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DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:49 am

seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:39 am

holmes435 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:30 am

CU88 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:17 am

holmes435 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:04 am And there you have it ladies and gentlemen. What are you gonna do about it?

Such an embarrassment.

And this is the best that the r's have to offer us?!?!?

After thinking about it more, I would chalk it up as just his style of distraction politics. It's out there to take the focus off the abysmal economic news.

Yeah, I kind of see it this way too. But the push back should be real and unanimous, across all political lines. Over 150,000 Union soldiers voted by mail in 1864. We send social security number and cards through the mails; credit cards through the mail; check for services and products through the mail; draft registrations, driver's licenses, etc.

And of course there is 3 U.S.C. Section 1: "The electors of the President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice." He is suggesting a violation of federal law, of course.

If the election is close in November, and it could very well be, and he loses ... then Trump may try and find a way to send the election to Congress, where he would almost certainly win (states vote as a single block, so CA and NY and TX get one vote each).

Let’s say Wisconsin is key to a narrow Biden victory. The Republican-controlled state legislature refuses to certify the presidential election vote in that state and refuses to allow their electors to participate in the Electoral College.

Bingo ... entire presidential election goes to the Congress.

DocBarrister

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:04 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:33 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:29 am

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:23 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:19 am

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:14 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:23 am

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:57 am Low-income housing is majority white people, not that you would realize that in your haste to stoke racial divisions.

49% white in low income housing

This is not even "code" for race baiting, it's full on. Well understood, long track record.

This is entirely about fear mongering politics, based on racial fears, not based on what is actually very good policy.

It's very clear that poor people, of whatever race, do far better, with no change to gov't support cost, when relocated to stable, middle and more affluent communities rather than the prior ghettos to which they have previously been limited. So, if we truly wish to improve peoples' lives and opportunities, we need to disaggregate concentrated poverty. This is all the more true for people of color who have been prior redlined for generations. How best to do so is an open policy debate, but not the underlying principle any more.

That fighting this good policy direction hurts poor white people in the process would never be Trump's concern. He's entirely focused on the racial fear. We (white suburbanites) notice people of color joining our community far easier than we do poor whites.

Trump's fear mongering is going to backfire as this is no longer the 20th century and most of those suburbanites Trump has been losing in droves know better. But there will, of course, be those who cheer him on.

You should have a few of the fine folks from Latrobe Homes set up next door to you. C'mon, lead by example MD!! Let us know how you do!

Absolutely.
Lots of those families would do SO much better disaggregated, not trapped in those conditions crammed together in poverty and violence from the drug trade.

That's exactly the sort of public housing that needs to go.

So instead of haranguing the perfectly fine folks of Fanlax who prefer a safe home environment, go downtown today, demand that some residents of Latrobe set up next to Gilman School, and lead by example!

Do you imagine that I'm not in favor of housing credits being able to used in any jurisdiction, with no discrimination by a landlord for the source of such income???

As to Gilman's neighborhood, which until very recently was deeply segregated by redlining, both religiously and racially, I'm quite comfortable with the increased integration that has occurred and hopefully more with time. And heck, the best public elementary school in the City of Baltimore, quite racially and socio-economically mixed, is less than 200 yards south of Gilman on Roland Avenue. A family relocated to that neighborhood would indeed have an excellent chance of thriving. That's the whole point.

Would it hurt you if you learned that those nice persons of color actually don't want to live near you?

https://www.philadelphiafed.org/-/media ... nities.pdf

Again with no reading comprehension.
Your link actually debunks the 'self-segregation' hypothesis, not confirms it.

CONCLUSION
The self-segregationhypothesis suggests that the persistence of racial segregation of African Americans results from preferences to live together based on positive feelings. If these preferences are important, the signifi- cance of racially separated neighbor- hoods would be less bothersome and the case for policy intervention much weaker. Researchers have examined the idea from numerous angles using different techniques and data sets. The evidence provided suggests that self-segregation, especially for positive reasons, helps little in understanding racial housing segregation. The sources appear to lie elsewhere, and unfortunately, the other possibilities can be far from benign. These include ongoing discrimination in real estate markets and racial stereotyping (see Yinger’s 1998 study). Forty years after the civil rights movement, it appears that much work remains to be done.

However, No, my feelings wouldn't be hurt if someone from a minority group didn't want to live near me or people like me. But that's not what has driven this concentration of poverty along racial lines, a desire to live with people of the same skin color. Or who go to the same church, etc.

We do see the latter effect (church, synagogue, mosque etc) in particular being a driver of people's neighborhood choices to some degree, but that's been ameliorated greatly by mobility. Less so those who need to walk on a Saturday or who can't afford a car.

