2020 Elections - Trump FIRED

[Typical Lax Dad]

I'm sure someone will provide world class hospital care in, say, rural Kansas or Oklahoma, right? The free market is best, remember?

They damn well used too.

“Used to” is right: https://www.modernhealthcare.com/articl ... of-closure

https://www.centerforhealthjournalism.o ... ecline?amp

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://psmag.com/.amp/news/the-end-of- ... l-hospital

Bleak....

[a fan]

How the hell do you know what would happen if the government wasn't involved.

Is this a serious question? History. Simple history. We already did the minimal government thing. All you have to do is look at America before the Great Depression FDR programs were started.

What did that look like? We had no middle class. We had rich, and we had poor. Factory workers barely scraped by. Middle class arrived post WWII with the GI Bill and all that socialized college. And, of course, Unions.

Did the government subsidize Rockefeller and standard oil? Ford?

Yes.

Where do you think the roads came from that enabled Fords cars and Rockeller's oil?

Just the beginning: Federal Aid Road Act of 1916

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_A ... ct_of_1916

Are you making delicious spirits because the government is subsidizing you?

Yes! I've told you this many times. We started our biz with a Small Business Administration loan. Our parents aren't rich. So, like so many entrepreneurs without rich friends and family, we got a Federally subsidized loan. Paid it back years ago, including all fees and interest. So thank you for that!

Steve Jobs CHANGED THE WORLD and how we function in it! With private investment! And they do their own R&D I think.

Steve Jobs started his business at the Nexus of government spending on computers.

Know where the Nexus of private investment in computing was? Upstate New York. IBM. So why wasn't that area Silicon Valley? Simple. The US Government was throwing money at Stanford for computing. And yep, the Federal government invented the internet.

No internet, and no Federal funding: no Silicon Valley. And Steve Jobs would be selling shoes at your local FootLocker.

[CU77]

What about the working person who spends freely throughout his working life, then injures his back and can't work anymore. No money left. Now what? Does he become a beggar on the street?

No one would deny HELP for the situations you mentioned. A safety net for the helpless

Not a bottomless pocket for the vast number of CLUELESS and lazy created by 4 generations of democrats buying votes..

Ah, so we must decide who is worthy of help and who is clueless and lazy, is that it?

And can you please tell me who decides? Who will appoint the death panels that will tell me whether I am worthy of help, or clueless and lazy?

I really want to know how you think this should work.

[CU77]

No internet, and no Federal funding: no Silicon Valley. And Steve Jobs would be selling shoes at your local FootLocker.

Yep. And let's take a look at google founders Larry Page and Sergei Brin. Quotes from wikipedia, with my comments in brackets:

Page was born on March 26, 1973, in East Lansing, Michigan. .. His father, Carl Victor Page, Sr., earned a PhD in computer science from the University of Michigan [a public, taxpayer supported, university], when the field was being established. ... He was a computer science professor at Michigan State University [salary paid by the taxpayers]. Page graduated from East Lansing High School [a public, taxpayer supported, school] in 1991. Page holds a Bachelor of Science in computer engineering from the University of Michigan [a public, taxpayer supported, school], with honors. … After enrolling in a computer science PhD program at Stanford University …[Stanford is private, but almost certainly Page's tuition and expenses were paid by gubmint grants from one or more of the federal research agencies. Nobody pays to go to grad school in STEM fields, the gubmint pays.]

OK, I'm too lazy to copy Brin's page. He emigrated from Russia at age 6. Another professor-at-a-public-school (UMd) dad. Brin went to public high school and a public college (UMd). Same deal at Stanford.

Without these VAST amounts of public investment, the tech industry would not be in the US, no matter how smart our kids are. Kids are smart everywhere, what they need is a society that gives ALL of them every opportunity to excel. And not be called shiftless and lazy.

[Typical Lax Dad]

No internet, and no Federal funding: no Silicon Valley. And Steve Jobs would be selling shoes at your local FootLocker.

