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Peter Brown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:27 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:21 am
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:06 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 8:59 am ... what was the punishment that Kathy Griffin payed for her Trump cartoon?? :roll:


I watched the anime cartoon, twice, because no one can even understand it. I’m absolutely sure you nor seacoaster have watched it…but you do take your cues from lib media.

No one and I mean absolutely no one can see where Biden’s face or AOC’s face is. The cartoon is unintelligent, putting it kindly. Anime fans are basically teens in Japan with no life. The cartoon is a painful 120 second mess of nothing.

No one took anything away from the cartoon, and the lib media of course blew it out of proportion. Which you guys lap up.

Turn the page.
... It is easy to see. Biden's head is a 2-3 second hold. So as usual, you lie -- I know you can't help yourself.

Your excuse for why this should be ignored (and not Griffin's) is the poor artistic quality of Gosar's work. :lol:

I will grant you it is pretty lame. The real question is why is Gosar's party not holding him accountable?? Oh, I forgot, inferior artistic quality. :roll:



I think Gosar is somewhat insane tbh. I’ll take him over any leftist, obviously, because at least with Gosar we know he loves America. But you are incorrect on your DNC talking point. I watched it twice and I could not see Biden nor AOC. If you do see either, you’re trying really hard to do so.

And yes, the entire cartoon is unwatchable…just a painfully boring mess of nothing.
... so you and your party are OK with an obviously insane person making decisions in congress. You and your party seem to have a number of those.

There is no way to watch it once, let alone TWICE and not catch the Biden floating head. :roll:
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jhu72 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:34 am
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:27 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:21 am
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:06 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 8:59 am ... what was the punishment that Kathy Griffin payed for her Trump cartoon?? :roll:


I watched the anime cartoon, twice, because no one can even understand it. I’m absolutely sure you nor seacoaster have watched it…but you do take your cues from lib media.

No one and I mean absolutely no one can see where Biden’s face or AOC’s face is. The cartoon is unintelligent, putting it kindly. Anime fans are basically teens in Japan with no life. The cartoon is a painful 120 second mess of nothing.

No one took anything away from the cartoon, and the lib media of course blew it out of proportion. Which you guys lap up.

Turn the page.
... It is easy to see. Biden's head is a 2-3 second hold. So as usual, you lie -- I know you can't help yourself.

Your excuse for why this should be ignored (and not Griffin's) is the poor artistic quality of Gosar's work. :lol:

I will grant you it is pretty lame. The real question is why is Gosar's party not holding him accountable?? Oh, I forgot, inferior artistic quality. :roll:
I think Gosar is somewhat insane tbh. I’ll take him over any leftist, obviously, because at least with Gosar we know he loves America. But you are incorrect on your DNC talking point. I watched it twice and I could not see Biden nor AOC. If you do see either, you’re trying really hard to do so.

And yes, the entire cartoon is unwatchable…just a painfully boring mess of nothing.
... so you and your party are OK with an obviously insane person making decisions in congress. You and your party seem to have a number of those.

There is no way to watch it once, let alone TWICE and not catch the Biden floating head. :roll:


Have you ever heard Rep. Fredrick Wilson? Maxine Waters? Cynthia McKinney? :lol:

In any event, you forget I’m a one issue voter: taxes. Whoever wants to lower my tax burden gets my vote.

Taxes are where the rubber meets the road. Show me your opinion on taxes, and I will know everything else about you.
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Peter Brown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:07 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:34 am
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:27 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:21 am
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:06 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 8:59 am ... what was the punishment that Kathy Griffin payed for her Trump cartoon?? :roll:


I watched the anime cartoon, twice, because no one can even understand it. I’m absolutely sure you nor seacoaster have watched it…but you do take your cues from lib media.

No one and I mean absolutely no one can see where Biden’s face or AOC’s face is. The cartoon is unintelligent, putting it kindly. Anime fans are basically teens in Japan with no life. The cartoon is a painful 120 second mess of nothing.