That said, it's really hard to be one of the only people who are observed as 'different' from those around them. There needs to be enough diversity for it to become normal for the mix of people in the store, at the barber, in the church, in the school to include a mix that is not isolating for the minority...but that's also a factor of how welcoming each of those environments is as well as the observable diversity. It requires some effort at first.

I was recently a guest of my mom at a country club I grew up and was member of for decades as an adult but ultimately resigned from this past decade. We were outside, masked except when eating, pretty well handled safely, saw a lot of friends. She asked whether we'd like to go again. I said no. Well, there were about 10 servers all black, and one white boss, with every single person being served being white. Stark. Yes, we had managed to convince the club to open up to black members in the late '90's and took a lot of grief for it. And the club does have a couple of families two decades later, but that's it. Why? The response I'd gotten was there weren't blacks wealthy enough to afford it... Did I want the servers to be white and the black servers to be out of a job??

No, I want less a-holes who don't notice that there's something really wrong about no black guests, no black members, and all black servers...

I'm just not willing to contribute economically to the club any more. Fed up.

holmes435 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:04 am And there you have it ladies and gentlemen. What are you gonna do about it?

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:10 pm If there's no winner in the Electoral College, the President is elected by the House, and the VP is elected by the Senate.
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Likely to be easy win for the Dems in the House.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:42 pm In Florida, if you have lived here long enough, you will know (we all do) that the only cleaners you should ever hire for your house are of Columbian heritage. Columbian women are notoriously fastidious in the cleanliness department, incredibly honest, and always reliable. What would you have me do? Should I hire someone who is less capable for the same money?

CU77 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:10 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:42 pm In Florida, if you have lived here long enough, you will know (we all do) that the only cleaners you should ever hire for your house are of Columbian heritage. Columbian women are notoriously fastidious in the cleanliness department, incredibly honest, and always reliable. What would you have me do? Should I hire someone who is less capable for the same money?

Thank you for proving with your own words that you are a racist.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:26 pm It’s “racist” to hire someone based on skill, honesty, and reliability.

CU77 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:45 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:26 pm It’s “racist” to hire someone based on skill, honesty, and reliability.

That's not what you said. You said that you would hire based on NATIONAL HERITAGE, because people of a particular national heritage were skilled, honest, and reliable.

This might come as a shock to you, but I’ve heard black people are decent at hoops too.

This might come as a shock to you, but I’ve heard black people are decent at hoops too.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:29 am
Do you imagine that I'm not in favor of housing credits being able to used in any jurisdiction, with no discrimination by a landlord for the source of such income???

As to Gilman's neighborhood, which until very recently was deeply segregated by redlining, both religiously and racially, I'm quite comfortable with the increased integration that has occurred and hopefully more with time. And heck, the best public elementary school in the City of Baltimore, quite racially and socio-economically mixed, is less than 200 yards south of Gilman on Roland Avenue. A family relocated to that neighborhood would indeed have an excellent chance of thriving. That's the whole point.

And Gilman provides 100% scholarships for kids of need who show promise.

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:12 pm

This might come as a shock to you, but I’ve heard black people are decent at hoops too.

Yup, this is racist. And, for the record, there's nothing cute about this.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:59 pm This might come as a shock to you, but I’ve heard black people are decent at hoops too.

Guess I’m a racist. Darn common sense.

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:26 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:29 am
Do you imagine that I'm not in favor of housing credits being able to used in any jurisdiction, with no discrimination by a landlord for the source of such income???

As to Gilman's neighborhood, which until very recently was deeply segregated by redlining, both religiously and racially, I'm quite comfortable with the increased integration that has occurred and hopefully more with time. And heck, the best public elementary school in the City of Baltimore, quite racially and socio-economically mixed, is less than 200 yards south of Gilman on Roland Avenue. A family relocated to that neighborhood would indeed have an excellent chance of thriving. That's the whole point.

And Gilman provides 100% scholarships for kids of need who show promise.

The best in ALL of Baltimore City? You don't say!



Where do those kids who move in to that elementary/middle school's district go to h/s?

Roland Park, Lake Ave and the surrounds aren't sending their kids to Poly or City.

CU77 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:08 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:10 pm If there's no winner in the Electoral College, the President is elected by the House, and the VP is elected by the Senate.
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Likely to be easy win for the Dems in the House.

The voting in the House is by STATE. Each STATE gets ONE VOTE.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... on/608989/

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:10 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:26 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:29 am
Do you imagine that I'm not in favor of housing credits being able to used in any jurisdiction, with no discrimination by a landlord for the source of such income???

