvetching about the very inflow that turned us from a bunch of salty colonists to the worlds superpower?

Reagan recognized the legacy and importance of Immigration.

Here are some sincere questions:
  • Are you disturbed by the number of Immigrants or the character of the Immigrants?

    Would you endorse cutting Immigration off entirely until the Lankford Plan gets Republican support? Is there a plan you'd prefer to support? There is no "all you do is just..." solution...

    Do you think we should admit only gifted Immigrants, or only stoop and repetitive labor Immigrants, or a measure of both? Both? What is your desire?

    Do you have a plan to replace the output of all the new americans if they're all exported?

    Would you support investing ICE funds in Central American countries to reduce their incentive to flee?


I think that we both agree that some sort of throttle based on preferences needs to be drafted, approved, and enforced. But it's the 'drafted and approved' stage that is the challenge. We need stoop and repetive-task labor. We want clever people. We want to block bad people. HOW?!

We have limited tools to filter applicants. There are a billion ways to get into our nation even if we put a regiment at every entry option. There are tens of thousands of jobs an undocumented immigrant can get. The only way to enforce something like Trump is proposing is to card everyone and detain those who don't pass. I'm fine -- I'll pass. So, this doesn't put me or most of my friends at risk. But it is a severe inconvenience and an obvious slippery slope.

I don't like slippery slopes when the end is Fascism.

Re: 2024

Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2024 1:05 pm
by Seacoaster(1)
One woman, and all the cowardly men (Sununu….):

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/a-woman-among-cowardly-men

““Thank you Liz!” the crowd shouted, drowning out the former congresswoman who had come to Ripon, Wisconsin to deliver the most unlikely cri de coeur in political memory.

Cheney endorsed Harris weeks ago. But this was the first time she spoke at an official Harris for President event. There she stood, stern but emotional, positioned behind the seal of the office her father once held—a crowd of appreciative Democrats before her.

It was a powerful scene. It was deserved. And it was overdue. Cheney has earned a moment with flowers and applause for her willingness to call out the threat posed by Trump. Yesterday she finally got it, replete with a few choked back tears.

But the visible emotions passed quickly. This was not a time for valedictory celebration. There is real business before us. Nobody understands that more than Liz. For her, this isn’t about ego or pageantry. She earnestly believes it’s the most important thing she will ever do. Her dad said as much.

On Thursday, she spoke in stark and powerful terms. First, she reiterated that her values and policy views haven’t changed, and they needn’t change, to make this endorsement.

I was a Republican even-before Donald Trump started spray tanning. I am a Ronald Reagan conservative.… Above all else, I know that the most conservative of conservative values is fidelity to our Constitution. I tell you, I have never voted for a Democrat. But this year, I am proudly casting my vote for Vice President Kamala Harris.

Then, she laid out the clear choice before the country.

In this election, a broad coalition has come together to support Vice President Kamala Harris. Now, we may disagree on some things, but we are bound together by the one thing that matters to us as Americans more than any other, and that's our duty to our Constitution and our belief in the miracle and the blessing of this incredible nation… So, today I ask all of you here and everyone listening across this great country to join us. I ask you to meet this moment. I ask you to stand in truth to reject the depraved cruelty of Donald Trump. And I ask you instead to help us elect Kamala Harris as President

As I processed this speech, I couldn’t shake the sad spectacle hovering over it. Given the stakes and the unimpeachable arguments presented, it is striking that Cheney is so alone among her peers.1

Back when Charlie helmed this newsletter, he wrote a series about the singular bravery of Mitt Romney. “Romney, Alone.” “Romney, One Man Alone” “Romney, Alone Again.”

In the series’ final installment he wrote this.

Almost alone among his colleagues, Romney seems focused on the verdict of history…What would happen if three or four—or eight or nine—Republicans senators joined Romney? How would Trump react to a critical mass of senators who pushed back? What would happen if a half dozen senators who remembered the legacy of Margaret Chase Smith joined together to condemn “Fear, Ignorance, Bigotry and Smear”? Would Trump tweet insults at them all? And how would their Senate colleagues react then? As the impeachment inquiry progresses and we find more evidence of exactly what Trump did with regard to foreign interference in U.S. elections, we may well find out. Until then, Romney stands alone. Again.