Yep. And let's take a look at google founders Larry Page and Sergei Brin. Quotes from wikipedia, with my comments in brackets:

Page was born on March 26, 1973, in East Lansing, Michigan. .. His father, Carl Victor Page, Sr., earned a PhD in computer science from the University of Michigan [a public, taxpayer supported, university], when the field was being established. ... He was a computer science professor at Michigan State University [salary paid by the taxpayers]. Page graduated from East Lansing High School [a public, taxpayer supported, school] in 1991. Page holds a Bachelor of Science in computer engineering from the University of Michigan [a public, taxpayer supported, school], with honors. … After enrolling in a computer science PhD program at Stanford University …[Stanford is private, but almost certainly Page's tuition and expenses were paid by gubmint grants from one or more of the federal research agencies. Nobody pays to go to grad school in STEM fields, the gubmint pays.]

OK, I'm too lazy to copy Brin's page. He emigrated from Russia at age 6. Another professor-at-a-public-school (UMd) dad. Brin went to public high school and a public college (UMd). Same deal at Stanford.

Without these VAST amounts of public investment, the tech industry would not be in the US, no matter how smart our kids are. Kids are smart everywhere, what they need is a society that gives ALL of them every opportunity to excel. And not be called shiftless and lazy.

Yep.

[cradleandshoot]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... event.html The one candidate the Dems are running who actually makes sense for middle America. He gets booed off stage. You democrats are setting yourself up for failure in 2020 because your hatred for all things trump has made you just as bad as the person you hate so much. Love Trumps hate... what an oxymoron that has turned into... The democrat party should be trying to unify and all they are doing is boxing themselves into a smaller corner. The far left wing is going to lose you this election. Two reasons... you continue to underestimate the Trump supporters and you are convincing yourself that the 20% of independent voters will line up with you. Hickenlooper is a good man with common sense ideas and his own party just threw him under the bus. Democrats... if you can't win over the 20% with a message outside of free healthcare and open borders and eff trump you are in big trouble. I honestly don't have a dog in the fight. If the Dems pull it out hey more power to them. If Trump pulls it out hey more power to him. The only thing I wonder is what candidate is Putin putting his rubbles on? I could see him and Bernie shirtless in the hot tub swilling vodka and telling stories of who loves Karl Marx more...

[a fan]

All one of the Dems need to do is say: "vote for me, and I'll end the trade wars. All of them". That's it. Game over.

Because when they do that, now the World is holding all the cards-----China, EU, Mexico, and now India....will simply wait Trump out.

We'll see how swell Americans think these tariffs are when it finally hits THEIR bottom line, and it's not just farmers and automakers feeling the pain from Trump's stupidity.

And if those countries are smart, they'll offer Trump: nothing. Not even the fee for the gaming license. Because Trump is too much of a small-handed, over compensating moron to back down without getting some pointless chit in return for backing down.

If all those countries wise up and tell Trump to get bent? Bye, bye Trumpy.

[a fan]

What's more, if I were advising the Dems, I'd bring the ambassadors for every country we're fighting a Trade War with, and bring them to debates and other Dem photo ops.

After all, Trump supporters have spent the last 3 years making fun of Russian paranoia, right? Meeting with foreign leaders that have business before the President during an election year is super cool, right??

Right. So call Trump's BS, and turn the tables.

[6ftstick]

now the World is holding all the cards-----China, EU, Mexico, and now India....will simply wait Trump out.

Now I see whose side you're on.

[6ftstick]

How the hell do you know what would happen if the government wasn't involved.

Is this a serious question? History. Simple history. We already did the minimal government thing. All you have to do is look at America before the Great Depression FDR programs were started.

What did that look like? We had no middle class. We had rich, and we had poor. Factory workers barely scraped by. Middle class arrived post WWII with the GI Bill and all that socialized college. And, of course, Unions.

Who were all those unemployed people standing in line for apples and soup? The rich? How were there MILLIONS of people in New York, Chicago, Detroit. What were they doing? How did they live before FDR? There were no government handouts. Maybe they had jobs. Middle Class jobs.

Why were there MILLIONS of immigrants coming here. Just to be poor? My ancestors settled in western Pa. They helped make Carnegie a rich man. But within two generations they're grandchildren were in college becoming lawyers, engineers, doctors, anything they wanted to be. With NO government handouts.

Did the government subsidize Rockefeller and standard oil? Ford?

Yes.

Where do you think the roads came from that enabled Fords cars and Rockeller's oil?