As to Gilman's neighborhood, which until very recently was deeply segregated by redlining, both religiously and racially, I'm quite comfortable with the increased integration that has occurred and hopefully more with time. And heck, the best public elementary school in the City of Baltimore, quite racially and socio-economically mixed, is less than 200 yards south of Gilman on Roland Avenue. A family relocated to that neighborhood would indeed have an excellent chance of thriving. That's the whole point.

And Gilman provides 100% scholarships for kids of need who show promise.

The best in ALL of Baltimore City? You don't say!



Where do those kids who move in to that elementary/middle school's district go to h/s?

Roland Park, Lake Ave and the surrounds aren't sending their kids to Poly or City.

Kram,
Which public elementary school in Baltimore City would you say is better than Roland Park Public?
I'm happy to be corrected, but that's my understanding. Perhaps I should have said 'one of the best'??
And it's quite mixed, socioeconomically, racially, and religiously. About 1/3 white, 1/3 black, 1/3 other (asian, hispanic, etc)

But feel free to share which ones would be better than Roland Park Public...

If you increased the aperture, in Baltimore County alone (where we are), there would likely be 4 public elementary schools which would likely be considered even better. I recall when we had a neighbor move from California who had been an elementary school teacher there, her husband a professor at Stanford, now Hopkins. She focused on where to live based upon the elementary schools for their kids and chose Ft. Garrison area (Stevenson) for that reason. She said that there were 4 schools in our county that were superior to ANY, private or public, in all of California...whether that's 100% correct, I dunno, but she was very serious about it.

Back to the point, are you questioning whether a family and its kids would likely do better in that community than stuck at Latrobe ??

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:42 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:04 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:33 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:29 am

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:23 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:19 am

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:14 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:23 am

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:57 am Low-income housing is majority white people, not that you would realize that in your haste to stoke racial divisions.

49% white in low income housing

This is not even "code" for race baiting, it's full on. Well understood, long track record.

This is entirely about fear mongering politics, based on racial fears, not based on what is actually very good policy.

It's very clear that poor people, of whatever race, do far better, with no change to gov't support cost, when relocated to stable, middle and more affluent communities rather than the prior ghettos to which they have previously been limited. So, if we truly wish to improve peoples' lives and opportunities, we need to disaggregate concentrated poverty. This is all the more true for people of color who have been prior redlined for generations. How best to do so is an open policy debate, but not the underlying principle any more.

That fighting this good policy direction hurts poor white people in the process would never be Trump's concern. He's entirely focused on the racial fear. We (white suburbanites) notice people of color joining our community far easier than we do poor whites.

Trump's fear mongering is going to backfire as this is no longer the 20th century and most of those suburbanites Trump has been losing in droves know better. But there will, of course, be those who cheer him on.

You should have a few of the fine folks from Latrobe Homes set up next door to you. C'mon, lead by example MD!! Let us know how you do!

Absolutely.
Lots of those families would do SO much better disaggregated, not trapped in those conditions crammed together in poverty and violence from the drug trade.

That's exactly the sort of public housing that needs to go.

So instead of haranguing the perfectly fine folks of Fanlax who prefer a safe home environment, go downtown today, demand that some residents of Latrobe set up next to Gilman School, and lead by example!

Do you imagine that I'm not in favor of housing credits being able to used in any jurisdiction, with no discrimination by a landlord for the source of such income???

As to Gilman's neighborhood, which until very recently was deeply segregated by redlining, both religiously and racially, I'm quite comfortable with the increased integration that has occurred and hopefully more with time. And heck, the best public elementary school in the City of Baltimore, quite racially and socio-economically mixed, is less than 200 yards south of Gilman on Roland Avenue. A family relocated to that neighborhood would indeed have an excellent chance of thriving. That's the whole point.

Would it hurt you if you learned that those nice persons of color actually don't want to live near you?

https://www.philadelphiafed.org/-/media ... nities.pdf

Again with no reading comprehension.
Your link actually debunks the 'self-segregation' hypothesis, not confirms it.

CONCLUSION
The self-segregationhypothesis suggests that the persistence of racial segregation of African Americans results from preferences to live together based on positive feelings. If these preferences are important, the signifi- cance of racially separated neighbor- hoods would be less bothersome and the case for policy intervention much weaker. Researchers have examined the idea from numerous angles using different techniques and data sets. The evidence provided suggests that self-segregation, especially for positive reasons, helps little in understanding racial housing segregation. The sources appear to lie elsewhere, and unfortunately, the other possibilities can be far from benign. These include ongoing discrimination in real estate markets and racial stereotyping (see Yinger’s 1998 study). Forty years after the civil rights movement, it appears that much work remains to be done.