No one took anything away from the cartoon, and the lib media of course blew it out of proportion. Which you guys lap up.

Turn the page.
... It is easy to see. Biden's head is a 2-3 second hold. So as usual, you lie -- I know you can't help yourself.

Your excuse for why this should be ignored (and not Griffin's) is the poor artistic quality of Gosar's work. :lol:

I will grant you it is pretty lame. The real question is why is Gosar's party not holding him accountable?? Oh, I forgot, inferior artistic quality. :roll:
I think Gosar is somewhat insane tbh. I’ll take him over any leftist, obviously, because at least with Gosar we know he loves America. But you are incorrect on your DNC talking point. I watched it twice and I could not see Biden nor AOC. If you do see either, you’re trying really hard to do so.

And yes, the entire cartoon is unwatchable…just a painfully boring mess of nothing.
... so you and your party are OK with an obviously insane person making decisions in congress. You and your party seem to have a number of those.

There is no way to watch it once, let alone TWICE and not catch the Biden floating head. :roll:


Have you ever heard Rep. Fredrick Wilson? Maxine Waters? Cynthia McKinney? :lol:

In any event, you forget I’m a one issue voter: taxes. Whoever wants to lower my tax burden gets my vote.

Taxes are where the rubber meets the road. Show me your opinion on taxes, and I will know everything else about you.
NO you won't. Because I don't care a lot about money - period. It is very low on my priority list. There are infinitely more interesting things in life.
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More on Republicans, ardently acting out for their Moron:

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... n-threats/

Snippet:

"In Arizona, a stay-at-home dad and part-time Lyft driver told the state’s chief election officer she would hang for treason. In Utah, a youth treatment center staffer warned Colorado’s election chief that he knew where she lived and watched her as she slept.

In Vermont, a man who says he works in construction told workers at the state election office and at Dominion Voting Systems that they were about to die.

“This might be a good time to put a f‑‑‑‑‑‑ pistol in your f‑‑‑‑‑‑ mouth and pull the trigger,” the man shouted at Vermont officials in a thick New England accent last December. “Your days are f‑‑‑‑‑‑ numbered.”

The three had much in common. All described themselves as patriots fighting a conspiracy that robbed Donald Trump of the 2020 election. They are regular consumers of far-right websites that embrace Trump’s stolen-election falsehoods. And none have been charged with a crime by the law enforcement agencies alerted to their threats.

They were among nine people who told Reuters in interviews that they made threats or left other hostile messages to election workers. In all, they are responsible for nearly two dozen harassing communications to six election officials in four states. Seven made threats explicit enough to put a reasonable person in fear of bodily harm or death, the U.S. federal standard for criminal prosecution, according to four legal experts who reviewed their messages at Reuters’ request.

“This might be a good time to put a f‑‑‑‑‑‑ pistol in your f‑‑‑‑‑‑ mouth and pull the trigger ... Your days are f‑‑‑‑‑‑ numbered.”

ANONYMOUS THREAT TO VERMONT ELECTION OFFICIALS

These cases provide a unique perspective into how people with everyday jobs and lives have become radicalized to the point of terrorizing public officials. They are part of a broader campaign of fear waged against frontline workers of American democracy chronicled by Reuters this year. The news organization has documented nearly 800 intimidating messages to election officials in 12 states, including more than 100 that could warrant prosecution, according to legal experts.

The examination of the threats also highlights the paralysis of law enforcement in responding to this extraordinary assault on the nation’s electoral machinery. After Reuters reported the widespread intimidation in June, the U.S. Department of Justice launched a task force to investigate threats against election staff and said it would aggressively pursue such cases. But law enforcement agencies have made almost no arrests and won no convictions.