[b]Keep pushing this notion. Infrastructure is what government does. Its why civilizations form. And security for its citizens. Defending the constitution. Not free housing, free food, free healthcare, free tuition—which is now nearly a trillion in annual federal spending. All governments—federal to local— spend 7 Trillion combined annually. [/b]

Just the beginning: Federal Aid Road Act of 1916

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_A ... ct_of_1916

Are you making delicious spirits because the government is subsidizing you?

Yes! I've told you this many times. We started our biz with a Small Business Administration loan. Our parents aren't rich. So, like so many entrepreneurs without rich friends and family, we got a Federally subsidized loan. Paid it back years ago, including all fees and interest. So thank you for that!

Ahh borrowed and paid it back. I think banks do that, too. Far different from sucking and sucking and sucking for multiple generations.With no payback. Just the next generation illiterate and unemployable.

Steve Jobs CHANGED THE WORLD and how we function in it! With private investment! And they do their own R&D I think.

Steve Jobs started his business at the Nexus of government spending on computers.

Neither government nor the business sector used MAC's. Jobs had had 2% of the market—mostly designers, advertising agencies, architects. etc. organizations needing a graphic platform not word or spreadsheets. PC's were the rage. Jobs changed the world with the cellphone.

Know where the Nexus of private investment in computing was? Upstate New York. IBM. So why wasn't that area Silicon Valley? Simple. The US Government was throwing money at Stanford for computing. And yep, the Federal government invented the internet.

No internet, and no Federal funding: no Silicon Valley. And Steve Jobs would be selling shoes at your local FootLocker.

[6ftstick]

What about the working person who spends freely throughout his working life, then injures his back and can't work anymore. No money left. Now what? Does he become a beggar on the street?

No one would deny HELP for the situations you mentioned. A safety net for the helpless

Not a bottomless pocket for the vast number of CLUELESS and lazy created by 4 generations of democrats buying votes..

Ah, so we must decide who is worthy of help and who is clueless and lazy, is that it?

And can you please tell me who decides? Who will appoint the death panels that will tell me whether I am worthy of help, or clueless and lazy?

I really want to know how you think this should work.

So only government aperatchecks can make those decisions. Adults can't figure it out? You should be watching Chernobyl on HBO.

[jhu72]

No. Civilization demands certain participation by all parties. Thats not SOCIALISM. Socialism excludes all but the government.

I don't understand these sentences. Can you rewrite them?

All those folks doing R&D at Hopkins and elsewhere would be employed somewhere. We still need the R&D nest ce pas

Who's going to pay for it? The free market say: nope, no money for that.

Example that I gave you before? Every single drug approved for use by the FDA in a 10 year period ending in (I think) 2017 took Federal funding. All of them.

What does that tell you?

Exactly. Free market, my *ss. No one is going to pay for that R&D. Too much risk, too little reward. So what does American pharma do? It uses taxpayer money that it gets for free, and then keeps every penny of the profits when their taxpayer funded R&D pays off. Sweet deal, right?


Another one I gave you last month: over 60% of all new home loans given last year were paid for by the Federal government---Fannie, Freddie, Dept. of Ag, etc.

Slight correction. NO ONE WILL PAY FOR R(esarch). Every once in a while D(evelopment) will find someone willing to pay for it, if the potential market is huge or the risk really really small. You have not even touched on the most significant roll the government plays in the development of advance technology is that of early adopter customer! The world's largest most successful venture fund, bar none. All other venture funds are jokes compared to the US Federal Government in terms of success rate. It is an imperfect socialist operation, the socialization of risk and the privatization of profit. The socialization of the profit is the natural basis for the universal minimum income.

[jhu72]

now the World is holding all the cards-----China, EU, Mexico, and now India....will simply wait Trump out.

Now I see whose side you're on.

... that is exactly what is happening!

[6ftstick]

now the World is holding all the cards-----China, EU, Mexico, and now India....will simply wait Trump out.

Now I see whose side you're on.

... that is exactly what is happening!

Because folks like you and the MSM are telling them Trump will be gone by 2020. Keep rooting for everyone but the US.

Did you negotiate some of those wonderful trade deals for us.

[jhu72]

All one of the Dems need to do is say: "vote for me, and I'll end the trade wars. All of them". That's it. Game over.

Because when they do that, now the World is holding all the cards-----China, EU, Mexico, and now India....will simply wait Trump out.