Today, Romney doesn’t stand alone. He stands on the sidelines. Rather than focusing on the verdict in November, he prefers to try and ensure he is “in a position after this election to have some influence on the direction of our party in the future.”

God (and Liz) willing, when this election is over there will be something left to influence.

Mike Pence wasn’t in Ripon either. But he was there in spirit. In absentia, Trump’s former vice president received a spirited round of applause from the Democrats in Wisconsin after Cheney congratulated him for refusing to violate his constitutional oath. (Democrats applauding Mike Pence. Yes, you read that right).

The list of others who were missing is too long and too depressing to enumerate, so I shan't. Instead, I’ll return to The Bulwark’s persistent yawp. After all these years and all these disappointments it remains impossible to process that at this moment, with everything on the line, it is Liz, alone. How could it be? How can they risk putting Donald Trump back in the Oval Office after he ate well-done cheeseburgers in front of his TV while a mob he sent ransacked the capitol, assaulted police and tried to hang his vice president?

How????

As long as I live I will never fully comprehend it. There should have been a line of honest and wise men a mile long standing behind Cheney on Thursday. But their cowardice, their venality, their shameful abdication of responsibility only served to make this moment in Ripon more powerful.

Because instead of that mile long line of men, there stood two women with vanishingly little in common. There they were, in the place where an honest, abolitionist Republican party formed, in political unity, bound by a mutual love of country and a commitment to its best ideals.

Two women standing in the breach to protect the country from the men trying to tear it apart.

Two women alone, standing together for all of us.”

Re: 2024

Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2024 2:48 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/04/politics ... index.html

Old Salt, YA, C&S, Tech, Petey and people like them don’t mind this kind of action. In fact, they have cheered for many of the things Trump has done although they don’t support him…they also don’t criticize him, in my opinion and with all due respect.

Re: 2024

Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2024 3:43 pm
by cradleandshoot
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 1:05 pm One woman, and all the cowardly men (Sununu….):

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/a-woman-among-cowardly-men

““Thank you Liz!” the crowd shouted, drowning out the former congresswoman who had come to Ripon, Wisconsin to deliver the most unlikely cri de coeur in political memory.

Cheney endorsed Harris weeks ago. But this was the first time she spoke at an official Harris for President event. There she stood, stern but emotional, positioned behind the seal of the office her father once held—a crowd of appreciative Democrats before her.

It was a powerful scene. It was deserved. And it was overdue. Cheney has earned a moment with flowers and applause for her willingness to call out the threat posed by Trump. Yesterday she finally got it, replete with a few choked back tears.

But the visible emotions passed quickly. This was not a time for valedictory celebration. There is real business before us. Nobody understands that more than Liz. For her, this isn’t about ego or pageantry. She earnestly believes it’s the most important thing she will ever do. Her dad said as much.

On Thursday, she spoke in stark and powerful terms. First, she reiterated that her values and policy views haven’t changed, and they needn’t change, to make this endorsement.

I was a Republican even-before Donald Trump started spray tanning. I am a Ronald Reagan conservative.… Above all else, I know that the most conservative of conservative values is fidelity to our Constitution. I tell you, I have never voted for a Democrat. But this year, I am proudly casting my vote for Vice President Kamala Harris.

Then, she laid out the clear choice before the country.

In this election, a broad coalition has come together to support Vice President Kamala Harris. Now, we may disagree on some things, but we are bound together by the one thing that matters to us as Americans more than any other, and that's our duty to our Constitution and our belief in the miracle and the blessing of this incredible nation… So, today I ask all of you here and everyone listening across this great country to join us. I ask you to meet this moment. I ask you to stand in truth to reject the depraved cruelty of Donald Trump. And I ask you instead to help us elect Kamala Harris as President

As I processed this speech, I couldn’t shake the sad spectacle hovering over it. Given the stakes and the unimpeachable arguments presented, it is striking that Cheney is so alone among her peers.1

Back when Charlie helmed this newsletter, he wrote a series about the singular bravery of Mitt Romney. “Romney, Alone.” “Romney, One Man Alone” “Romney, Alone Again.”

In the series’ final installment he wrote this.