In many cases, they didn’t investigate. Some messages were too hard to trace, officials said. Other instances were complicated by America’s patchwork of state laws governing criminal threats, which provide varying levels of protection for free speech and make local officials in some states reluctant to prosecute such cases. Adding to the confusion, legal scholars say, the U.S. Supreme Court hasn’t formulated a clear definition of a criminal threat.

For this report, Reuters set out to identify the people behind these attacks on election workers and understand their motivations. Reporters submitted public-records requests and interviewed dozens of election officials in 12 states, obtaining phone numbers and email addresses for two dozen of the threateners.

Reuters was able to interview nine of them. All admitted they were behind the threats or other hostile messages. Eight did so on the record, identifying themselves by name.

In the seven cases that legal scholars said could be prosecuted, law enforcement agencies were alerted by election officials to six of them. The people who made those threats told Reuters they never heard from police.

All nine harassers interviewed by Reuters said they believed they did nothing wrong. Just two expressed regret when told their messages had frightened officials or caused security scares. The seven others were unrepentant, with some saying the election workers deserved the menacing messages.

Ross Miller, a Georgia real-estate investor, warned an official in the Atlanta area that he’d be tarred and feathered, hung or face firing squads unless he addressed voter fraud. In an interview, Miller said he would continue to make such calls “until they do something.” He added: “We can’t have another election until they fix what happened in the last one.”

The harassers expressed beliefs similar to those voiced by rioters who stormed the U.S. Capitol on January 6, trying to block Democrat Joe Biden’s certification as president. Nearly all of the threateners saw the country deteriorating into a war between good and evil – “patriots” against “communists.” They echoed extremist ideas popularized by QAnon, a collective of baseless conspiracy theories that often cast Trump as a savior figure and Democrats as villains. Some said they were preparing for civil war. Six were in their 50s or older; all but two were men.

They are part of a national phenomenon. America’s federal elections are administered by state and local officials. But the threateners are targeting workers far from home: Seven of the nine harassed officials in other states. Some targeted election officials in states where Trump lost by substantial margins, such as Colorado – or even Vermont, where Biden won by 35 percentage points.

“These people firmly believe in the ‘Big Lie’ that the former president legitimately won the election,” said Chris Krebs, who ran the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency at the Department of Homeland Security. Krebs was fired by Trump last year for declaring that the 2020 election had been conducted fairly. By terrorizing election officials, he said, they’re effectively acting as Trump’s “foot soldiers.”

A Trump spokesperson did not respond to requests for comment.

Representative John Sarbanes, a Maryland Democrat, introduced legislation in June to make it a federal crime to intimidate, threaten or harass an election worker. The bill, which has not come up for a vote, followed a Reuters investigation into such threats published the same month.

“I think we’re on a dangerous path,” Sarbanes said last week when told the threats were continuing with little law enforcement intervention. “We want there to be some effective and sustained push back on this kind of harassment.”

You’re “about to get f‑‑‑‑‑‑ popped”

Only one of the nine harassers Reuters interviewed wouldn’t reveal his identity: the man threatening Vermont officials. Before reporters started examining him, law enforcement officials had decided against investigating, as many other agencies have done in similar cases nationwide.

Click to hear voicemail left on Dec. 1, 2020, for Vermont election officials by an anonymous caller.
Listen to the Oct. 17 phone message left for Vermont officials, warning that election workers and two Reuters reporters would get “popped.”
Late last year, between Nov. 22 and Dec. 1, he left three messages with the secretary of state’s office from a number that state police deemed “essentially untraceable,” according to an internal police email obtained through a public-records request. The man identified himself as a Vermont resident in one voicemail.

Police didn’t pursue a case on the grounds that he didn’t threaten a specific person or indicate an imminent plan to act, according to emails and prosecution records. State police never spoke with the caller, according to interviews with state officials, a law enforcement source and a review of internal police emails.

Reuters did.

Reporters connected with him in September on the phone number police called untraceable. In five conversations over four days spanning more than three hours, he acknowledged threatening Vermont officials and described his thinking.