However, No, my feelings wouldn't be hurt if someone from a minority group didn't want to live near me or people like me. But that's not what has driven this concentration of poverty along racial lines, a desire to live with people of the same skin color. Or who go to the same church, etc.

We do see the latter effect (church, synagogue, mosque etc) in particular being a driver of people's neighborhood choices to some degree, but that's been ameliorated greatly by mobility. Less so those who need to walk on a Saturday or who can't afford a car.

That said, it's really hard to be one of the only people who are observed as 'different' from those around them. There needs to be enough diversity for it to become normal for the mix of people in the store, at the barber, in the church, in the school to include a mix that is not isolating for the minority...but that's also a factor of how welcoming each of those environments is as well as the observable diversity. It requires some effort at first.

I was recently a guest of my mom at a country club I grew up and was member of for decades as an adult but ultimately resigned from this past decade. We were outside, masked except when eating, pretty well handled safely, saw a lot of friends. She asked whether we'd like to go again. I said no. Well, there were about 10 servers all black, and one white boss, with every single person being served being white. Stark. Yes, we had managed to convince the club to open up to black members in the late '90's and took a lot of grief for it. And the club does have a couple of families two decades later, but that's it. Why? The response I'd gotten was there weren't blacks wealthy enough to afford it... Did I want the servers to be white and the black servers to be out of a job??

No, I want less a-holes who don't notice that there's something really wrong about no black guests, no black members, and all black servers...

I'm just not willing to contribute economically to the club any more. Fed up.

I like this post.

Country clubs are fraught with all sorts of people one does not care to affiliated with, but such is the price of privacy sometimes.

But, more to the issue, I'd like for you to look at the country club situation from a slightly different perspective. Are those servers grateful to have a job? Are they paid well? Do they get benefits not generally available to people with their same skill sets? Are they content? Do they consider themselves less than their members? Should you judge them in the light of the server's needs or your former club member's a-holishness?

In Florida, if you have lived here long enough, you will know (we all do) that the only cleaners you should ever hire for your house are of Columbian heritage. Columbian women are notoriously fastidious in the cleanliness department, incredibly honest, and always reliable. What would you have me do? Should I hire someone who is less capable for the same money?

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:19 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:10 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:26 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:29 am
Do you imagine that I'm not in favor of housing credits being able to used in any jurisdiction, with no discrimination by a landlord for the source of such income???

As to Gilman's neighborhood, which until very recently was deeply segregated by redlining, both religiously and racially, I'm quite comfortable with the increased integration that has occurred and hopefully more with time. And heck, the best public elementary school in the City of Baltimore, quite racially and socio-economically mixed, is less than 200 yards south of Gilman on Roland Avenue. A family relocated to that neighborhood would indeed have an excellent chance of thriving. That's the whole point.

And Gilman provides 100% scholarships for kids of need who show promise.

The best in ALL of Baltimore City? You don't say!



Where do those kids who move in to that elementary/middle school's district go to h/s?

Roland Park, Lake Ave and the surrounds aren't sending their kids to Poly or City.

Kram,
Which public elementary school in Baltimore City would you say is better than Roland Park Public?
I'm happy to be corrected, but that's my understanding. Perhaps I should have said 'one of the best'??
And it's quite mixed, socioeconomically, racially, and religiously. About 1/3 white, 1/3 black, 1/3 other (asian, hispanic, etc)

But feel free to share which ones would be better than Roland Park Public...

If you increased the aperture, in Baltimore County alone (where we are), there would likely be 4 public elementary schools which would likely be considered even better. I recall when we had a neighbor move from California who had been an elementary school teacher there, her husband a professor at Stanford, now Hopkins. She focused on where to live based upon the elementary schools for their kids and chose Ft. Garrison area (Stevenson) for that reason. She said that there were 4 schools in our county that were superior to ANY, private or public, in all of California...whether that's 100% correct, I dunno, but she was very serious about it.

Back to the point, are you questioning whether a family and its kids would likely do better in that community than stuck at Latrobe ??

I'm saying RPES/MS is absolutely the best school in the city.
My brother in law was hell bent on buying in the City. He ultimately decided to build a home in Cedar Croft a few years ago. Loved the old houses all around and tree lined streets, but hadn't thought out the schooling part. Shortly after building, here comes their first kid...
ES and MS is just fine at RPES/MS... H/S not at all. Now the scramble to start socking it away because public h/s is "not an option." His words, not mine. And this is a guy who aligns much closer to dislaxxic, than me, politically.