We'll see how swell Americans think these tariffs are when it finally hits THEIR bottom line, and it's not just farmers and automakers feeling the pain from Trump's stupidity.

And if those countries are smart, they'll offer Trump: nothing. Not even the fee for the gaming license. Because Trump is too much of a small-handed, over compensating moron to back down without getting some pointless chit in return for backing down.

If all those countries wise up and tell Trump to get bent? Bye, bye Trumpy.

Wish that were true, but it isn't. Trump is not about, never has been, the economy (to first order). Trump supporters, the hardcore base does not care about the economy as you, I and Wall Street understand the economy. IT IS THE SOCIAL ISSUES. It is racism, it is homophobia, it is Xenophobia, it is ("cry baby conservatism" - thanks George Will) evangelism. The complaint about Obama being a socialist - laughable as we both know - was an excuse to make the racism palatable. You more than anyone have made this point over and over - the economy to these people is now great even though the "real economy" has not really changed.

[jhu72]

now the World is holding all the cards-----China, EU, Mexico, and now India....will simply wait Trump out.

Now I see whose side you're on.

... that is exactly what is happening!

Because folks like you and the MSM are telling them Trump will be gone by 2020. Keep rooting for everyone but the US.

Did you negotiate some of those wonderful trade deals for us.

- you are clueless!

[jhu72]

All one of the Dems need to do is say: "vote for me, and I'll end the trade wars. All of them". That's it. Game over.

Because when they do that, now the World is holding all the cards-----China, EU, Mexico, and now India....will simply wait Trump out.

We'll see how swell Americans think these tariffs are when it finally hits THEIR bottom line, and it's not just farmers and automakers feeling the pain from Trump's stupidity.

And if those countries are smart, they'll offer Trump: nothing. Not even the fee for the gaming license. Because Trump is too much of a small-handed, over compensating moron to back down without getting some pointless chit in return for backing down.

If all those countries wise up and tell Trump to get bent? Bye, bye Trumpy.

Wish that were true, but it isn't. Trump is not about, never has been, the economy (to first order). Trump supporters, the hardcore base does not care about the economy as you, I and Wall Street understand the economy. IT IS THE SOCIAL ISSUES. It is racism, it is homophobia, it is Xenophobia, it is ("cry baby conservatism" - thanks George Will) evangelism. The complaint about Obama being a socialist - laughable as we both know - was an excuse to make the racism palatable. You more than anyone have made this point over and over - the economy to these people is now great even though the "real economy" has not really changed.

.. although with the most recent Trump moves on trade that may be changing for the worse - significantly, but that is yet to be seen.

[a fan]

now the World is holding all the cards-----China, EU, Mexico, and now India....will simply wait Trump out.

Now I see whose side you're on.

Oh yeah. I'm rooting to lose. 6ft---all I'm telling you is what is happening.

Come on. I told you exactly, precisely what would happen a year and a half ago when this whole thing started. China would wait Trump out. We have elections. China doesn't. You and your FoxNation buddies don't want to hear that, so you just think Trump has a cape and can fly over buildings.

As I said at the time, it's the Iraq War all over again: it would never, ever, ever cross your mind that we could lose this Trade War. You think America always wins, so in your mind, the risk is worth the reward. You think the reward is coming no matter what. It hasn't occurred to you that there is next to no chance the reward is coming.

China is holding all the cards. What does Chinese leadership care if their citizens suffer for a few months? They don't. Meanwhile, here in the US, what happened within weeks of the start of the war? Trump borrowed $16 Billion from China (among others) to give it to farmers because they can't hack even a few weeks of this trade war. If you're China, and you see that happen....how hard are you laughing at the idea of capitulating to Trump?

You don't get it. But you would if Trump were a Dem. Sorry, mate, but you're blinded by that stupid letter R.

[a fan]

IT IS THE SOCIAL ISSUES. .... it is ("cry baby conservatism" - thanks George Will).

Oh, I agree. The Dems won't get these voters. They'll get those that normally don't vote, but are getting screwed by another year and a half of tariffs. And what I'm really talking about is Mexico. All Mexico has to do is tell Trump to buzz off...call his bluff...and Trump is stupid enough to enact those Draconian tariffs.

He does that? That's it. He's done. Did you see how high those tariffs are?

Long time before next November.....