He soon grew agitated, peppering two Reuters reporters with 137 texts and voicemails over the past month, threatening the journalists and describing his election conspiracy theories.

The man telephoned the secretary of state’s office again on Oct. 17 from the same phone number used in the other threats. This time he was more explicit. Addressing state staffers and referring to the two journalists by name, he said he guaranteed that all would soon get “popped.”

“You guys are a bunch of f‑‑‑‑‑‑ clowns, and all you dirty c‑‑‑suckers are about to get f‑‑‑‑‑‑ popped,” he said. “I f‑‑‑‑‑‑ guarantee it.”

The officials referred the voicemail to state police, who again declined to investigate. Agency spokesperson Adam Silverman said in a statement that the message didn’t constitute an “unambiguous reference to gun violence,” adding that the word “popped” – common American slang for “shot” – “is unclear and nonspecific, and could be a reference to someone being arrested.”

Legal experts didn’t see it that way. Fred Schauer, a University of Virginia law professor, said the message likely constituted a criminal threat under federal law by threatening gun violence at specific individuals. “There’s certainly an intent to put people in fear,” Schauer said.

After Reuters asked Vermont officials about the October threat, the Federal Bureau of Investigation began an inquiry into the matter, according to two local law enforcement officials.

The FBI declined to confirm or deny any investigation into that threat and others reported in this story. In a statement, the bureau said it takes such acts seriously, working with other law enforcement agencies “to identify and stop any potential threats to public safety” and “investigate any and all federal violations to the fullest."

‘I’m a patriot’

Many of the harassers have been radicalized by a growing universe of far-right websites and other sources of disinformation about the 2020 election. Like Trump, they bashed mainstream news outlets and cast them as complicit in an elaborate scheme to steal the election.

Jamie Fialkin of Peoria, Arizona, talked of a grand conspiracy of those controlling the media, the banking system and social media companies. “When you have those three things, you can get away with anything – you can tell people, ‘black is white, white is black,’ and people go, ‘OK,’” Fialkin said.

On the surface, nothing about Fialkin’s biography suggests extremism. A former stand-up comedian from Brooklyn, New York, Fialkin said he has a degree in actuarial science, the study of insurance data. In 2017, he self-published a book marketed as a “survival guide” for first-time older parents. The 54-year-old said he spends most days taking care of his two young daughters and driving part-time for Lyft.

At a 2006 comedy show, he poked fun at his “professional bowler” physique, balding head, and inability to play golf. The self-described Orthodox Jew also took aim at Palestinians and described his political views as “a little more to the right.”

Fialkin said in an interview that he’s no longer in a joking mood.

He believes America is headed for civil war. He endorsed Trump’s false claims that millions of fraudulent votes swung the election to Biden. He said he’s convinced that former President Barack Obama, a Democrat, and progressive philanthropist George Soros bought fake ballots from China, another debunked theory promoted by Trump’s allies.

Fialkin blamed one person in particular for Trump’s Arizona loss: Secretary of State Katie Hobbs, the state’s top election official. On June 3, Fialkin called Hobbs’ office and left a message saying she’d hang “from a f‑‑‑‑‑‑ tree.”

“They’re going to hang you for treason, you f‑‑‑‑‑‑ complain,” Fialkin said."
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... lock them up and then sue the sh*t out of them.
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jhu72 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:34 am
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:27 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:21 am
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:06 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 8:59 am ... what was the punishment that Kathy Griffin payed for her Trump cartoon?? :roll:


I watched the anime cartoon, twice, because no one can even understand it. I’m absolutely sure you nor seacoaster have watched it…but you do take your cues from lib media.

No one and I mean absolutely no one can see where Biden’s face or AOC’s face is. The cartoon is unintelligent, putting it kindly. Anime fans are basically teens in Japan with no life. The cartoon is a painful 120 second mess of nothing.

No one took anything away from the cartoon, and the lib media of course blew it out of proportion. Which you guys lap up.

