if you can go thru an article from national review on herd immunity, drops nuggets about cali, chinese travel, other locales:jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:24 pmI had the same thought. I would not call what happened in Cali in those early months as "ravaging". Can easily believe the virus was in the US that early however.calourie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:20 amSeriously not meaning to be contentious, Kra, (with the caveat that my wife out here in Cali has been suspecting for a while that she may have had something similar throughout the month of February) but why, if this widespread infection actually was Covid, hasn't it ravaged the vulnerable population (including myself) here like it has in NY? We spend 6 months a year in Palm Springs, a city with one of the most geriatric and, one would suspect looking around, health challenged populations in the country. Prior to the shutdown, people from the Bay area and LA were coming here in droves. We are now shut down tight as a drum, but if there was an unattended strain of Covid making the rounds before the shutdown it would seem we would have been having our health system overwhelmed weeks ago instead of having the 30 case 5 death scenario going on when I last heard the numbers a day or two ago.kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:48 amAnother awesome post from Doc, showcasing his ability to be completely wrong...yet again!DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:29 pmWith respect to the coronavirus crisis, Gov. Newsom, predictably, handled the crisis with competence in a timely manner. So much so that California is now sending equipment and supplies to other parts of the country.
California, like the more enlightened members of this forum, has to put up with the tragically moronic and deadly choices of Trump and his supporters. We can’t avoid much of that, although this crisis has shown the great threat posed by the stupidity of Trump’s supporters.
Trump and his supporters are indeed like the novel coronavirus ... an existential threat that endangers the nation ... a pathogen that will not simply go away and which must be carefully managed to save lives and the economy.
California is one of the few bright spots in this crisis. If we were to separate from the rest of the nation, we would instantly become one of the great nations of the world. Alas, it is our fate to help save the rest of the nation from Trump and the Party of Stupid.
A little gratitude from the Trump cult would be nice, but that’s probably too much to ask for.
DocBarrister
It appears that California is currently doing “so well” with the Coronavirus because they had likely already gotten it from China...months before and been ravaged by it for mos unknown:
https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... california
It appears the Covid 19 has been here in the US for months.
My son and a few of his lax teammates all had bouts with very nasty upper respitory illnesses from Dec-Feb. Knocking even some of the biggest, strongest, and physically strong kids on their team out for multiple weeks. All tested negative for the flu...
The virus was freewheeling in our community and probably has been here for quite some time,” Dr. Jeff Smith, a physician who is the chief executive of Santa Clara County government, told county leaders in a recent briefing.
How long? A study out of Stanford suggests a dramatic viral surge in February.
But Smith on Friday said data collected by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, local health departments and others suggest it was “a lot longer than we first believed” — most likely since “back in December.”
“This wasn’t recognized because we were having a severe flu season,” Smith said in an interview. “Symptoms are very much like the flu. If you got a mild case of COVID, you didn’t really notice. You didn’t even go to the doctor. The doctor maybe didn’t even do it because they presumed it was the flu.”
Just as New York has strong ties to travelers from Europe, who are believed to have brought the coronavirus there from Italy, the Bay Area is a natural hub for those traveling to and from China.
Anyway, just some food for thought in response to your article, which may well turn out to be correct. Perhaps it was a less virulent strain of the virus that arrived here and established some herd immunity. We aren't going to know until testing is exponentially more available. In the meantime we can only hope that the horrendous infection rate affecting NY, NJ, Michigan and a few other hot spots (some in some very odd out of the way locations) does somehow miraculously abate without cropping up elsewhere. Here is wishing good health to all.
Remember that the Chinese have published a paper that identifies two strains of the virus. One old (ancient) and one new. The older strain is much less lethal than the new. The older strain (less lethal) may very well have been confused with the flu. The point of care test for flu has a 50% false negative and most physicians still diagnose as flu with a negative test if symptoms are consistent. The health departments can probably figure this out if they were seeing a higher number of negatives than one would expect for those being diagnosed with flu. If that is the case, it may very well have been the milder strain of coronavirus. Of course the coming antibody tests will help nail this down.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/ ... -immunity/
many outlets are shouting down the theory right now, we will not know until someone gets in on concentrated local or expansive testing. if it's even accurate.
72, what i've seen about multiple strains has semi-concluded one isn't more lethal than another. they're tracking many of them, but playing catch up. here from mcpaper describing some of it in layman's language. (this may or may not contradict your understanding of what was 1st in china):
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 080571002/
) in possibly November, un beknownest to the medical community.......... blame one person. easier. but show 4