Almost alone among his colleagues, Romney seems focused on the verdict of history…What would happen if three or four—or eight or nine—Republicans senators joined Romney? How would Trump react to a critical mass of senators who pushed back? What would happen if a half dozen senators who remembered the legacy of Margaret Chase Smith joined together to condemn “Fear, Ignorance, Bigotry and Smear”? Would Trump tweet insults at them all? And how would their Senate colleagues react then? As the impeachment inquiry progresses and we find more evidence of exactly what Trump did with regard to foreign interference in U.S. elections, we may well find out. Until then, Romney stands alone. Again.

Today, Romney doesn’t stand alone. He stands on the sidelines. Rather than focusing on the verdict in November, he prefers to try and ensure he is “in a position after this election to have some influence on the direction of our party in the future.”

God (and Liz) willing, when this election is over there will be something left to influence.

Mike Pence wasn’t in Ripon either. But he was there in spirit. In absentia, Trump’s former vice president received a spirited round of applause from the Democrats in Wisconsin after Cheney congratulated him for refusing to violate his constitutional oath. (Democrats applauding Mike Pence. Yes, you read that right).

The list of others who were missing is too long and too depressing to enumerate, so I shan't. Instead, I’ll return to The Bulwark’s persistent yawp. After all these years and all these disappointments it remains impossible to process that at this moment, with everything on the line, it is Liz, alone. How could it be? How can they risk putting Donald Trump back in the Oval Office after he ate well-done cheeseburgers in front of his TV while a mob he sent ransacked the capitol, assaulted police and tried to hang his vice president?

How????

As long as I live I will never fully comprehend it. There should have been a line of honest and wise men a mile long standing behind Cheney on Thursday. But their cowardice, their venality, their shameful abdication of responsibility only served to make this moment in Ripon more powerful.

Because instead of that mile long line of men, there stood two women with vanishingly little in common. There they were, in the place where an honest, abolitionist Republican party formed, in political unity, bound by a mutual love of country and a commitment to its best ideals.

Two women standing in the breach to protect the country from the men trying to tear it apart.

Two women alone, standing together for all of us.”
I gots a newsflash for ya bubba. Liz Cheneys dad did more to destroy this nation than trump could ever think of. Of course you already know that. I don't ever recall you being an admirer of the Dick Cheney clan. The enemy of my enemy is now my friend... :D Politics sure does make strange bedfellows. Now counselor coaster has a huge crush on Liz Cheney. What in the world will happen next? Have you forgiven Dick Cheney as well for all of his nefarious deeds? :roll:

Re: 2024

Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2024 3:54 pm
by Seacoaster(1)
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 3:43 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 1:05 pm One woman, and all the cowardly men (Sununu….):

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/a-woman-among-cowardly-men

““Thank you Liz!” the crowd shouted, drowning out the former congresswoman who had come to Ripon, Wisconsin to deliver the most unlikely cri de coeur in political memory.

Cheney endorsed Harris weeks ago. But this was the first time she spoke at an official Harris for President event. There she stood, stern but emotional, positioned behind the seal of the office her father once held—a crowd of appreciative Democrats before her.

It was a powerful scene. It was deserved. And it was overdue. Cheney has earned a moment with flowers and applause for her willingness to call out the threat posed by Trump. Yesterday she finally got it, replete with a few choked back tears.

But the visible emotions passed quickly. This was not a time for valedictory celebration. There is real business before us. Nobody understands that more than Liz. For her, this isn’t about ego or pageantry. She earnestly believes it’s the most important thing she will ever do. Her dad said as much.

On Thursday, she spoke in stark and powerful terms. First, she reiterated that her values and policy views haven’t changed, and they needn’t change, to make this endorsement.

I was a Republican even-before Donald Trump started spray tanning. I am a Ronald Reagan conservative.… Above all else, I know that the most conservative of conservative values is fidelity to our Constitution. I tell you, I have never voted for a Democrat. But this year, I am proudly casting my vote for Vice President Kamala Harris.

Then, she laid out the clear choice before the country.