Turn the page.
... It is easy to see. Biden's head is a 2-3 second hold. So as usual, you lie -- I know you can't help yourself.

Your excuse for why this should be ignored (and not Griffin's) is the poor artistic quality of Gosar's work. :lol:

I will grant you it is pretty lame. The real question is why is Gosar's party not holding him accountable?? Oh, I forgot, inferior artistic quality. :roll:



I think Gosar is somewhat insane tbh. I’ll take him over any leftist, obviously, because at least with Gosar we know he loves America. But you are incorrect on your DNC talking point. I watched it twice and I could not see Biden nor AOC. If you do see either, you’re trying really hard to do so.

And yes, the entire cartoon is unwatchable…just a painfully boring mess of nothing.
... so you and your party are OK with an obviously insane person making decisions in congress. You and your party seem to have a number of those.

There is no way to watch it once, let alone TWICE and not catch the Biden floating head. :roll:
But Gosar "loves America" '72.
End of story.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:50 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:34 am
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:27 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:21 am
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:06 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 8:59 am ... what was the punishment that Kathy Griffin payed for her Trump cartoon?? :roll:


I watched the anime cartoon, twice, because no one can even understand it. I’m absolutely sure you nor seacoaster have watched it…but you do take your cues from lib media.

No one and I mean absolutely no one can see where Biden’s face or AOC’s face is. The cartoon is unintelligent, putting it kindly. Anime fans are basically teens in Japan with no life. The cartoon is a painful 120 second mess of nothing.

No one took anything away from the cartoon, and the lib media of course blew it out of proportion. Which you guys lap up.

Turn the page.
... It is easy to see. Biden's head is a 2-3 second hold. So as usual, you lie -- I know you can't help yourself.

Your excuse for why this should be ignored (and not Griffin's) is the poor artistic quality of Gosar's work. :lol:

I will grant you it is pretty lame. The real question is why is Gosar's party not holding him accountable?? Oh, I forgot, inferior artistic quality. :roll:



I think Gosar is somewhat insane tbh. I’ll take him over any leftist, obviously, because at least with Gosar we know he loves America. But you are incorrect on your DNC talking point. I watched it twice and I could not see Biden nor AOC. If you do see either, you’re trying really hard to do so.

And yes, the entire cartoon is unwatchable…just a painfully boring mess of nothing.
... so you and your party are OK with an obviously insane person making decisions in congress. You and your party seem to have a number of those.

There is no way to watch it once, let alone TWICE and not catch the Biden floating head. :roll:
But Gosar "loves America" '72.
End of story.
Even though he's "insane." This is where we are.
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seacoaster wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:55 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:50 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:34 am
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:27 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:21 am
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:06 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 8:59 am ... what was the punishment that Kathy Griffin payed for her Trump cartoon?? :roll:


I watched the anime cartoon, twice, because no one can even understand it. I’m absolutely sure you nor seacoaster have watched it…but you do take your cues from lib media.

No one and I mean absolutely no one can see where Biden’s face or AOC’s face is. The cartoon is unintelligent, putting it kindly. Anime fans are basically teens in Japan with no life. The cartoon is a painful 120 second mess of nothing.

No one took anything away from the cartoon, and the lib media of course blew it out of proportion. Which you guys lap up.

Turn the page.
... It is easy to see. Biden's head is a 2-3 second hold. So as usual, you lie -- I know you can't help yourself.

Your excuse for why this should be ignored (and not Griffin's) is the poor artistic quality of Gosar's work. :lol:

I will grant you it is pretty lame. The real question is why is Gosar's party not holding him accountable?? Oh, I forgot, inferior artistic quality. :roll:



I think Gosar is somewhat insane tbh. I’ll take him over any leftist, obviously, because at least with Gosar we know he loves America. But you are incorrect on your DNC talking point. I watched it twice and I could not see Biden nor AOC. If you do see either, you’re trying really hard to do so.

