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Henpecked wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:55 am It does seem a bit silly. But wait until one of them makes a run to get to 6-6 and into the finals of the Conference tournament where they will inevitably fall to Maryland.

There will be a lot of hand-wringing about a 6-7 team getting an at-large bid. But it will happen at the cost of maybe a second or third Patriot team getting in. You will see.

JeremyCuse wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:02 am

Henpecked wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:55 am It does seem a bit silly. But wait until one of them makes a run to get to 6-6 and into the finals of the Conference tournament where they will inevitably fall to Maryland.

There will be a lot of hand-wringing about a 6-7 team getting an at-large bid. But it will happen at the cost of maybe a second or third Patriot team getting in. You will see.

You have to be at least .500 to be eligible for the tourney so you won't have to worry about that scenario.

Henpecked wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:55 am There will be a lot of hand-wringing about a 6-7 team getting an at-large bid. But it will happen at the cost of maybe a second or third Patriot team getting in. You will see.

xxxxxxx wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:16 am

So Navy and Hofstra jump up 2 spots after not playing and Richmond jumps 5 spots after win over Bellarmine, really? Georgetown falls 6 spots for a loss to Denver? Plus the Big 10 looking like a 2 team bid league unless someone 3-6 can win tournament.

xxxxxxx wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:16 am NIKE/US LACROSSE
DIVISION I MEN’S TOP 20

MARCH 22, 2021
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1 Duke 8-0 1 3/25 vs. No. 5 Syracuse
2 Maryland 5-0 2 3/28 at No. 6 Rutgers
3 North Carolina 8-0 3 4/1 at No. 1 Duke
4 Army 3-1 5 3/27 vs. Bucknell
5 Syracuse 4-1 6 3/25 at No. 1 Duke
6 Rutgers 4-1 7 3/28 vs. No. 2 Maryland
7 Virginia 6-2 8 3/27 at No. 9 Notre Dame
8 Denver 6-2 9 3/27 at Providence
9 Notre Dame 4-0 10 3/27 vs. No. 7 Virginia
10 Georgetown 5-1 4 3/27 vs. Villanova
11 Lehigh 3-0 11 3/28 at Colgate
12 UMass 2-0 12 3/23 at Albany
13 Loyola 4-2 13 3/27 at Towson
14 Richmond 3-3 19 3/26 vs. High Point
15 Navy 2-0 17 3/27 vs. Holy Cross
16 Hofstra 3-1 18 3/26 at Fairfield
17 Ohio State 2-3 14 3/27 at Michigan
18 Johns Hopkins 2-3 15 3/28 at Penn State
19 Delaware 6-1 20 4/2 vs. Fairfield
20 Bryant 4-1 NR 3/27 at Merrimack
ALSO CONSIDERED (ALPHABETICAL ORDER): ALBANY (3-1), BOSTON UNIVERSITY (4-1), PENN STATE (1-4), STONY BROOK (4-3), UMBC (3-0), VERMONT (3-2), VILLANOVA (3-1)

So Navy and Hofstra jump up 2 spots after not playing and Richmond jumps 5 spots after win over Bellarmine, really? Georgetown falls 6 spots for a loss to Denver? Plus the Big 10 looking like a 2 team bid league unless someone 3-6 can win tournament.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:16 am

Henpecked wrote: ↑ There will be a lot of hand-wringing about a 6-7 team getting an at-large bid. But it will happen at the cost of maybe a second or third Patriot team getting in. You will see.

There seems to be a lot of present hand-wringing about theoretical future hand-wringing. The Big Ten is only getting one at-large max and it won't be a team that's below .500.

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:40 am

xxxxxxx wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:16 am

So Navy and Hofstra jump up 2 spots after not playing and Richmond jumps 5 spots after win over Bellarmine, really? Georgetown falls 6 spots for a loss to Denver? Plus the Big 10 looking like a 2 team bid league unless someone 3-6 can win tournament.

Take these rankigns with a grain of salt. Its not really who you beat. Its WHEN you lose, and who wins on those weeks.