In this election, a broad coalition has come together to support Vice President Kamala Harris. Now, we may disagree on some things, but we are bound together by the one thing that matters to us as Americans more than any other, and that's our duty to our Constitution and our belief in the miracle and the blessing of this incredible nation… So, today I ask all of you here and everyone listening across this great country to join us. I ask you to meet this moment. I ask you to stand in truth to reject the depraved cruelty of Donald Trump. And I ask you instead to help us elect Kamala Harris as President

As I processed this speech, I couldn’t shake the sad spectacle hovering over it. Given the stakes and the unimpeachable arguments presented, it is striking that Cheney is so alone among her peers.1

Back when Charlie helmed this newsletter, he wrote a series about the singular bravery of Mitt Romney. “Romney, Alone.” “Romney, One Man Alone” “Romney, Alone Again.”

In the series’ final installment he wrote this.

Almost alone among his colleagues, Romney seems focused on the verdict of history…What would happen if three or four—or eight or nine—Republicans senators joined Romney? How would Trump react to a critical mass of senators who pushed back? What would happen if a half dozen senators who remembered the legacy of Margaret Chase Smith joined together to condemn “Fear, Ignorance, Bigotry and Smear”? Would Trump tweet insults at them all? And how would their Senate colleagues react then? As the impeachment inquiry progresses and we find more evidence of exactly what Trump did with regard to foreign interference in U.S. elections, we may well find out. Until then, Romney stands alone. Again.

Today, Romney doesn’t stand alone. He stands on the sidelines. Rather than focusing on the verdict in November, he prefers to try and ensure he is “in a position after this election to have some influence on the direction of our party in the future.”

God (and Liz) willing, when this election is over there will be something left to influence.

Mike Pence wasn’t in Ripon either. But he was there in spirit. In absentia, Trump’s former vice president received a spirited round of applause from the Democrats in Wisconsin after Cheney congratulated him for refusing to violate his constitutional oath. (Democrats applauding Mike Pence. Yes, you read that right).

The list of others who were missing is too long and too depressing to enumerate, so I shan't. Instead, I’ll return to The Bulwark’s persistent yawp. After all these years and all these disappointments it remains impossible to process that at this moment, with everything on the line, it is Liz, alone. How could it be? How can they risk putting Donald Trump back in the Oval Office after he ate well-done cheeseburgers in front of his TV while a mob he sent ransacked the capitol, assaulted police and tried to hang his vice president?

How????

As long as I live I will never fully comprehend it. There should have been a line of honest and wise men a mile long standing behind Cheney on Thursday. But their cowardice, their venality, their shameful abdication of responsibility only served to make this moment in Ripon more powerful.

Because instead of that mile long line of men, there stood two women with vanishingly little in common. There they were, in the place where an honest, abolitionist Republican party formed, in political unity, bound by a mutual love of country and a commitment to its best ideals.

Two women standing in the breach to protect the country from the men trying to tear it apart.

Two women alone, standing together for all of us.”
I gots a newsflash for ya bubba. Liz Cheneys dad did more to destroy this nation than trump could ever think of. Of course you already know that. I don't ever recall you being an admirer of the Dick Cheney clan. The enemy of my enemy is now my friend... :D Politics sure does make strange bedfellows. Now counselor coaster has a huge crush on Liz Cheney. What in the world will happen next? Have you forgiven Dick Cheney as well for all of his nefarious deeds? :roll:
Always the strange posts off the deep end. No, I don't have a "crush" on Liz Cheney; I do admire the fact -- the fact -- that she valued her soul more than a nice job in Congress. I disagreed with what her dad did as Vice President for GWB. But for all of his grave and tragic mistakes, he and Bush did not try to subvert the Constitution, threaten to suspend it, call for a national day of purifying violence, or give and comfort to White Nationalists. The current GOP nominee is functionally a terrorist. So the enemies of that terrorist are, in the case of the Cheneys and others, my friend for sure.

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I gots a newsflash for ya bubba. Liz Cheneys dad did more to destroy this nation than trump could ever think of. Of course you already know that. I don't ever recall you being an admirer of the Dick Cheney clan. The enemy of my enemy is now my friend... :D Politics sure does make strange bedfellows. Now counselor coaster has a huge crush on Liz Cheney. What in the world will happen next? Have you forgiven Dick Cheney as well for all of his nefarious deeds? :roll:
For a guy who says he doesn't support Trump, CS sure spends a ton of time and energy carrying MAGA water.

Boycott stupid!