Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine
Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:12 pm
No. What I'm telling you is that you, your party, your leaders, and your Republican foreign policy wonks have a abysmal record in determining "what our strategic interests are"....and have for 50 years. Wrong move after wrong move after wrong move.old salt wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:45 pmSo you tell us what vital US strategic interest justifies the costs & risks in prolonging this proxy war.a fan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:04 pmSo you can't name any strategic interests. Fine. The first time in the history of the board that you can't name one....and this is just a coincidence. That's what you're going with? Fine.old salt wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 6:04 am Here's what our bipartisan elite leadership was telling us going into this war about our strategic interests in Ukraine.
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/event/u ... n-ukraine/
Do you hear anything in their litany that justifies taking us to the brink of nuclear war ?
Tenet, Kissinger & GHW Bush (in his chicken Kiev speech) all tried to warn us.
So I find it hilarious that you and your party are here lecturing us on the right moves....lecturing about costs and unneeded blood spilt.
The last time you personally made the right call was way the F back in 1991 with the Gulf War. If you had YOUR way, we'd still be in Aghanistan, watching a dozen US citizens die for no reason whatsoever, all while blowing billions that are never actually accounted for.....the Pentagon can't balance their books and withstand an audit because they want a bottomless pot of money to blow for no reason.
If you had put me in charge? No 9/11. No bases anywhere in the ME. No global cop. No weakening of NATO because we want to call all the shots (as if you don't know why NATO has been mailing it in all these years). No Korea. No Vietnam. No Gulf War. No second Gulf War. No need for pointless whack-a-mole operations in Syria like we had this week. How many civilians were killed in that strike in Syria? Do you care? You don't know, and you don't care.
None of it would have happened. And we'd be MILES ahead on infrastructure because real market forces would have pushed us away from Urban and rural sprawl...and more into mass transit, rail, and alternative energy sources. All while holding to the Republican ideal of letting market forces drive our decisions. So....no killing of a few hundred thousand foreigners all so that we can save a buck at the gas pump.
And the best part? My opinions were all there for you to see...no revisionist history, you got to see my feelings on the Iraq War in real time. And I was right. As if that was a difficult call to make. Same goes for the Iranian nuke deal...remember what I told you? I told you that if Iran doesn't get a nuke within a year? The REAL problem is that US Intel sucks the big one, and is giving our leaders sh*t advice. And look at what happened? 5+ freaking years, and no bomb. That's a pretty big "ooops" that forced Obama and the EU into making a deal with Iran. We can't trust our own intel. Pretty big lesson to learn before we invade someone again, don't you think?
And yep If I were in charge, no Ukraine help, either. But if you want to look down your nose at those who want us to help the Ukrainians, knock yourself out. But that makes your record about 1 for 84 in deciding if intervention was "in our vital interest", my man. Nothing to brag about.
I'm thoroughly enjoying you getting a taste of what it's like to call for peace when the Republican party is foaming at the mouth, making wild, idiotic claims about WMD's as if Iraq could shoot them at the US. You'll get called unpatriotic, stupid, naive, weak, soft, unable to assess risks, unAmerican.....and everything else you've thrown at me and the rest of us who know that there are better, smarter, wiser long term choices than killing people.
I hope you actually learn something from this. You and the VDH's in the party.