But as far as the sniff test goes. Agree, B1G looks like a 2 team conference unless hopkins or PSU can win the rtourney. PL looks like a 3 team conference with the Ivies gone.

jrn19 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:03 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:41 pm

jrn19 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:06 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 8:22 pm

Wheels wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:05 pm Drop Hop and Penn State. Hop's best win is over PSU. PSU's only win is against OSU.

I, mean, at least Hop didn't lose to Michigan.

i'm trying to figure out what it would take to drop them.

The bottom 25% of the Top 20 not being awful? I mean Navy was ranked 16th this week and they’ve played two games against Mount St. Mary’s and Jacksonville.

Jacksonville is 4-3 with their losses to UNC, Navy and Duke Which is arguably better than JHUs 2-3 w a 6 goal home loss to OSU.

Boston U
Bryant
UMBC
LIU
Jax
Stony brook
UVM
Del
Hofstra
Albany
Richmond
Villanova

All have equal or better resumes at this stage and were 5-7 games into the season. Not to mention hops 2-4 w that impressive win over MSM in 2020 and the appearance that the BigTen is as weak as it’s been since its formation this year. Very hard to keep Hop ranked with all of this unless you so love Penn St to overcome the rest with the three losses being generally uncompetitive.

They may get better but 4-6 weeks and this far in with a team that wasn’t good last year is a very tough case to justify.

Jacksonville's wins are Bellarmine, Mercer, Utah, and....Mercer again. Not exactly sure that's better than Michigan or Penn State as disappointing as those two have been.

LIU has two wins over a 1-7 Sacred Heart team. Sacred Heart's 1 win? LIU. The Hobart one was legit but uhh...not working with much there.

Richmond is basically a mid-major Hopkins. Tons of media attention, lots of love from folks in lax media, and always losing big games to these ACC schools they schedule. 2 of their 3 wins are VMI and Bellarmine.

Delaware, Vermont, Hofstra will all be ranked ahead of Hopkins come a few hours I imagine; all were already ranked in the Top 20 this week.

It's really a Top 15 at this stage of the season, and if Hopkins is one of the next 5, so be it.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:48 am

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:16 am

Henpecked wrote: ↑ There will be a lot of hand-wringing about a 6-7 team getting an at-large bid. But it will happen at the cost of maybe a second or third Patriot team getting in. You will see.

There seems to be a lot of present hand-wringing about theoretical future hand-wringing. The Big Ten is only getting one at-large max and it won't be a team that's below .500.

yeah, well, if the chairman of the actual committee hadn't gone on record as saying that he was going to be using criteria that heretofore had been verboten, maybe that wouldn't be the case.

i'll note that by quote he didn't give any license to do that.

so fast forward and things like a coaches poll having 2 teams that probably have no business there to date, and it sure looks like that may provide cover for eye test "keep games close for several quarters" and "b1g was good in the past" = let's talk about it.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:04 pm What if the committee took the BigTen BB tourney performance into consideration with a 1 and 2 gone and another 2 getting blown out by Oregon?

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:51 pm
If the March 22 coaches poll is your judge of where the wind is blowing then you have nothing to worry about. Your at-large field would be 5 ACCs, 1 B1G, 1 BE, and 1 PL. Just outside would be another PL team and UMass should they not secure the CAA title. And then a tier below that, further outside what I'd constitute even being the "bubble," you'd have another PL, a SoCon, a CAA, and THEN, perhaps, a third B1G team.

Dip&Dunk wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:46 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:51 pm
If the March 22 coaches poll is your judge of where the wind is blowing then you have nothing to worry about. Your at-large field would be 5 ACCs, 1 B1G, 1 BE, and 1 PL. Just outside would be another PL team and UMass should they not secure the CAA title. And then a tier below that, further outside what I'd constitute even being the "bubble," you'd have another PL, a SoCon, a CAA, and THEN, perhaps, a third B1G team.

And just how many real coaches do you think actually vote? And this year how many "coaches" give a flip outside of conference? Of all the years to discount the "coaches" poll, this is it.

Make me king for a day, this is the year I expand beyond the "regular suspects". And then backwards justify it as required.