And yes, the entire cartoon is unwatchable…just a painfully boring mess of nothing.
... so you and your party are OK with an obviously insane person making decisions in congress. You and your party seem to have a number of those.

There is no way to watch it once, let alone TWICE and not catch the Biden floating head. :roll:
But Gosar "loves America" '72.
End of story.
Even though he's "insane." This is where we are.



To be fair, his district might be equally insane; I’m not exactly advocating for the entirety of the House to be made up by lunatics, just that for this guy alone, my reaction is ‘meh’, the Dems have quite a few loons too, Republicans deserve at least equal representation.

And above all else, my guess is this guy (whom I do not know prior to this anime cartoon) is patriotic enough to get a pass from me for a very poor cartoon where I couldn’t even spot the characters that have so enraged our ‘unbiased’ media.
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Nah, the guy actually hates America and put it on paper. He voted to overturn a valid election. Tough to get more un-American than that.
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Huh, I didn't have Big Bird on my "Outrage du Jour" bingo card. But then again, they tried to cr@p all over Mr. Rogers too.
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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 1:48 pm Huh, I didn't have Big Bird on my "Outrage du Jour" bingo card. But then again, they tried to cr@p all over Mr. Rogers too.


Aaron Rodgers can’t have an opinion on his health. He isn’t a doctor.

Anyways, now we go to Big Bird who has a special message for you on vaccines.
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Peter Brown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:10 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 1:48 pm Huh, I didn't have Big Bird on my "Outrage du Jour" bingo card. But then again, they tried to cr@p all over Mr. Rogers too.


Aaron Rodgers can’t have an opinion on his health. He isn’t a doctor.

Anyways, now we go to Big Bird who has a special message for you on vaccines.
He's allowed to have an opinion, and we're allowed to make fun of him for it if it's a stupid one. Especially if it's an opinion that ends up hurting people.

But feel free to take medical advice from Aaron Rogers if you want. Your body, your choice.
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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:21 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:10 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 1:48 pm Huh, I didn't have Big Bird on my "Outrage du Jour" bingo card. But then again, they tried to cr@p all over Mr. Rogers too.
Aaron Rodgers can’t have an opinion on his health. He isn’t a doctor.

Anyways, now we go to Big Bird who has a special message for you on vaccines.
He's allowed to have an opinion, and we're allowed to make fun of him for it if it's a stupid one. Especially if it's an opinion that ends up hurting people.

But feel free to take medical advice from Aaron Rogers if you want. Your body, your choice.



Just for the record, I trust Aaron Rogers far more than an imaginary television show bird. Your body, your choice.
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Peter Brown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:16 pm

Just for the record, I trust Aaron Rogers far more than an imaginary television show bird. Your body, your choice.
Of course you would.

I wouldn't trust either one as a primary source for actual medical advice, I'd seek out actual professionals. But sure, go ahead and trust an athlete who goes to a comedian / reality TV host for medical advice.

Wonder if there is any hard data on who is more often correct, an imaginary television show bird or Joe Rogan. I have a feeling it's definitely one over the other.
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We have really lost our way. Talk about regressive cancel culture? Building a country of incurious comforted morons.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... get-books/

"Perhaps the most infamous quote of the 2021 Virginia governor’s race — and indeed of any 2021 race — belongs to Democrat Terry McAuliffe: “I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

What many people might not have fully processed is that the quote stemmed from a debate about books in schools. Gov.-elect Glenn Youngkin (R) had attacked McAuliffe for, as governor, vetoing a bill to allow parents to opt their children out of reading assignments they deem to be explicit. The impetus was a famous book from Nobel laureate Toni Morrison, “Beloved,” about an enslaved Black woman who kills her 2-year-old daughter to prevent her from being enslaved herself.

While that effort took place years ago, it was rekindled as a political issue at a telling time. Not only are conservatives increasingly targeting school curriculums surrounding race, but there’s also a building and often-related effort to rid school libraries of certain books.

The effort has been varied in the degree of its fervor and the books it has targeted, but one particular episode this week showed just what can happen when it’s taken to its extremes. Shortly after the election result in Virginia, a pair of conservative school board members in the same state proposed not just banning certain books deemed to be sexually explicit, but burning them.

As the Fredericksburg Free-Lance Star reported Tuesday:

Two board members, Courtland representative Rabih Abuismail and Livingston representative Kirk Twigg, said they would like to see the removed books burned.

“I think we should throw those books in a fire,” Abuismail said, and Twigg said he wants to “see the books before we burn them so we can identify within our community that we are eradicating this bad stuff.”
Abuismail reportedly added that allowing one particular book to remain on the shelves even briefly meant the schools “would rather have our kids reading gay pornography than about Christ.”

It’s easy to caricature a particular movement with some of its most extreme promoters. And there is a demonstrated history of efforts to ban books in schools, including by liberals. Such efforts have often involved classics such as “Adventures of Huckleberry Finn,” “To Kill a Mockingbird” and “Of Mice and Men” for their depictions of race and use of racist language more commonly used at the time the books were written. More recently, conservatives have often challenged books teaching kids about LGBTQ issues.

But advocates say what’s happening now is more pronounced.

“What has taken us aback this year is the intensity with which school libraries are under attack,” said Nora Pelizzari, a spokeswoman at the National Coalition Against Censorship.

She added that the apparent coordination of the effort sets it apart: “Particularly when taken in concert with the legislative attempts to control school curricula, this feels like a more overarching attempt to purge schools of materials that people disagree with. It feels different than what we’ve seen in recent years.”

Even as the news broke Tuesday in Virginia, another school board just outside Wichita, announced that it was removing 29 books from circulation. Among them were another Morrison book, “The Bluest Eye,” and writings about racism in America including August Wilson’s Pulitzer Prize-winning play “Fences,” as well as “They Called Themselves the K.K.K.,” a history of the white supremacist group. The books haven’t technically been banned, but rather aren’t available for checking out pending a review.

“At this time, the district is not in a position to know if the books contained on this list meet our educational goals or not,” a school official said in an email.

The day before, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) issued an executive order calling on state education officials to review the books available to students for “pornography and other obscene content.” Abbott indicated before the order that such content needed to be examined and removed if it was found. He reportedly did not specify what the “obscene content” standard for books should be.

Abbott added Wednesday that the Texas Education Agency should report any instances of pornography being made available to minors “for prosecution to the fullest extent of the law.”

The effort builds upon a review launched last month by state Rep. Michael Krause (R), who is running for state attorney general. Krause is targeting books that “contain material that might make students feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress because of their race or sex or convey that a student, by virtue of their race or sex, is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously.”

Krause doesn’t say what he intends to recommend about such books, but he accompanied his inquiry with a list of more than 800 of them, including two Pulitzer Prize winners: “The Confessions of Nat Turner” by William Styron and “Between the World and Me” by Ta-Nehisi Coates.

There has also been an effort by Republicans in Wisconsin not focused on books, but broadly on the use of certain terminology in teaching students. As the Hill’s Reid Wilson reported about the state GOP’s particular effort to ban critical race theory from schools:

[State Rep. Chuck] Wichgers (R), who represents Muskego in the legislature, attached an addendum to his legislation that included a list of “terms and concepts” that would violate the bill if it became law.

Among those words: “Woke,” “whiteness,” “White supremacy,” “structural bias,” “structural racism,” “systemic bias” and “systemic racism.” The bill would also bar “abolitionist teaching,” in a state that sent more than 91,000 soldiers to fight with the Union Army in the Civil War.

The list of barred words or concepts includes “equity,” “inclusivity education,” “multiculturalism” and “patriarchy,” as well as “social justice” and “cultural awareness.”

Back in September, a school district in Pennsylvania reversed a year-long freeze on certain books almost exclusively by or about people of color. A similar thing happened in Katy, Tex., near Houston, where graphic novels about Black children struggling to fit in were removed and quickly reinstated last month. Many such fights have been concentrated in Texas.

There has also been a recent effort by a conservative group in Tennessee to ban books written for young readers about the civil rights struggle. Supporters cite the anti-critical race theory law the state passed earlier this year. And school officials in Virginia Beach recently announced they’d review books, including ones about LGBTQ issues and Morrison’s “The Bluest Eye,” after complaints from school board members.

Indeed, oftentimes the books involved are the same.

As the Los Angeles Times reported this week, such battles are part of a much larger debate over excluding books that has been injected with new intensity amid the anti-critical race theory push and now, apparently, with the demonstrated electoral success of that approach.

The Spotsylvania County, Va., example is an important one to pick out. While the two members floating burning books have aligned with conservatives, the vote was unanimous. It was 6-0 in favor of reviewing the books for sexually explicit content. School officials expressed confidence in their vetting process but acknowledged it’s possible certain books with objectionable content got through that process.

The question, as with critical race theory, is in how wide a net is cast. Sexually explicit content is one thing; targeting books that make students uncomfortable or deal in sensitive but very real subjects like racial discrimination is another.

There is clearly an audience in the conservative movement for more broadly excluding subjects involving the history of racism and how it might impact modern life. And while it’s difficult to capture the targeting of books on a quantitative level nationwide, this is an undersold subplot in the conservative effort to raise concerns about what children might learn in school."
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Peter Brown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:16 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:21 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:10 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 1:48 pm Huh, I didn't have Big Bird on my "Outrage du Jour" bingo card. But then again, they tried to cr@p all over Mr. Rogers too.
Aaron Rodgers can’t have an opinion on his health. He isn’t a doctor.

Anyways, now we go to Big Bird who has a special message for you on vaccines.
He's allowed to have an opinion, and we're allowed to make fun of him for it if it's a stupid one. Especially if it's an opinion that ends up hurting people.

But feel free to take medical advice from Aaron Rogers if you want. Your body, your choice.



Just for the record, I trust Aaron Rogers far more than an imaginary television show bird. Your body, your choice.
... unless you are women in Trumpnista America. :roll:
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Re: Conservative Ideology

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jhu72 wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:42 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:16 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:21 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:10 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 1:48 pm Huh, I didn't have Big Bird on my "Outrage du Jour" bingo card. But then again, they tried to cr@p all over Mr. Rogers too.
Aaron Rodgers can’t have an opinion on his health. He isn’t a doctor.

Anyways, now we go to Big Bird who has a special message for you on vaccines.
He's allowed to have an opinion, and we're allowed to make fun of him for it if it's a stupid one. Especially if it's an opinion that ends up hurting people.

But feel free to take medical advice from Aaron Rogers if you want. Your body, your choice.



Just for the record, I trust Aaron Rogers far more than an imaginary television show bird. Your body, your choice.
... unless you are women in Trumpnista America. :roll:
Yes, I too were surprised that PB is pro abortion.
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Re: Conservative Ideology

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jhu72 wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:42 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:16 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:21 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:10 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 1:48 pm Huh, I didn't have Big Bird on my "Outrage du Jour" bingo card. But then again, they tried to cr@p all over Mr. Rogers too.
Aaron Rodgers can’t have an opinion on his health. He isn’t a doctor.

Anyways, now we go to Big Bird who has a special message for you on vaccines.
He's allowed to have an opinion, and we're allowed to make fun of him for it if it's a stupid one. Especially if it's an opinion that ends up hurting people.

But feel free to take medical advice from Aaron Rogers if you want. Your body, your choice.



Just for the record, I trust Aaron Rogers far more than an imaginary television show bird. Your body, your choice.
... unless you are women in Trumpnista America. :roll:
They get treated like the women in Bone Tomahawk...

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